Abel Beginner Thread: "It takes more than brute strength..."

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  • Angry AbelAngry Abel Joined: Posts: 387
    Honestly I don't know :-/
  • The 5th HorsemanThe 5th Horseman Rushdown Artist Joined: Posts: 408
    fair enough, thank you =)
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  • pillspills Joined: Posts: 294
    okay so just to clarify, what would happen in this situation:

    Abel does step kick dash cancel > Light TT, but my opponent is mashing on crouch tech and has a 3 frame crouching short. Im assuming based off of the properties and frame data, that Abel's TT will get stuffed, correct ? (assuming the opponents crouch tech is in range)

    if the step kick hit, then the TT would WRECK the 3 frame masher.

    If it is blocked, then it would get stuffed. But this is beauty of abel. If you KNOW the bastard is 3 frame normal mashing, You can beat it ease by doing stepkick -> dash in -> normal throw(1 frame window but doable[lol just mash grab] ) or Ex TT
  • splurgendiisplurgendii Every match-up, has a solution! Joined: Posts: 1,221
    edited September 2013
    Are there reasons why most Abel's don't Hk roll after a knock down?

    :hk: Has a key roll in a very small number of match-ups and on the whole it's seldom used for post UKD set-ups.
    The reason being is its obvious animation.

    The visible animation difference between :lk: and :mk: are very similar and hard to differentiate. :hk: Roll on the other hand has a longer, clunkier and a more noticeable appearance.
    If the opponent is aware of where :hk: roll lands after each set up, it will be hard to to confuse them.
    which is bad for us.

    If I'm the opponent and you just TT'd me,
    and I know that a :hk: roll from that point would land you in front of me,
    and you DO a :hk: roll
    I will know firmly that you'll land in front of me thus ruining a piece of your 50/50 game.
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  • Angry AbelAngry Abel Joined: Posts: 387
    Ah I see. Thanks, makes sense.
  • Keran30Keran30 Joined: Posts: 3
    Whats the startup of U2 in AE 2012? I've seen 8f in all frame datas but in AE patch notes it said they was nerfing its startup so i dont know if 8f is updated or not.
  • HFXHFX SMYA Joined: Posts: 4,747
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  • DEK09DEK09 VoRtexKinG Joined: Posts: 1,046
    Im sorry guys, I dont know where to put this and I didnt want to create a new thread in you guys' forum, but I'm looking for some good Abel players to spar with. This character is just the bane of my existence seems like. Anyone interested? Preferably XBL. I play Gouken and if it helps I'm #16 on PSN. I just got a 360 for the better competition and am currently #39 working my way back up. I'm just looking for some Abel players to spar with so I can learn to deal with this character better.

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  • splurgendiisplurgendii Every match-up, has a solution! Joined: Posts: 1,221
    I don't even care if anyone tries to help me, I just wanted to vent my frustrations.
    Abel Rage Thread :)
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  • p0tat0 5aladp0tat0 5alad I like orange. Joined: Posts: 1,278
    My bad, I didn't even know about it and will take my post that way.
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  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    Hey guys, what's a good punish for a whiffed DP after step kick xx cl. hp cancel into CoD xx FADC xx HK roll (dp bait)? Seems like even with a double dash I can't get into position for a punish before the recovery ends. I could always go for another step kick combo, but I dont have the 1F links 100% down. Should I just lk/mk roll and go for a dash xx cr. HP xx FS punish instead? Thx
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  • pillspills Joined: Posts: 294
    Im assuming u mean doing cod first hit fadc into a roll do bait a guy mashing dp during ur combos. If that is what u mean, just do. Light roll~~~

    But yeah, as an abel player; not having stepkick into cl fierce execution should never be an excuse to not do it. As abel it NEEDS to be 100%, or very damn close. Grind it out bro.
  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    I get it about 90% of the time but online it doesn't connect due to minute lag sometimes. I'm working on it :)

    Thx for the help
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  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,963
    As an exercise I've been doing Abel trial 24 over and over again and the cl fierce link is starting to feel alot easier now, I do not plink, so I have to practice it alooooot I legitimately suck at Plinking lol(Still practicing)
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  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    Anyone else having issues with FS after crouching fierce with full meter from the right side of the screen? When I do it from the left, I get FS. If I do it from the right, I get Heartless.
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  • Angry AbelAngry Abel Joined: Posts: 387
    Yeah it happens to me from time to time on training mode. I assume it's an execution problem, though.
  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,963
    Way I do it to get FS more is DF then FB motion, thing is I think Super comes out when the motion is started from down instead of downforward but even then I get Breathless some times when the speed is increased ina real match. Just like sometimes when I input my U1 motion too fast to punish something ill get EX FS lol
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  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    how do I beat Akuma's vortex? I get owned by good Akumas. Seems like when dealing with Akuma, a knockdown = death.
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  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,963
    I've been getting pretty good at guessing when an opponent is going to try to jump away from my step kick pressure once I'm in so I'm mixing in a psychic falling sky sometimes after step kick dash if I see him do it more than once. I've caught few peeps with this lol, though I've guessed wrong a couple times too :p The better players catch on quick and vary up their escape tactics lol. BTW is it possible to cheat using lag in this game? Sometimes I'm fighting a player and I'm watching a slideshow, yet he's doing full combo's on me lol
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  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,963
    how do I beat Akuma's vortex? I get owned by good Akumas. Seems like when dealing with Akuma, a knockdown = death.

    I'm talking out my @ss here because I'm less qualified, but gotta learn to block that stuff, and ex roll if you can(Pray he doesn't catch on to this lol) Other than you have to try as hard as possible not to get knocked down (easier said than done I know) same thing goes for Ibuki which I find even more infuriating online. Now I'll let a better player get down to the specifics. I personally try to Air to Air his high flying shenanigans as much as possible with J Fierce and try to work my way on his BS, but ussually he will find a way to blow me up :p
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  • ecoeco Joined: Posts: 43
    what was the reason for nerfing the recovery of abel normal roll? i am not an abel player but i am trying to understand the character better. thanks
  • MissionSchabernackMissionSchabernack Joined: Posts: 488
    I've been getting pretty good at guessing when an opponent is going to try to jump away from my step kick pressure once I'm in so I'm mixing in a psychic falling sky sometimes after step kick dash if I see him do it more than once. I've caught few peeps with this lol, though I've guessed wrong a couple times too :p The better players catch on quick and vary up their escape tactics lol. BTW is it possible to cheat using lag in this game? Sometimes I'm fighting a player and I'm watching a slideshow, yet he's doing full combo's on me lol

    U dont need to do FS, which is pretty unsafe, but if it works for you, well, go for it.
    After a blocked step kick u are at +1, u can just continue anyway with close fierce, u will beat nearly anything ur opponent is trying, and jumping is one of this things (jumping needs 4 startup frames?).
    I do close fierce most of the times, and I hit a lot of opponents, even if my stepkick was blocked, leading into a full COD FADC combo, even without the 1 frame link in this case ;) .
  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    yeah i wouldnt take the risk with falling sky either. close fierce gets them if they try to jump out.
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  • GenUser!GenUser! Joined: Posts: 2,963
    Yeah I don't do this alot per se but I'll take the risk sometimes lol
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  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    Will meaty crouching strong stuff ex messiah?
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  • MissionSchabernackMissionSchabernack Joined: Posts: 488
    Will meaty crouching strong stuff ex messiah?

    No, ex messiah is a reversal attack with much startup invulnerability, probably one of the best in the game?
  • doubleohdoubleoh Joined: Posts: 261
    kk thx i wasnt sure if the startup invincibility was as significant as other reversals
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  • MetaSkipperMetaSkipper Pikachu used Surf! Joined: Posts: 1,556
    What do I do after a hard knockdown? Everyone online loves wake-up shoryu, and it's clear trying to command throw on wake-up is no wokring.

    What do I do on wake-up for reversals, get-away, get-off-me, etc.

    What are best pokes and confirms?
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  • MissionSchabernackMissionSchabernack Joined: Posts: 488
    What do I do after a hard knockdown? Everyone online loves wake-up shoryu, and it's clear trying to command throw on wake-up is no wokring.

    What do I do on wake-up for reversals, get-away, get-off-me, etc.

    What are best pokes and confirms?

    If he loves to wakeup shoryuken dont press buttons after the roll, just block, or do another roll after a roll to let it whiff and punish hard!!! Until he doesnt do it anymore, that's all you can do. 5 Frame reversals can be safejump easily which is another possibility against sagat, cammy and deejay and co.
    Abel doesnt have get away moves, on wakeup he is kind of a punchingball, you just have to block. Good thing is, Abel cant be safejumped when he has meter, use Ex TT, which is strike invincibel. You can also use EX Cod to absorb the jumping attack and strike him.
    Another thing, which is hard to do, I only to it offline is armor cancelling ex cod into TT, which uses 0! meter, you have to kara cancel the first frame of ex cod into a special or an ultra attack, works really nice and isnt that hard, I can do it consistently offline (But only on wakeup against kind of meaty safejumps or standing meaties).
  • Highlander31Highlander31 Joined: Posts: 81
    How to combo light punch after Step Kick?

    I can do step kick then strong punch but not the other.
  • pandasmshrpandasmshr button smasher Joined: Posts: 246
    you can only combo cr.lp after step kick on counter hit
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  • SoVi3tSoVi3t Behind The Iron Curtain Joined: Posts: 29,170
    how should I be handling my wakeups? I find that the biggest problems I have when playing as Abel is when opponents just hurl pressure at me (never ending blockstun, jumpins while I am waking up). I never seem to know whether I should be blocking, going for a certain AA, or when to properly use TT
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  • pillspills Joined: Posts: 294
    in general, just learn to block, BUT don't get too comfortable Just blocking. Blocking is important to make it a point to your opponent that you won't be opened up free. But if you block too much, you are never gonna be able to start anything. Regardless, if the guy is jumping on Your wakeup, best bet is to block properly and not get knockdown again. If the jump in is badly timed, you can always ex roll out(you can always ex roll out, but if jumpin is timed well, he/she can os a grab). After blocking though, learn to grasp what he wants to do: is he always going for tight string after jumpin, goin for frame traps, etc and do ex moves depending on that. Most of the times though, if you are good enough at blocking and AA, the pressure should stop after a few blocks unless the guy is goin ham.
  • SoVi3tSoVi3t Behind The Iron Curtain Joined: Posts: 29,170
    edited November 2013
    excellent help :)

    Trying to read this entire forum for tips, but still coming up with questions as I go.

    What about when you have a character just neutral jump attacking you on your wakeup? I fought a Cody that would just njFP then either do it again or go for a tick throw. Adon does this to me a lot too :(

    And when should I be selecting U1 rather than U2?

    and another thing I am noticing is U2 doesn't absorb the one hit sometimes. I'll do it to get through a fireball (sometimes when on my wakeup, sometimes when it's come out of their hand, etc), and sometimes I get through, and other times it stuffs me. Que pasa?
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  • pandasmshrpandasmshr button smasher Joined: Posts: 246
    edited November 2013
    If the neutral jump is a timed safe jump to hit meaty you have to block on wakeup. You can attempt to armor cancel TT/EX roll to punish/get out.

    If they safe jump you on your wakeup and do it again you can st.hp to anti air, mp/ex falling sky, cr.mk, ex roll, or just block.

    U1 vs U2 is a subjective choice. U1 is guaranteed damage off a hit confirm and punishes certain characters moves, U2 is not guaranteed and works well as a punisher for certain character moves.

    U2 was nerfed in ver2012, it no longer has armor during the dash animation.
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  • ArkticDarkArkticDark Joined: Posts: 80
    I am having issues plinking. I saw Abel do the forward medium kick into dash into close heavy punch. So i am having trouble plinking the forward medium kick into heavy punch. There seems to be a dash inbetween them. If anybody knows, what are the exact button inputs to make this work???
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  • MissionSchabernackMissionSchabernack Joined: Posts: 488
    f + mk, f, hp (plinked with mp for example)

    if you dont know what plinking is, there are a lot of youtube videos about it
  • starmvrADstarmvrAD Joined: Posts: 2
    Does j.mk -> cr.hp still work? I am having a lot of trouble with this one. I've gotten the cr.hp to connect a few times, but only when I throw out the mk REALLY late. Am I doing something wrong or is that how that combo's supposed to work?
  • splurgendiisplurgendii Every match-up, has a solution! Joined: Posts: 1,221
    edited January 2014
    Cross up mk has only so much hit stun... and Abel's cr.hp having as much start up as it does.. it's not a link one should focus to much on
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  • Dr WDr W Joined: Posts: 89
    does Abel have some kind of guaranteed lvl 3 focus setup on sagat on the corner? ive seen it multiple times now and im thinking its a setup more then a read. anyone confirm?
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