Abel Beginner Thread: "It takes more than brute strength..."

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  • DustlooperDustlooper Jab FADC Joined: Posts: 988
    I have been playing SSFIV for awhile now but I really suck. So I finally decided to actually learn and play. So I picked Abel. I have been able to perform

    his f+mk > dash cancel > s.hp xx fierce CoD and c.mp > LP. COD > FADC > c.Hp > U1 about 1 out of 3 times somtimes more. I believe the s. hp after the dash cancel is a 1 frame link is this correct? My second questions is on the second combo I am working on is the c.hp after the FADC a 1 frame link? also any advice for performing these combos is greatly appreciated.

    HP COD FADC cr.HP is a 2 frame link.
  • Lion_JakLion_Jak Joined: Posts: 1,021
    Although I should probably take this to the other character forum, I was wondering if Abel is a good alt for Juri? I know Juicebox mains Abel alts juri, but what I want to know is as far as matchups go, would Abel really help Juri?
    Bison, and Adon are probably my worst matchups too.

    To get some sort of ball rolling, could people please discuss potential Alts that could help a Juri player all around.
    Wrote this in the Juri character forum and I wanted to ask the same thing to Abel users. Do you think Abel can cover my bad matchups? Apparently Adon is a bad abel matchup so maybe I just need to work harder with Juri in that matchup.
  • HFXHFX forgotten abel Joined: Posts: 4,742
    im not sure what to recommend but i must say Juri is way stronger than most people ive seen here(on srk) make her to be...

    A lot of Juri killing things in Japan right now...

    As for Abel to help bad matchups... Adon is a pretty bad matchup for Abel too.. Bison... depends on who you asks, some will say Bison has a slight edge in this matchup, some will say abel..
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  • Lion_JakLion_Jak Joined: Posts: 1,021
    Yea I'm hoping to be one of those Abel's that finds the bison matchup in my favor lol. But I'm really thinking of keeping at it with Abel cuz he's actually really fun too. At least after I saw myself get a double perfect that's when I knew he was fun lol.
  • ThirtyfourThirtyfour Wait Joined: Posts: 3,805
    What is Step Kick > Foward Dash on block?
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjvsCnWO9Qw
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  • electricelectric Big French Bruiser Joined: Posts: 482
    What is Step Kick > Foward Dash on block?
    +1
  • Mr.NannieMr.Nannie Friends with Kl'rt Joined: Posts: 1,689
    Ok Ive been using Abel of and on since super, and I saw something today Ive never seen while watching some HFX abel matches.

    If im not mistaken, he cancelled the start-up animation of FA into EX Roll.
    Is there some game mechanic that ive not been aware of all this time? I can remember doing double EX Counter hits with Gouken...?

    Anyway id love some insight into this.
    AV by Savaii64
  • ailerusailerus ni hao Joined: Posts: 1,335
    It's armor canceling.

    You input an EX CoD, and you cancel that into another special. (Falling Sky, EX Roll [regular doesn't work], Tornado Throw). The cancel of the EX CoD allows you to get the super armor and it doesn't spend the bar for it. It's been around since vanilla but it's really useful on Abel's wakeup to beat safejump setups.
    "That's what happens when you don't have the master's skill...you know what I mean...your muthafuckin money get taken if you ain't comin wit it."
  • Mr.NannieMr.Nannie Friends with Kl'rt Joined: Posts: 1,689
    wow thank you...

    Ok so that explains all of that stuff ive seen over the years like Balrogs Armor canceling and stuff, Cant believe I never picked up on this

    ive got new technology giddiness
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  • TrickRTreatTrickRTreat Joined: Posts: 28
    First I want to thank everyone for helping me out with previous questions. Now it's time to elevate my game a little more.
    I am running into some problems I can not figure out. First there have been several times were I end a combo with COD normally after c.mp. The c.mp connects the first hit in the COD connects but the second hit and the throw get blocked (I am not using the low finish).

    Also after my roll or f-mk dash cancel (this happens if they are blocking) everytime I try a TT 1 of 3 things happen Abel's hand reaches out and goes over the crouching opponent, his hand goes through a standing opponent with no TT, or I get beat by a normal throw. Also if I use Ex TT I regularly get jabbed o
    ut if it or DPed. This has cost me several matches and I can not figure out what the hell I am doing wrong.

    Also I have no clue about Option select and would like to know where U can begin to start learning (I am not looking for anyone to explain this in this thread just a link please)
  • ailerusailerus ni hao Joined: Posts: 1,335
    here's an easy vid about option selects.
    "That's what happens when you don't have the master's skill...you know what I mean...your muthafuckin money get taken if you ain't comin wit it."
  • Mr.NannieMr.Nannie Friends with Kl'rt Joined: Posts: 1,689
    Just got the cr.Lk os dash TT to work for the first time in battle... I feel like there's magic coursing through my veins

    thanks for the tips
    AV by Savaii64
  • ailerusailerus ni hao Joined: Posts: 1,335
    Just got the cr.Lk os dash TT to work for the first time in battle... I feel like there's magic coursing through my veins

    thanks for the tips

    No problem. I'm not sure if you remember but I played you at a naptown event a couple years back. I think you played Honda. Are you gonna be at NTC2?

    I'll be there, because I'm streaming the tournament. Hope to see you there.
    "That's what happens when you don't have the master's skill...you know what I mean...your muthafuckin money get taken if you ain't comin wit it."
  • deadlotusdeadlotus #hustlebones Joined: Posts: 346
    what am i doing wrong if i go for soulless and I just get abel's air grab?
    2.7.5
    GT: DeadbeatLotus for free wins vs. a scrub in AE, UMVC, SC5, SFxT, KOF13 & Skullgirls.
  • ailerusailerus ni hao Joined: Posts: 1,335
    what am i doing wrong if i go for soulless and I just get abel's air grab?

    You may not be finishing the input correctly (end on holding forward) or you may be not be hitting all three buttons at the same time.
    "That's what happens when you don't have the master's skill...you know what I mean...your muthafuckin money get taken if you ain't comin wit it."
  • splurgendiisplurgendii Every match-up, has a solution! Joined: Posts: 1,221
    what am i doing wrong if i go for soulless and I just get abel's air grab?
    you're doing :qcf::qcf: too fast...
    splurrrr
    "gen" like the character
    Deeeeeeee
  • DustlooperDustlooper Jab FADC Joined: Posts: 988
    what am i doing wrong if i go for soulless and I just get abel's air grab?

    That means you're doing :qcf::d::df::p::f:
  • HFXHFX forgotten abel Joined: Posts: 4,742
    it can be a lot of reasons, go to training mode and practice/check your execution

    if possible get the qcfx2 to come out as clean as possible without unnecessary inputs

    even im still practicing that lol... lately my execution been ass
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  • DustlooperDustlooper Jab FADC Joined: Posts: 988
    it can be a lot of reasons, go to training mode and practice/check your execution

    if possible get the qcfx2 to come out as clean as possible without unnecessary inputs

    even im still practicing that lol... lately my execution been ass

    Play KOF.
  • HFXHFX forgotten abel Joined: Posts: 4,742
    yeah, am tryin to get into KOF

    time is the problem at the moment is all....

    is the srk kof forum sections good for reference?
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  • Ronin1183Ronin1183 Mad Decent Joined: Posts: 534
    I thought my execution was pretty good until I played KOF.

    Try dreamcancel.com
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  • DustlooperDustlooper Jab FADC Joined: Posts: 988
    yeah, am tryin to get into KOF

    time is the problem at the moment is all....

    is the srk kof forum sections good for reference?

    http://orochinagi.com/ is the other big one. But, in reality, SRK's wiki and SRKs boards are probably your best bet.
  • deadlotusdeadlotus #hustlebones Joined: Posts: 346
    That means you're doing :qcf::d::df::p::f:

    this is probably what i'm screwing up on. thanks a bunch
    2.7.5
    GT: DeadbeatLotus for free wins vs. a scrub in AE, UMVC, SC5, SFxT, KOF13 & Skullgirls.
  • afroboiz-xboxafroboiz-xbox Joined: Posts: 2
    alright, so i've been playing street fighter for about a two months now, and abel for one month. I'm not awful, i hang around at about 1200pp and ima rank B(not that that means ****). anyways, i have a few questions for the intelligent people on this thread:
    1) technical means the little blue portal looking thing after two throws right? and reversal srk etc?

    2) I use the technique: after TT dash to lk. roll to face the opponent, mk. roll to cross up. when i do this though, i either cr.fp, TT, sweep, grab, or block. it seems that everything besides block loses to srk, then they fadc and grab. TT and cr.fp also seem to lose to grab, and all but block lose to mash jab. if i use ex TT it wins vs jabs. Is my timing just awful or is this normal, and what should i do on wake up?

    3) how to deal with fireball zoning without Ultra 1. with guile, if i roll through sonic boom i eat a st.fp, or a combo.. what should i do against this zoning?

    4) what can i do vs wake up metsu chip K.O? can you immediately ex roll or ultra 1?

    5) will anyone reply now x tekken is out?
  • HFXHFX forgotten abel Joined: Posts: 4,742
    1. "technical" in sf4 means two things, when you tech throws or when you do a quick wake up after a soft knockdown

    3. walk forward, block, walk forward, get close.

    4. yes you can ex roll or U1, but good players will never do wake up metsu chip, EVER

    5. i replied, but i skipped (2) because im tired lol sorry its super late here already someone else can help with that, the answer is already in this thread i think or the abel complete guide thread..
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  • PremiumJonesPremiumJones Joined: Posts: 2
    For #2. This is a great mixup but you're just doing it too slow. Could be online lag. The easiest way to get the dash into roll to come out fast enough is to buffer dash during the recovery of the Tornado Throw then buffer roll during the dash. The game should make the moves come out on the first possible frame after recovery then. You can test it out in training mode by recording Abel doing this mixup then on playback you try to wake up with jabs or throws or jumps. Your opponent should never be able to throw you or jab you out of this because you're at at least 5 frames of frame advantage. If they do then just roll your eyes knowing that you did the correct move and they did something incredibly stupid but lag saved them.

    Autocorrected reversal DP beats any attack you do on their wakeup but obviously blocking or rolling baiting the DP with another mixup. Before you roll at them check their super meter to see if they have 2 bars. If they do, try to make that DP whiff.

    Check this pdf for all the frame advantage on the roll mixups. It was made like 2 years ago but most if not all of the data is still correct. https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B7S1JTWz7Q_CYzkwNWUxYzktNmY0YS00MzhhLTk5N2MtOGIzMzgzOWYzMjA1&hl=en&authkey=CPnAyIwG

    As for what to do on wakeup. Well, Abel's best option is really to block. I think Abel's a great character to learn SF with because he teaches you how to block everything really well. Other than that you just need to pay attention to how your opponent is attacking you. If you're sure they're safe jumping you can EX TT them(Or Armor Cancel TT/EX roll, but that's advanced stuff). If they do a poorly timed crossup you may be able to close standing fierce them. Backdash/Focus Backdash isn't a bad idea sometimes because you'll probably just get air reset out of it. Just don't EX roll when they're standing at around sweep range because they're probably baiting it and are waiting to throw you.
  • afroboiz-xboxafroboiz-xbox Joined: Posts: 2
    thanks guys, appreciate it. my gameplays improving after looking up frame data etc, thanks. i realized half my problems were me just not blocking correctly. it seems that if i go under 1000pp then i lose to srk spam, but the respectable people of over 1000 don't really do that so i can guess and win usually...
    'Street fighting is all about analysis, prediction and reaction. That's it.'-Abel
  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    Alrighty. New Abel player here and I've got a couple of questions.

    1. Are you required to be able to hitconfirm a dash after tw.MK, if you're going to play on a semi-serious level?
    I've tried hitconfirming, but it seems impossible to me. As soon as I try to react to the hit I'll press forward again, but I'll be too slow and the dash won't come out. Is it humanly possible to react quickly enough? Or are you supposed to condition your opponent about whether or not you're going to dash in?

    2. What is a general timing for landing U1? I usually wait to do the ultra until I see the opponent's body is completely horizontal. Which has worked for me up until now, but I can't say I've used it on more than a couple of characters. Could this be considered a rule of thumb?

    Edit: I also read the following:
    Should you drop Abel if you can't react to step kick hitting or blocking?

    You will be able to do it eventually if you keep practicing...
    Training mode + random block = Good thinking:tup:

    But I wasn't sure if this was referring to dashing after tw.MK or trying to combo tw.MK into BNB.
  • UnholyfoxprostateUnholyfoxprostate Joined: Posts: 76
    Alrighty. New Abel player here and I've got a couple of questions.

    1. Are you required to be able to hitconfirm a dash after tw.MK, if you're going to play on a semi-serious level?
    I've tried hitconfirming, but it seems impossible to me. As soon as I try to react to the hit I'll press forward again, but I'll be too slow and the dash won't come out. Is it humanly possible to react quickly enough? Or are you supposed to condition your opponent about whether or not you're going to dash in?
    I don't usually react I press forward after step kick and if it hits I'm dashing in and if it doesn't I'm not(I think it's a sort of option select/buffer) I will also throw out empty step kicks for the sake of srk baiting etc.

    I wouldn't say if you can't see that step kick has hit to go for shp to drop Abel just work on it, as for the ultra the timing differs for characters but not massively, I do do(>.>) what you said about the horizontal body for pretty much every character though and if you diddnt know in the corner it helps to go for a CoD after the crhp fadc then into ultra as timing is hard in corner and won't even work on most characters I think. Hope this helped :D
    2. What is a general timing for landing U1? I usually wait to do the ultra until I see the opponent's body is completely horizontal. Which has worked for me up until now, but I can't say I've used it on more than a couple of characters. Could this be considered a rule of thumb?

    Edit: I also read the following:


    But I wasn't sure if this was referring to dashing after tw.MK or trying to combo tw.MK into BNB.
  • UnholyfoxprostateUnholyfoxprostate Joined: Posts: 76
    Ah shit fucked up that post sorry.

    (Thanks iPod :/)
  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    No problem. As long as you don't forget to post when you get home! =D

    Edit: I just re-read your quote and I see that you actually answered my questions!

    Yes, it could work as an option-select from a distance I suppose. But when your opponent is already in range, you don't have that luxury.

    Considering the BNB into U1 (in the corner), do you mean that you should do: cr.FP, CoD, U1?
  • Ronin1183Ronin1183 Mad Decent Joined: Posts: 534
    1. I don't think there is enough time to confirm a dash. It's either you do or you don't.

    2. Majority of the cast is the same. Some of them are more floaty. A post is a shitty way to convey the timing. Just training mode the timing for Ryu as a gauge for the majority, Sim for floaty. The juggle is not crazy character specific.
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  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    1. OK. Glad to hear that, because I had the feeling that I would never be able to confirm it.

    2. I can hit Ryu with U1 consistently, so I guess that means I have the timing down for most of the cast. Can't say I've tried it on Sim, so I'll give that a shot next. Thanks for the advice.
  • UnholyfoxprostateUnholyfoxprostate Joined: Posts: 76
    No problem. As long as you don't forget to post when you get home! =D

    Edit: I just re-read your quote and I see that you actually answered my questions!

    Yes, it could work as an option-select from a distance I suppose. But when your opponent is already in range, you don't have that luxury.

    Considering the BNB into U1 (in the corner), do you mean that you should do: cr.FP, CoD, U1?

    Yeh but if its blocked and you dash it doesn't really matter and i cant see this in your original post but when i quoted then it says "Considering the BNB into U1 (in the corner), do you mean that you should do: cr.FP, CoD, U1" and what most Abels will do in the corner to get ultra after crhp is crhp, then CoD FADC the first hit then ultra, it uses two meter so idk prob only useful if you know going to finish off
  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    Oh, that's what you meant! It's situational, but definitely worth knowing. Is there a good way of connecting U1 after his BNB (tw.MK, cs.HP xx CoD, FADC, cr.HP) in the corner (without having to spend 4 meters, haha)?
  • UnholyfoxprostateUnholyfoxprostate Joined: Posts: 76
    Oh, that's what you meant! It's situational, but definitely worth knowing. Is there a good way of connecting U1 after his BNB (tw.MK, cs.HP xx CoD, FADC, cr.HP) in the corner (without having to spend 4 meters, haha)?

    Just crhp ultra in corner does work on some characters, but other than that I don't think so :(

    Prob wouldn't recommend using 4 meters :D
  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    Here is a useful chart I found whilst skimming through the forum, courtesy of HFX.

    https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B7S1JTWz7Q_CMjdmZWMwODgtMmE4Zi00N2JjLTlkYTAtZGM4YTZmMGI4ZTA5/edit?pli=1

    There's some real gold to find in these forums. Definitely worth the time searching.
  • TheBobbieFiascoTheBobbieFiasco An agent of [bfp] Joined: Posts: 146
    Late to the party but this is exactly what I needed. Thanks for this thread.
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  • Diesel2025Diesel2025 Joined: Posts: 8
    I'm a new abel player and am looking for a tutor on the mix-up options for abel after a hard knockdown. Right now my follow up to a hard knockdown is either lk roll to end up in front or mk roll to cross up then tt throw, or crouching lk to st. HP to cod, or cr hp but my crouching hp i can only land after conditioning them to tt throw and regular throw I need some help to go beyond this. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. message me or post with advice. add me on xbl to help.

    GT- Diesel2025
  • deadaciddeadacid I feel like someone threw me away. Joined: Posts: 745
    Alright this is going to sound really bad but, what options does Abel on wake-up. I have heard the Abel pretty much has no options. But there's gotta be something, right... right?
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