Anyone here bought a VEWLIX kit from KRAY?

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  • CharmCharm Joined: Posts: 59
    anybody have adobe photoshop files for kraylix's cab (please)? i just need the movelist portion and the part underneath buttons/stick. i don't know the exact dimensions.
  • kwrigh3kwrigh3 Joined: Posts: 66
    My Kustom Kraylix is COMPLETE! I am very pleased with the build. Check it out! I entered it, into Focus Attack's SnapBack contest.

    https://www.facebook.com/focusattackcom?sk=app_451684954848385&app_data=view-vote,for-687849
  • NalebNaleb Joined: Posts: 50
    my HDD broke, and I lost the .psd template for Kraylix Slim (1player version).
    can someone please share it since im gonna need it someday to refine the art.
    thanks guys.
  • chaoticmicahchaoticmicah Metsu Shoryuken Master! Joined: Posts: 81

    kwrigh3 wrote: »
    My Kustom Kraylix is COMPLETE! I am very pleased with the build. Check it out! I entered it, into Focus Attack's SnapBack contest.

    https://www.facebook.com/focusattackcom?sk=app_451684954848385&app_data=view-vote,for-687849

    To me the one thing left I would add to it are cup holders lol hardly ever see anyone do that
  • PDukePDuke Joined: Posts: 158
    COngrats, Kray! This looks like some pretty good exposure!
    http://www.doublehelixgames.com/rebuilding-the-killer-instinct-arcade-experience/
  • TheButcherjbTheButcherjb Joined: Posts: 69
    I saw that too! Pretty sweet.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    I'm happy to be buying one of these soon.
  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    I want to get one of these, but don't really have the time myself to sand and paint the pieces to a mirror like finish. I read through the thread and some people took these to an autoshop, would they have better knowledge of working with MDF than your typical subcontractors? I'm willing to pay to get it done right, but am afraid they wouldn't do as good a job as Kray did.
  • PDukePDuke Joined: Posts: 158
    Car shops are going to be expensive. I think Macco does a paint job for $500, but i heard it is not great. I would suggest finding a cabinet shop! After all, this is a cabinet! Thats what I did. They work with MDF all the time! I paid $500 and got a stellar job!
  • kwrigh1kwrigh1 I'm NEW! Joined: Posts: 27
    here is my custom Kraylix entered into Focus Attack's contest. Check it out!

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  • KirbyMorphKirbyMorph Joined: Posts: 104
    Just made my payment on my kraylix v4 2 player cab. Cant wait. Anyone know if the buttons, etc listed on krays site are up to date?

    Joystick= 2-Sanwa(JLF-TP-8YT)
    Pushbutton= 16-Sanwa OBSN-30, 2=OBSN-24
    Buttons on side arm= 4-(OBSN-30)
    Buttons underneath the control panel will fit Happs only part# (58-9100-L)
    Acess door=1 Happs part# 40-0713-00 or 40-0057-00
    Speaker= 2-round standard 4inch speaker

    Was going to start ordering everything now that its finally shipping out. Also, that marvel cab above is sick. Going to try to do something similar with Guilty Gear X Blazblue. Working on the artwork at present.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    All that should be accurate. Generally people who make custom sticks or cabs have a certain sized drill bit they use and that bit should fit those buttons.
  • coolspotcoolspot Joined: Posts: 2
    Anyone know when Kray will resume selling painted cabs?
  • StylinGStylinG Joined: Posts: 14
    coolspot wrote: »
    Anyone know when Kray will resume selling painted cabs?
    He stopped?
  • coolspotcoolspot Joined: Posts: 2
    StylinG wrote: »
    coolspot wrote: »
    Anyone know when Kray will resume selling painted cabs?
    He stopped?

    Yeah temporarily ... just when I was going to place a deposit.

    He's only taking orders for non-painted ones.

  • akthamaktham Big Boss Joined: Posts: 461
    Kray is amazing. Don't hesitate to purchase from that man. He's my upgraded setup. I used to have just one cab, now I have 2.

    arcadecabs2_zps9ee677be.jpg
  • ErdrickErdrick Joined: Posts: 3
    After reading 28 pages of this, i pulled the trigger and made deposits (payments) on V4 Cabinet. Just so stunning and beautiful.

    Looking forward to building mine to dedicate it just for the New KI. Thank you all for the awesome Pics on your beautiful cabinets.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    Yup going to turn one of my Kraylix to Xbox one for KI
  • ErdrickErdrick Joined: Posts: 3
    rcaido wrote: »
    Yup going to turn one of my Kraylix to Xbox one for KI

    Awesome man! Thank you for doing so. THis game is so epic it deserves to be played in a Kraylix.

    Do you have any plans on how to make the Marquee?? I'm trying to find one that looks just like the DH Dev team one they have on their machine. But don't know how or where to get one. Maybe Have gameongrafix make me one.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    im just going to keep it as is, took me months to finish it, not going to redo it all haha, just going fix the controls
  • ErdrickErdrick Joined: Posts: 3
    I hear you man. I don't blame you, its bad ass how it is.
  • mrtraitormrtraitor Joined: Posts: 28
    edited August 2013
    Off topic I guess
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  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    edited August 2013
    This has nothing to do with Kraylix cabs, delete your post & create a new thread. Seems decent alternative but this is for Kraylix only.
  • PDukePDuke Joined: Posts: 158
    I am hoping against hope that I will be able to upgrade my PS360 pcbs for next gen systems
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,391
    PDuke wrote: »
    I am hoping against hope that I will be able to upgrade my PS360 pcbs for next gen systems
    Do not hold your breath. It was years before someone crack the encryption for the Xbox 360 controllers. The PS4 and Xbone might be even tougher.

    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    What're you guys using for PCBs for your setups? I was thinking about buying a couple of BrawlSticks and then stripping the PCBs out of them. I'd rather not solder (no time and don't want to mess it up) so this seems like the easiest way for me.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    For my 2slims, i used the PS360+ & my 2player karylix i was using Madcatz SE PCB pads, about to replace them once the Madcatz sells the Xbox One sticks....
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    edited September 2013
    Thanks!

    Are OBSNs required or can I use OBSFs?

    Also, what's the preferred TV for these things? Displaylag.com shows the Samsung UN32EH4003 as having the lowest lag of 32" monitors tested, but it's still double the Evo monitor. I'd prefer something closer to the Evo monitor if at all possible. (Edit: Reread the last page; apparently people like this monitor for the cabinet. I still wish there was something with less lag.)

    Also, what's up with the Suzo Happ website not showing shipping estimates and forcing you to choose a shipping service? I have no idea which one I want because I don't know how much each costs... (Edit: Just ended up buying a coin door and the four "Happ" (probably fake Happ) buttons from this ebay seller since I didn't want to deal with shipping from Happ: http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ipg=200&item=360127648947&_ssn=twistedquarter&_sop=15).
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  • blackraenblackraen Joined: Posts: 229
    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Are OBSNs required or can I use OBSFs?

    Panel is too thick for the snaps to actually flip out and secure -- they'll work though but they won't be totally secure and it's possible that eventually they'll loosen to the point where they can rotate in the socket (tabs will slowly stop pushing out against the socket walls). Not really a problem, but screw-ins are a better choice.
    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Also, what's the preferred TV for these things? Displaylag.com shows the Samsung UN32EH4003 as having the lowest lag of 32" monitors tested, but it's still double the Evo monitor.

    The delay difference isn't noticeable unless you're going to setup an oscilloscope or some other exacting measurement tool. Samsung's "Game" mode is pretty decent at reducing lag levels. You're not going to find Evo monitor lag levels in a 32" TV.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    blackraen wrote: »
    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Are OBSNs required or can I use OBSFs?

    Panel is too thick for the snaps to actually flip out and secure -- they'll work though but they won't be totally secure and it's possible that eventually they'll loosen to the point where they can rotate in the socket (tabs will slowly stop pushing out against the socket walls). Not really a problem, but screw-ins are a better choice.
    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Also, what's the preferred TV for these things? Displaylag.com shows the Samsung UN32EH4003 as having the lowest lag of 32" monitors tested, but it's still double the Evo monitor.

    The delay difference isn't noticeable unless you're going to setup an oscilloscope or some other exacting measurement tool. Samsung's "Game" mode is pretty decent at reducing lag levels. You're not going to find Evo monitor lag levels in a 32" TV.

    Thanks for the info. The main reason why I'm concerned is because I want all white buttons and I can't find white 24mm OBSNs on focusattack.com.

    As for the lag levels in a 32" monitor- I was glancing at this thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/145141/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database/p1) and it seemed to suggest there were a couple of 32" TVs with Evo-monitor like lag. Not sure how reliable those results are though so didn't know if I'd be better off with the Samsung listed on displaylag or the monitors in the SRK thread.
  • blackraenblackraen Joined: Posts: 229
    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Thanks for the info. The main reason why I'm concerned is because I want all white buttons and I can't find white 24mm OBSNs on focusattack.com.

    As for the lag levels in a 32" monitor- I was glancing at this thread (http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/145141/sub-1-frame-hdtv-monitor-input-lag-database/p1) and it seemed to suggest there were a couple of 32" TVs with Evo-monitor like lag. Not sure how reliable those results are though so didn't know if I'd be better off with the Samsung listed on displaylag or the monitors in the SRK thread.

    Yeah you could definitely get by using obsf 24s in the start button holes, especially since they won't get a lot of action. Worst case they loosen up after a year or so and kind of try to fall out when you flip the panel up, not a big deal.

    On the TV side, probably best to keep that discussion under the input lag thread.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    Awesome. Thanks for your help. I'll grab some OBSFs for the 24mm holes.
  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    I finally picked a used one and have it setup with an Xbox - even with the panny LCD in game mode (which feels no different from standard mode, TBH) it still feels slower side by side with the Evo setup, unfortunately. I'm not sure there's much more I can do to reduce it.

    I'm using the Xbox DVI cables, as I've heard those are less laggy than HDMI. I don't have an HDMI cable to set it though, so I am not positive.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    I finally picked a used one and have it setup with an Xbox - even with the panny LCD in game mode (which feels no different from standard mode, TBH) it still feels slower side by side with the Evo setup, unfortunately. I'm not sure there's much more I can do to reduce it.

    I'm using the Xbox DVI cables, as I've heard those are less laggy than HDMI. I don't have an HDMI cable to set it though, so I am not positive.
    What TV are you using? The Panasonic in the sub 1 frame thread? "Panasonic TC-L32X1 - 8-9ms input lag 32" 720p"?
  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    Yep, that's the one. It's not terrible lag, but definitely noticeable if you're attuned to it.
  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    Yep, that's the one. It's not terrible lag, but definitely noticeable if you're attuned to it.

    Im going to call bullshit on that. Its not possible to detect 8-9ms input lag. You might have a different Panasonic LCD.

    SmokeMaxX wrote: »
    Also, what's the preferred TV for these things? Displaylag.com shows the Samsung UN32EH4003 as having the lowest lag of 32" monitors tested, but it's still double the Evo monitor. I'd prefer something closer to the Evo monitor if at all possible. (Edit: Reread the last page; apparently people like this monitor for the cabinet. I still wish there was something with less lag.)

    Also, what's up with the Suzo Happ website not showing shipping estimates and forcing you to choose a shipping service? I have no idea which one I want because I don't know how much each costs... (Edit: Just ended up buying a coin door and the four "Happ" (probably fake Happ) buttons from this ebay seller since I didn't want to deal with shipping from Happ: http://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_ipg=200&item=360127648947&_ssn=twistedquarter&_sop=15).

    Just go with the Samsung, you wont notice the lag. Also Evo monitors aren't exactly the best monitors. They are very washed out & if i could do it over again i would probably go with one with better picture/color.

    Also its a good thing you didn't order the coin door for Suzo Happs, i almost got raped with shipping for 3 coin doors for $50+. According to someone in this thread these coin doors fits Kray's cab. http://www.ebay.com/itm/360127648947
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    Yep thanks. Ordered the Panasonic and the coin door from that guy. Suzo Happ needs to fix their shipping. I ship stuff all the time and there's no way shipping a few coin doors and buttons costs more than $15 on average.
  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    rcaido wrote: »
    Im going to call bullshit on that. Its not possible to detect 8-9ms input lag. You might have a different Panasonic LCD.

    It's the same TV. I looked at the back of the panel when I posted to verify. You have to remember you can't look at the delta in pure numbers, but how they affect the gameplay. In other words, if the Asus is sitting at 10ms, adding 8-9ms to that will actually push you over the one frame delta. If say adding the delta still kept you under 16ms, then you probably couldn't tell. Of course, going off that, anything from 16-32 will also exhibit similar lag. The gating factor here is the 60fps and not the pure numbers.

    In reality it's probably no more than a frame or so slower than the Asus. My litmus test is to see how long I have to wait after doing Yun's Genei-jin before I can hit a button. I don't know what to tell you other than that I have to wait ever so slightly longer on the TV than I do the monitor. It's not a deal breaker, but situations that require you to use visual cues (such as the genei-jin example) "feel" different. It's certainly subjective, but all I wanted to do was share my experience. As with everything on the internet, take with a grain of salt if you must.

    Obviously, there are other things at play here, as well. Xbox vs PS3, HDMI vs VGA, TV vs Monitor... it's not a straightforward apples to apples comparison.

  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    rcaido wrote: »
    Im going to call bullshit on that. Its not possible to detect 8-9ms input lag. You might have a different Panasonic LCD.

    It's the same TV. I looked at the back of the panel when I posted to verify. You have to remember you can't look at the delta in pure numbers, but how they affect the gameplay. In other words, if the Asus is sitting at 10ms, adding 8-9ms to that will actually push you over the one frame delta. If say adding the delta still kept you under 16ms, then you probably couldn't tell. Of course, going off that, anything from 16-32 will also exhibit similar lag. The gating factor here is the 60fps and not the pure numbers.

    In reality it's probably no more than a frame or so slower than the Asus. My litmus test is to see how long I have to wait after doing Yun's Genei-jin before I can hit a button. I don't know what to tell you other than that I have to wait ever so slightly longer on the TV than I do the monitor. It's not a deal breaker, but situations that require you to use visual cues (such as the genei-jin example) "feel" different. It's certainly subjective, but all I wanted to do was share my experience. As with everything on the internet, take with a grain of salt if you must.

    Obviously, there are other things at play here, as well. Xbox vs PS3, HDMI vs VGA, TV vs Monitor... it's not a straightforward apples to apples comparison.

    Would you mind posting a pic of the back of the panel that show this is truly the Panasonic TC-L32X1...I find it strange that this was the most coveted 32" LCD for years, yet with your testing you're finding noticeable lag.
  • SmokeMaxXSmokeMaxX T.O. of A.R.K. Joined: Posts: 7,974
    edited September 2013
    What kind of paper do you guys recommend getting artwork printed on? I think I saw someone mention some sort of metallic inkjet paper. I know with previous mods, I used some sort of Fedex glossy cardstock paper.

    EDIT: Also, does anyone have a good UMvC3 movelist template for the cabinet? I downloaded an AE one a few months ago in prep for the cabinet, but I'd much rather prefer a Marvel one.

    EDIT2: Found a couple of MvC3 ones. I'd prefer a UMvC3 one though. I've heard a few people mention I should commission @d3v to do it. He still do things like that? I wouldn't mind paying for a UMvC3 movelist if there isn't one readily available. Here are the MvC3 ones I found earlier in the thread:
    http://www.mediafire.com/view/?554knq7b2ltgoa7
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/n08071px035ur9x/movelist.jpg
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  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    rcaido wrote: »
    Would you mind posting a pic of the back of the panel that show this is truly the Panasonic TC-L32X1...I find it strange that this was the most coveted 32" LCD for years, yet with your testing you're finding noticeable lag.

    It3Mqyp.jpg

    I'll take your statement to mean that you haven't actually played on this TV? I don't want to derail this thread too much, but again I reiterate this is only my own experience. If you see Cicada's original post detailing his test of the L32X1 vs a CRT, he mentions it's on average about 10ms delay. He also says:

    "8-10ms is about the threshold where sensitive people start to notice lag."

    So, take it for what it's worth. All I'm saying is, my Xbox on the L32X1 feels slightly laggier than my PS3 and Asus setup. Again, not a deal breaker because in real play you can adjust your timing, and it's not so bad that it's unplayable compared to other 32" TVs. But in an absolute test against the Asus setup, I was able to tell. Logically speaking, it would make sense that if players can hit 1 frame links, they'd be able to tell when there's one frame difference in lag.

  • rcaidorcaido Dynamic Bayside Duo Joined: Posts: 8,317
    Yeah i have not played on it but have been going on the word of mouth from numerous websites from here to the avsforums. I look forever for this LCD but now im pretty happy w/ the Samsung. Interesting how it turned out, have you tried xbox 360 VGA? With my LG, there was no noticeable lag, it was only when i used HDMI. You should try that see if there is any difference.
  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    Yeah, I'm actually using the VGA output currently. I'll be honest I played on the TV for about two weeks and it felt pretty good. It was only out of pure curiosity that I turned on both of my setups to try them side by side that I can tell. It's *that* close. So in short, you really have to be looking for it, and even then you have to be sensitive enough to notice it.

    I also did an experiment today by hooking up the PS3 to the TV via HDMI, and it was no bueno! I'm not sure what happened, perhaps I had some audio setting on that I shouldn't have, but it was very noticeable between that and the Asus. If I had to hazard a guess, probably 2-3 frame difference. FWIW, I'm on a fat 60GB PS3.

    In any case, I'm happy with the Xbox -> VGA -> Panny. It's not perfect, but for the size it's as good as you'll get with LCDs.
  • blackraenblackraen Joined: Posts: 229
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm actually using the VGA output currently. I'll be honest I played on the TV for about two weeks and it felt pretty good. It was only out of pure curiosity that I turned on both of my setups to try them side by side that I can tell. It's *that* close. So in short, you really have to be looking for it, and even then you have to be sensitive enough to notice it.

    I also did an experiment today by hooking up the PS3 to the TV via HDMI, and it was no bueno! I'm not sure what happened, perhaps I had some audio setting on that I shouldn't have, but it was very noticeable between that and the Asus. If I had to hazard a guess, probably 2-3 frame difference. FWIW, I'm on a fat 60GB PS3.

    In any case, I'm happy with the Xbox -> VGA -> Panny. It's not perfect, but for the size it's as good as you'll get with LCDs.

    Based on your description of the scenario, I would hazard that you probably need to enable some kind of game mode display for the TV. Most LCDs have different picture modes, and these modes will have varying amounts of processing time associated with them. There will be as mode that disables as much pre-output processing as possible. On Samsung TVs it is conveniently called "Game Mode". Most TVs that have a VGA input use that minimal mode for the VGA input by default/forced.

    Based on that, what you're observing is that the TV is using the lowest pre-processing setting for your VGA port giving you your XBox's pleasant display rate. Meanwhile, when you swap to the HDMI input from the PS3, the TV is using whatever default viewing mode and increasing latency due to the associated pre-processing. Scan your menus and try to find the one that implies the lowest latency (I couldn't find anything online really easily, but best bests are something like "PC" or "GAME") -- On my Samsung you can force an input specific game mode by setting the input name to DVI-PC for instance.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,391
    blackraen wrote: »
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm actually using the VGA output currently. I'll be honest I played on the TV for about two weeks and it felt pretty good. It was only out of pure curiosity that I turned on both of my setups to try them side by side that I can tell. It's *that* close. So in short, you really have to be looking for it, and even then you have to be sensitive enough to notice it.

    I also did an experiment today by hooking up the PS3 to the TV via HDMI, and it was no bueno! I'm not sure what happened, perhaps I had some audio setting on that I shouldn't have, but it was very noticeable between that and the Asus. If I had to hazard a guess, probably 2-3 frame difference. FWIW, I'm on a fat 60GB PS3.

    In any case, I'm happy with the Xbox -> VGA -> Panny. It's not perfect, but for the size it's as good as you'll get with LCDs.

    Based on your description of the scenario, I would hazard that you probably need to enable some kind of game mode display for the TV. Most LCDs have different picture modes, and these modes will have varying amounts of processing time associated with them. There will be as mode that disables as much pre-output processing as possible. On Samsung TVs it is conveniently called "Game Mode". Most TVs that have a VGA input use that minimal mode for the VGA input by default/forced.

    Based on that, what you're observing is that the TV is using the lowest pre-processing setting for your VGA port giving you your XBox's pleasant display rate. Meanwhile, when you swap to the HDMI input from the PS3, the TV is using whatever default viewing mode and increasing latency due to the associated pre-processing. Scan your menus and try to find the one that implies the lowest latency (I couldn't find anything online really easily, but best bests are something like "PC" or "GAME") -- On my Samsung you can force an input specific game mode by setting the input name to DVI-PC for instance.
    Unfortunately there no native HD VGA support for the PS3. The PS3 console can utilize a PS1/PS2 SCART cable (that supports RGB) but that image will be at 240p and most US TVs don't support SCART.

    I wonder if Composite (set at HD resolutions) lag less than HDMI.
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  • stinkytofustinkytofu Joined: Posts: 34
    Unfortunately the Panny doesn't have a true game mode. The game mode on that panel is just a pre-setting with some contrast/color adjustments, which is a bit of a let down. If you want to get really nit picky though, the PS3 does innately have 1 frame of lag vs Xbox, so I'm not surprised to see it feel slower.

    FWIW, the XBox also allows me to output 1366x768 via VGA, which is potentially also bypassing additional scaling down by the TV. Whereas the PS3 can only output 720p, it's probably losing another frame there as well.
  • blackraenblackraen Joined: Posts: 229
    edited November 2013
    I'm probably wrong
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,391
    blackraen wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    blackraen wrote: »
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    Yeah, I'm actually using the VGA output currently. I'll be honest I played on the TV for about two weeks and it felt pretty good. It was only out of pure curiosity that I turned on both of my setups to try them side by side that I can tell. It's *that* close. So in short, you really have to be looking for it, and even then you have to be sensitive enough to notice it.

    I also did an experiment today by hooking up the PS3 to the TV via HDMI, and it was no bueno! I'm not sure what happened, perhaps I had some audio setting on that I shouldn't have, but it was very noticeable between that and the Asus. If I had to hazard a guess, probably 2-3 frame difference. FWIW, I'm on a fat 60GB PS3.

    In any case, I'm happy with the Xbox -> VGA -> Panny. It's not perfect, but for the size it's as good as you'll get with LCDs.

    Based on your description of the scenario, I would hazard that you probably need to enable some kind of game mode display for the TV. Most LCDs have different picture modes, and these modes will have varying amounts of processing time associated with them. There will be as mode that disables as much pre-output processing as possible. On Samsung TVs it is conveniently called "Game Mode". Most TVs that have a VGA input use that minimal mode for the VGA input by default/forced.

    Based on that, what you're observing is that the TV is using the lowest pre-processing setting for your VGA port giving you your XBox's pleasant display rate. Meanwhile, when you swap to the HDMI input from the PS3, the TV is using whatever default viewing mode and increasing latency due to the associated pre-processing. Scan your menus and try to find the one that implies the lowest latency (I couldn't find anything online really easily, but best bests are something like "PC" or "GAME") -- On my Samsung you can force an input specific game mode by setting the input name to DVI-PC for instance.
    Unfortunately there no native HD VGA support for the PS3. The PS3 console can utilize a PS1/PS2 SCART cable (that supports RGB) but that image will be at 240p and most US TVs don't support SCART.

    I wonder if Composite (set at HD resolutions) lag less than HDMI.

    The naming suggestion was just that, if you change the name for your input channel (it is a list of possible component names) to "PC" or "DVI-PC" then most TVs that support such things will force a low-lag picture mode.

    I have subjectively observed that composite is faster on Samsung LN37D550 (with Game mode enabled globally), but no hard numbers.
    stinkytofu wrote: »
    Unfortunately the Panny doesn't have a true game mode. The game mode on that panel is just a pre-setting with some contrast/color adjustments, which is a bit of a let down.

    Definitely a bummer on that one. I got lucky with my TV, didn't know anything about input lag when I got it and just happened to turn find and turn on Game mode "because I play games." More of an awareness thing now for future shopping I guess.
    No, what I am saying the PS3 Console does not support VGA.
    Also not all HD TVs force low rez for PC video. My TV supports up to 1080i on VGA, I done it with my pre-Elite (Pre-HDMI model) Xbox 360.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
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  • Syrous StarrSyrous Starr PA Fighter Joined: Posts: 28
    edited October 2013
    So me and my roommate put down our deposit on a V4 2 Player. Is there a place to get high quality panel designs? I've found high quality SF4 cabinet art, but was hoping to find some high quality control panel examples. Or at least some measurements/templates.

    I also came looking for TV recommendations. We're going to toss in a PC and Xbox. I was hoping to go 1080 because of the PC but that recommended 720 Samsung above looks great. I'm pretty sure I've seen it in a few pictures and it sits so flush and the price is right.

    He suggests screw ins(?), but I've seen people use some exotic buttons that I can only seem to find in the snap ins, mostly just browsing focus attack though. Anyone know whats up with that?


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