Wamo

bubafeast

So I made this little Javascript program to get all possible punishments or links. You can play with it on this link:

WAMO On Block? - by bubafeast

I suppose a couple of you people may find it useful.

kientan

That's fantastic.

Chance it could become an app in the future? I'll drop money on it.

SUPARNOVAX

Keylogger

ruff0123

tonylew84, post: 4674395 wrote:

Keylogger

?????

Camptodactyly

Quantserve. Don't click that shit.

Nero Fenix

I clicked the link but closed it as soon as I saw the comment. Am I screwed -_-

kientan

Thanks. On a MAC.

Didn't know.

Alidfe

Is it actually a virus or is tony just trolling? If I remember right FGAPR is a legit website, and I have a junk computer I checked it on and didn't seem to pick up anything weird.

bubafeast

No virus or keylogger.

FGAPR == Fighting Game Arena Puerto Rico, its a legit website of the PR fighting game community.

Sosage

tonylew84, post: 4674395 wrote:

Keylogger

Can you elaborate? I've dug through the javascript source that's available and don't see anything that's eyebrow raising.

Graphf

bubafeast, post: 4674393 wrote:

So I made this little Javascript program to get all possible punishments or links. You can play with it on this link:

WAMO On Block? - by bubafeast

I suppose a couple of you people may find it useful.

Bubafeast...wow...the community owes you a huge debt of gratitude. This is simply stunning.

bubafeast

@Sosage, I assure you he is trolling.

SUPARNOVAX

Okay it was just my browser acting up. I left my shit on too long :D

double F

Wow. this is fantastic. You should really make this into a phone app. I have some good tutorials on writing Android apps. The setup of the testing environment is the trickiest part, but the code is pretty simple (especially for the kind of thing you wrote). Let me know if you're interested.

Doopliss

The only problem is that anti-air only moves also seems to be mentioned, for example, T.Hawk's U2. I guess there's moves that are out of reach as well, but not much you can do about that without manual testing. Still, this might prove very useful.

craze

good shit man! Nominated!!

shinwolverine

This is really handy!

shinwolverine

This is front page material.

Poptags08

I can't tell if I'm reading this information correctly. Why does Cammy's Ultra2 show up as an option when Ryu's Fireball is set as an attack? Is this an error or does this list just show what you can do as a reprisal to some moves? Because CqC doesn't work against projectiles.

Jarekov

Awesome. nominated.

SRK trolls epic fail.

HBRD

If this was the WoW forums okay, but what would he be trying to keylog? If he wanted to get some CC info, he wouldn't be posting up on the SSF4 board of SRK. YO YOUR GFWL PASSWORD AIN'T SAFE NO MORE

Cool app.

Boy of Joy

As far as anti-air only attacks and stuff like CQC that doesn't work against projectiles, I think this app is just taking into account the startup of every available move/special/super/ultra. It's up to you to verify that it is actually viable.

In any case, this is an awesome app, thanks!

NaokiB4U

Very useful for my Hakan game....time to do some studying!

Jordunable

Thanks a lot.

bubafeast

Boy of Joy, post: 4674414 wrote:

...I think this app is just taking into account the startup of every available move/special/super/ultra. It's up to you to verify that it is actually viable. ...

This!

As I wrote on my first post:
"...program to get all possible punishments or links..."

The "On Block" shows the possible punishments after blocking the attack, if the move is not shown it means its really risky to use (you could get hit with a jab for example). Green connects, yellow connects only as reversal.. orange read below.

The "On Hit" shows the moves you can use after you hit them with the move on the left column and will combo. Green combo, yellow 1-frame... orange read below.

Orange moves are moves that connect as counterhit if your opponent tries to attack you. The orange moves can be blocked by your opponent if they block. In the case of moves with invinsibility at startup, you will get hit... since the move is invinsible. The orange moves are been displayed in case you want to do some kind of frame trap and bait an counterhit combo.

So... this program helps you deciding what you could use by showing what options are possible, its up to you what option works best for you.

Also, moves like the Cammy U2 been green after blocking a Ryu fireball, what this means is that the U2 active frames are active before Ryu recovers. Same happens with throws, Hakan U2... etc.. they show up as possible options because they activate before your opponent recovers but don't work because of the move properties.

caruga

I don't understand it. Why would punishments on block show higher numbers (more frame opportunities for punishment?) as well as highlight them in orange (less opportunity for punishment?) if it was a counterhit, when counterhit means more hitstun for you? Obviously I'm interpreting it wrong but i'm only going by what it says...

caruga

Hmm I read it wrong, you have to connect a counterhit as punishment... but why would that make any difference? I'm assuming we're talking about hitting the person before they recover, which takes as long as it takes regardless of whether it lands as a counterhit or not. still doesn't make any sense to me.

Annihilationscape

Bookmark'd. Thanks for this!

mason

Counter hit is hitting their startup of a move. I assume he implemented it meaning your move is active at least 2 frames after they've recovered so it will counter hit any non invincible move they do.

Very nice work btw.

jeenyus1

Great stuff but for a suggestion, Ultra 2 option for Fei-Long and Cammy should be taken out as options since you can't punish any blocked moves with it, it has to be used prior to blocking and it could be used for any attack that isn't a throw or a breaker move so listing it over and over is kind of redundant.

bubafeast

caruga, post: 4674418 wrote:

I don't understand it. Why would punishments on block show higher numbers (more frame opportunities for punishment?) as well as highlight them in orange (less opportunity for punishment?) if it was a counterhit, when counterhit means more hitstun for you? Obviously I'm interpreting it wrong but i'm only going by what it says...

The numbers (x,y) means:
- The 'x' is the number of frames you have so it will connect 100% sure.
- The 'y' is the number of frames you can press the button and your opponent will get counterhit'd... unless he makes an invinsible move.

Its a range.. so you have from 'x' to 'y' frames to press the button. If you press it before 'x' frames it will connect. If you pressed the button after the 'x' frames but before the 'y' you can connect a counterhit. A negative number means there is no way you can connect 100% sure since 0 frames is reversal.

And by connect a counterhit I mean you hit your opponent on their startup frames of their move. So if they are mashing c.lp+c.lk you will counterhit them on the c.lk startup frames.

0 its a a reversal obviously. Also, you can use plink to connect the 1 framers... etc..

Korbidon

Great job, hope you get a front page.

SUPARNOVAX

Yeah those other numbers are counter hits if they retaliate AFAIK.

stabicron

HBRD, post: 4674413 wrote:

If this was the WoW forums okay, but what would he be trying to keylog? If he wanted to get some CC info, he wouldn't be posting up on the SSF4 board of SRK. YO YOUR GFWL PASSWORD AIN'T SAFE NO MORE

Cool app.

In answer to your question, if he was trying to keylog it probably wouldn't be for you gfwl or anything like that. More likely he'd be aiming for the big stuff like credit card info *and yes he would post on a forum to try and find some suckers, he'd be bound to nab a few before the thread got deleted, such has been done before elsewhere* or banking information if you shop online or use online banking at all.

Thankfully though he is not keylogging.

And yes it is a very interesting app.

BentoBox

christ this is amazing.

Pertho

Que cabron, de que parte de PR eres?

ilitirit

Nice. You should add things like what you can use to punish meaties.

[EDIT] If you do plan on adding something like that, then keep in mind that the hit/block stun values of certain moves can change depending on how they connect, so you can't really rely on the frame data.

bubafeast

Pertho, post: 4674428 wrote:

Que cabron, de que parte de PR eres?

Si eres de PR y juegas fighting games hazte una cuenta en el foro de fgapr.com y asi conoces a todo el mundo lol

xpelucox

props to buba,this shit works

ghostcoda

found some errors. Cody's Hammer Hook should be -6 on block instead of 6.

and his Focus Attacks lvl 1 & 2 should be -21 and -15 on block not 21 and 15

great program! thanks!

bubafeast

ghostcoda, post: 4674432 wrote:

found some errors. Cody's Hammer Hook should be -6 on block instead of 6.

and his Focus Attacks lvl 1 & 2 should be -21 and -15 on block not 21 and 15

great program! thanks!

Thanks! will fix now

A Nun

With Hakan you can't punish normals with Ultra 2. Need to take that out of there.

deice-

Hey, I noticed you were using the frame data for Juri which has some moves mixed up and some errors. I tried to collect corrections from different frame data guides and my own testing and produced a fixed Juri frame data file. I don't know if its 100% accurate, but its definitely better than what Eventhubs has:

Juri frame data CSV (diff of changes)

Also, wouldn't it make more sense for focus attacks to use the frame advantage when you dash cancel after the FA level 1/2, since nobody would do a focus attack without dash canceling. Of course, it'd take a little work to copy this info for every character.

The data is available at SRK Wiki (second table in the chapter about Dashing). Note that advantage after FA level 1 hit is same as on block.

Oh, and thanks for producing this awesome tool for us theoryfighters!

DarthPaul1982

might have been mentioned already, but the frame data for abels wheel kicks is wrong. It lists all the frame adv. for wheels as being 2 frames less than what they actually are.

bubafeast

deice-, post: 4674435 wrote:

Hey, I noticed you were using the frame data for Juri which has some moves mixed up and some errors. I tried to collect corrections from different frame data guides and my own testing and produced a fixed Juri frame data file. I don't know if its 100% accurate, but its definitely better than what Eventhubs has:

Juri frame data CSV (diff of changes)

Also, wouldn't it make more sense for focus attacks to use the frame advantage when you dash cancel after the FA level 1/2, since nobody would do a focus attack without dash canceling. Of course, it'd take a little work to copy this info for every character.

The data is available at SRK Wiki (second table in the chapter about Dashing). Note that advantage after FA level 1 hit is same as on block.

Oh, and thanks for producing this awesome tool for us theoryfighters!

Huge thanks!!!!! with diff and everything, so much simple to fix :-D
updating it right now

About what you commented about FA I copy+pasted it to my TODO list, I'm kind of busy right now so I'll check the link later and let you know about it... definitely would be better to have cancelled frame data also.

bubafeast

DarthPaul1982, post: 4674436 wrote:

might have been mentioned already, but the frame data for abels wheel kicks is wrong. It lists all the frame adv. for wheels as being 2 frames less than what they actually are.

Be more specific because as of now you seem to be incorrect.

deice-

bubafeast, post: 4674437 wrote:

About what you commented about FA I copy+pasted it to my TODO list, I'm kind of busy right now so I'll check the link later and let you know about it... definitely would be better to have cancelled frame data also.

I could produce a diff patch for you if you want and know how to apply them.

I don't know if it would be better to just change the "advantage on hit/block" for the existing Focus Attack lines, or add new ones like "Focus Attack Level 1 (Dash Cancel)". I feel changing the originals is better since nobody does FA without dash canceling it, but what do you think?

bubafeast

deice-, post: 4674439 wrote:

I could produce a diff patch for you if you want and know how to apply them.

I don't know if it would be better to just change the "advantage on hit/block" for the existing Focus Attack lines, or add new ones like "Focus Attack Level 1 (Dash Cancel)". I feel changing the originals is better since nobody does FA without dash canceling it, but what do you think?

If you send me the diff's, yes I know how to patch them. ( patch -p0 < file.diff )

Its better to add them as new rows, I know a couple of people that would scream at me if they can't see both alternatives.

BTW, I'm adding credits for the people that has helped somehow... WAMO - by bubafeast (click on credits)
If for some reason anyone that appears there don't want to be there, let me know.

Raven-X

Wow, this little thing is amazing. I do suggest you change the title to something a bit more...obvious though, lol. I almost never clicked on it, but good work man.

Maybe a name like "Framevantage" or something, just a thought.

deice-

So, I made the focus attack diff, adding "Focus Attack Level 1 (Dash Cancel)" and "Focus Attack Level 2 (Dash Cancel)" for all characters according to data from SRK Wiki (you should credit them for the data).

The diff patch.

I also noticed some minor things in Chun-Li frame data file while editing:
- The string fields didn't have spaces as last character like all other files making it display funny
- Her wall jump had 0's for frame data, making it show up with punishes which don't make sense.
I added space characters before the quotes and changed the wall jump to have "-" for data. I'm not sure if it would make more sense not to have the space characters and do the formatting in the code, but at least this way all the frame data files are formatted the same way

Updated Chun-Li frame data file with all changes
Diff of wall jump change
Diff of string space changes

Note: If you apply the all the patches, the focus stuff needs to be applied before the chun-li changes, and the diffs need to be applied in the order they are in this post, otherwise you'll likely get conflicts.

mochawhitey

great job! And if this was an ipod app I'd buy it in a heartbeat.