KOF character tiers...storyline wise?

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Wellman wrote:
    I have never understood why people put Goenitz right under Orochi. Seriously what evidence is there other than destroying a stadium in a cut scene?

    If anything I would place him at about the same place as other bosses like the Nest group and other Orochi's. Although with the way 2003 depicted it Mukai should already be stronger than Goenitz was, what with after taking a savage beating still being able to walk away in dramatic fashion.

    Goenitz is much stronger than Kyo (he defeated Kyo very easily between KOF95 and 96, forcing him to change his fighting style). Kyo being the strongest non-boss in KOF. Goenitz smacked Kagura around. He killed Maki (Kaguras twin sister, which was stronger than Kagura... you can fight her spirit in 2003). He also defeated (again very easily) Rugal and took his eye. Kyo, Iori and Kagura had to fight together to defeat Goenitz. Considering that they are the strongest characters, it should be a pretty big deal.

    Also, Goenitz is the strongest of all the Eight Heads of Orochi. Hes "second in command", and answers only to Orochi himself.

    Mukai and the new guys may be stronger than Goenitz, but we dont really know for sure.
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    Time_Stop wrote:
    Goenitz is much stronger than Kyo (he defeated Kyo very easily between KOF95 and 96, forcing him to change his fighting style). Kyo being the strongest non-boss in KOF. Goenitz smacked Kagura around. He killed Maki (Kaguras twin sister, which was stronger than Kagura... you can fight her spirit in 2003). He also defeated (again very easily) Rugal and took his eye. Kyo, Iori and Kagura had to fight together to defeat Goenitz. Considering that they are the strongest characters, it should be a pretty big deal.

    Also, Goenitz is the strongest of all the Eight Heads of Orochi. Hes "second in command", and answers only to Orochi himself.

    Mukai and the new guys may be stronger than Goenitz, but we dont really know for sure.

    Yup, Kyo, Iori, Chizuru all would have NOTHING on Goenitz if they fought 1-on-1 against him. He deserves to be right under Orochi IMO. I'd argue that Jin brothers or Geese who are fully powered with ancient scrolls COULD be strong as him, but that's a different game anyway (though still "king of fighters" tournament).
  • DanSCDanSC Joined: Posts: 608
    what/who is orochi?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    DanSC wrote:
    what/who is orochi?

    The most powerful being in the KOF universe ^_^

    he's a god who plays a important part in KOF storyline from 95 to 97. He wants everything to return to nothingness (I wonder if they got the inspiration from Final Fantasy V in any way -_-;;)
  • KorigamaKorigama 所在無い Joined: Posts: 547
    Another one of these topics. Well, since they never go anywhere, I won't bother saying anything, since the only thing that's official is that Orochi > everyone else, and everything else is just speculation.
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    Fucking haters.... K9999 represent!!!! bitches! He's up there with Kyo, Iori, K'.
    Fuck... this brings back memories...

    Also if I recall correctly (havent seen a KoF storywise tiers discussion in a while) Igniz was 2nd strongest, only surpassed by Orochi, who we know is the strongest being in fighting game history!

    Cant wait for the next KoF to see whats up!
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    yo dn3000 are u the guy with the Mr. Karate screenshots in FatalFury Wild Ambition from way back?
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  • js2756js2756 Joined: Posts: 169
    Goenitz was defeated by Kyo and Iori only, not along with Chizuru. She was out of commission when they fought her. Iori also did not go into his riot of the blood mode when they fought either.

    It is possible to pull A LOT of information about how strong people are from the correct endings of the KoF games. Like the SF games, not all the endings are canon, but some are (for example, the weapons of god team (Kyo, Iori, Chizuru) is the canon ending for KoF 97). Usually, the hero team is the proper canon ending, but not always.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    god tier orochi
    low god tier mukai, ingiz ,goenitz ,original zero ,the heavenly kings o.iori, o. leona,krauser, geese, zero, krizalid,
    top tier terry ,kyo, iori, k ,k9999, ash, dou lon, benimaru, lin, foxy, kusanagi, everyone else mid to low tier
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    God Tier
    Terry, Andy, Joe
    Low Tier
    Everybody else


    But on a serious note....

    Looking at the kof97 cutscene, you can tell that Terry, Kyo, Ryo, Iori and Andy are equal in power.

    But really, it will never truely be comfirmed.
  • jae hoonjae hoon Flames of Justice Joined: Posts: 13,053 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    If Geese is so strong then why does Terry keep kicking his ass.

    I kinda think they screwed up with Terry, he should remain the focal point of SNK more like he is in Garou. Although Rock is actually the main focal point.
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  • KougaKouga Unblockable Traps!!! Joined: Posts: 306
    Because Terry has Hero status and KoF is like every other anime universe where the hero magically beats someone stronger than them (read: Orochi and Goenitz).
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  • jae hoonjae hoon Flames of Justice Joined: Posts: 13,053 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Kouga wrote:
    Because Terry has Hero status and KoF is like every other anime universe where the hero magically beats someone stronger than them (read: Orochi and Goenitz).


    But couldnt you counteragrue that by saying that maybe Terry is as strong as Geese is.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Terry defeated Geese. Numerous times. Kyo beat Rugal and Saisyu in 95, but not without help from Benimaru and Goro. As to Orochi? It was a blood-rioting Iori and desparate Kyo that "killed" Orochi. Igniz was bested by K' and commited suicide.

    The tiers as I recall:

    1: Orochi
    2: Goenitz, Yashiro, Shermie, Chris, Takuma
    3: Bloodriot Iori, Bloodriot Leona, Rugal, Zero, and Igniz.
    4: Kyo, K', Kula, Iori, Chizuru, Ash, Terry, Saisyu.
    5: Benimaru, Leona, Athena, Yamazaki.
    6: everyone else.

    Orochi is a given.

    Goenitz and the big four are one with their blood; Yashiro and co. hold back until necessary. Takuma has always held back unless he dons the mask. I place him up there since its very likely that he is on a heaven-surpassing level.

    Bloodriot Iori and Leona are more than likely weaker since they are slaves to their blood. Eventually, Iori will no longer have the bloodline, however. Rugal is indeed powerful, but he has nothing on the Orochi. The same applies to Zero and Igniz.

    Kyo and Iori are powerful, but it took their combined power to eliminate Orochi and Goenitz. They earn the fear of their opponents thanks to their treasures. K's power has a root connection to Kyo, and Kula is just slightly weaker than him. Saisyu is probably a little bit stronger than Kyo but not so much as to be a tier higher. Ash managed to snatch Chizuru's treasure so he must have some merit in power, at least above Benimaru.
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    I thought Terry was fairly strong. But this is coming from a person who has seen 2 movies and only played KOF96 and 2003.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Who exactly is Mr. Karate? Takuma, Kyo, Who?
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    They both are at different periods in time.
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    KOF isn't held on top of high-rise towers, so Geese is pretty much invincible. But it doesn't matter, Chang is the strongest char. If only SRK wouldn't be so deep in the coverup, I could post the evidence that would make you all realize this once and for all.
  • Violent RyoViolent Ryo Mistuurrr KaraTEH! Joined: Posts: 382
    The D Man wrote:
    Who exactly is Mr. Karate? Takuma, Kyo, Who?

    Did u mean Ryo, cuz Kyo has nothing to do with Karate or the Sakazaki family.

    Mr. Karate is the identity Takuma assumes when he decides not to hold back and puts on a tengu mask, and is also Ryo's and Yuri's father.

    First appeared in 1992 in Art of Fighting as the final boss and is basically a pallette swap of Ryo but faster, and much more powerful, and I believe is the inspiration for Akuma/Gouki (flame?):

    AOF1 Shot

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    Mr. Karate next appeared in the 3D game, Fatal Fury: Wild Ambition for PSX in 1998, but this time it is Ryo that is Mr. Karate as he has inherited his father's title but without the mask:

    FFWA: Ryo as Mr. Karate

    Takuma is back as Mr. Karate in SVC:

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    In 2005 Ryo appears yet again as Mr. Karate in Neo Geo Battle Coliseum, but not the same version as FFWA Ryo...no comboable air Haoh Shoukouken, and FFWA Ryo's new moves.. -_- :

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  • Violent RyoViolent Ryo Mistuurrr KaraTEH! Joined: Posts: 382
    A lot of people keep posting Kyo as one of the highest tiers...but what about when SNK says they created Kyo to be able to "hold his own against Terry and Ryo..", indicating he isnt as strong as them.

    What to make of that?
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  • Rioting SoulRioting Soul Joined: Posts: 4,912 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Should't Geese be higher than Yamazaki?

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    Terry still holds the title of King of Fighters since he was the last one to win it, before the tournament went into team format.

    Kyo, and K' can't be the King of Fighters when they won as a team.

    IMO

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  • UltimaUltima Retired SF Aristocrat Joined: Posts: 1,777 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Now I'm not as occurant with KoF story as I am with SF, but aside from Orochi, and maybe Goenitz and the other Heavenly Kings, it's difficult to ascertain reliable tier levels for the KoF characters because, as someone pointed out, you have regular instances of "lower" characters beating up on "higher" characters. And then there's the whole team format issue, which further muddles things up.

    It would also help if there were more info on who officially beat who, and not "who beat who because it was so an so's destiny to do so" crap. There are a ton of teams in the KoF every year, but we only know (?) how one or two teams fair, at best.

    Query: Why is Geese perceived as being so strong? I know he's cool and all, but he struck me more of a business man who happened to be a kick ass fighter rather than some kind of uber fighter. While he may be stronger than the "regular" fighters, I think he's one of the weaker "boss" characters in terms of fighting ability. I would put Krauser well over Geese, for example. It doesn't detract from Geese, because, well, he's Geese. But in terms of fighting ability, I don't see him being as strong as some people claim he is.

    And speaking of Geese, that whole thing with the scrolls.. isn't that just specularion? Also, if the scrolls were do powerful, shouldn't anyone + scrolls = top tier?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Geese should be higher than Yamazaki?



    well i don't no about that cuz yamazaki did beat geese first. and then geese and yamazaaki fought again and geese beat him. i think yamazaki is stronger then geese.
  • KougaKouga Unblockable Traps!!! Joined: Posts: 306
    Saisyu is probably a little bit stronger than Kyo but not so much as to be a tier higher.

    Uhhh didn't Kyo beat Saisyu as a kid or something? I don't remember very well... Stands to reason that if he did...
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  • GeeseHowardGeeseHoward In Syndication since 1929 Joined: Posts: 174
    So pretty much everyone agrees...Orochi is the strongest...
    Now, where are people basing their stuff on?
    Because there are a couple of sourcs, and some of them contradict others.
    I know there is the KOF zillions comics (Which are really nicely written), hell if you base it off of these, then that's where Billy Kane handled Kyo (without the flames)...

    Among the "regular" fighters, I think its pretty much from the main characters in the respective KOF games...Kyo, K', Iori, Ash, are pretty much the strongest, although I still think the originals (meaning the peeps from AOF and FF) are up their, its just that everyone is too busy with Kyo and them...

    I like the fact that SNK tries to bring in new characters, but it seems they create new ones as "the most powerful" fighters, thinking that we will all forget Kyo...

    I think its tight when SNK gives established characters new looks/fighting styles, like Kyo and Mr. Karate (Ryo).

    And Geese is powerful, its just that its one of those fanboy questions..would would beat who among Bad guys....As for the person who said that Krauser is stronger, I think that was true at one point, but then Geese got better or something and is slightly higher than Krauser (I heard it somewhere, dont quote me!) I guess Geese is a character like Bison, where they will always be one of the strongest, whether or not they are the actual bosses of the game, they are always in the scene, even when they aint fighting..

    Ok, I dont know if this ade sense, just me ranting and raving...

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    ^^
    yea what GH said wasnt geese in training for the game where Krauser is the boss, thats when he develops the mighty Raging storm!
    Im not sure bout this but if he was still around after Krauser canned it i would asume his stronger by now.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Kouga wrote:
    Uhhh didn't Kyo beat Saisyu as a kid or something? I don't remember very well... Stands to reason that if he did...

    I say Saisyu is a little bit stronger than Kyo because Saisyu can withstand his own flames while Kyo has to wear special gloves. And yes, Kyo beat Saisyu in 95 although it took him awhile to put aside personal feelings. And I believe it took Benimaru and Daimon helping him to take out Rugal in 95. [A lot of people argue, with reasonable evidence, that 94 is just a dream match.]
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    I say Saisyu is a little bit stronger than Kyo because Saisyu can withstand his own flames while Kyo has to wear special gloves. And yes, Kyo beat Saisyu in 95 although it took him awhile to put aside personal feelings. And I believe it took Benimaru and Daimon helping him to take out Rugal in 95. [A lot of people argue, with reasonable evidence, that 94 is just a dream match.]

    Kyo doesn't need the gloves anymore, he took them off in 99. I think he's stronger than his dad.
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    It is obvious Kyo is stronger than Saishu. If it is not so, Iori's rival would be Saishu instead of him.
    If it is not so, Saishu would be the one who sealed Orochi with Mushiki.

    *thinks this is a wonderful thread.XD*
  • Shawn_MichaelsShawn_Michaels Joined: Posts: 9
    Story wise strongest character without bosses are Kyo, K`,Ash and Iori there must be no any doubt about that and right behind them are Terry and Ryo as mains from FF and AOF:P
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    This thread is old as balls.

    Who beats who is rarely documented in KoF. I like how SNK keeps that information ambiguous.
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    I was still in high school when this thread was created :open_mouth:

    As for XIV, Verse' power seems to be incomplete right now, so he's not all that powerful. K' said he was too easy to handle, while Kyo had a feeling the battle was only the tip of the iceberg. I'm sure Verse will be more of a problem in XV.
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    You guys all suck for not mentioning based Xanadu

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