So You Wanna Go For a Ride?: Syke and Windy's MvC3 Basics Thread

Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters ChildrenJoined: Posts: 9,156 mod
So...someone has decided to get into Marvel Vs Capcom 3? Have you been lurking the boards for a while not knowing any terms. You can't tell the difference between a DHC or a SJC? Me and Windsagio are here to help, somewhat.

The Test
If you dont understand what this refers to around here then you are a lost cause and should keep on reading IMO. If you do know what it means then why are you here? Get me one foo!!

Buttons & Terms
This topic has caused many a wars around here since release. "Its so TvC!" Or "You vets can't change for shit!" has resulted in infractions up the ass. So best thing is to ignore that flawed argument at all costs because we ALL lose.

:l: :m: :h:
:s: :a1: :a2:
Lets call this Config A, ok?

:l: :h: :a1:
:m: :s: :a2:
And this will be Config B.

Now I'ma hit you with this so we are all on the same page
Legend
:l: = Light attack
:m: = Medium attack
:h: = Heavy attack
:s: = Exchange
:atk::atk:= any two attack buttons (for Hypers)
:a1:=Assist 1
:a2:=Assist 2
DHC= Delayed Hyper Combo
XFC= X-Factor Cancel
AD= Airdash

Config A is the standard setting for MvC3. The buttons are placed that way to favor the button strengths, and easier X-Factor inputs
Config B favors the MvC2 style of things. Trying to accomodate familiar players. Now keep in mind that upon release you are able to set every button to your preference. Now I'm not one to judge, but lets keep it simple around here and just refer to these 2 configurations.

Now while reading that legend I'm sure you had trouble recognizing some of the phrases used in the Legend. I'll start with :s: and work my way down.

Exchange: Aka Capcom's way of making matches more flashy. It basically switches your character in the middle of an Air Combo, but on the ground it is every character's launcher button. In the air Exchange by itself ends the air combo. However when a direction is added (:u::s:, :d::s:, :f::s:, :b::s:) a character can be tagged out and continue the combo. But if the opponent matches the input then the combo is ended for the aggressor.
DHC= Delayed Hyper Combo: This is the process in which you cancel one Hyper Combo with another. For example I am using Ryu's Shinkuu Hadouken. If I have another bar of meter I can input the motion for Chun-Li's Leg's Hyper for extra damage. Many use this technique as a safe way to get a character out and get another one in.
XFC= X-Factor Cancel: XFC allows X-Factor to be used to its full potential. Executing X-Factor during any point of a Hyper (that is not Lvl 3) allows that Hyper's animation and/or recovery to be canceled. It can also be performed during normals, specials, or nothing as long as you are grounded. This leaves you with the opportunity to either get your character out of harm's way or activate another Hyper.
AD= Air Dash: Well Air Dashing is kinda a self-explanatory term. Some characters can dash wile in the air. And some of those characters can dash in 8 directions (up, down, left, right, up-forward, down-forward, up-back, down-back). This ability is known as an 8-Way AD. This enables the character to have an ability known as tridash in which the character can dash down-forward, down, or down-back, most of the time with an attack after. Some examples of characters in MvC3 with tridashes are Iron Man, Trish, and Morrigan. Some of these characters also have the ability to fly but not have an AD. Some characters have both.


Team Building

So you have a couple characters you like and want to see how they all fit together? Here are the questions you should ask yourself.
https://docs1.google.com/document/d/1DF0MivDK9VFeq9UelGbZ9GMwnjW9ZcQWKHt0NGbcifI/edit?hl=en&pli=1#
(thanks to Tahldon)

Other topics we will cover in the future are:
Tagging
Cross-Counters
Super Jumps
Resets
Mixups
and e.t.c.

Mind you this is still in its infancy and will be improved virtually everyday. I'm tired so I probably will continue this another day once my brain can work again. But my homie Windsagio is going to go more in depth for the advance ish.
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    Some Vs. Game Basics (v1):

    Magic Series: For those who haven't played a vs. game before the 'magic series' is what we call the autocombo system first introduced in Darkstalkers and Xmen:COTA. The basic idea is to make combos easier to execute and not have to worry about links and such.

    The essentials of the magic series is that you can buffer stronger attacks from lighter attacks and they will combo. For instance, you can cancel A (light attack) into B (medium attack). These are general rules, and what will actually work varies from character to character (for instance A>B>C>E usually won't combo for Viewtiful Joe for range reasons on his launcher, and Thor has to do A>B>E or B>C>E to launch)

    As of now the general rules seem to be as follows.
    A normal can be cancelled into:
    a) A stronger normal in the order of A>B>C
    b) A 'command normal' of equal or greater strength (so you couldn't cancel C into a :d:B command normal)
    c) A special move or hyper combo
    d) Exchange

    These rules are general and may not work from character to character. Know the character you're playing and what works!

    Aerial magic series: In the current build, it seems that you can always attempt to do A>A>B>B>C>E in an aerial rave, and it will cancel. That being said, it will rarely if ever actually hit. The hitboxes and movement for each normal are different, so find out what aerial combos work for your characters.


    The Exchange button and Launching:

    The Exchange button is a new feature added to MvC3 that was lacking in previous Vs. games. Its function varies based on the situation, but it has 2 primary uses: Launching and Aerial exchange.

    Launching is a familiar concept from a number of games, but is essentially shooting the enemy up into the air for a follow up combo. In previous games launching was generally :df::hp: or :df::hk:. In MvC3, exchange on the ground is always your launcher. After hitting with a launcher, hold up or up/forward to automatically follow up into the air to try to continue the combo. This puts you into 'super-jump' state (described elsewhere)

    Aerial Exchange is an entirely new concept created for MvC3. In essence, after you launch, if you hit the 'E' button in the air, you'll do a special tag and continue the combo. You push a direction and Exchange to hit the opponent that direction and tag out. Note that if you an attempt an aerial exchange, and your opponent matches your input, they do a counter, and knock you out of the combo while negating the tag A combo following an aerial exchange also generates substantially increased amounts of super meter. Hitting 'neutral' E hits the opponent to the ground in a ground bounce. If you're at the lowest air level you can follow it up with any OTG combo. The neutral E cannot be countered/broken

    X-Factor:

    X-Factor is another mechanic new to MvC3, but is based on the 'Baroque' concept from Tatsunoko vs. Capcom. X-Factor is activated by pressing all four attack buttons\(A, B, C and E) at once. When X-Factor active, your point character regains 'red life' at an extremely rapid rate, your character is substantially sped up, and both normal and 'chip' damage are greatly increased. In addition, on activation, all of your cooldowns are reset (see XFC below) You get one activation of X-Factor per match, and the duration is linked to your life total; the less life your team has the longer X-Factor lasts. You can only activate X-Factor on the ground.

    XFC is the term used for "X-Factor Cancelling", the process of activating X-Factor to interrupt cooldowns and extend a combo. The most common use for XFC is to cancel one Hyper combo (vs-speak for super move) in order to immediately activate another. Since X-Factor increases damage and resets combo-scaling (check!) this significantly increases the damage of a combo. You can also XFC after an unsafe move or Hyper to avoid being punished.

    Assisting and tagging

    Assisting is calling one of the two characters you don't have 'on point' in for a single attack or move. Assists can be various attacks, counters, or even charge your hyper meter. Each character has 3 assists you can choose from, ?, ?, and ?. As compared to MvC2, which had useful labels for the assists such as 'anti-air' or 'combo extender', in MvC3 the assists have a set of two descriptors, the 'type', and the 'direction'.

    The 'type is what kind of attack it is: 'direct' means a physical attack, 'shot' means a projectile, and 'special' means something weird. the 'direction' is more straight forward, ranging from 'upward' (straight up), 'tilt up', 'front', to 'tilt dw'. The trick is that this second factor is largely meaningless, as an assist can be labeled 'direct front' and be either a low attack (X-23's ankle cutter or Felicia's rolling buckler) or a projectile antiair attack (Dante's 'jam session'). Know your assists and pick wisely. Some good assists to start with are the Dr. Doom Y (Molecular shield/'doom rocks') which is good to cover advancing on the enemy, Trish's B "Peekaboo" (air trap), which is a good trap/zoning assist, or Dante's A (Jam session) which is a good AA/combo extender.

    There are some rules for assists, as well. You cannot call an assist during a special move or a superjump. In addition, during and briefly after an assist you cannot call the other one again (but the other assist is available more rapidly than the one you just used). You also cannot tag in during an assist, with identical lockout rules.


    Tagging is the act of changing your character out for one of your assists. In the simplest mode, you tag via holding the appropriate assist button (A1 or A2) for a half-second or so. The tag can be buffered to some degree, but will not negate the recovery of the move in question, so if you do a hyper combo with a slow recovery while holding the assist button, you will not be automatically protected from a punish. (check!) You can alternatively tag through aerial exchanges (see above), Delayed Hyper Combos (DHC's) and Cross-Counters, although the last two options take one or more bars of meter to execute. As a general rule, 'naked' or random tagging is a very bad idea, so use one of the alternative methods whenever possible.

    Dashing, Wavedashing, And tridashing:

    Dashing is pretty common to all fighting games, and is used to move quickly around the screen. The basic inputs to dash are either doubletapping a direction, or AB plus a direction. AB with no direction will dash forward. Dash speed and distance varies from character to character.

    Wavedashing is using multiple dashes in order to cover ground quickly. The best way to do it is tapping AB repeatedly. It is a common misconception that you need to duck cancel (see below) to wavedash as in MvC2, but this isn't true, dashes automatically cancel into dashes. You can't wavedash backwards.

    Dash Cancelling: You can cancel dashes with attacks or by ducking. Duck cancelling dashes just ends the approach early and is good for approaching the opponent safely and baiting, and attack cancelling is an important part of rushdown. It should be noted that in the current build, Ryu, Dormammu, Chris Redfield, Doctor Doom, and the Hulk cannot cancel dashes. This is a known issue for some characters, but may be intentional for others.

    Tridashing should be mentioned as a function of airdashing. They work because nearly all air normals are overheads and cannot be blocked low (an air attack that isn't an overhead is the exception rather than the rule, once again know your character). If you jump and then dash forward/downforward immediately you can get an almost instant attack that will catch ducking blocks, and can be continued into a combo. They are a very important element of most character's rushdown game.

    Hyper Meter and uses; Hypers, DHC, THC, and counter tagging

    Your meter is an important part of your management and strategy, being used to power the most useful moves and techniques in the game. In general you gain meter by interacting with your opponent, and you can store up to 5 'stocks' or levels of your meter. Unlike in previous games, intentionally missing ('whiffing' in the parlance) does not give any meter, but gains from successfully attacking are much greater than in previous games. The following things gain meter: Hitting with any move including hyper combos, having attacks blocked (note that this gives far less meter than hitting), being hit by an opponents attacks, and blocking opponents attacks (which again gives far less). In addition, Morrigan's and Amaterasu's Y assists each give a bit more than 1/3 of a bar of meter, and Felicia has a special move that charges meter over time. You also get a huge bonus to meter generation for any attacks after an aerial exchange. A post exchange combo in the current build can easily generate 2-3 bars of meter.

    Hyper Combos are the name used for super moves in the Versus series, and use one or three stocks of meter. Hypers are usually extremely strong attack moves, but there are also 'utility' hypers with a variety of effects. In addition, attack hypers can be split into a few loose categories, that have slightly different effects. 'Normal' hypers do their attack no matter what. They do much more 'chip' than any other type, but will not stop on a miss or juggle a dead opponent and can leave you with increased vulnerability in some situations. The classic hypers of this type are probably Iron Man's Proton Cannon or Ryu's Shinkuu Hadouken, both of which shoot giant lasers. 'Catch' hypers generally have your character rush towards the enemy and on hit do a 'canned' combination (ie you cannot control it). These have the advantage of being more cinematic in general, and less vulnerable if you totally miss or kill your opponent in the beginning of the move, but can be blocked and do almost no 'chip'. Most level 3 hypers are of the catch variety, but the classic examples are Morrigan's Darkness illusion and Captain America's Final Justice. The third category is throw hypers. Like the description says, they have the same properties as throws, having extremely short range but generally being unblockable. Otherwise they work like the 'catch' hypers. There are very few throw hypers in the game, but Thor, Tron Bonne and M.O.D.O.K. all have one. Finally there are Utility hypers. These do no damage, but have some other useful advantage. The best examples are Wolverine's Berzerker Charge/speed boost, and Morrigan's Astral Vision which makes a copy of her that can hit appear on the opposite side of your opponent.

    DHC's for Delayed Hyper Combos are a special technique in which you interrupt one hyper to tag out and perform your next character's hyper. This is done by inputting the command for the next character's move during the first one, and can be done more than once, involving your whole team. This is in general used to greatly increase the damage of a combo or as a fairly safe way to tag out opponents. DHC's take one level of meter per character involved. It is worth noting that the tagged in character is not guaranteed to hit, even if the first one did. When you DHC the person coming in appears in about the same place as the person leaving, so if you're doing a DHC after say a full-screen laser attack, a short-range physical attack will not reach the opponent before they can recover. You can DHC into level 3 hypers.

    THC stands for Team Hyper Combo, and is utilized by hitting both assist buttons at once. Essentially as many people as as you have bars or characters left will come out and do their hyper combos, to a maximum of three. The hyper used in the THC is determined by the assist chosen.

    Variable Counters are another maneuver that uses meter that are worth mentioning here. In essence, if you enter :f: + A1 or A2 while blocking you will tag out your character and permanently bring in the associated character with their chosen assist . This uses one bar of meter.

    A moment to speak about "Pixel Rage"

    Pixel Rage refers to the way characters seem to not die when they 'should' from looking at the bar. There are a lot of misconceptions about how it actually works, but it's probably good to clear some of them up:

    First, You do not have to start a new move or combo to finish someone after the one that 'should' have killed them. There are plenty of examples of this not being true, but it's been said.

    Second, You do not become actively invulnerable for any period of time after your health reaches '0'. There's simply no evidence of this ever happening.

    A far as we can tell, 'pixel rage' is actually an expansion of the 'guts' concept from SF4, where there is more health 'packed' into the bottom half of your life bar. In the same manner, you should think of the life bar in MvC3 as 'offset' somewhat. There's a small amount of life 'past' the 0 mark on the bar that you can't see. This primarily is a factor at the end of a long combo where extreme damage scaling has taken effect or in efforts to 'chip' someone out with block damage. Capcom has stated that the effect is intentional and isn't going away, and it's presumably in to make the game seem more exciting.

    Some Credits.
    Negative Zer0 for the assist para.
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    Super Jump: Ever wanted to get high? Well a super jump allows you to do so (without those sucky after-effects). Super jumps can help every character become mobile and escape intense situations. After a launcher (in this game Exchange) you can jump the instant after the launch to continue the combo. This is called a SJC (Super Jump Cancel). Some characters (Chun-Li) can jump cancel many of their normals and/or specials.
    OTG= Off The Ground: When an attack is OTG it means that it hits off the ground. In MvC3's case it generally causes a groundbounce (although not all the time). For example, when Amaterasu is in her Glaive stance her charged Jumping C can hit OTG (hits knocked down opponent and causes a bounce) and can be followed up with another move or can be cancled into a Hyper. Other OTG moves are X-23's Ankle Slicer (?), and Wesker's (lower angled) Samurai Edge. Other moves such as Dante's Jam Session, pick up opponents.
    Wall Bounce: In MvC3 wall bounces are a common occurrence. Similar to the ground bounce, a combo can be continued after. The most prime example of this is Wesker's B Ghost Butterfly, or his C Jaguar Kick. Both of which can be followed up with or without his teleports (depending on situations).
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    To do list:

    1) Cool formatting to match the main post.
    2) Inline video examples of various moves and concepts
    3) Blocking mechanics, overhead and chip; unblockables and advancing guard
    4) pixel rage
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    Yup we good. Hope this is well enough. Suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    This thread has been needed for a very long time, nicely done. Don't forget THC, could actually be useful in this game lol.

    Also STICKY.
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    hit the 'report' button to get it stickied (if they wanna :p)

    Can somebody check my work in post 2? Wip of course, but there's some info I'm still not sure of (like exactly how :d:E works in the air, and which direction tags to which partner, etc_
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  • ChindoggChindogg Haters gonna hate. Joined: Posts: 775
    Syke I'd suggest you change Config 2 to:

    A C A1
    B E A2

    Considering the hard/launcher attacks came from the middle buttons in MvC2, this configuration would make a bit more sense.
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  • NickRocksNickRocks BasedGod of All Saiyans Joined: Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yeah, theres no way to tell what config 2 will be til the game comes out :tup:
  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    hit the 'report' button to get it stickied (if they wanna :p)

    Can somebody check my work in post 2? Wip of course, but there's some info I'm still not sure of (like exactly how :d:E works in the air, and which direction tags to which partner, etc_
    I PMed Preppy about it.

    Also I was under the impression that down was another way to make the opponent guest for a air combo tag(definitely seen people do an air tag involving the high ground bounce) and that neutral was the ender that was a really low ground bounce. Get a second opinion though I haven't played it lol.
    Syke I'd suggest you change Config 2 to:

    A C A1
    B E A2

    Considering the hard/launcher attacks came from the middle buttons in MvC2, this configuration would make a bit more sense.

    Yeah thats the "MvC2" layout that people were going to use, you should change it.
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    I *think* :d:E is unbreakable, but I'm not sure if it actually exchanges. To be honest I'm not sure its even in the game anymore, haven't seen it used for a while. But yeah, E just puts them into the inescapable bounce for OTG followup, altho' you can't actually follow it up if you're above the lowest aerial tier.
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    Syke I'd suggest you change Config 2 to:

    A C A1
    B E A2

    Considering the hard/launcher attacks came from the middle buttons in MvC2, this configuration would make a bit more sense.

    My bizzad it was a typo. My brain has been fried today. (I have a paper due) I'm sorry! I failed you ALL!!!!!!!

    Thx for the support fam! By release it'll be hawt if me and Wind get Contribs up the azz
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    I *think* :d:E is unbreakable, but I'm not sure if it actually exchanges. To be honest I'm not sure its even in the game anymore, haven't seen it used for a while. But yeah, E just puts them into the inescapable bounce for OTG followup, altho' you can't actually follow it up if you're above the lowest aerial tier.

    at 1:08 ammy does and up one, and at 2:01 Joe does and up one then ammy does a down one.
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    Hmm, yeah that up/down one at 2:01 is something I hadn't seen before, makes the exchange more useful in general.

    Edit: And out for the evening, Friday night!
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    Yeah I think its actually a 3 or 4 way mixup rather than a 2 way. That means,as long as there is no functional option select, these combos should work more often than not. I'm just worried about those early reports that you could just spin the stick and break free automatically.
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    you can backxE? I thought it was just :u:, :d:, and forwardxE
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  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    you guys figure it out and I'll fix out when I get home... I didn't think 'up' was an option, but somebody whose played recently can figure it out :)

    Edit and offtopic , but where are you getting those great animated boondocks Avs, syke?
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  • corrosivefrostcorrosivefrost Hates "Mahvel" Joined: Posts: 182
    Sticky please.

    Glad you guys went ahead with this. :)
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    you can backxE? I thought it was just :u:, :d:, and forwardxE

    I think you are right, I have no clue what a back would look like unless it looks like a forward.
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    you guys figure it out and I'll fix out when I get home... I didn't think 'up' was an option, but somebody whose played recently can figure it out :)

    Edit and offtopic , but where are you getting those great animated boondocks Avs, syke?

    Made them all in Photoshop. Holla!
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  • SylariSylari Joined: Posts: 1,535
    I think you are right, I have no clue what a back would look like unless it looks like a forward.

    back is forward with the second character jumping in from the other side.
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    back is forward with the second character jumping in from the other side.

    Ok well that makes sense then. I thought it was kinda weird to have only one option to get in one of the characters. So its a 25-25-25-25 mixup or a 50-50 in the worst case scenario where you are dead set on one of your characters and the opponent knows it. Sounds awesome.
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  • .Guy..Guy. STUPID SEXY ROCKET RACCOON! Joined: Posts: 1,892
    Back + E does nothing iirc... >_>

    EDIT: Wat, back counts as an option even though it's the same as forward + E? Weird. Thought they woulda told us that though.

    So four options of air tag then.
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  • NickRocksNickRocks BasedGod of All Saiyans Joined: Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can wavedash in this game by either pressing two (or three) buttons to dash, then pressing them again, or doing it MvC2 style and using dash cancels.

    A dash cancel is when you dash and cancel it by pressing down to crouch. doing this prevents the dash from going through the recovery animation and leaving you free to punish. By dash cancelling you are also immediately able to dash again, thus its called wave dashing for the up down up down motion of consecutive wavedashes
  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    I thought the 3rd button was the cancel and normal wavedashes (with crouching) was no longer possible?
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  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 22,808 mod
    Need to add Double Air Combos, when you launch both and point AND assist character at the same time (hopefully killing the assist).

    Also, prefer L, M, H notation over A, B, C so you can use A as "attack" and 2A as "2 attacks" hypers.
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  • SylariSylari Joined: Posts: 1,535
    Need to add Double Air Combos, when you launch both and point AND assist character at the same time (hopefully killing the assist).

    Also, prefer L, M, H notation over A, B, C so you can use A as "attack" and 2A as "2 attacks" hypers.

    2A looks like a crouching light though. just use AA or AB for hyper notation.
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  • .Guy..Guy. STUPID SEXY ROCKET RACCOON! Joined: Posts: 1,892
    ABC is better for this setup I think.
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  • Jet Set DizzyJet Set Dizzy Night of the Defender Joined: Posts: 2,270
    I thought the 3rd button was the cancel and normal wavedashes (with crouching) was no longer possible?


    I like Syke's notation better also. It fits TvC terminology and just is more natural. And you don't need to cancel to wave dash I think? Last I heard you could just mash out dashes. Deadpoolfan did confirm that you can cancel dashes with crouch though so the old way ir probably possible.
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  • gilleygilley 3D Aminator Joined: Posts: 939
    2A looks like a crouching light though. just use AA or AB for hyper notation.

    Correct, and now you see one of the many reasons why number notation doesn't work well and is really confusing, and why assigning random letters for Light, Mid, Hard attacks is confusing.

    You need to have...
    A = Light attack
    B = Mid attack
    C = Heavy attack
    D = Exchange
    E = Assist 1
    F = Assist 2

    ..for it to make sense. It makes no sense to assign random letters to the attack buttons, but then use abreviated letters for Exchange, Assist1, Assist2. You either need to use abreviated letters for all the buttons(L,M,H,E,A1,A2) or use ABCDEF.

    To people trying to change up notation on a series that's 15 years old....good luck with that.
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    Yo this is some hardcore knowledge being dropped.
  • SylariSylari Joined: Posts: 1,535
    Correct, and now you see one of the many reasons why number notation doesn't work well and is really confusing, and why assigning random letters for Light, Mid, Hard attacks is confusing.

    You need to have...
    A = Light attack
    B = Mid attack
    C = Heavy attack
    D = Exchange
    E = Assist 1
    F = Assist 2

    ..for it to make sense. It makes no sense to assign random letters to the attack buttons, but then use abreviated letters for Exchange, Assist1, Assist2. You either need to use abreviated letters for all the buttons(L,M,H,E,A1,A2) or use ABCDEF.

    To people trying to change up notation on a series that's 15 years old....good luck with that.

    Why doesn't ABCEA1A2 work? Since those are what the buttons are actually referred to as? >_> They're not really "random" letters, just what the buttons are referred to as..
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  • gilleygilley 3D Aminator Joined: Posts: 939
    Why doesn't ABCEA1A2 work? Since those are what the buttons are actually referred to as? >_> They're not really "random" letters, just what the buttons are referred to as..

    It doesn't work because it's inconsistent. And that's not what the buttons are referred to as. It's not what the names of the buttons were in TvC and it's not what the names of the buttons are in MvC3. In both games, the attack buttons are light, medium, hard.
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  • NickRocksNickRocks BasedGod of All Saiyans Joined: Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the 3rd button was the cancel and normal wavedashes (with crouching) was no longer possible?

    nope, at NYCC i was able to wavedash with two buttons and pressing down between dashes AND just mashing dash. first way felt more comfortable though, half the time an attack would come out when i mashed dash
  • NickRocksNickRocks BasedGod of All Saiyans Joined: Posts: 14,373 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Correct, and now you see one of the many reasons why number notation doesn't work well and is really confusing, and why assigning random letters for Light, Mid, Hard attacks is confusing.

    You need to have...
    A = Light attack
    B = Mid attack
    C = Heavy attack
    D = Exchange
    E = Assist 1
    F = Assist 2

    ..for it to make sense. It makes no sense to assign random letters to the attack buttons, but then use abreviated letters for Exchange, Assist1, Assist2. You either need to use abreviated letters for all the buttons(L,M,H,E,A1,A2) or use ABCDEF.

    To people trying to change up notation on a series that's 15 years old....good luck with that.

    yeah not really a fan of the ABC thing, but it wont matter, when i write info on characters ill just write LMH
  • gilleygilley 3D Aminator Joined: Posts: 939
    yeah not really a fan of the ABC thing, but it wont matter, when i write info on characters ill just write LMH

    I will probably be doing the same. I'm a big fan of using the names of the buttons that's listed in the command lists(or abreviations). The problem is there's a bunch of people that are starting to adopt this other way.

    Here's a perfect example to get the point across...

    The Tekken community uses a similar notation for their buttons, instead of LP,RP,LK,RK they use the numbers 1,2,3,4 for each button respectively. This is a reasonable labeling method for the buttons. This is similar to what people are attempting to do with this TvC/MvC3 button notation(A,B,C). Let's say, for example, the Tekken community labeled their buttons similar to how people are trying to label the buttons for TvC/MvC3. It would look kind of like this...

    1 2
    3 RK

    Looks kind of dumb doesn't it? Why label RK as RK in this example...why not 4? It's inconsistent. Labeling the TvC/MvC3 buttons as A,B,C,E,A1,A2 is just as inconsistent. Just out of curiosity, who the hell came up with the TvC button labels?
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    It doesn't work because it's inconsistent. And that's not what the buttons are referred to as. It's not what the names of the buttons were in TvC and it's not what the names of the buttons are in MvC3. In both games, the attack buttons are light, medium, hard.

    True, but the accepted TvC notation has always been A,B,C despite the "official" names.

    Personally, I've never played TvC and MvC3's system is a new beast, so I'll be fine with adopting A,B,C or L,M,H. Whatever is the accepted and non-confusing standard. It does need to be accepted asap, imo.

    Number notation can go to hell, though. Leave that in Soul Calibur and VF.
  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    I still like :snka: :snkb: :snkc: :assta: :asstb: and... the problem is it leaves out Exchange. Somebody should make an 'exchange button smiley' and get it added, that'd fix all the problems :D


    Damn also looks like I was using massively old/outdated info for assists, right now I'm gonna put it as 'any direction to move the opponent that direction and tag' until we know for sure better.

    Edited for typo.

    Edit again: I'm all homo for Syke for the bitchin' avatar.

    Third edit: Added some stuff about assisting and tagging, somebody check the work :P
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    You could write about simple mode too.
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 22,808 mod
    Another thing is, you show a guy who isn't aware of BlazBlue/TvC notation this and they'll jest get confused. Especially since the 360 has A and B buttons as well.
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  • razorXZrazorXZ Joined: Posts: 245
    I am also against that A,B,C,E,1,2 nonsense; it is way too inconsistent and shitty.
    Hopefully, we can get rid of it in time before it becomes a standard.

    L,M,H,E,A1,A2 is the way to go, in my opinion. I am sure smileys for them can be easily derived once we can get a consensus on it. I HATE that ABC stuff with a passion.

    L ____ M ____ H
    E ____ A1 ____ A2


    L ____ H ____ A1
    M ____ E ____ A2
  • WindsagioWindsagio OG random Joined: Posts: 2,506
    The important things are stability and consistency, and pretty much the community has gone with A/B/C/E/A1/A2. Trying to change that now would only be more disruptive. Anyways, the important thing is that out marches the key in the first post... Anything else would be confusing.

    Edit: imo the ABC notation also makes sense for beginners in that it shows the flow of magic series better. Also to me more natural to type :p
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  • Robo-mitsuRobo-mitsu Shinobiest Bitch! Joined: Posts: 2,983
    Great thread! :tup: And yeah, switching from A,B,C now would be disruptive. It's stuck.
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  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    I don't get the confusion tbh. The official scheme is ABC so idk about the complaints
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  • .Guy..Guy. STUPID SEXY ROCKET RACCOON! Joined: Posts: 1,892
    LMHEA1A2 is more inconsistent than this dude...ABCE at least follows alphabetically, though D is skipped. I like ABCE better, but really, I don't give a damn. We HAVE been using ABCE for some time though...so have other forums.
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    nice thread syke! we needed one of these.
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  • AlidfeAlidfe Joined: Posts: 969
    For my character thread I think I'm just going to use

    Q - Quick attack
    S - Strong Attack
    F - Fierce Attack
    X - eXchange
    P - Primary partner tag team special
    A - Auxiliary partner tag team special

    And type out "Canceling the active and recovery frames of your hyper combos by activating X-Factor" longhand every time.


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  • razorXZrazorXZ Joined: Posts: 245
    Why are we trying to change the way the buttons have been named for years in this series? Is it because we lost definitive kick and punch buttons?

    When we lost HK and HP, no one was going around saying "oh shit, this is mad complicated lets name the buttons A,B,C,D,A1,A2." It became, gasp, LP,MP,LK,MK. So why exactly are we doing this now? What purpose does it serve? How do these new random letters for these buttons make things easier?

    What is broke, that we are trying so hard to fix?


    Oh, and if it is true, which I doubt, that capcomjapan is the one officially naming these buttons random letters, we need someone in the community to attack them with grilling questions ASAP. This shit will NOT stick, god forbid.
  • Syke1Syke1 The Postcards Need Blotters Children Joined: Posts: 9,156 mod
    We aren't dying to fix anything. On release the buttons were named ABC, we can't name buttons LP LK HP because that's not what they are named. Characters don't even all punch and kick anymore but use weapons. Hot damn the whole board has been using ABC since announcement day. Is it THAT big of a deal.
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  • .Guy..Guy. STUPID SEXY ROCKET RACCOON! Joined: Posts: 1,892
    We are all going to die.

    Wait, since LMH/ABC/ W/E aren't dedicated punches/kicks, we'd HAVE to change the letters. So.... >_>

    And again, they're not random nor are they new. =/
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