KOF 98UM Final Edition?

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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    As I said I understand that, people want the underdog to win, they get tired of seeing the same thing over and over and over, as I told you I understand that, but at the same time people have to understand I see both sides of the story, and so I see both arguments, the one you are talking about, and the one of the player that is playing his best characters and people hate him because he's winning most of the time AND they just happen to be high/top tier and talk about they don't respect them etc etc.

    These people say they don't respect them, but deep inside they do, and they know they do, people just like the underdog/bandwagon approach etc. If they didn't respect these players then they would take them up on a money match first to 10 for $200 right instead of talking behind their backs and then disappearing when they confront them on it no? So yes most of this "lack of respect" stuff is mostly behind the back talk that people know they damn well wouldn't say to that particular person because then they will be exposed for the phony/fraud they are!...yawn...been there seen that LMFAO.

    So I understand why you consider the Asians better, you understand why I consider whoever wins better...as I said, to me it's simple, winning is everything, be it if its with the worst characters in the game, or the best..I do not like excuses, you put your best foot forward in a tournament, whoever that is, because heaven forbid what are people going to say if it just happens to be low tier players? People automatically are going to make excuses.."Well what did you expect he was using ADON?"

    Or since people put the Asians on a pedestal, heaven forbid if they lose to someone they consider inferior like the Mexicans since these people believe the Asians have the "Midas Touch" (Whatever they touch turns to gold/wins)..

    They make excuses...

    I don't like excuses whatsoever, if you win you win, if you lose you lose.

    Also you are looping the Asians into one category are you not? What about people in Brazil/South America that play low tiers and stuff like that? There are many sides to the story even in Latin America further South than Mexico that you are not considering...

    It's not just about Mexico vs. Asia.... Mexico vs. Japan is a small part of the story, which will turn into Mexico vs. Taiwan, I mean look at Kensou from DF, he uses Ramon, Kensou, Athena, he could be your COLA so to speak in Mexico, does well with low tiers in tournaments... (sans Athena)
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • nitro2345nitro2345 Joined: Posts: 43
    As I said I understand that, people want the underdog to win, they get tired of seeing the same thing over and over and over, as I told you I understand that, but at the same time people have to understand I see both sides of the story, and so I see both arguments, the one you are talking about, and the one of the player that is playing his best characters and people hate him because he's winning most of the time AND they just happen to be high/top tier and talk about they don't respect them etc etc.

    These people say they don't respect them, but deep inside they do, and they know they do, people just like the underdog/bandwagon approach etc. If they didn't respect these players then they would take them up on a money match first to 10 for $200 right instead of talking behind their backs and then disappearing when they confront them on it no? So yes most of this "lack of respect" stuff is mostly behind the back talk that people know they damn well wouldn't say to that particular person because then they will be exposed for the phony/fraud they are!...yawn...been there seen that LMFAO.

    So I understand why you consider the Asians better, you understand why I consider whoever wins better...as I said, to me it's simple, winning is everything, be it if its with the worst characters in the game, or the best..I do not like excuses, you put your best foot forward in a tournament, whoever that is, because heaven forbid what are people going to say if it just happens to be low tier players? People automatically are going to make excuses.."Well what did you expect he was using ADON?"

    Or since people put the Asians on a pedestal, heaven forbid if they lose to someone they consider inferior like the Mexicans since these people believe the Asians have the "Midas Touch" (Whatever they touch turns to gold/wins)..

    They make excuses...

    I don't like excuses whatsoever, if you win you win, if you lose you lose.

    Also you are looping the Asians into one category are you not? What about people in Brazil/South America that play low tiers and stuff like that? There are many sides to the story even in Latin America further South than Mexico that you are not considering...

    It's not just about Mexico vs. Asia.... Mexico vs. Japan is a small part of the story, which will turn into Mexico vs. Taiwan, I mean look at Kensou from DF, he uses Ramon, Kensou, Athena, he could be your COLA so to speak in Mexico, does well with low tiers in tournaments... (sans Athena)

    well maybe the word admiration is more proper than respect, and u can't know if "deep inside" we do or not, I know who I respect and who I don't,and I wouldn't call it underdogs, I prefer to call them brave, innovative and talented. also are u accusing me and the people that share my views of being frauds? what do you want me /us to do ? what do you mean by confronting them? want me to go personally to tell them what qualities a good player has? or why asians are better?and make them a list of what they have and lack of? and would they beat me in a game of kof after that? of course they would no question, I don't invest even a fraction of the time they have spent in kof ,but what would that proove? will that gave them the qualities they lack? would that make them better players? no. So what point would that have.

    Ok, I'm glad that those mexicans players can compete at that level with those characters , I haven't heard of them but that's good =) about the asians having the midas touch no , that's probably what people like emill thinks, but Mexico has proven them wrong
  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    I'm talking about something in general, there will always be exceptions to the rule..but its something I've seen in my own personal shoes from being on the opposite side of the equation, the you know the guy hated and the people that talk behind others backs but vanish like ninjas when you put them to the fire, that other situation I told you about, so I am speaking in general terms etc and about mainly people here in the UNITED STATES.

    Not all the people are how I speak of, but I have seen a LOT of them that way...

    Plus different countries have different cultures etc and I have seen different attitudes in Mexico than I have in the USA, matter of fact the differences couldn't be anymore apparent, like night and day..which is a different topic altogether. So how about those Krauser nerfs in Final Edition everyone? LOL.

    Another person even in Juarez you aren't considering- Hugo. Hugo uses Terry, Andy, Joe, Benimaru! He Got Top 6 in the Battle 4 Mexico 2010 tournament, he eliminated Alexis in the 2nd Round!

    Kensou was also at this tournament, all you gotta do is look up my Battle 4 Mexico footage on my youtube account.
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • nitro2345nitro2345 Joined: Posts: 43
    I'm talking about something in general, there will always be exceptions to the rule..but its something I've seen in my own personal shoes from being on the opposite side of the equation, the you know the guy hated and the people that talk behind others backs but vanish like ninjas when you put them to the fire, that other situation I told you about, so I am speaking in general terms etc and about mainly people here in the UNITED STATES.

    Not all the people are how I speak of, but I have seen a LOT of them that way...

    Plus different countries have different cultures etc and I have seen different attitudes in Mexico than I have in the USA, matter of fact the differences couldn't be anymore apparent, like night and day..which is a different topic altogether. So how about those Krauser nerfs in Final Edition everyone? LOL.

    Another person even in Juarez you aren't considering- Hugo. Hugo uses Terry, Andy, Joe, Benimaru! He Got Top 6 in the Battle 4 Mexico 2010 tournament, he eliminated Alexis in the 2nd Round!

    Kensou was also at this tournament, all you gotta do is look up my Battle 4 Mexico footage on my youtube account.

    lol yeah actually hugo is one of my favorites, I was going to mention him earlier but I forgot lol I have seen him owning wih ralf and kyo too, I would chek that out
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    about the asians having the midas touch no , that's probably what people like emill thinks, but Mexico has proven them wrong

    And how has Mexico proven them wrong again?
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  • nitro2345nitro2345 Joined: Posts: 43
    And how has Mexico proven them wrong again?

    how? beating the average japanese player that should have won if they really had that midas touch just by beign Japanese
  • necronomiCRONnecronomiCRON "IPPEN SHINU DE KOI! Joined: Posts: 109
    Dark Geese, not all Asian players have the Midas touch. No one is saying that all Asians are good at KoF. I think the claim, at least my claim, is that the best Asians play better than the best Mexicans. You're just so damn blind and ignorant to the facts.

    You're so stuck on Mexicans dicks, that you probably don't take the time to look at you tube footage of Asian tournaments. There isn't just GGPO videos, there's a myriad of good Asian tournaments that you're taking for granted. I can even tell you're one dimensional. I mean that Bata guy....sure he lost, but he's certainly not the best by any means.

    I thought a couple Mexicans were pretty damn good myself, but when I watched Dakou and Xiaohai play for the first time the only thing I could say was wow!
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  • rogueyoshirogueyoshi Nothing Comes Easy Joined: Posts: 1,928
    it amazes me how every thread in this forum ends up like this
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  • BloodyStagBloodyStag Not Bleeding Deer Joined: Posts: 100
    Can we refrain from bashing u.s players based on personal experience or past bad encounters. That's not the topic at hand

    Question is about what or where 98 final will be released. you're entitled to your own opinions about 98 UM or vanilla, whatever. there's a new rebalance coming out. Try actually playing the game before you decide on how stupid it is or etc etc.

    snk community will never grow if people keep dismissing games solely on speculation. There are games out there that are based or hae been based around tier lists surely, but you play the game and dissect it before lashing out about the quality. I could very easily say "Iori, Daimon, Chizaru are stupid. I don't like that characters, and I see them played a LOT so fuck that game" same deal with krauser, geese, same deal with gato, oswalkd, kula in 11, or billy, athena, choi in 2k2 or K,Kasumi, nameless in 2k2 um. or testament, slayer, eddie in ggac

    if you see other teams played, ignore the tiers. they're not there to guide you to who you're playing. infact most tier lists are based around either 1. What is played/seen the most or 2. Matchup charts.
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    Tatsunoko vs Capcom: Batsu, Morrigan.
    MBAC: Wallachia, Aoko, Miyako, Ciel.
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    ST:HD: Bison, Sagat
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    it amazes me how every thread in this forum ends up like this

    Damn right,

    IMO

    I hate how some people look at the Koreans like when they play its a totally different game. A Korean Brain is no different from anybody else's any one can get on that skill level. Im looking forward to be on that skill level some day. Mexico is very much on there skill level they play the same damn game that the Koreans do. Same characters, same moves, SAME GAME PERIOD.


    The Game has been out for 8 - 10 Years or longer mostly everywhere. Im sure Mexico has been playing it for that long competitively,and sure Japan has been playing it for that long competitively. Therefore im pretty damn sure the Best and wise players from both countries know the same damn game in & out like the back of they hand. Im pretty sure both countries seen it all and done it all to the full by now.

    Therefore from the way I see it were no different from each other. Mexico and the Koreans competing together would just be some exciting & entertaining shit to see for the KOF community PERIOD.

    No one really has the upper hand here. Where all pretty much on the same playing field. Or until will get some KOF cup started like DG said to see who is really the best at the moment.

    I've watch the matches with the Japan & China players Xiaohai vs. Dakou. It look like the same old Iori, Damion, Kyo mixups and Mind-games thats been happening for some time now that I've seen everywhere else. Like Mexico and etc. & everywhere else were KOF is pushed to its limit and played at a high level competitively. Its nothing new. It just a good match fought out between two elite kof players THATS IT.

    At the end of the day I wish certain people can stop swinging from Korean ball sacks and realize many people are playing at there level this time in age not just them. The game been out for ages yall. Be Real...Many people we probably don't even know could be playing it competitively at its full potential by now like the Koreans. Some people need to stop contradicting there selfs and look at the bigger picture.

    BTW this thread is way of topic lmao
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Necro-Wrong wrong wrong again son. I remember every argument you guys have given me, since the beginning with astonishment that Mexicans even can compete with the Japanese etc, and NOW finally, you guys are changing your TUNE saying that its now the Best Mexicans vs. the Best Asians..That means I have succeeded if you guys are changing your tune, so now time to keep you guys opening your minds, because prior to what I did trust me people like you, Emil and everyone was shitting on the Mexicans as having NO CHANCE against the Japanese etc and everyone in this room knows I speak the truth.

    You guys are changing your argument midstream. My argument has been the same and still is: and my argument is you do not know who is the best until they play, be it Koreans, Brazilians, Mexicans, Japanese, etc, people need to realize across the world as BDC said, there are people playing at a high level just as good if not better than these people across the world be it Asians or what-have-you esp in KOF, KOF is the most played fighting game in the world...

    My job is to open doors and show people that they live in a bubble. If the Mexicans lose to Hummer guess what? That still benefits ME..why? Because that makes the Mexico vs. Japan war STRONG, it then really gets people talking. Either way it benefits ME, that's also something you guys fail to see, the very idea that you are in here talking about it means I HAVE SUCCEEDED, you are talking about something I am RUNNING/SETTING UP! There is a saying "Any type of publicity is GOOD PUBLICITY."'

    For me who wins be it Mexican, Japanese, Brazilian I can live with, that is what you guys miss. I give people the CHANCE to prove themselves, I hype them up, I give them the spotlight, IT IS THEN THAT THEY MUST PROVE THEMSELVES.

    So it's not me dick riding, I believe everyone has a shot, and Mexico better be on guard in Peru, because Peru wants a chance to prove their worth, that is what I am all about man, if anyone has been riding stuff it's been you guys riding the Japanese, all I am is Don King remember that, I hype things up, I create controversy, excitement, and it is UP TO THE PLAYERS TO PLAY AND WIN..I do not have anything to do with that, I give them the stage, the respect, the chance they want, IT IS UP TO THEM TO PLAY.

    But with that said I do ENJOY proving you guys wrong, you all use online as your Holy Bible to say Japan> than the world, and I am using offline to get you guys changing your story to what it is now, which is "The Best Mexicans vs. the Best Asians."

    God is my witness people that was NOT the argument this past January/February, or hell pre-2010...and that is my point..that means I have opened eyes which means SUCCESS.
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • RemxiRemxi Mithan's Robe Joined: Posts: 297
    Will you fucking clowns keep your stupid pissing contest in one thread? I'm sick of reading this shit in what should be a thread discussing 98UMFE.
  • necronomiCRONnecronomiCRON "IPPEN SHINU DE KOI! Joined: Posts: 109
    I think what I posted goes without saying. You really expect us to believe that ALL Asians are capable of defeating the mexicans in KoF. Of course we're talking about the best players. You really think we'd be retarded enough to think an Asian that doesn't play the game enough has a chance of winning? Maybe we should be more explicit so you can actually comprehend something......

    Anyway I've broken the rules in this thread enough. The title is "KOF 98UM Final Edition?". Get back to actually talking about the topic at hand.
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Necro- That is what was coming from you guys corner a year ago and even in the past, what I am saying is you guys have changed your tune and you aren't even admitting it, which is fine with me, it's like what happens if Hummer loses? Let me tell you what is going to happen, you guys still are going to come up with some excuse to NOT give anything I say credit and that is how it is always going to continue, that is how it has always been in the past and that is my point, I prove you guys wrong and you all just get silent and not give any credit to what I say...that's the main point here. Now enough of this we can always take this to the Online Thread as I am going to..back to 98UMFE.
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • Lord_RaptorLord_Raptor Joined: Posts: 8,809
    Jesus fucking christ, shut the fuck up no one cares anymore about these pissing contest. And didn't you say you were done with SRK??
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    Fucking Japan Testicle Swingers are ridiculous. Keep thinking what yall wana think. Mexico players clearly proven they play on the same level japan does if you would just open your eyes, DG know this personally.

    Game been out for over a decade in Japan and Mexico, and Proven to be played at its extreme limit competitively by top players from both. It an EVEN match foreal no ones better PERIOD leave it at that. Where fighting amongst ourselves.

    However, Some still think for some mystical reason Mexico is the underdog of Japan cause of what little we see in Videos and Etc.... When both Japan & Mexico Top players skills are reasonably equal nether the less if you weren't so stubborn & could get the full picture.

    But whatever....Keep Swinging stay impassive in yall mind and believe what misinterpreted nonsense yall wana believe.


    Thats all i gotta say. Now =) hope we can talk about something else in this forum instead of tiers list that don't generally matter, and get some actual info about this Ultimate Match Final Edition, Cause im Pumped for it. Im gonna be searching for info constantly when i can, about UM Final edition. I hope others do to and keep us updated with the latest news for KOF UM :FE Please. Anyways Get HYPE:woot:
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Raptor what I am doing right now is all a part of the big plan, what I am doing even right now on SRK benefits my tournament in March, I am basically here to hype up my tournament in March...by any means necessary. I'm here raising awareness for it, then I am going to dissappear until it gets closer to tournament time then I will be back..it's all strategic my friend! =)

    Now I hope 98FE is out by the time of the tournament, but they are talking about it's release date being Winter of 2011, which should that be the date it better be a sufficient update, not like Tougeki of 2002 UM, it had better have more characters (Angel lololol) more changes, drastic tweaks, buffs to some characters the WORKS...
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • Lord_RaptorLord_Raptor Joined: Posts: 8,809
    I have no problem with you hypeing up your tournament but do that and the online arguing int he threads meant for it. And change wise other than maybe adding some more people in I acn't think of anything that really needs to be done other than toning Krauser down a bit, increasing Recovery on Reppuken for EX Geese slightly, and buffs for some of the lower characters. One thing I'm wondering is if things like Kim's stomp glitch will be removed or not.
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    I have no problem with you hypeing up your tournament but do that and the online arguing int he threads meant for it. And change wise other than maybe adding some more people in I acn't think of anything that really needs to be done other than toning Krauser down a bit, increasing Recovery on Reppuken for EX Geese slightly, and buffs for some of the lower characters. One thing I'm wondering is if things like Kim's stomp glitch will be removed or not.

    I actually have been trying to redirect this online talking for a while LOL if you look back in these threads but the people just keep on going and going and going so I wait for a stopping point and now I have already 100% taken it to the online threads so we can talk about the game at hand.

    I agree EX Geese's Reppuken needs to be toned down, if not that then tone down his far st.C and his cr.C. You can see here Kula plays him straight up and it is super annoying the way he plays him: (To get on topic and keep it that way)



    Also I think Krausers qcb-f+k grab should have longer recovery, Krauser's Deadly Rave should be more punishable, and reduce Krauser's damage overall. Now I am not one to complain or whine about characters, tiers, any of that, I deal with it, but since we are talking about what should be toned down etc I thought I would contribute and give my input into it as well as post why showing those videos.

    And yes, Kula is a fucking monster in 98UM....xD
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • Da BoogeymanDa Boogeyman Joined: Posts: 2,292
    Just wished they'd port it to PS3, best game ever
  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Just wished they'd port it to PS3, best game ever

    They could, if Sony let them, but Sony doesnt like games that don't have SFIV esque pretty graphics lol.
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • CiberneticoCibernetico Joined: Posts: 307
    Just saw an interview with Steve Harrison and he asked about Final Edition. The guy doing the interview said that FE will have around 10 new characters. Does anyone know where he got this information from cause I've yet to see any kind of info regarding any new character additions to this game.
  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Just saw an interview with Steve Harrison and he asked about Final Edition. The guy doing the interview said that FE will have around 10 new characters. Does anyone know where he got this information from cause I've yet to see any kind of info regarding any new character additions to this game.

    According to some background info I have dug up, that isn't necessarily the case. The number of characters if there going to be any is undecided at this time right now...

    So the ten characters is something I have determined is unfounded..
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    how? beating the average japanese player that should have won if they really had that midas touch just by beign Japanese

    Who? Danke? They had a lot of trouble beating him...his gameplay (from the videos uploaded) was on par or better than most of those mexicans, but I didn't see him vs. Kula.
    And yes, Kula is a fucking monster in 98UM....xD

    He's ok...sorry but he'd get slaughtered by the majority of the average kof98UM players in Japan, no question about it...nevermind players like Naruto, MAX, 777, etc.
    Fucking Japan Testicle Swingers are ridiculous. Keep thinking what yall wana think. Mexico players clearly proven they play on the same level japan does if you would just open your eyes, DG know this personally.

    Lol, no, you don't know anything....especially if you're talking about kof98UM, there's absolutely no way you can equate Mexico to be on the level of Japan. Trying to put an end to the argument by saying they are equal is bad.
    I hate how some people look at the Koreans like when they play its a totally different game. A Korean Brain is no different from anybody else's any one can get on that skill level. Im looking forward to be on that skill level some day. Mexico is very much on there skill level they play the same damn game that the Koreans do. Same characters, same moves, SAME GAME PERIOD.


    The Game has been out for 8 - 10 Years or longer mostly everywhere. Im sure Mexico has been playing it for that long competitively,and sure Japan has been playing it for that long competitively. Therefore im pretty damn sure the Best and wise players from both countries know the same damn game in & out like the back of they hand. Im pretty sure both countries seen it all and done it all to the full by now.

    Therefore from the way I see it were no different from each other. Mexico and the Koreans competing together would just be some exciting & entertaining shit to see for the KOF community PERIOD.

    No one really has the upper hand here. Where all pretty much on the same playing field. Or until will get some KOF cup started like DG said to see who is really the best at the moment.

    I've watch the matches with the Japan & China players Xiaohai vs. Dakou. It look like the same old Iori, Damion, Kyo mixups and Mind-games thats been happening for some time now that I've seen everywhere else. Like Mexico and etc. & everywhere else were KOF is pushed to its limit and played at a high level competitively. Its nothing new. It just a good match fought out between two elite kof players THATS IT.

    Please please stop, you don't know anything about playstyles, metagames, kof in general. It's very clear. You aren't on the level to notice any sort of major or minor intracacies in a player's choices, nor do you even know the limits that these games can be pushed to.
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    Emil and everyone else, just FYI, we have taken this discussion to the online thread my friend, so unless it's related to the game at hand, please don't discuss it here, I know you are just getting in late my friend, but I wanna make sure now that everyone stays on the topic at hand because it's been hard enough to divert it to the online thread.

    Now ontopic, do I think Kula would lose to those players right now in 98UM? Probably so, there are games he is stronger in I think like 2002 UM and other games, not to mention according to those in Mexico, there are stronger players like Caras in 98 than Kula, so there is a lot to unfold depending. But do I think Kula would beat damn near anyone from the USA up through Canada in 98 with ease? Yes.
    **The KOF Cup 2011: March 10-14th, CDJ, Mexico w/Hummer from JAPAN!**
    **Mexico vs. Japan Part III!!**
  • AnakronAnakron Alpha Male Joined: Posts: 2,391
    Discussion? You mean beating of the dead horse, right?
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932

    Emil a rumor that that 10 new characters could be in final edition should be any KOF fan main attention right now. I dont give a damn about your bias opinions any more emil. This is not the place to be arguing about this meaningless conflict anyway as said many time before where being inconsiderate about the topic of this forum.

    Arguing about who is better or worse when both of the best from both countries have not even officially competed against each other. Where stating opinions and not facts, and arguing of opinions is meaningless (Therefore I dont give a damn about what your personally think anymore, you know why because its "What you personally think" Keep Swinging. And if you have solid facts this ain't the forum for it).


    I wana know more info about this 10 characters. Thats what up, if its true then its really gonna change the game. Thank for the info ciber.:woot:
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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    Emil and everyone else, just FYI, we have taken this discussion to the online thread my friend, so unless it's related to the game at hand, please don't discuss it here, I know you are just getting in late my friend, but I wanna make sure now that everyone stays on the topic at hand because it's been hard enough to divert it to the online thread.

    I didn't want to have this discussion here, but it's really hard to ignore a post as bad as his.
    Now ontopic, do I think Kula would lose to those players right now in 98UM? Probably so, there are games he is stronger in I think like 2002 UM and other games, not to mention according to those in Mexico, there are stronger players like Caras in 98 than Kula, so there is a lot to unfold depending. But do I think Kula would beat damn near anyone from the USA up through Canada in 98 with ease? Yes.

    Yes, he'd beat pretty much anyone in the US/Canada...except maybe some Chinese living here, but I haven't really seen their 98UM skills.
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  • Dark GeeseDark Geese Joined: Posts: 12,439
    I didn't want to have this discussion here, but it's really hard to ignore a post as bad as his.



    Yes, he'd beat pretty much anyone in the US/Canada...except maybe some Chinese living here, but I haven't really seen their 98UM skills.

    I'd also actually take Kula over Bata in 98UM, and reason for that being is that Kula handles pressure better than Bata does, when under stress Kula doesn't flinch, but Bata was getting very frustrated too easily, to the point where we had to tell him to relax, like "It's okay man, just relax, calm down."

    In November the Kula-Bata Challenge would be interesting to see. Plus I think all I need to do is motivate Kula and he will train hardcore in 98UM, if I tell him Bata who was #30 in 98UM last time I heard is coming, Kula will train very hard in 98UM...
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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    I'd also actually take Kula over Bata in 98UM, and reason for that being is that Kula handles pressure better than Bata does, when under stress Kula doesn't flinch, but Bata was getting very frustrated too easily, to the point where we had to tell him to relax, like "It's okay man, just relax, calm down."

    Nah...I'm sure would act the same when his controls are not responding as intended...as would I.
    Arguing about who is better or worse when both of the best from both countries have not even officially competed against each other. Where stating opinions and not facts, and arguing of opinions is meaningless

    What opinions? The matches are right there, the gameplay is shown in clear view. And lol @ being hypocritical...where did you get your ideas that they are equal in skill level? Supposedly the same source I did...only difference is one of us doesn't understand what he's watching.

    Bottom line is, you don't understand the metagames and the basis for the choices players make, not to mention the limits of the games. If you did, you would see a pretty clear difference between Mexican kof98/kof98UM and Japanese...man even one of the main Mexican people involved in these discussions, says Dakou and Xiaohai would kill everyone in Mexico in kof98 if they came.

    You know what? I think that if I came on GGPO and beat you badly, you would probably think I'm on the same level as those elites.
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    Nah...I'm sure would act the same when his controls are not responding as intended...as would I.



    What opinions? The matches are right there, the gameplay is shown in clear view. And lol @ being hypocritical...where did you get your ideas that they are equal in skill level? Supposedly the same source I did...only difference is one of us doesn't understand what he's watching.

    Bottom line is, you don't understand the metagames and the basis for the choices players make, not to mention the limits of the games. If you did, you would see a pretty clear difference between Mexican kof98/kof98UM and Japanese...man even one of the main Mexican people involved in these discussions, says Dakou and Xiaohai would kill everyone in Mexico in kof98 if they came.

    You know what? I think that if I came on GGPO and beat you badly, you would probably think I'm on the same level as those elites.

    Lmao, Im saying there equal at the moment cause both of the top players from both countries half not fought it out between each other yet so, no one should be able to say whos the best and who not.

    I say again this is not the place to be talking about this. Just ambitiously not giving a damn about the topic....rude.

    I dont care if you beat me . Shit im glad to say Im horrible and pursing to get better. Lol, and if you beat me badly on ggpo you think i believe your were on the same level no, no. no Puttin words in my mouth stop that shit.

    First or all if you beat me on ggpo i would care less. Thinking i would consider you elite just cause you could beat me badly...I've been OCV'd plenty of times but I dont consider them Elite players ON GGPO for that matter dont put fucking words in my mouth you damn ambitious hypocrite... It would be nice to play you in in real life which most likely would not happen. Which im putting my mind to now...Offline practice to get better at a game i love and competition PERIOD.
    ...man even one of the main Mexican people involved in these discussions, says Dakou and Xiaohai would kill everyone in Mexico in kof98 if they came.

    Lol, thats One. , Im sure not all Mexicans would believe Xiaohai and Dakou would kill everyone at KOF98 in there country Thats, just underestimate yourself before anything official happens.

    P.S. Fuck GGPO...If people have to deal with playing GGPO only you better have an excellent excuse. Otherwise offline is were its at where i can meet and conversate personally with other KOF fans and where im going to pursue most of my playtime for KOF cause that how much i like the game.

    Please in the name of god lets get back to the topic. lol
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  • CiberneticoCibernetico Joined: Posts: 307
    Regarding these supposed 10 new characters, who could it possibly be? Unless they are EX characters? Reason I say that, is because I could have sworn everyone from 94-97 was represented in the 98 games. Unless they will add new characters from post 98 which would sorta suck if you ask me. Of course, maybe they wanna see how K would play like in the 98 systems?

    On a side note.... to Bigdaddycane, did you attend NEC and the upcoming tourney back in the same hotel? If so, do you play Garou?
  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    Lmao, Im saying there equal at the moment cause both of the top players from both countries half not fought it out between each other yet so, no one should be able to say whos the best and who not.

    Well aside from this point not making sense, it's actually not what you based your initial claim on if you read your first post. Stop backpeddling.
    I dont care if you beat me . Shit im glad to say Im horrible and pursing to get better. Lol, and if you beat me badly on ggpo you think i believe your were on the same level no, no. no Puttin words in my mouth stop that shit.

    I didn't say you said that, I'm saying what you would probably say, based on your lack of analysis of the matches that you showed in your previous post.
    Lol, thats One. , Im sure not all Mexicans would believe Xiaohai and Dakou would kill everyone at KOF98 in there country Thats, just underestimate yourself before anything official happens.

    No, it's actually understanding your own capabilities, then seeing what they have that you don't (from the constant stream of videos that they have), then realizing the gap in skill. It's pretty common sense...I don't have to fight Daigo to know that there is a big gap in skill level. I also don't have to see Daigo fight some random dragon punching Ken to know that Daigo is a better player either.

    If you didn't make such a bad post, I wouldn't be attacking you...don't just say shit and then try to become immune to criticism.
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    Regarding these supposed 10 new characters, who could it possibly be? Unless they are EX characters? Reason I say that, is because I could have sworn everyone from 94-97 was represented in the 98 games. Unless they will add new characters from post 98 which would sorta suck if you ask me. Of course, maybe they wanna see how K would play like in the 98 systems?

    On a side note.... to Bigdaddycane, did you attend NEC and the upcoming tourney back in the same hotel? If so, do you play Garou?

    Ya probably ex characters,


    Side note
    Emil cool, doesn't matter, Hey apologies...all smiles

    Ciber, Could not make it, dont have the money, Mofo struggling here with bills and etc. Me and my bro been half assin my rent for 8 months because slow employment, Could not even put money toward NEC when we gotta live off hotdogs and bread and got $800+ dollar school loans you feel me fucking Sallie Mae with they threating emails, every dollar to the cent i have is important for now and cant do to anything else im somewhat trapped.

    I heard about KOF being there and I DAMN sure wanted to be there but as i explain i cant.

    But if any one near center city or up in north philly wana play someone learning let me know. PM, i need some off-line practice and trying get better cant travel far but wherever the bus go or I can walk im AT Lol. I gotta a Xbox arcade stick, dont mind playing on controller, or any thing else as long as im playing and learning=).

    edit : and yea i play a little Garou, love the game, gotta get better at the Fient Cancels, game is insane
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    looking forward to ex benimaru and ex chin
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    They should add a RB2 Team comprised of Xiang-Fei, Rick Strowd and Alfred Airhawk.
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  • nitro2345nitro2345 Joined: Posts: 43
    In my opinion, this version of 98 UM is totally unnecessary, I mean like a third installment of teh game just because people doesn't like krauser and geese? I mean I don't like them either and people who play tops are pussies , but just ban them in tournaments or so, they're the brothers of destructions damn it, the characters requiere them to be powerful in the game to keep their status, in OG98 they probably saw this problem and maybe that's why they weren't included. Boooo kof 98 UM final edition (n)
  • BlackNoobBlackNoob Ultimate Loser Joined: Posts: 224
    I really want to play this game and I hope it gets both an xbox and psn release so I can share it with my friends.
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    This is what happens when SNK doesn't post news from their upcoming games
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    I would love to see Emil vs DG on GGPO.
  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    They should add a RB2 Team comprised of Xiang-Fei, Rick Strowd and Alfred Airhawk.

    Hell yes, If they added Real Bout 2 team that included Rick Strowd that would be some insane shit. They could also use Hon-Fu, and Laurence Blood , his bloody mixer would be perfect like Billy Kane's "Senpu Kon" when he spins his staff. I would like to see '96 Vice and Mature too as EX characters.
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    Krauser and Iori are weakened.Other characters are strengthened.
  • BoboGloryBoboGlory Joined: Posts: 544
    You mind telling who are the others? :)
  • Tech RomancerTech Romancer PSN: Tech_Romancer Joined: Posts: 5,200
    Um what about Geese
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    SNIP...
    Krauser and Iori are weakened.Other characters are strengthened.

    Good stuff thanks a bunch. Also, Google Translate is wonderful:wonder:

    Hell i would show it translated for yall, but thats to much time, im about to had back to Philly from spending time in Maryland for the holidays. Once again man thanks for the info.:wgrin:
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  • BiGGDaddyCaneBiGGDaddyCane ☵☳☷☵☴☵☳☲☷☵ Joined: Posts: 932
    Anyways, Here is the translate From google, sorry if its shitty, its googles fault by I still understand most of it for the most part. thanks a111111



    Advance sales had to buy tan Arcadia, Deu p is a hunch I have no scanner
    Strategy changes and ran a six page, black and white
    Crowther and the temple of the body with a brief report, except it was almost all integer characters strengthening
    Sukari easier to crouch and Technology (C-shell near ? 6A, Billy, etc.) are under way to strengthen the decision
    Ralph Gatoringuatakku, Kim meteor fall, flying sword technique is similar to Choi Gale standard between Tame Tame
    Shorter time delay technique invincible invincible time (Mai Mai behind heat haze, heel de Lucky weak, and the device status Daiingufi)

    Age
    She sees a weak shadow is short stiff ...
    MAX broken iron sword 2 frame generation version ... Please / invincibility time after the loss of dim

    Brian
    C ... near determination is extended down the first-stage attack
    Jump Digimon C ... in the air can Kyonse
    Bikkubantakkuru occurred early weakness ...

    Hermitage
    Step (Extra Mode) ... the dynamic range is comparable to Beijing
    Has been extended ... like debris after the formation of rigid, Uni-loop wind can not attack the weak flash chips ? da

    Crowther
    Near C ... 2 frames late occurrence
    Damage Reduction Far C ...
    Far damage reduction D ...
    C + D ... ground damage reduction / shrinking of the forward shock decision
    Kaizadyuerusobatto ... DAME reduction / loss of strength version of invincibility time / extend rigid frame 5
    Damage Reduction Reggutomahoku ...
    ... Burittsuboru damage reduction / generation of strong early / extended version of strong rigidity
    Damage Reduction Kaizaueibu ...
    ... Stretches Anrimideddodezaia rigidity / performance not to be out at the push of the button simultaneously

    Kyoto (Common)
    A ... 2 short proximal rigid frame (near the lead in pressing the first D)
    The rigid frame reduces 2A ...

    Kyoto (table)
    Ara ... 13 ? 10 observed damage / extend the endpoint trigger frame 2
    RED ... strengthen weak kick down the decision just after falling attacks (attack swung the decision unchanged)
    ... Nue growth picking technique is able to start out ??

    Kyoto (back)
    The three rigid frame reduces payments darkness / decrease the amount of gain increased storage

    Marubeni
    Far damage B ... 7 ? 4
    ... So strong thunder ?? float became a partner in pursuit technique allowed one hit / stun reduced
    Lightning fast three-frame strip ?? generation ...
    MAX lightning fist condensed version ... rigor of 9 frames

    Daimon
    Reduction decision beaten 3C ...
    Throw Back Throw ... the moment you enter the pause, so that holds Ge
    Mountain storm passed ... and the timing ?? dim / rigid extended / adjusted allocation is damaged, so grab your strength greatly in the third stage

    Geese (Common)
    Near C ... expand the attack roll down
    Frame 6B ... preferably at two guard

    Geese (Table)
    Killer flying sun ... so weak against the state hit attack crouching descent / landing stiffness is reduced, as well as the strong version

    Geese (back)
    Reijingusutomu ... weak, strong, MA attack roll inward extension version

    Yuri (Common)
    Jump to cancel accepted Digimon A ...
    C + D ... jump in mortal can cancel

    Yuri (table)
    This reduces the rigidity ?? ... Lightning, so it is easy to be beneficial micro guard
    Hien storm when it hits the leg strength ... A standing want to Gatsu / 9 × n 7 ? × n damage reduction

    Yuri (back)
    This reduces the strength ... ?? rigid frame to be advantageous when the guard

    Marie (Common)
    Supinforu ... This reduces the stiffness, or adverse conditions without susceptibility - as five minutes
    No other changes in both sides Supinforu

    Inc. (Common)
    D ... to determine the near bottom
    Jumping C ... turn increases performance

    Companies (table)
    Counter jet off two weak beam stiffness reduces ...
    Jet Counter Still weak ... reduce the rigid frame 3 additional input from the counter jet
    In addition to the faint significantly sledgehammer ...

    Terry (Common)
    Crack shot to hit strong ... even squatting phase / guards will be advantageous in reducing the stiff landing
    (Hit the jump to D can be pursued in the air, they can Pawageiza Terry back in the chase)
    Total time Raijingutakkuru mighty strength ...
    Far damage B ... 6 ? 5

    Terry (front)
    8 ? Power Charge ... damage to the weak version / 12 ? 9 edition of the damage intensity
    Extended hours during the first stage ... ??Chi Pawadanku version invincible strength, can pursue
    Haiangurugeiza invincible strength duration ...

    Terry (back)
    Cancel Faiyakikku ... can be mortal in the first stage
    The small increase Raundoueibu gauge ...
    Pawageiza ... weak, strong, MAX cause all eight frames faster version / invincibility time after the loss of dim

    Andy (Common)
    Near C ... down the decision of the first-stage attack
    Shadow Fist residual strength ... experience slow / reduce the stiffness

    Andy (back)
    Rigid frame reduces the five fists flying ...

    Andy shared a table with no change other than

    Joe (Common)
    Reduce the stiffness 3B ...

    Joe (table)
    3B ... from down the effects hit Nokeri
    Surasshukikku been expanded to improve strength ... the decision under attack, as observed in works to hit the state standard characters

    Joe (back)
    Upper hurricane will spread attack roll ...
    ... Explosion of fist down on the attack roll of the first stage, the two fused rigid frame suspended at
    (When they hit while leaving the first stage if the forced stop near C, 2A, leads the Puresshani)

    Ryo (table)
    Strength ... and occurred early ?? tiger, like a weak version
    Hao Xiang ... ?? strength, MAX Kunari generation version, as well as the weak version

    Ryo (back)
    6A ... forced down effect hits (version unchanged Cancel)
    Leg weakness ... gale Hien landing short rigid frame 8
    Tiger air ... a little shallow angle ?? version of the weak
    Hao Xiang ... ?? faster generation, weak, AX version of the attack that leads to weak

    Robert (Common)
    Extending the reach ground C + D ...
    The decision facing larger attacks 6A ...
    Hien Ryuuzin leg weak version ... rigor beam landing off four frames shortened version of three strong
    Hao Xiang ... ?? strength, MAX Kunari generation version, as well as the weak version

    Robert shared a table with no change other than

    Robert (back)
    Hien weak legs ... and possible storm chase after the hit (if far Hiroshi Naka C, you can attack a dragon fang and end)
    Fighting Ranbu MAX Version 10 time frame Masaru Nobu invincible
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  • rogueyoshirogueyoshi Nothing Comes Easy Joined: Posts: 1,928
    Krauser: Close C has 2 more frames of startup. D throw, Far C, Far D, stand CD, qcf+K, qcb+P/K, f hcf+P all have damage reduced. qcf+C/D have more startup. Command throws have no more invincibility. Ranbu has more startup.

    Iori: Walk speed in Extra mode is same as Kyo's. Scumgale frame advantage decreased.

    Eiji: qcf+A has shorter recovery. SDM qcf hcb+P is 2 frames faster, invincibility at the end removed.

    Geese: dp+P less recovery time.

    EX Geese: Raging Storm has a bigger hitbox.
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  • Tech RomancerTech Romancer PSN: Tech_Romancer Joined: Posts: 5,200
    Soooooooo

    Geese got buffed???? :confused:
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  • Violent RyoViolent Ryo Mistuurrr KaraTEH! Joined: Posts: 382
    Could we get a real translation please?

    Very interested in these changes.
    KOFXIII: Ryo Rob Tak (Art of Fighting Team)
    KOF 98UM: EX-Ryo Brian Kyo Terry Eiji Tak
    SSFIVAE: Dan
    KOF XI: Ryo (Leader) + 2 Random
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