2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.
And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL
Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.
What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.
The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.
Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
Originally posted by RandomNigga
Call sent ground, triangle dash behind her. If she turns around to confront you and not get crossed-up, leave her be; the pussy is on lock. If she gets hit by drones and passes out, rape her; all the fun of prom with no expense. If she takes three from sent in the face and is still conscious, claim her; she's a keeper.
Originally posted by chair_home
You'll grow to about twice your regular size, but strangely, your overalls and plumber's hat will grow to fit you too. If you pick up any flowers, you'll be able to throw fireballs, but watch out for turtles and potatoes with feet, touching them will revert you to your original size.
u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.
You're an idiot.
Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.
What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.
Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.
Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.
i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game
you up for it mr.gambler?
Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.
Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......
I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.
You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.
I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.
Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?
You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.
Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.
SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|
i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.
how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???
that book has some pretty funny looking tells.
"Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."
andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.
Regular PLO, I haven't trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should've checked on the river, but I couldn't fold on the min re-raise...also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?
Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (firstname.lastname@example.org)
*********** # 1 **************
PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
Table 'Anhui' Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
Da rat11 has returned
blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
shadeizatool: calls $0.85
blueberry: calls $0.75
*** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
shadeizatool: bets $1
tb17: calls $1
*** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
*** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
tb17: bets $4.60
shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
tb17: calls $4.60
*** SHOW DOWN ***
shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
tb17: mucks hand
shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop
No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.
Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.
And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/
Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I'm probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I'm pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?
Occasionally I'll play at Viejas, but usually only if I'm there for a tournament also. I'm in Clairemont Mesa, so it's kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
It's not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I'm usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.
One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said "wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook". Well, I did what he said and noticed that I'd paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you're playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it's fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it's just not as profitable as online play.
Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.