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  • UCRJesseUCRJesse Joined: Posts: 1,109
    Viscant wrote:
    2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
    Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
    So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.

    And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

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    Just to clarify, this is a 5 dollar sng. They are bad players, they happened to push in with overcards thinking they could catch and make the best hand.
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  • margalismargalis Joined: Posts: 714
    Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

    What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

    The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.

    Spend a weekend at a casino and you will see a hundred plays that make no sense. It's ordinary, nothing to get excited about. Someone will play 33 and hit a 3 on the river after calling 3 bets on the flop and turn. It happens. Them missing is what makes you most of your money.
  • SdoubleSdouble Psycho Power Joined: Posts: 707
    margalis is so right it is a part of the game. esp no limit hold em.

    u want them to beat u in a bad way way more than in out playing. everyone should def. go to cardplayer.com and read all the articles, read as many books as u can. esp hole em' poker for advanced players by david sklansky and mason malmuth.
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  • TheWholeFnShowTheWholeFnShow Been here too long. Joined: Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    margalis wrote:
    Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

    What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

    The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.

    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
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  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
    hey thanks for the look-out =D

    does anybody recommend any books? i read Phil Hellmuth's HoldEm Tips book and it helped my game just a bit. but he didn't explain how to play hands like Q 10, K 9, K 10, Q J, etc. i want to know MORE! RECOMMEND ME =D

    hey viscant, do u answer ur emails?

    BTW, how can i get PARTY POINTS from Party Poker.com? i wanted to join a free tournament, but i can't seem to do it...help??
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  • SdoubleSdouble Psycho Power Joined: Posts: 707
    viscant:

    u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
    so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.

    wholef'n show
    caro is the mad genius for a reason, but against good players u have to apply and un apply things that seem obvious, u have to understand fake tells to really know tells, but also rem. those are jsut generalizations. some people get nervous on a big hand instead of a bluff, etc. or talk when they have dif. holdings. that's what makes poker an art form. also read zen and the art of poker it will make u calmer and more astute to goings on at the table, which is what it's all about:
    patience, paying attention, and good decision making based on information. good luck
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    Caro's book is good. I wouldn't buy it, I'd go to a bookstore and just flip through it. A lot of it is super common sense, some of it is hella useful though. One of his tells about the guy who pretends like he's going to beat you into the pot and call your bet on the river. He's really only 50/50 on calling. If you bet confidently while his hand is over the pot, he'll pull it back and fold a lot. Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.
    The most important thing you'd probably take away from the book is controlling your tells. As an internet player I never realized I had tells like this until someone pulled me aside at the casino and told me about it. My huge huge tell for awhile was when I have a good hand live, I start stacking my chips into bet sizes. Or like if I hit the flop, I'd start parcelling out sets of 3s or 6s or whatever. I had no idea I did it but apparently I did. Thanks to random drunk guy for telling me I guess. Caro's book taught me to put my bets out exactly the same way, take exactly the same amount of time, watch other people on the flop and not the cards and not talk. Those are the easiest giveaways. I'm sure I'm still an easy read for a pro, but I've improved significantly against the typical morons.

    Hilger's book is still the best poker book for my money though. Worth it's weight in gold.

    And yes I answer email.

    EDIT:
    Being a dealer is a good job, if you can take the abuse. People are hella asses to dealers. You can expect to make good money through tips and you get to watch a lot of poker if that's your thing. At the local casino all the dealers are players and they usually sit down at the table after they finish their shift. Strangely enough, most dealers are action junkies and lousy players. I have no idea why. Some dealers go on to become great players. Scott Fischman or however you spell it was one example.
    Best tournament player is probably Daniel Negreanu at least lately. He's had a lousy world series but after his last year, he has a free pass this year. A lot of his ideas about drawing with poor odds and tournament metagame strategy are really interesting to me. I also have a lot of respect for Dan Harrington and loved his book(s). Great read.
    Best cash game player? I honestly don't know enough. I've never actually watched many of the big cash games live. I can tell you that Hellmuth is awful in cash games. He routinely gets raped on Ultimate Bet. He's usually the biggest fish at the table when he sits down in the big cash games there. I have no idea how he can afford to keep playing those. It's not uncommon to see him drop 10, 20 grand in a night. Since I don't know who's really good other than what I've been told, I'll go with Chip Reese or Doyle. They seem to have good reputations. But honestly I don't know enough to say for sure.


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  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    Sdouble wrote:
    viscant:

    u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
    so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.


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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    N-Ken is right. I'm really not that great a player. I can think of at least 5-10 SRKers who are far better than me. I can figure out how to squeeze decent money out of the game, but that's more guile than skill. Bonus offers, prop play, affiliate marketing, etc. As of the beginning of this month, I made an almost equal amount in bonus money as I did from actually playing the game for the year. I've probably made at least double that in affiliate money. Prop payments, referrals, rakeback, etc all have contributed.
    So yeah, the amount of money off poker that I've made by actually playing and winning at poker is probably about 1/5 of what the bottom line says. Viva e-commerce.

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  • duhaas21duhaas21 Fucki'n Chuck Norris..... Joined: Posts: 86
    KrassHole wrote:
    You're an idiot.
    What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.

    And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/
  • TheWholeFnShowTheWholeFnShow Been here too long. Joined: Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Viscant wrote:
    Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.


    --Jay Snyder
    Viscant@aol.com

    Hot damn, those were the tells that really stood for me too. The suited flop tip became really useful.

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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    duhaas21 wrote:
    What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.


    Never post in this thread again. Seriously dont. If you think Top 2 pair is a shitty hand then you and me should sit down and play each other for $1000.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.
  • UCRJesseUCRJesse Joined: Posts: 1,109
    i had a fun hand today.
    raise preflop with kk, 2 callers
    flop 9/4/2 bet 1 calls 1 passes
    turn 9 bet he calls
    river k bet he raises and we reraise till i've stuck 30 bucks in there in a small 1/2 limit game

    or course he has to turn over 99, yay
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.



    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    KrassHole wrote:
    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


    There are numerous ways to force opponents out of hands in limit poker. :xeye:


    If you flop two pair and are first to act with 1-3 people behind you it is almost always better to check, hope someone bets and then reraise to narrow the field and you could probably get the gutshot/bottom pair/backdoor draw hand out of the pot. If it gets checked around, not only do you know that your hand is probably good, it gives you and chance on the turn to bet for the higher amount and make people make a worse call by having to call a big bet for their weak draws. If that person still calls you with a gutshot and hits his miracle card just be happy that he made a poor play that will cost him and ultimately make you more money is the long run(if you play with that person for awhile).
  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|

    i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.

    how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???
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  • f_manf_man Joined: Posts: 647
    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.

    that book has some pretty funny looking tells.

    "Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."

    andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.
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  • nasirnasir Whup dat ass. Joined: Posts: 511 mod
    KrassHole wrote:
    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    nasir wrote:
    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

    I think so too.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    nasir wrote:
    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

    Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.
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  • nasirnasir Whup dat ass. Joined: Posts: 511 mod
    KrassHole wrote:
    Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.


    Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    nasir wrote:
    Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......


    Im playing at tiger gaming right now Username HeyMrJack


    I'm not gonna waste time looking for some jackass on srk. Now if you'd mind your own business, I'll kindly thank you and tell you to shut the fuck up. And tape still hasnt asnwered my question on how you force out people in LIMIT poker,
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

    You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

    You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.


    How is it the right call when he had 4 outs in thedeck assuming no one folded a 10 ??

    There is no justification for stupidity.
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  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

    Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

    Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

    Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?

    Berman's section in SS2 is actually quite good, I'm surprised you're not a winning player if you followed exactly what he said. PLO is really a by-the-book game. As in, almost impossible to read your opponent, especially online, and action dictating how strong their bet is. Two pair is not very strong, and heads up it might hold up. In general if there's double suited or straight cards out there, two pair is the underdog in the hand. He could have a nice straight/flush draw along with a high pocket pair in his hand, giving him enormous amounts of odds.

    In regular PLO, raises are generally made with AAXX, KKXX, hands like 5678 double suited, 10JQK, etc. The strongest hands are those that easily make the nuts. Like J10, KQ, where if you make your hand, it is almost always the nuts. Don't overvalue sets, don't overvalue non-nut straights. You can look up the 21 point system to decide which hands to play/raise with. Sklansky I believe developed a system where you add and substract points based on suits, straight gappers, pocket pairs, etc in your hand and only hands that meet certain point criteria are raisable/playable.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

    Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.


    There was one other person in the pot who folded after the turn when I raised his bet and the guy with the draw called $4. I dont remember the suits but I know the KQ on the board was suited. I know about pot odds and all that shit, so don't patronize me like I don't know what I'm talking about. The pot odds said that this fucker should have folded. The only reason the pot was so big is because he raised and i re-raised then I called after the river.
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  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    maybe he had implied odds :)
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  • nasirnasir Whup dat ass. Joined: Posts: 511 mod
    I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

    Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?


    are you playing PLO or PLO/8? Play style is quite different for these games.. if you are play /8, i know yumi saotome plays alot of it, i've been playing alot of omaha lately, i prefer it to hold'em really.

    for PLO, depends on how many people are at your table, for a full table, you only really can play premium hands, for short handed, you can play a little more loose. But assuming tables are full, try to play hands that are double suited, have combinations of suited and connectors, or high pairs. As always, there is no hard and fast rule, alot depends on your opponents and position,etc.
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  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Regular PLO, I haven't trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should've checked on the river, but I couldn't fold on the min re-raise...also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?

    Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (t.bauza17@gmail.com)
    *********** # 1 **************
    PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
    Table 'Anhui' Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
    Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
    Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
    Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
    Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
    Da rat11 has returned
    blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
    SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
    SacramentoCA: folds
    DUPPY: folds
    tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
    jleech: folds
    shadeizatool: calls $0.85
    blueberry: calls $0.75
    SilentAcorns: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
    blueberry: checks
    tb17: checks
    shadeizatool: bets $1
    blueberry: folds
    tb17: calls $1
    *** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
    tb17: checks
    shadeizatool: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
    tb17: bets $4.60
    shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
    tb17: calls $4.60
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
    tb17: mucks hand
    shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
    Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
    Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
    Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
    Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop
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  • margalismargalis Joined: Posts: 714
    There is no way I'm betting 4.60 on what you had there, and no way I'm calling another 4.60 after that. Maybe I would bet $2 and be prepared to fold to a raise. You had a good hand but you missed completely.

    Actually I would have played the entire hand differently. I would have bet the flop. If I get raised there I fold. If I get called there I get suspicious. bet enough to force out a heart draw. If they call I probably bet a very minimal amount on the turn but I'm basically done with the hand.

    Edit: Look at it this way - playing .10/.25 you lost a $22 pot with 2 pair when the board was paired. Don't put yourself in that position.

    At .10/.25 pot limit you should expect people to call with basically anything. From his perspective he has 67 connectors and AQ connectors, as well as a queen high flush draw. A good way to play Omaha is to look for excuses to fold, but most people look for excuses to call.

    Raising before the flop was right. It just didn't work out. Make a big enough bet to chase out a flush but after that the hand is over. If the board is paired and you don't have any part of it you are probably behind. The way you make money is on hands where you have the Q7 and the other guy has 77. Big hand over big hand - lose the small pots and win the big ones.

    About bankroll management: Bankroll management is the same at all levels. You just have to have enough money. When you move up in limits, make sure you have enough, and if you start doing poorly move back down. Managing your bankroll at .5/.10 is the same as at 100/200.
  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    That was pretty poorly played, in that you barely had anything at the end and it seems you really overvalued your hand.
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  • BananaWeedBananaWeed Virtual Hobo Joined: Posts: 1,833
    Anyone ever cry themselves to sleep after a bad beat?
    I've only play on pokerroom.com so far, and the flops there are insane. Rivers are rediculous too.

    I think I should quit for a bit. Maybe I'll start again next month.
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  • LimeGreenPatatoLimeGreenPatato Berry Sunsplash OWNZ you! Joined: Posts: 1,859
    I played my first poker tounry today online. Finished 97th out of 539...i could have went longer but i got called on a bluff when i was all in.

    I could have had a quad kill though...4 people went all in with A,J/A,K/A,J/AQ and nothing came up....i would have beat them with my pair of 8s.
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    Yeah baby just won 1300 by getting first in a poker tourney. I'm happy :tup:
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|

    i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.

    how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???



    No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.
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    f_man wrote:
    that book has some pretty funny looking tells.

    "Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."

    andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.


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  • UCRJesseUCRJesse Joined: Posts: 1,109
    Regular PLO, I haven't trie dthe split games yet. Is there anything I coulda done about this? Im thinking I should've checked on the river, but I couldn't fold on the min re-raise...also, should I expect people to call raises with those kinda hands (A-Q-6-7)?

    Transcript for your last 5 games requested by tb17 (t.bauza17@gmail.com)
    *********** # 1 **************
    PokerStars Game #1985171133: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2005/06/27 - 17:59:02 (ET)
    Table 'Anhui' Seat #8 is the button
    Seat 1: SilentAcorns ($1.80 in chips)
    Seat 3: SacramentoCA ($18.80 in chips)
    Seat 4: DUPPY ($17.20 in chips)
    Seat 5: tb17 ($42.90 in chips)
    Seat 7: jleech ($49.35 in chips)
    Seat 8: shadeizatool ($50.85 in chips)
    Seat 9: blueberry ($63.50 in chips)
    Da rat11 has returned
    blueberry: posts small blind $0.10
    SilentAcorns: posts big blind $0.25
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to tb17 [9s Ad 9h As]
    SacramentoCA: folds
    DUPPY: folds
    tb17: raises $0.60 to $0.85
    jleech: folds
    shadeizatool: calls $0.85
    blueberry: calls $0.75
    SilentAcorns: folds
    *** FLOP *** [Qc Qh 7h]
    blueberry: checks
    tb17: checks
    shadeizatool: bets $1
    blueberry: folds
    tb17: calls $1
    *** TURN *** [Qc Qh 7h] [8s]
    tb17: checks
    shadeizatool: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Qc Qh 7h 8s] [2c]
    tb17: bets $4.60
    shadeizatool: raises $4.60 to $9.20
    tb17: calls $4.60
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    shadeizatool: shows [6s 7d Qs Ac] (a full house, Queens full of Sevens)
    tb17: mucks hand
    shadeizatool collected $22.05 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $23.20 | Rake $1.15
    Board [Qc Qh 7h 8s 2c]
    Seat 1: SilentAcorns (big blind) folded before Flop
    Seat 3: SacramentoCA folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 4: DUPPY folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 5: tb17 mucked [9s Ad 9h As]
    Seat 7: jleech folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: shadeizatool (button) showed [6s 7d Qs Ac] and won ($22.05) with a full house, Queens full of Sevens
    Seat 9: blueberry (small blind) folded on the Flop

    Omaha you're usually going to need more than just 2 pair to win. any good hands you play preflop are usually going to require hitting a flop to win as well.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    SvN wrote:
    No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.

    Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I'm probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I'm pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?
  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    SvN wrote:
    Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.

    And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/

    Occasionally I'll play at Viejas, but usually only if I'm there for a tournament also. I'm in Clairemont Mesa, so it's kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
    It's not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I'm usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.

    One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said "wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook". Well, I did what he said and noticed that I'd paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you're playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it's fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it's just not as profitable as online play.

    --Jay Snyder
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  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    Damn Im gonna vent for a second cause I just had a similar situation to Krasshole, I had pocket Kings and I raised preflop, 3 callers, flop comes like J 7 rag, I raise it 4x bb, 2 callers, comes an 8, first to act guy bets like 40(bb was 20) I reraise to 160 or something, he reraises all in, I call. He's got 5 6o, river comes a 4. AAARGH why would you call a preflop raise with 5 6o in NL? I actually asked him why which I dont usually do, he's like well its just for fun. Thats the worst thing you can hear when you get outdrawn, that they just wanted to act mentally deficient.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i got raped by triple 5 again....now im too scare to go in when there is a 5 out....but got 5 straight last night so it was all good =)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    tape wrote:
    Hey I plan on visiting a 18 casino soon, cause my bankroll is nice and healthy after I got a bit of luck and won a 530 man tournament for $2500 bucks. What do you suggest playing there? I'm probably only planning to play with around 300-400, would limit or no limit be better? I think I'm pretty decent at O8 too, but I assume thats not too popular in most casinos?

    You should probably start out at 2-4/3-6 limit or a NL with a 100-200 max buy-in(always buy the max). The O8 2-4 and 3-6 game where i play is very action oriented and you could take major chip swings so you should stay away from those games. You really should stick with a small limit game if you can only play with 300-400 and try to build up from that. The skill level of players in those games is pretty low and you can easily take a 3-4 big bet per hour profit if you are a good player. Get the book small stakes hold'em by sklansky its a pretty good book and gives some good tips on how to crush those small limit games. But don't try to step up and use the same tactics in an 8-16 or 15-30 game because the play is much different.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Viscant wrote:
    Occasionally I'll play at Viejas, but usually only if I'm there for a tournament also. I'm in Clairemont Mesa, so it's kind of far to go there just to play the live games.
    It's not as much fun for me to play live simply because it moves so slowly. When I play online, I'm usually playing 4 tables at once. Playing live and playing on those super-loose tables, I find myself playing maybe 1 or 2 hands per half hour and it just seems dull.

    One of your disadvantages is actually why I like playing online more than live. The record keeping is so much easier online. I used to keep a notebook of all my live play, keeping exact count on how much I was up, how much I was down, hands I remembered. A buddy of mine told me to make a mark for every hand I won and toked the dealer. He said "wait a couple months and add up all the marks in your notebook". Well, I did what he said and noticed that I'd paid almost $1000 in tips when I was just getting started. I mean, when you're playing 4-8, that + rake = your profit margin. I still play live because it's fun and because I enjoy intimidating people, but it's just not as profitable as online play.

    --Jay Snyder
    Viscant@aol.com



    Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.
  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    SvN wrote:
    No im not rich im quite poor i just worked my way up. When i first moved to sd from new jersey i was going into the casinos(sycuan/viejas) with a fake id.( i was 17) I was kind of nervous cuz of my age and being in a casino. I went broke a lot playing 1-2 nl and 3-6 limit. Then about 6 months ago my game reached a point where i was just destroying 3-6 games 5 days a week. I studied a lot and really focused on the game. I then stepped up to 4-8 and did well. Got my roll up to like 2500 for poker. Then i got a job at Seaworld(still work there), to take care of my living expenses and not have to touch my poker roll. It is much easier to play and focus when you know there is a paycheck to look forward to. Managing bankroll was extremely difficult for me when i started out. Just be sure to always keep a notebook of your wins/losses and how much you played,limit/location etc.It has helped me to improve a LOT. One thing to be careful of is that young players are very susceptible to TILT!. Once you can overcome that and maintain your peak level of play through highs and lows you will do great because i believe the cards always turn even. As of right now i play 2-3 days a week depending on my days off. I average about 500-600 weekly playing mostly 4-8 and sometimes 8-16 when available. Yesterday(sunday) and today i played at sycuan and did very well. Won 400 on sun in a little 3-6 and 4-8. Today i won 500 in NL and lost 150 in 4-8. If you ever plan on going to the casino let me know ill help you out a bit if you got any questions.
    i will definitely give u a holler when i do come to SD to play. while growing into the game, no one has really taught me anything...i learned by myself and it tended to be costly :sad:
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    SvN wrote:
    Your right about the tipping and rake in the lower limit games but when playing 8-16 and 15-30 tipping and rake is pretty much moot because the rake in 15-30 is the same as 3-6. 3BB per hour in 15-30 is 90 bucks minus 6 bucks for tips = 84/90. In 3-6 18 bucks - 6 tips = 12/18 which is a complete BB! That is why im happy to be done grinding out those 3-6 games for 10 hours a day. Although the 3-6 games in the casinos are ridiculously easy for me to beat i still prefer the higher limit games with a little bit more profit margin.

    Yeah, I can understand that. I'm just not willing to set aside the amount of money to be able to play that high yet. Especially given how loose and wild the games are at the Viejas. I play pretty much same limits live as I do online, except I'll occasionally play the 8-16 game at Oceanside when they spread it. That's really about as high as I go.
    Do you go for the tournaments at all?

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  • SdoubleSdouble Psycho Power Joined: Posts: 707
    on bankroll management: my 2 cents
    1. always have a job until u are good enough to rely on poker as a sole income. that means when u can afford to lose an amount, a big amount and it not have an effect you. i know we are poker loving bums, but trust me a job is the best thing for u.

    2. never risk a significant amount of ur bankroll, unless the game is really gravy. even then it's still risky if ur struggling b/c on any given day the best player can make the best decisions and still lose, lose alot.

    3. if u play cash games or tournaments, start out small and work ur way up. no matter how good u are, there is pressure when u play for a lot of money. only once u master ur self, will u master the madness that is poker.

    that's the most important ones i know i've left something out viscant care to chime in?
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