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  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    my bad. i read the stuff after it said "four full of fives, four full of fives." damn that's some rigged shit right there
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
    Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
    So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.

    And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

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  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    Viscant wrote:
    And yeah, I agree with Nam. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

    --Jay Snyder
    Viscant@aol.com

    They were both short stacked, if you play online poker and you even think twice about someone making those calls, you need to pay more attention. A9 really wasnt THAT bad of a play.
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  • rsigleyrsigley Joined: Posts: 3,834
    a9 suited - i mean is that really his fault? first to act, no chips, figuring no one hit that flop (you really gonna put someone on a 4 who was in for 2 before the flop? maybe a pocket pair but if you get someone heads up you still have outs) it's prolly a good situation for him to bet and hope a) everyone folds(not really likely since it's only 100 more, but i seen people fold to min bets in a pot 20x the min bet on the river) b) no one got a piece of that and either gets someone heads up or a A or 9 falls giving him 4 full of A or someone calls just bc it's so cheap and he wins with A high, don't think he/she really thought everyone else would call.

    from the big blind with a min raise and 4 people in why wouldn't you call with A9 suited? it's not really as bad as you made it out to be. maybe in a ring game you'd check (or bet and see if you get raised where you could fold) and see what happens, but tournaments are different than ring games.

    if you're following the whole pot odds idea (which i don't think holds for tournaments - cash games yes, but not tournaments), it makes sense for him to make the call for only 50 more with a9 suited

    if he doesn't call then he's left with 150 chips and the SB coming to him, he had a chance to almost quadruple up here, good risk IMO

    i guess the only thing maybe the A9 shoulda done was just move all in there, since calling you're pretty commited right there, if he folds he only has 100 chips left and the SB coming to him.
    the KQ was stupid IMO tho, got a bet and a raise in front of you, and you got none of that flop, might as well fold
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    The mistakes they both made is in terms of aggressiveness. When you're that shortstacked (usually the definition is less than 10xBB), you have two choices.
    --All-in
    --Fold
    That's it. To be fair to A9 guy, he probably was going to get screwed in this hand. With that hand on BB, you're going all in and even though you have the A4 guy dominated, he's probably going to call. It's not AS BAD a mistake, but still a mistake.
    The KQ guy was pretty dumb though. It's either all-in or fold and in a multi-way pot with a "please call me" raise in front, he has no business being in that hand and if he WAS going to get in that hand, it should have been all-in, not calling his chips away.

    That's the mistake there and why it's funny.

    --Jay Snyder
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    So I'm playing 1 / 2


    I have KQ flop top 2 pair. I'm betting it all the way and this maniac is calling. a 10 comes on the river and this douche bag has AJ for the straight.

    I can't believe some of this bullshit. who the fuck calls raises and re-raises with an inside draw.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hey rob it's me drew...the one who plays marvel at rutgers :P

    I didn't know you played that much poker, or else I would've called you for some games. Did you graduate yet?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    KrassHole wrote:
    So I'm playing 1 / 2


    I have KQ flop top 2 pair. I'm betting it all the way and this maniac is calling. a 10 comes on the river and this douche bag has AJ for the straight.

    I can't believe some of this bullshit. who the fuck calls raises and re-raises with an inside draw.

    If it's a big multiway pot, he might actually be correct to call you depending on how many people, preflop raises etc.

    Say 3 people are in the pot and he raises preflop. There are 3 dollars in the pot, if you didn't reraise him, there's no reason to put you on AK or AQ, so he figures he has two cards he can catch to win the pot: an ace for the lead, and a 10 for the absolute nuts. Now on the flop if you bet and the other person calls, he's getting 1:5 on his money, which is more than enough to call with two cards to catch. If it's headsup, he's getting 1:4 which is still enough.

    Now onto the turn, this is where it's most important. If even ONE other person is in the pot with you two, then he gets over 1:5 odds on his money, which means he only has to win 20% of the time to make this a profitable call. However in reality he only has 1:10 shot of hitting it, but in his mind hitting an ace is probably still good. That makes it close to a 3:10 shot with 1:5 odds, so he would in fact be correct, only you have two pair and not one pair, so bad luck for you and good luck for him.

    If there were constant reraising, he should know even hitting an ace isn't good, but depending on his position he could have been making the right call still. For example, he called the flop, and you slowplay til the turn. You bet, he calls, then person behind reraises, you call, and it's up to him. Though he knows he's horribly beat, the action put so much money in the pot that he is probably getting that 1:10 he needs. He also gets huge implied odds, since he is drawing to the absolute nuts. If he DOES hit it, most likely he could check-raise or just straight up raise both of you and gain an additional 4 bets.

    Sometimes it's not that simple to just bet when you have the best hand. You might have to win smalller pots, and maximize the number of pots you can win. Like hitting a ragged flop and checking and hoping someone raises so you can reraise right behind him, and make it wrong for your other opponents to call, contrary to most popular belief that you should pump the pot as much as possible whenever you have the slightest edge.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    If it's a big multiway pot, he might actually be correct to call you depending on how many people, preflop raises etc.

    Say 3 people are in the pot and he raises preflop. There are 3 dollars in the pot, if you didn't reraise him, there's no reason to put you on AK or AQ, so he figures he has two cards he can catch to win the pot: an ace for the lead, and a 10 for the absolute nuts. Now on the flop if you bet and the other person calls, he's getting 1:5 on his money, which is more than enough to call with two cards to catch. If it's headsup, he's getting 1:4 which is still enough.

    Now onto the turn, this is where it's most important. If even ONE other person is in the pot with you two, then he gets over 1:5 odds on his money, which means he only has to win 20% of the time to make this a profitable call. However in reality he only has 1:10 shot of hitting it, but in his mind hitting an ace is probably still good. That makes it close to a 3:10 shot with 1:5 odds, so he would in fact be correct, only you have two pair and not one pair, so bad luck for you and good luck for him.

    If there were constant reraising, he should know even hitting an ace isn't good, but depending on his position he could have been making the right call still. For example, he called the flop, and you slowplay til the turn. You bet, he calls, then person behind reraises, you call, and it's up to him. Though he knows he's horribly beat, the action put so much money in the pot that he is probably getting that 1:10 he needs. He also gets huge implied odds, since he is drawing to the absolute nuts. If he DOES hit it, most likely he could check-raise or just straight up raise both of you and gain an additional 4 bets.

    Sometimes it's not that simple to just bet when you have the best hand. You might have to win smalller pots, and maximize the number of pots you can win. Like hitting a ragged flop and checking and hoping someone raises so you can reraise right behind him, and make it wrong for your other opponents to call, contrary to most popular belief that you should pump the pot as much as possible whenever you have the slightest edge.



    You're an idiot.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Doh, I thought the mathematical approach was a good one to poker :(

    Btw you asked what kind of idiot would call...and I gave you a couple scenarios where he would be playing "correct" poker. No need to PMS on me cause u lost a pot.
  • UCRJesseUCRJesse Joined: Posts: 1,109
    Viscant wrote:
    2+2 is exactly like SRK, only a couple years ago.
    Basically that forum is at that stage in it's development where the noise-to-information ratio is just about to hit the breaking point. There are a lot of really good posts there and the important posters (Malmuth/Sklansky, etc) still post from time to time. But the new wave of morons and idiots are starting to take over a bit. Also that forum is remarkably rude. If you don't fit with their particular ideology on something, they just go out of their way to be asses.
    So yeah, it's basically exactly like SRK. I read the posts there, but it's primarily useful for identifying people. When I know that I have a "brown trout" at my table, I basically try to run them over. Most 2+2ers are weak-tight at the tables, especially if you mention that you're a trout also. They try not to make any mistakes which translates most often into weak-tight play. Probably my favorite hunting trick these days.

    And yeah, I agree with LB. The best part of that hand is that A9 and KQ called. LOL

    --Jay Snyder
    Viscant@aol.com

    Just to clarify, this is a 5 dollar sng. They are bad players, they happened to push in with overcards thinking they could catch and make the best hand.
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  • margalismargalis Joined: Posts: 714
    Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

    What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

    The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.

    Spend a weekend at a casino and you will see a hundred plays that make no sense. It's ordinary, nothing to get excited about. Someone will play 33 and hit a 3 on the river after calling 3 bets on the flop and turn. It happens. Them missing is what makes you most of your money.
  • SdoubleSdouble Psycho Power Joined: Posts: 707
    margalis is so right it is a part of the game. esp no limit hold em.

    u want them to beat u in a bad way way more than in out playing. everyone should def. go to cardplayer.com and read all the articles, read as many books as u can. esp hole em' poker for advanced players by david sklansky and mason malmuth.
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  • TheWholeFnShowTheWholeFnShow Been here too long. Joined: Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    margalis wrote:
    Nice, SRK crybabies whining about bad beats. Grow up, it happens. Crying about bead beats is a sure way to suck at poker for life. Poker is like a lot of things in that just playing will only improve you marginally. Playing and thinking is what makes you better.

    What kind of an idiot calls big raises or caps betting with KQ? The kind of idiot you want at your table.

    The number 1 mistake bad poker players make is complaining about bad poker players. As if playing really good players would somehow be easier. If you can't beat internet scrubs that call with 2 outers you sure as hell aren't going to beat someone who knows what they are doing. People who think they are good but are just constantly sucked out on are fooling themselves. If you are good and playing low limits you WILL get constantly sucked out on but you should also be winning.

    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
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  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.
    hey thanks for the look-out =D

    does anybody recommend any books? i read Phil Hellmuth's HoldEm Tips book and it helped my game just a bit. but he didn't explain how to play hands like Q 10, K 9, K 10, Q J, etc. i want to know MORE! RECOMMEND ME =D

    hey viscant, do u answer ur emails?

    BTW, how can i get PARTY POINTS from Party Poker.com? i wanted to join a free tournament, but i can't seem to do it...help??
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    Call sent ground, triangle dash behind her. If she turns around to confront you and not get crossed-up, leave her be; the pussy is on lock. If she gets hit by drones and passes out, rape her; all the fun of prom with no expense. If she takes three from sent in the face and is still conscious, claim her; she's a keeper.

    What should you expect from shrooming?
    Originally posted by chair_home
    You'll grow to about twice your regular size, but strangely, your overalls and plumber's hat will grow to fit you too. If you pick up any flowers, you'll be able to throw fireballs, but watch out for turtles and potatoes with feet, touching them will revert you to your original size.
    *cough*.
  • SdoubleSdouble Psycho Power Joined: Posts: 707
    viscant:

    u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
    so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.

    wholef'n show
    caro is the mad genius for a reason, but against good players u have to apply and un apply things that seem obvious, u have to understand fake tells to really know tells, but also rem. those are jsut generalizations. some people get nervous on a big hand instead of a bluff, etc. or talk when they have dif. holdings. that's what makes poker an art form. also read zen and the art of poker it will make u calmer and more astute to goings on at the table, which is what it's all about:
    patience, paying attention, and good decision making based on information. good luck
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    Caro's book is good. I wouldn't buy it, I'd go to a bookstore and just flip through it. A lot of it is super common sense, some of it is hella useful though. One of his tells about the guy who pretends like he's going to beat you into the pot and call your bet on the river. He's really only 50/50 on calling. If you bet confidently while his hand is over the pot, he'll pull it back and fold a lot. Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.
    The most important thing you'd probably take away from the book is controlling your tells. As an internet player I never realized I had tells like this until someone pulled me aside at the casino and told me about it. My huge huge tell for awhile was when I have a good hand live, I start stacking my chips into bet sizes. Or like if I hit the flop, I'd start parcelling out sets of 3s or 6s or whatever. I had no idea I did it but apparently I did. Thanks to random drunk guy for telling me I guess. Caro's book taught me to put my bets out exactly the same way, take exactly the same amount of time, watch other people on the flop and not the cards and not talk. Those are the easiest giveaways. I'm sure I'm still an easy read for a pro, but I've improved significantly against the typical morons.

    Hilger's book is still the best poker book for my money though. Worth it's weight in gold.

    And yes I answer email.

    EDIT:
    Being a dealer is a good job, if you can take the abuse. People are hella asses to dealers. You can expect to make good money through tips and you get to watch a lot of poker if that's your thing. At the local casino all the dealers are players and they usually sit down at the table after they finish their shift. Strangely enough, most dealers are action junkies and lousy players. I have no idea why. Some dealers go on to become great players. Scott Fischman or however you spell it was one example.
    Best tournament player is probably Daniel Negreanu at least lately. He's had a lousy world series but after his last year, he has a free pass this year. A lot of his ideas about drawing with poor odds and tournament metagame strategy are really interesting to me. I also have a lot of respect for Dan Harrington and loved his book(s). Great read.
    Best cash game player? I honestly don't know enough. I've never actually watched many of the big cash games live. I can tell you that Hellmuth is awful in cash games. He routinely gets raped on Ultimate Bet. He's usually the biggest fish at the table when he sits down in the big cash games there. I have no idea how he can afford to keep playing those. It's not uncommon to see him drop 10, 20 grand in a night. Since I don't know who's really good other than what I've been told, I'll go with Chip Reese or Doyle. They seem to have good reputations. But honestly I don't know enough to say for sure.


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  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    Sdouble wrote:
    viscant:

    u seem to know a good deal so i wanted to ask u about my plans and get an opinion. I love poker alot and i'm going to be a dealer in a casino for a while in hopefully like under 2 years. Is this a good idea, i figure i can see like so many extra hands and get payed for it. i'm pretty good at hold em l/nl,7 stud, and esp. omaha. i feel confident but i do know that poker is a hard way to make a easy living.
    so is being a dealer a good idea or should i go with another job that will be more money for my bank roll but less exp. at cards. oh and also who do ya think is the best player tournament wise and cash game wise? just curious.


    Viscant isnt good at poker, he's good at online limit poker and good at reaping bonus rewards, dont be fooled...
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  • ViscantViscant Lookin cute, feelin cute Joined: Posts: 1,002
    N-Ken is right. I'm really not that great a player. I can think of at least 5-10 SRKers who are far better than me. I can figure out how to squeeze decent money out of the game, but that's more guile than skill. Bonus offers, prop play, affiliate marketing, etc. As of the beginning of this month, I made an almost equal amount in bonus money as I did from actually playing the game for the year. I've probably made at least double that in affiliate money. Prop payments, referrals, rakeback, etc all have contributed.
    So yeah, the amount of money off poker that I've made by actually playing and winning at poker is probably about 1/5 of what the bottom line says. Viva e-commerce.

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  • duhaas21duhaas21 Fucki'n Chuck Norris..... Joined: Posts: 86
    KrassHole wrote:
    You're an idiot.
    What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hey viscant, do you ever play at any of the local san diego casinos? I go to viejas/barona/sycuan like 4 times a week and dominate the 4-8 8-16 games. Once a month ill play 15-30 on saturday at viejas but my bankroll is not large enough yet for that game.

    And yeah, online is cool for the bonuses and smaller rake but its a pain in the ass to deposit and withdraw your money and i really dont like my money being tied up for a week. Casinos are a much more fun and exciting atmosphere and whatever you win can be taken home right away. Plus there is always a chance for a bad beat jackpot/
  • TheWholeFnShowTheWholeFnShow Been here too long. Joined: Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Viscant wrote:
    Also a lot of his weak=strong and strong=weak is 100% right on low limit players. Another winner I remember was, when the board comes out all of 1 suit and the guy checks his hole cards, he wants to see if he's got a high card to draw to. When he doesn't look, he probably has it. That's because you usually remember your suit if you're suited. If he has to look again, he's 90% off suited. Sounds stupid but it's spot on in the games I've played.


    --Jay Snyder
    Viscant@aol.com

    Hot damn, those were the tells that really stood for me too. The suited flop tip became really useful.

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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    duhaas21 wrote:
    What idiot calls with just 2 pair? I'm no pro, but I ussually note that 2 pair is almost always overplayed by inexperienced players. 2 pair is good, but it can be beat... many ways.


    Never post in this thread again. Seriously dont. If you think Top 2 pair is a shitty hand then you and me should sit down and play each other for $1000.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.
  • UCRJesseUCRJesse Joined: Posts: 1,109
    i had a fun hand today.
    raise preflop with kk, 2 callers
    flop 9/4/2 bet 1 calls 1 passes
    turn 9 bet he calls
    river k bet he raises and we reraise till i've stuck 30 bucks in there in a small 1/2 limit game

    or course he has to turn over 99, yay
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    Top two is very strong but your bad beat story shows you're not very good.



    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    KrassHole wrote:
    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


    There are numerous ways to force opponents out of hands in limit poker. :xeye:


    If you flop two pair and are first to act with 1-3 people behind you it is almost always better to check, hope someone bets and then reraise to narrow the field and you could probably get the gutshot/bottom pair/backdoor draw hand out of the pot. If it gets checked around, not only do you know that your hand is probably good, it gives you and chance on the turn to bet for the higher amount and make people make a worse call by having to call a big bet for their weak draws. If that person still calls you with a gutshot and hits his miracle card just be happy that he made a poor play that will cost him and ultimately make you more money is the long run(if you play with that person for awhile).
  • donaldducktmdonaldducktm A Higher Donald Duck! Joined: Posts: 2,030
    SvN damn ur pretty brave to sit on those kinds of tables. ur prolly rich as hell =|

    i've been to a casino only ONCE. it was at Sycuan and i got punked by people who had loads of chips. that was my 3rd month of playing poker since i started. now it's the 5th month and i'm trying to catch on.

    how do u control ur bankroll with those kinds of blinds???
    donaldducktm: what are some good "setups" to ask a girl to prom?
    Originally posted by RandomNigga
    Call sent ground, triangle dash behind her. If she turns around to confront you and not get crossed-up, leave her be; the pussy is on lock. If she gets hit by drones and passes out, rape her; all the fun of prom with no expense. If she takes three from sent in the face and is still conscious, claim her; she's a keeper.

    What should you expect from shrooming?
    Originally posted by chair_home
    You'll grow to about twice your regular size, but strangely, your overalls and plumber's hat will grow to fit you too. If you pick up any flowers, you'll be able to throw fireballs, but watch out for turtles and potatoes with feet, touching them will revert you to your original size.
    *cough*.
  • f_manf_man Joined: Posts: 647
    I agree. :tup:

    Quick question for anyone that'll answer: What do you guys think of Mike Caro's book on poker tells. I read some of it a while back and it's pretty intersting. I applied some of it at casinos, homegames, and to myself, and wow, he's right on most occasions.

    that book has some pretty funny looking tells.

    "Exhibit A: Man in cowboy hat picks nose, right nostril with left handfinger. 90% chance holding premium hand."

    andy what books you got? im willing to swap. the harrington on holdem series has gotta be the best tourney reading ive come across so far.
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  • nasirnasir Whup dat ass. Joined: Posts: 511 mod
    KrassHole wrote:
    Explain how you force someone out of a hand in LIMIT poker you fucking moron.


    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:
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  • SerpentSerpent Holy Phoenix Joined: Posts: 3,730 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    nasir wrote:
    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

    I think so too.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    nasir wrote:
    i'm actually willing to bet that tape would beat you in a headsup game :)

    you up for it mr.gambler? :tup:

    Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.
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  • nasirnasir Whup dat ass. Joined: Posts: 511 mod
    KrassHole wrote:
    Ya lets bet on things that will never happen.


    Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    nasir wrote:
    Why won't it ever happen? I hear there's this new thing called internet poker.......


    Im playing at tiger gaming right now Username HeyMrJack


    I'm not gonna waste time looking for some jackass on srk. Now if you'd mind your own business, I'll kindly thank you and tell you to shut the fuck up. And tape still hasnt asnwered my question on how you force out people in LIMIT poker,
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

    You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    I've told you, and someone else has said it, sometimes you have to check and hope someone raises bhined you so you can reraise to limit the field. Sneaky and subtle plays along with luck are required to win the pot many times.

    You're right that in limit poker it's hard to force someone out of the pot, especially a moron, but you have to try to make it as incorrect as possible for him to do so. In this situation, it's highly likely he should have called even if he KNEW you had KQ just because of the pot odds. You ridiculing him for a call that wasn't even too bad shows you're not a very good player.


    How is it the right call when he had 4 outs in thedeck assuming no one folded a 10 ??

    There is no justification for stupidity.
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  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

    Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

    Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I've been playing a ton of PLO lately, but even after reading Berman's section on SS2, I haven't been gettin good results. I know there's no absolutes, but I find myself hitting a ton of two pair and forced with awful decisions. When the board has 2 suits or 2 high connectors, should I be hoping to hit the boat or just fold? I'll give a couple hands later.

    Also, what other hands should be raised besides A-A-any pocket pair double suited?

    Berman's section in SS2 is actually quite good, I'm surprised you're not a winning player if you followed exactly what he said. PLO is really a by-the-book game. As in, almost impossible to read your opponent, especially online, and action dictating how strong their bet is. Two pair is not very strong, and heads up it might hold up. In general if there's double suited or straight cards out there, two pair is the underdog in the hand. He could have a nice straight/flush draw along with a high pocket pair in his hand, giving him enormous amounts of odds.

    In regular PLO, raises are generally made with AAXX, KKXX, hands like 5678 double suited, 10JQK, etc. The strongest hands are those that easily make the nuts. Like J10, KQ, where if you make your hand, it is almost always the nuts. Don't overvalue sets, don't overvalue non-nut straights. You can look up the 21 point system to decide which hands to play/raise with. Sklansky I believe developed a system where you add and substract points based on suits, straight gappers, pocket pairs, etc in your hand and only hands that meet certain point criteria are raisable/playable.
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    tape wrote:
    You have to tell me exactly how many people are in the pot, suits, raises preflop and flop, turn raises and reraises before you can say whether he's right or wrong.

    Like I've said, he might have thought hitting an Ace would be good, which means he assumed he had 8 outs. That's not a very bad assumption if there was no preflop reraises, as is norm for AK AQ. If theres no crazy action on the flop theres no reason to assume you have two pair, and trying to make a read online is pretty much impossible. Action dictates your hand.


    There was one other person in the pot who folded after the turn when I raised his bet and the guy with the draw called $4. I dont remember the suits but I know the KQ on the board was suited. I know about pot odds and all that shit, so don't patronize me like I don't know what I'm talking about. The pot odds said that this fucker should have folded. The only reason the pot was so big is because he raised and i re-raised then I called after the river.
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