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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Neteller is dead and the owners are going on trial. Some people have had problems with banks freezing their accounts when transfers from online poker roll in. The only viable cash out option at this point is a check drawn from a bank and mailed to player. The inability to easily get money into sites, and the risk of doing so have somewhat dampened enthusiasim. And we are missing out on the loads of fish as these sites expand into russia and asia vastly expanding the player load.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    yes i'm sure the asian market is huge

    isn't the yearly income for people in china like $4000 US/year?

    Tons of money to gamble online with
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I said Asian idiot. Ever heard of Japan? Yet another small minded person who thinks that US = the world. Not to mention that European markets are doing well.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I said Asian idiot. Ever heard of Japan? Yet another small minded person who thinks that US = the world. Not to mention that European markets are doing well.

    Yes I've heard of Japan and I've also heard that ONLINE GAMBLING IS BANNED IN JAPAN

    Even regular gambling is banned in Japan which is why they have those stupid pachinko parlors
  • thurstthurst What's my age again? Joined: Posts: 11,604 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    damn that sure was some strong pwnsauce, lol
    #teamSkinnyBitches #teamHATE #teamKELLS #OGteamMILEY
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Touche. My point was that there are huge market growth regions still left for online poker and that Asia doesn't equal China. I am still amazed that our government is so vastly concernced about nudity on television, gambling online by consenting adults and usage by consenting adults of steroids yet they don't give a shit about education, crime or sending our soldiers overseas to die for NOTHING. I'm really pissed about the current state of our politicians.
  • NAMMMMMMNAMMMMMM cantcounterpaulfrank Joined: Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    damn that sure was some strong pwnsauce, lol

    i agree
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  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    Touche. My point was that there are huge market growth regions still left for online poker and that Asia doesn't equal China. I am still amazed that our government is so vastly concernced about nudity on television, gambling online by consenting adults and usage by consenting adults of steroids yet they don't give a shit about education, crime or sending our soldiers overseas to die for NOTHING. I'm really pissed about the current state of our politicians.


    just shut up.

    edit: good win rewrew but I'm curious. How do you win the 8r at night when it starts at 10 am?? unless they added another one later i thought the last r was the $11 @ 10pm.?
    <PrincessJ> you think that's rough
    <Sir_Pryde> oh man....
    <PrincessJ> i had a guy press his erection up against me yesterday at wendy's

    <ViscHEAT> you know what i fucking hate
    <ViscHEAT> jacking off and missing the kleenex and hitting keyboard
    <ViscHEAT> son of a bitch
  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    he's european. When he won it was at night his time.
    Peekaboo NERD
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    he's european. When he won it was at night his time.

    makes sense.
    <PrincessJ> you think that's rough
    <Sir_Pryde> oh man....
    <PrincessJ> i had a guy press his erection up against me yesterday at wendy's

    <ViscHEAT> you know what i fucking hate
    <ViscHEAT> jacking off and missing the kleenex and hitting keyboard
    <ViscHEAT> son of a bitch
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    The kind of things i encounter which lead me to call Stars the new Party:

    PokerStars Game #8121407742: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/01/25 - 20:52:38 (ET)
    Table 'Veronika II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: PnP88 ($142.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: PkrKitten ($208.75 in chips)
    Seat 4: rewrew2 ($212.85 in chips)
    Seat 5: goinblind ($120.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: aljikto ($123.95 in chips)
    Seat 7: Kingcovey ($194 in chips)
    Seat 8: Earyda ($46 in chips)
    Seat 9: tweets2 ($137.90 in chips)
    PkrKitten: posts small blind $1
    rewrew2: posts big blind $2
    rakarsnuva has timed out
    rakarsnuva: is sitting out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rewrew2 [6c Jc]
    goinblind: folds
    aljikto: calls $2
    Kingcovey: folds
    Earyda: folds
    tweets2: folds
    PnP88: folds
    PkrKitten: calls $1
    rewrew2: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 9c Ac]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: checks
    aljikto: checks
    *** TURN *** [Qc 9c Ac] [Kc]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: checks
    aljikto: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Qc 9c Ac Kc] [3c]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: bets $210.85 and is all-in
    aljikto: calls $121.95 and is all-in
    PkrKitten: folds
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    rewrew2: shows [6c Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
    aljikto: mucks hand
    PkrKitten said, "lol"
    rewrew2 collected $246.90 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $249.90 | Rake $3
    Board [Qc 9c Ac Kc 3c]
    Seat 2: PnP88 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: PkrKitten (small blind) folded on the River
    Seat 4: rewrew2 (big blind) showed [6c Jc] and won ($246.90) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: goinblind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: aljikto mucked [7c 8c]
    Seat 7: Kingcovey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Earyda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: tweets2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    The kind of things i encounter which lead me to call Stars the new Party:

    PokerStars Game #8121407742: Hold'em No Limit ($1/$2) - 2007/01/25 - 20:52:38 (ET)
    Table 'Veronika II' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
    Seat 2: PnP88 ($142.55 in chips)
    Seat 3: PkrKitten ($208.75 in chips)
    Seat 4: rewrew2 ($212.85 in chips)
    Seat 5: goinblind ($120.20 in chips)
    Seat 6: aljikto ($123.95 in chips)
    Seat 7: Kingcovey ($194 in chips)
    Seat 8: Earyda ($46 in chips)
    Seat 9: tweets2 ($137.90 in chips)
    PkrKitten: posts small blind $1
    rewrew2: posts big blind $2
    rakarsnuva has timed out
    rakarsnuva: is sitting out
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to rewrew2 [6c Jc]
    goinblind: folds
    aljikto: calls $2
    Kingcovey: folds
    Earyda: folds
    tweets2: folds
    PnP88: folds
    PkrKitten: calls $1
    rewrew2: checks
    *** FLOP *** [Qc 9c Ac]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: checks
    aljikto: checks
    *** TURN *** [Qc 9c Ac] [Kc]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: checks
    aljikto: checks
    *** RIVER *** [Qc 9c Ac Kc] [3c]
    PkrKitten: checks
    rewrew2: bets $210.85 and is all-in
    aljikto: calls $121.95 and is all-in
    PkrKitten: folds
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    rewrew2: shows [6c Jc] (a flush, Ace high)
    aljikto: mucks hand
    PkrKitten said, "lol"
    rewrew2 collected $246.90 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot $249.90 | Rake $3
    Board [Qc 9c Ac Kc 3c]
    Seat 2: PnP88 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 3: PkrKitten (small blind) folded on the River
    Seat 4: rewrew2 (big blind) showed [6c Jc] and won ($246.90) with a flush, Ace high
    Seat 5: goinblind folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 6: aljikto mucked [7c 8c]
    Seat 7: Kingcovey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 8: Earyda folded before Flop (didn't bet)
    Seat 9: tweets2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)


    I don't get it?


    You both played this hand pretty badly but once it gets to the river he's got the 4th nuts do you think he should fold, esp considering how you played it?
    SHIPP ITT: hey vietcong SHIPP ITT: nice job sunday
    vietcong01: tyshipp SHIPP ITT: np, hud
    vietcong01: ok gl
  • DaFlipMastaXVDaFlipMastaXV Joined: Posts: 3,676 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yea that was an awful play.
    Peekaboo NERD
  • umthrfkrumthrfkr /Bane Voice Joined: Posts: 7,269
    i shit

    for a second there i thought i posted that. but seriously u shoulda had his money before the river.
    fuck you all
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    I didn't expect him to have flopped it as well, i have the nuts on turn with nothing in the pot, i should bet turn no doubt but wanted to see 10c for fun. Just bet massive overbet river to either make him think im on huge bluff or hopefully he has 10c, did not expect a cal from 8c

    4th nuts in that situation is def not a call IMO, unless someone wants to explain why otherwise? Yes hand is played very strange (poor) But i think 2nd nuts is lowest he can call there.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    That was such a bad hand, raise your hand when no one has raised before you.

    Also, fullring is a waste of time, such less money.

    With no action until the river he has no reason to think he'd behind, depending on your image obviously.
    I'd probably do the exact same thing as he did given the action on that hand.
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    I know the hand was played bad all around (a lot easier to see in hindsight). But i think he makes bigger mistakes than me. We should have both been betting but him especially with the more vulnerable flush.

    Like you said, less money at FR since everyone tightens up, hence i wouldn't be making a play at a $6 pot on the river, without a decent hand. If a relatively short stack or very LAG player makes the same play as me i might call with his hand, not for everything i have in front of me.

    At least this thread is somewhat active again. Anyone else have hand history's worthy of discussion?
  • KrassHoleKrassHole Ex_Matt Joined: Posts: 3,470
    what a stupid hand.
    <PrincessJ> you think that's rough
    <Sir_Pryde> oh man....
    <PrincessJ> i had a guy press his erection up against me yesterday at wendy's

    <ViscHEAT> you know what i fucking hate
    <ViscHEAT> jacking off and missing the kleenex and hitting keyboard
    <ViscHEAT> son of a bitch
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I play a lot on FTP if anyone else does.
    This is my name on there I play 3/6 through 25/50.
  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    I know the hand was played bad all around (a lot easier to see in hindsight). But i think he makes bigger mistakes than me. We should have both been betting but him especially with the more vulnerable flush.

    Like you said, less money at FR since everyone tightens up, hence i wouldn't be making a play at a $6 pot on the river, without a decent hand. If a relatively short stack or very LAG player makes the same play as me i might call with his hand, not for everything i have in front of me.

    At least this thread is somewhat active again. Anyone else have hand history's worthy of discussion?


    I'd say you make a bigger mistake cause pushing is just retarded at the end, esp since it sounds like you expected him to fold, it doesnt really matter though cause the hand is just a mess from both players.

    As for other hands, I think a turn check might have been more prudent here:

    http://www.pokerhand.org/?768204
    SHIPP ITT: hey vietcong SHIPP ITT: nice job sunday
    vietcong01: tyshipp SHIPP ITT: np, hud
    vietcong01: ok gl
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    Well a standard value bet would be so small that even if the chance of it getting called was 100% and the overbet chance of getting called is 5% the overbet is still the more favourable option

    Since a value bet in the region of $3 would be $3 x 100% so expectation for this bet = $3

    Whereas over bet = $120 (his stack) x 5% = $6

    (Note That said 100% is obv too high and 5% may also be too high a figure but for arguments sake/ simplicity)

    Also there is the argument that the pot should't have been so small by the river which while i agree with, am not taking into account. Even with the pot at a more reasonable size by the river ($20-$30) the above would still apply since 5% figure would be increased for obvious reasons (i.e. he's showed strength).

    Hence push is not "retarded" and totally nonsensical, there is some reasoning behind it. Again i'm not defending what is a poorly played hand, but i still fail to see how i'm making the bigger mistakes.

    Also don't take this as me saying "you should always shove with nuts on river" it's more about value of overbetting, and won't usually be such an extreme size of overbet.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    That's not how the equation for EV works you know...
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    That's not how the equation for EV works you know...

    It's not supposed to be, just showing logic behind overbet.
  • umthrfkrumthrfkr /Bane Voice Joined: Posts: 7,269

    wth was the point of this hand???
    fuck you all
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Doesn't everyone want to see a really standard hand?
    I assume that was the point of it.
  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    It's not supposed to be, just showing logic behind overbet.


    Except it's completely off base since by your own assertions your shove is getting called ~1% of the time not 5%.


    As for the AA hand everything was superstandard but I think checking the turn is better for a couple reasons, just a question I had been wondering for a couple days I'd throw out there.
    SHIPP ITT: hey vietcong SHIPP ITT: nice job sunday
    vietcong01: tyshipp SHIPP ITT: np, hud
    vietcong01: ok gl
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    It's good for pot control, yes. That being why it's so standard.
  • N-KenN-Ken dipthrongjr jr Joined: Posts: 2,935
    It's good for pot control, yes. That being why it's so standard.

    My thought's weren't on pot control really, just that's the perfect card for him to bluff at and raise pf bet flop check turn is a missed c-bet alot, thinking there's a decent chance he'll fold the turn if I bet since every draw just got there and the possibility his flop call being a simple float.
    SHIPP ITT: hey vietcong SHIPP ITT: nice job sunday
    vietcong01: tyshipp SHIPP ITT: np, hud
    vietcong01: ok gl
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You don't want a bluff on that board because a lot of things beat you and you can't profitably call a large bet.

    Pot control.
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    Anyone else play the sunday millions tourneys? The big $530 tonight wooo.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Yeah I play all of the sunday tournaments but I'm a cash game player.
    I hate donkaments but I play anyway.
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    Donkaments/ flipaments, call em what you will, get deep and its always fun!

    I got it all in pre flop with KK against 99 who spikes a 9 and lose a huge chunk of my stack, Then lose my A8 vs A6 soon after, not so fun today.
  • VietKhanVietKhan Joined: Posts: 379
    oh wow I wasn't aware the high stakes cash players post on here :)

    Hello Cts (MuckEMSayUHHH), i'm RaiNKhAN on PokerStars. I play SNG's and MTTs on there. Let's chat sometime.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    yeah i've seen you on there. you play pretty solid and look like a winner at the games
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    so...whats the new way to get around the gambling act or whatever? I used to use neteller but then blew my money on purpose when I heard they can't do transfers back to US banks...

    not too concerned with it tho, Id rather play at casinos than online...but am wondering. =) just incase I feel like dropping some cash on a game or two to stay in practice.

    -KDX-
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    Rainkhan on srk...wow.

    <--- Funny shit, lol @ ivey.

    So who's got a wsop seat yet?? not me!
  • VietKhanVietKhan Joined: Posts: 379
    yeah i've seen you on there. you play pretty solid and look like a winner at the games

    thanks man i see u kill the 25/50 games lately, I think it was last night when I looked at the 25/50 tables and u were beating on a short stack while u were four buyins deep+

    im sure ill see u at the WSOP this summer. im going to get a house with some friends for a month or so during the whole circuit. hope to see u there! gl at the grind until then :)

    I got four WSOP seats now
  • rewrewrewrew Joined: Posts: 89
    Hows the Nova Elite progress coming along out of ineterest Viet?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    This year's Bay 101 Tournament looked interesting:

    http://www.cardplayer.com/tournaments/live_updates/7109

    But I wonder how will Travel Channel will make this 2 hours since the final table took 263 hands? And heads up was around 96 hands.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm out of the country for now so I have 0 wsop seats.

    We're probably going to get a house down there too, hopefully. Tough to say no to the big juicy games.