WWF No Mercy for the N64

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  • Red LotusRed Lotus Unique like everyone else Joined: Posts: 416
    Whats the deal with the reversal system? I know if you not in hit stun you can block/parry and dodge/tech as long as it time your block or dodge. But what about being in hit stun? I've done it before but it seems like the timing is stricter.

    Stun is tricky in this game. Different strikes allow you to recover from stun at different points despite their animations. On top of that, the more damage your character takes, the smaller your reversal window becomes. When it shrinks to a certain point the computer allows you to randomly reverse out of stun, and in some cases it resets.
    Some blowhard I know has offered me a bet. We'll play a single 1v1 match and it's his $100 against my $1. I've never played this game before but I played a lot of casual Revenge back in the day and I'll get at least 1 match to warm up/practice. He says he's great at the game, but really he thinks he's the best at everything ever and I guarantee he's never played a competitive match against anybody decent.

    I'm pretty sure I have a chance, right? Assuming I get some good advice, that is.

    Who should I pick and how should I fight?

    Using X-Pac and spamming taunts until you have special is a pretty straight forward method. Although to give fair warning if you haven't done any damage with any strong or weak grabs you won't be able to pin your opponent, even if you get his special off 3 times in a row. You may want to just hit your opponent with the special twice(3 times if you're fast enough) then taunt to special again, and repeat. That will work on a novice. Problem is a novice will just copy you and do the same thing. With 2 X-Pacs taunting each other, it comes down to who has the most technical skill.

    Against a seasoned vet it won't work. The key to being good at No Mercy is knowing how to use the ropes and the turnbuckle to your advantage. If you play Def Jam Vendetta you can get a pretty straight forward idea on how to do rope combos, although a copy of No Mercy should be easy enough to come by. Throwing your opponent into the ropes and doing combos is a lot more effective than slugging it out in the middle of the ring. Although if you're confident in your reflexes that may work.
    No Mercy stands as one of my favorite 64 games. Not to mention favorite wrestling game. I used to make CAW's focused on arm damage and have 8 seconds magic (or w/e that standing arm submission special was called) as the finisher. Great times. I pissed some friends off with submissions though :)

    6 Seconds of Magic, aka Rumina Sato's Flying Armbar. Watch closely, it happens so fast you might miss the tap out.



    Despite what it says on GameFAQs it's actually not the strongest arm submission. Almost all of the arm specials are hella strong.
    The APA match wasn't so bad. Just make sure they didn't get you to the back and keep throwing them out of the ring. Is was a total grind though

    Actually I prefer to get them to the back. Throwing them into the wall does a lot of damage, and keeps them down for longer than throwing them out of the ring does early on in the match. First time they offered protection I agreed. Didn't know it would cost me the money I was saving for the Cobra Clutch....
  • RoguelikeRoguelike Joined: Posts: 115
    Actually I prefer to get them to the back. Throwing them into the wall does a lot of damage, and keeps them down for longer than throwing them out of the ring does early on in the match. First time they offered protection I agreed. Didn't know it would cost me the money I was saving for the Cobra Clutch....
    They always seemed to get double teams on me in the back. Not enough room to move I guess (until the parking lot). So throwing one out killed a good amount of special, and let me work the other one. Then switch
  • cutegirl57cutegirl57 Joined: Posts: 4
    I think No Mercy's game engine has more depth to it, and the CAW mode is a lot better. I definitely prefer No Mercy over W2K
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  • 4Play4Play Galactic Asshole Joined: Posts: 1,534
    For Survival mode, pick someone with a powerful and cheap strike. Bradshaw's my pick. Just keep Hammering away, don't forget to irish whip your opponents and hit them as they rebound off the ropes to get them on the apron -> easy elimination. My personal record in that mode is about 100. Easy way to unlock Mae Young, Jerry Lawler, Ken Shamrock and such...but you're better off going through Championship mode to get HBK, Andre and Vince unless you've got your technique down absolutely pat.

    I must of had my shit down pat then since I used Stone Cold to get everyone thru Survival. Threw out all dem pieces of trash out of the ring. WHAT?

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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,706
    I remember WWF attitude for the PS1, the gameplay engine itself was terrible but me and my brother had so much fun playing the coop tournament mode with our custom characters, we'd do our team attacks off the top rope when the opponent was on the floor, I think those moves had a x3 multiplier in damage (x4 if you had the crowd on your side) it'd do 50% lol
  • otterotter CFN: otter- Joined: Posts: 4,661
    I remember WWF attitude for the PS1

    Do not speak that name in this thread.
  • SkyHighYoSkyHighYo Joined: Posts: 166
    I preferred WCW/NWO Revenge, but god, old wrestling games kicked ass.. I loved playing the hell out of those wrestling games mang.
  • SpaceMarine17SpaceMarine17 Joined: Posts: 145
    Nice thread! I used to play these games very seriously when they were released and almost always return them every year or so. I never got to play anyone who was serious about competing outside of my friends in like 9th grade when World Tour was released.

    Anyway, When WCW/nWo World Tour was out my friend had a magazine that had interesting data on the game such as who bled easily and their weak points. The only thing I remember was that the magazine claimed Norton bled VERY easily. From experience I'd say Macho Man did as well (so many matches started off with my doing Hogan's lariat and Macho being bloody 2 seconds from the bell). Does anyone recall this article or information?

    I always preferred the WCW ones over the WWF but No Mercy was always my least fav (yes, it has the best options for a match) but it is so slow for 4 way matches and sometimes the game gives you a wide camera shot if your opponent has a valet/manager. The WCW ones had Japanese wrestlers and/or move sets (YUJI NAGATA and ULTIMO DRAGON!!!)

    Just trying to keep this thread alive.
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  • JacopeXJacopeX "Veras el color rojo cuando termine contigo." Joined: Posts: 419
    Was No Mercy the wrestling game that had a combination of famous Japanese wrestlers in additional to the WWF superstars?

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  • Colen RetroFYTColen RetroFYT Gifted kids with a spice of hidden talent Joined: Posts: 124
    No mercy growing up was what all the big kids in my neighborhood played I never really pike it As much because it was complicated to play and hard to get pass by but until I gave it a shot I didn't even know how I manage to play so well xpac was the only character I recognized at the time cuz I never really watched wrestling :) great ge though.
  • Josh-TheFunkDOCJosh-TheFunkDOC Double Dutch! Joined: Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone in this thread!

    I just came back from Maffew's No Mercy tournament at Magfest, which had a full 32-man bracket and was bigger than SF4 there. Despite not having played the game in like 10 years, I came in 2nd with X-Pac! I somehow managed to beat someone (an Undertaker) who was 10x better than me at the fundamentals, but lost in the finals to an Austin who just kept countering all my offense on reaction. Still did better than I expected, and it was well worth the day spent there!

    I feel like X-Pac doesn't necessarily belong in a tier of his own - his crappy strikes make it hard for me to get anything going on people who counter well. Austin does much better in that regard and also has the sleeper, so that matchup seems like it could be fairly even. X-Pac's matchups vs. superheavyweights are what keep him at #1, I think. X-Pac/Austin/Andre for top 3 imo.
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  • DavDzDavDz Joined: Posts: 464
    I have a question, how exactly does Benoit rank in this game. I used to watch playthroughs with people doing speed runs with Benoit because he had the highest stats of any wrestler in the game


    WWF No Mercy was a game me and my brother used to play very competitively. Pretty much gave me my first taste of actual competitive play. Had I known there would have been a competitive scene for it, I would have been all up in there.


    Also, to people who say THQ dropped the ball on later games, THQ doesn't really have anything to do with the development of those games or the current WWE games. They're just a publisher. Syn Sophia [ or Aki Corporation as they were known back in the day] developed the N64 wrestling games like WCW Vs NWO World Tour, WCW/NWO Revenge, Wrestlemania 2k, and WWF No Mercy. They later went on to do the Def Jam games [Vendetta, Fight for NY, and that PSP game]. Yukes is the one developing the current WWE games. Or should I say were given how THQ just filed for bankruptcy not too long ago.


    seeing WWE wrestlefest get released, I was actually hoping this game would get rereleased. But I was pretty sure it would get the usual treatment [injecting the current whack ass "PG era" "superstars" into the game, censoring unneccesary stuff, cutting out wrestlers, etc]. Not sure if I wanna see that. Though it would be nice to have the game in some shape.

    -back on topic-


    Which of the "Bigs" is the best. I thought guys like Andre The Giant had the potential to be broken
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  • Diet SNK With LimeDiet SNK With Lime BUTTxROCK Joined: Posts: 226
    I used to code hack these games with game shark. There was a pretty cool community back then, the collective knowledge of which could answer any technical question you could conceive of.

    I never played it competitively though because I hated how the end result looked nothing like a wrestling match.
  • Red LotusRed Lotus Unique like everyone else Joined: Posts: 416
    Just wanted to give a huge thanks to everyone in this thread!

    I just came back from Maffew's No Mercy tournament at Magfest, which had a full 32-man bracket and was bigger than SF4 there. Despite not having played the game in like 10 years, I came in 2nd with X-Pac! I somehow managed to beat someone (an Undertaker) who was 10x better than me at the fundamentals, but lost in the finals to an Austin who just kept countering all my offense on reaction. Still did better than I expected, and it was well worth the day spent there!

    I feel like X-Pac doesn't necessarily belong in a tier of his own - his crappy strikes make it hard for me to get anything going on people who counter well. Austin does much better in that regard and also has the sleeper, so that matchup seems like it could be fairly even. X-Pac's matchups vs. superheavyweights are what keep him at #1, I think. X-Pac/Austin/Andre for top 3 imo.

    X-Pac is literally the only character that makes it possible to beat someone with better fundamentals than yourself. Although it's surprising you beat an Undertaker, because he's got waaay better Irish Whip combos than X-Pac, and his big boot has weird properties. Normally, when a player spams submissions, they build meter slowly because they're using the same move. When someone does an Irish whip combo on them, they lose most of their attitude, and the player who used variety has a big lead on meter. Submission spam makes it hard to comeback from behind, unless it's X-Pac who can build meter easier. Although he's not without his weaknesses. As you mentioned he has poor strong strikes, and he has a problem against characters with really good Irish whip combos.

    Top 3...hmm. I'd put HBK over both Austin and Andre. Mick Foley/Mankind over Andre.
    I used to code hack these games with game shark. There was a pretty cool community back then, the collective knowledge of which could answer any technical question you could conceive of.

    I never played it competitively though because I hated how the end result looked nothing like a wrestling match.

    I always thought using the Irish whip combos made the matches look a lot more like an actual wrestling match.
    I have a question, how exactly does Benoit rank in this game. I used to watch playthroughs with people doing speed runs with Benoit because he had the highest stats of any wrestler in the game....

    Stats aren't as important as the moves themselves. Benoit has pretty good high flying moves and grapples, but his basic strikes are about average, which puts him at a disadvantage against someone like Jericho or Bradshaw who have really good strikes.
  • DavDzDavDz Joined: Posts: 464



    Stats aren't as important as the moves themselves. Benoit has pretty good high flying moves and grapples, but his basic strikes are about average, which puts him at a disadvantage against someone like Jericho or Bradshaw who have really good strikes.


    Honestly, if I remember correctly Bradshaw has pretty shitty stamina. I am not sure how much of a advantage his strikes would put him at over someone like Benoit.

    Any videos of high level play for this game?
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  • Red LotusRed Lotus Unique like everyone else Joined: Posts: 416
    DavDz said:
    Honestly, if I remember correctly Bradshaw has pretty shitty stamina. I am not sure how much of a advantage his strikes would put him at over someone like Benoit.

    Any videos of high level play for this game?
    Move Synergy >>> Parameters

    Benoit's synergy is bad.  His strong grabs and specials target the head, but his weak grabs target the body and arms.  That means all the damage Benoit does early match, goes to waste when he gets to special.  If Benoit Pins his opponent, then it's fine. The problem is his slow strikes are easy to reverse and hard to combo with, making it hard to pressure people when he's on special.  Having high parameters and powerful grabs doesn't help when you can't use them. 

    The Bradshaw hammer is one of the best strikes in the game.  It's very fast, and combos absurdly well.  Despite not being a submission character, Bradshaw has all the tools he needs to get a body submission , since he has weak grabs and strong grabs that target the body.  He can also target the head, and possibly K.O. when he's on special.  Even though his specials aren't as strong as Benoit, the fact that his weak grapples help set them up makes them more effective.

    Overall Bradshaw > Benoit.

    As for high level play, I haven't seen any on youtube.  Most people are just fooling around.  I don't really see anyone taking advantage of the mechanics of the game much, because it's so easy to enjoy on a rudimentary level.
  • danomightydanomighty WTFSRK Joined: Posts: 1,347
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    HOLD DAT!
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  • BearKubBearKub Joined: Posts: 1
    I have a few questions. First, what exactly are Irish Whip combos? I probably know the answer to that but I'll ask anyway. Secondly, what went into making this list? I'm intrigued by some of your choices. Lastly, what is this No Mercy "competitive scene"? I seriously would want to go to one of those things with my Chris Jericho.
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    dat high lv stl vpw2 matches.
    I was hung over from both drinking and smoking yesterday so to clam down the smoking and hangover I smoked some more...
    HOLD DAT!
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  • NorieagaNorieaga FADC x ROFLCOPTER Joined: Posts: 4,223
    Used to love these games. There are tier lists for No Mercy, lol?
  • RoguelikeRoguelike Joined: Posts: 115
    danomighty wrote: »
    dat high lv stl vpw2 matches.
    Still a better wrestling show than RAW
  • Red LotusRed Lotus Unique like everyone else Joined: Posts: 416
    BearKub wrote: »
    I have a few questions. First, what exactly are Irish Whip combos? I probably know the answer to that but I'll ask anyway. Secondly, what went into making this list? I'm intrigued by some of your choices. Lastly, what is this No Mercy "competitive scene"? I seriously would want to go to one of those things with my Chris Jericho.

    1. When you Irish Whip an opponent into the turnbuckle or onto the ropes and then hit them with a strike or grab.
    2. Based on experience and countless hours of gameplay with about 10 of my friends. We played it faithfully throughout the Attitude Era. Strikes and throws tend to have their own unique properties, and there is some seriously unbalanced stuff in this game. Though submissions are hard to abuse in multiplayer.
    3. Not much of a scene that I know of, though, some guys were talking about bringing an N64 to a Final Round.
  • scotthedge12scotthedge12 Joined: Posts: 1
    Interesting tier list. I know this is a super old post but can someone explain how to do a sleeper from a weak grab with Steve austin, kurt angle, and the others listed because they don't have standing sleeping as their grapples. Only chyna and tori do. A bar in chicago is doing a no mercy tournament and I liked these tips but they don't make sense to me
  • j1mmmyj1mmmy Joined: Posts: 1
    Can we open this thread back up for discussion? I'm in the process of working on Frame Data for this game, I will also provide this site with general tech and strats for the game to level everyone up. Glad to see there is a community for this game and I appreciate the help if anyone else is willing to work on the Frame Data with me.
  • SentailSentail Joined: Posts: 1
    So hey guys iam new here so help me out here so iam playing this game on a emulator for android how do i taunt i can't find a good controller from were i am so pls help
  • brainfraudbrainfraud Joined: Posts: 255
    I still have all these N64 wrestling games, in fact I have two copies of No Mercy.

    Still got my CAW's too. I had created a CAW specifically designed for the Royal Rumble, his entire moveset was based around being the most efficient at eliminating opponents over the top rope.


    His name....The Royal Rumbler, he gonna getcha! He looked like Steve Blackman with denim pants and Stone Colds vest.

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