Sailor Moon S - Arcana Heart? We know thee not. The All-Girls Fighter of kings. (Discord in OP)

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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    So I decided to interview Yipes about this game at PAX. Because who wants to see another boring old Marvel video.

    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
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  • AlzarathAlzarath Remember, salt is part of a balanced diet. Joined: Posts: 3,536
    Sup bros, anyone still care about this game? lol... ANYWAY

    Around 40mins of matches from last night, starting at about 2:50. Spur of the moment thing kinda. Players were:

    Alzarath (Neptune/Mercury)
    XAQShinor (Mars)
    Mynus (Jupiter)
    DaiAndOh (Blue Uranus)
    A3Religion (Black Uranus)
    DandyStepper (Mercury)

    Been a minute since I touched this, felt good to go in on it even for a little while :D
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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    I was about to post this. Good job Alz.

    It would be great to actually have a dedicated gathering/stream/tournament for this game one weekend, with NTF, Skillionaire, Yipes, Roku, etc. (not like ACR drops anytime soon).
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  • FuddFudd High Level Parking Joined: Posts: 1,215
    +1 for "how did I only see this thread now?"

    Spirit Juice introduced the game to me about a year or two ago and it's good shit. It's brutal and cheap, like Super Turbo. Thread subscribed.
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  • AlzarathAlzarath Remember, salt is part of a balanced diet. Joined: Posts: 3,536
    orochi1017 wrote: »
    I was about to post this. Good job Alz.

    It would be great to actually have a dedicated gathering/stream/tournament for this game one weekend, with NTF, Skillionaire, Yipes, Roku, etc. (not like ACR drops anytime soon).

    Maybe we should try and set something up over the summer? I'd love another chance to showcase this game ;o

    "For the amount of new players who play FGs, you won’t see nearly enough new talent in top 8s. This is because too many people are bitches." - Aris

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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    I care, I'm just having piss poor luck finding a Linux emulator that'll run this game right anymore. Either it won't go past character select, or there's random invisible projectiles.
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  • POS IndustriesPOS Industries As seen on TV! Joined: Posts: 48
    Please tell me somebody's running a setup for this at Evo.

    And if nobody is, how do we make this happen?
  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 11,330
    edited June 2013
    I thought up a tier list for the Super S version while playing with friends the other day.

    Top:
    Saturn

    High:
    Neptune

    Mid:
    Jupiter
    Mars
    Pluto
    Moon
    Uranus
    Mercury
    Venus


    Bottom:
    Chibi-Moon

    Saturn is so powerful it's not funny. Her weak air fireball can lock many characters in the corner (you can backdash to avoid damage but you will be stuck there, and sooner or later one will hit you),, she has insane priority with her staff, if she throws you in the corner she can mix you up extremely badly, her projectile damage is extremely high, and she has a great desperation that can infinite on hit OR block (though it is extremely hard to do.) You can block the last hit of her desperation, but the chip will hurt (Still better than the 50% it does unblocked.) Only real weakness is a lack of a reversal (though she has a quick backdash, so using that when under pressure will get her out of many situations.)

    Neptune's DP is the best DP in the game, and she still has her low projectile and even gained a decent high projectile. Solid character all around.

    Jupiter lost her ground projectile and got an average one in return, but she is still a powerhouse that can chip you badly with her air fireball and 360 you all day.

    Mars lost her AA fireball and got another bad one. Still has her great ax kick and corner lock, but zoning is harder for her.

    Pluto can hurt if she corners you with her fierce tornado and her new AA projectile helps her a lot. Bad normals though.

    Moon lost her air fireball and got a shit ground one in return. Still an okay shoto.

    Uranus gained a slow startup anti-air projectile and still has her Shadow Dash move (not sure she can still infinite off of it.). She lacks a solid reversal but her offense makes her a major threat (provided she gets in safely.)

    Mercury lost her good charge fireball for a bad non charge one. Still good with her normals and tornado, but that fireball loss hurts quite a bit.

    Venus blah blah ground fireball blah blah shit ground fireball blah blah queen of chipping blah blah needs corner to be effective.

    Chibi-moon just plain sucks and requires a lot of skill to play. She lost her fullscreen chip DM and got a auto tracking instant hit projectile in return, but the startup and recovery are horrible.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    edited June 2013
    Please tell me somebody's running a setup for this at Evo.

    And if nobody is, how do we make this happen?

    The first time I come to Evo (not this year sadly), everyone better get their sticks prepped for SNES, because I'm bringing my SNES with my hard copy of the game. No emus when I'm around.

    If no one brings a setup, just bring your laptop, ZSNES, and a ROM.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    Honestly, that was what I hated about Super S, is a lot of characters lost great tools for really bad ones, some lost mediocre ones for bad ones, and one character that really didn't need a buff was Neptune, and she got one, and Saturn is just...retarded. Obviously Akuma in this game.
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  • POS IndustriesPOS Industries As seen on TV! Joined: Posts: 48
    If no one brings a setup, just bring your laptop, ZSNES, and a ROM.
    Yeah, I was afraid it was gonna come down to me having to do it myself and just wanted to make sure nobody else was planning to before I brought a whole bunch of extra crap with me to Evo.

    Guess I'll have to go ahead and test out whether the old laptop supports PS3 sticks.
  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 11,330
    edited June 2013
    Honestly, that was what I hated about Super S, is a lot of characters lost great tools for really bad ones, some lost mediocre ones for bad ones, and one character that really didn't need a buff was Neptune, and she got one, and Saturn is just...retarded. Obviously Akuma in this game.

    Yeah, I'm sure there are other nerfs I'm missing. I know Jupiter got her Axel Kick nerfed (no longer hits 15 times on cross up.) It still does, I was just doing it wrong.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    When I can, I'm practicing Jupiter and Moon. I've got some good Neptune tech now, I just need more matchup experience.

    (Which I'm obviously not going to get without being back around actual players of the game.)

    @Alzarath, does Mynus know about Jupiter's BDC Air Projectile? I think it'd be a useful tool in his inventory, and there are certainly several instances where it's going to be needed.
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  • AlzarathAlzarath Remember, salt is part of a balanced diet. Joined: Posts: 3,536
    Yeah, I'm pretty sure he knows.
    "For the amount of new players who play FGs, you won’t see nearly enough new talent in top 8s. This is because too many people are bitches." - Aris

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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    Cool, just thought I'd ask because I didn't remember seeing it in his matches.

    Not to say it's the easiest thing to do in the game, though. But it really is useful for a Jupiter player.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited July 2013
    I can see why they didn't bother with the life bar in training mode.
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    edit: Which one looks better?
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    I occasionally stream so you can see how boring poking around in the memory is. www.hitbox.tv/jedpossum

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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    edited July 2013
    So I found you can do supers with <10 seconds left on the clock, regardless of health. Is this well known?
    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,694
    orochi1017 wrote: »
    So I found you can do supers with <10 seconds left on the clock, regardless of health. Is this well known?
    Wow that's a pretty cool mechanic actually lol
  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    Also pretty sure I found charge buffering in this game. Not sure how useful it will be though. Does anyone except Venus have a flashkick motion?
    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    edited August 2013
    Finished up the script it allows supers at any time now.
    Supers can kill the opponent so if your dummy is at low life then attack till it resets again.


    Bizhawk
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/8xphbt5x89dvj8d/SailorMoonTraining(Bizhawk).lua

    Snes 9x RR 1.43
    http://www.mediafire.com/download/tw4m5emt049o2ds/sailormoontraining(snes9x).lua

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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    Myself and Alzarath got netplay working...and it works pretty well!

    http://www.z-net.us/

    But yeah, let's play at NEC if anyone is going!
    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,694
    Wish Z-net had spectating like ggpo lol
  • AlzarathAlzarath Remember, salt is part of a balanced diet. Joined: Posts: 3,536
    Finally found the old jp match vids I used to study :D

    http://www.nicovideo.jp/mylist/14729084#+sort=1
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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    RoGE9 wrote: »
    Wish Z-net had spectating like ggpo lol

    I'd be willing to stream if it could. Well I can always stream offline play....

    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
    "The purpose of striking a pose is not to become like a wallpaper. That's why we chant loudly when we pose, to draw attention to our magnificence."
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    How's lag on Z-Net?

    I'll get in on that when I get back to the States.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    @jedpossum though, bringing new life into this game. Awesome, now I have a way to test shit out and know exactly what I'm dealing with.

    Any hope for training mode hitboxes? I would really love to see hitboxes on this stuff.
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,694
    If it's like Zbattle then you can get some (almost) lagless matches if the connection between you and your opponent is solid.
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    RoGE9 wrote: »
    If it's like Zbattle then you can get some (almost) lagless matches if the connection between you and your opponent is solid.

    Awesome. I'll jump on that, want to sharpen my ish up.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    If there was one thing I could change about this game, it would be to have the ability to charge at the start of the round. It's a unique nuance to this game, but I'm not a fan of it.

    Of course, it's universal, but for characters like Neptune, it assures them that they can start playing the spacing game faster.
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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    Oh wow. For some reason I thought that was just me. Damn, that kind of sucks.
    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
    "The purpose of striking a pose is not to become like a wallpaper. That's why we chant loudly when we pose, to draw attention to our magnificence."
  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    edited December 2013
    No, if you watch any high level match, no one throws out charge moves at the beginning, and that's why. SMS does not accept inputs until the round officially starts. One of those weird quirks about their engine.

    I also tried on the hard copy version just to make sure it wasn't something strange with the emulator or the ROM, and it's the same.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    @orochi1017 @Alzarath, which version of ZSNES are you guys using with z-net? I know there's a couple of versions that simply won't work with Sailor Moon S.
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,694
    edited December 2013
    I believe 1.36 works with some sound glitches, 1.42 has more accurate emulation but I hear that version is worse for online play.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    I know that Z-Net's site says 1.42 has max compatibility, and 1.36 has the best stability. I'll have to try both out later.
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  • AlzarathAlzarath Remember, salt is part of a balanced diet. Joined: Posts: 3,536
    We used 1.36
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  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    Confirming 1.36. Didn't hear anything bad going on with the sound.
    It's DaiAndOh or just Dai
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 11,330
    Gonna try to play this with some friends this weekend. Bout to make them cry with Saturn again.
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  • Missing PersonMissing Person Righto. Joined: Posts: 13,795
    That's really awesome.
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  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,694
    edited January 2014
    How do I use that training program? Guys halp


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