FEEL HEAVEN'S WRATH: Thor Thread Reloaded.

Saitsuofleaves

Thor, the Asgardian God of Thunder, good, mighty, arrogant, in MvC3 he is a powerhouse of damage. If he touches you, he will make it hurt. He is a versatile grappler in this game, and after trials of being...absolutely atrocious, Thor seems to have gotten tweaks so he can be relevant in this game.

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Special Moves:

Mighty Spark (can be done in air)

Thor gathers electricity in Mjolnir, as he thrusts it forward firing a beam like projectile of lightning. It's a decent projectile and it beats out a number of things. However, it seems only the has any kind of worth. The other two strengths have far too great startup. Not to mention, the projectile can be ducked. Use with discretion...a LOT of discretion...

Mighty Smash

Thor rises in the air surrounded by lightning then comes crashing down. It's a good move for keeping up pressure, can't say much for how safe it is. It's also good for OTG purposes to combo into Mighty Thunder. It also seems to be good as an assist, but more on that later.

Mighty Strike (can be done in air)

Basically Might Smash without the smash. He can go a couple of different directions depending on button strength. This will be his main source of mobility considering his dashes aren't exactly great. The true potential of this move will be seen, but until someone actually uses the move more often, it's hard to tell.

Mighty Hurricane (can be done in air)

Thor's command grab. This is his livelihood. Whether he's able to hit this or not will probably determine whether he wins or loses. Its range has been fixed since the TGS build and now has a healthy range. He grabs his opponent, spins in the air, then smashes them down popping them up so he can continue the combo. Decent damage and the fact it starts combos makes it good, but it all depends on that range. Since its fixed, I see good things for Thor.

Flight (can be done in air)

Thor's flight. Pretty much not that much different from other flight modes. He probably has combos with it. Very few people use it so we'll see how it goes.

Mighty Speech

Thor glows and goes into an epic rant while building meter very quickly. It seems you can also cancel out of it at any time, so you're not completely vulnerable. Probably won't be used THAT seriously, but none the less, it's a fun move to use.

Hyper Combos:

Mighty Tornado (can be done in air)

BY ODIN'S BEARD, MIGHTY TORNADO!!!!!!!!!!!! *whiff* FUUUUUUUUUUUUUU! You'll be seeing that a lot it seems early on as people can not seem to figure out to NOT DO THIS A FULL SCREEN AWAY. Sorry, just still bugs me.

Anyway, Thor holds Mjolnir close then thrusts it up, enveloping himself within a massive lightning tornado, hitting anyone near it. It's a solid Hyper, good for air combos and anti-crossups...just try not doing it unless a person is close or you will get hurt.

Mighty Thunder

Thor does the Lightning version of Magnetic Shockwave, by placing Mjolnir at the ground and erupting Lighting from the ground in front of him. Good after an OTG, and good for DHC's. You won't be using it much, but it's good for utilities.

Mighty Punish

Thor grabs his opponent, sends him skyward, throws Mjolnir up and has it strike the opponent down with it. It's a VERY fast grab, possibly 0-1 frame (it's been noted that if you're in range and not jumping or doing something with invul frames before the flash, you're caught). Good damage. Use it for finishing off an opponent or if you're still not completely confident in Hurricane combos.

Syke1

clean

Saitsuofleaves

Reserved

Windsagio

Mighty Punish on forced tag in == hot.

Saitsuofleaves

Reserved 2

ogrimtitan

Thanks for doing this. Just a couple notes:

- It seems that Mighty Spark is good for more than just a projectile (though the number of projectiles it beats does make it useful for that). It turns out that the startup "charge" has a hitbox, making it useful for anti-air and some other stuff.

- I'm pretty sure (though not 100%) that both Mighty Smash and Strike were made safe on block.

- Since they reduced the startup on Mighty Thunder, it definitely deserves healthy use, as it seems to do a ton of damage.

Edit: Good title. Also might consider: "You Can't Touch This."

Bronzefist

Thanks for the rebooted thread!

Random gimmick I been thinking of:

Any non-hitting super (to avoid putting opponent in block/hitstun) DHCed into Thor's super grab.

So something like:
Wesker counter super-->DHC-->Mighty Punish
Ammy slow super--->DHC-->Mighty Punish
Phoenix Healing field--->DHC-->Mighty Punish
etc etc etc.

I'm still not convinced this dude is bottom tier like everyone says. I REALLY don't think Ryu is better than him. Only thing Ryu has that's better is Shinkuu and anti air. Thor has way better endurance & damage, flight, a fucking tri jump, a very good pressure assist, a super that OTGs (will be valuable in many situations), a level 1 super grab for gimmicks/setups (every other super grab seems to be lvl 3), and air grab for resets. So no I don't think Ryu is better at all. He still can't dash into normals can he?

Plus Thor's tri jump will be easy unblockable setups with low assists. I'll still give Ryu credit for Shinkuu DHCs/chip though lol.

Really though tier standing doesn't matter that much to me. My main concern is that the game is relatively balanced, so that being low tier isn't a death sentence like MvC2. Every game always has a low tier and that's fine, the main question is whether they still get some tools to still be competitive.

Sylari

wtf lame!

I'm still not convinced this dude is bottom tier like everyone says.

Well most of the people who said that were doing so with earlier builds where he had a lot of weak stuff. His grab looks so much better now, and Mighty Punish looks like it could be a really good.. uhh... punish now that it's not a level 3.

ogrimtitan

Pft... "low tier" my ass. If people have had the game for a year and Thor is below mid-high tier, I will be seriously surprised and disappointed. Any character who can hit X-Factor and KO a full-health opponent in a single jump in -> combo -> launcher -> magic series without even using meter CANNOT be that bad. And it's not like Thor has no tools. He's slow, but his arsenal is actually decent, it just has quirks.

Saitsuofleaves

ogrimtitan, post: 4978041 wrote:

Pft... "low tier" my ass. If people have had the game for a year and Thor is below mid-high tier, I will be seriously surprised and disappointed. Any character who can hit X-Factor and KO a full-health opponent in a single jump in -> combo -> launcher -> magic series without even using meter CANNOT be that bad. And it's not like Thor has no tools. He's slow, but his arsenal is actually decent, it just has quirks.

Short of the opponent being Zero/Phoenix...that X-Factor will have to be Level 3 for that to happen.

ogrimtitan

Well frankly, a lot of the characters that are getting the most attention from players ARE low-health, but that wasn't really my point. I'm just saying that the level of damage Thor can dish out with such MINIMAL effort is almost unprecedented for this series. With that in his pocket, a good player is only going to need maybe one opening to potentially sweep a match.

Syke1

Minimal effort? Thats if the nigga can even catch you. The effort is getting in in the first place.

ogrimtitan

Very true, which is why I said he needs an opening. If he had no trouble catching his opponents AND had that damage, he'd be the new Sentinel and then some. Anyway, I'm not saying he's gonna be god tier (ironically), but I do think his early poor showings are causing people to sleep on him a LOT.

Sevans

Bronzefist, post: 4978039 wrote:

Any non-hitting super (to avoid putting opponent in block/hitstun) DHCed into Thor's super grab.

So something like:
Ammy slow super--->DHC-->Mighty Punish

Hmmm. In the CES vids, UltraDavid was having problems blocking VJ's overhead on reaction after being slowed. I wonder if something similar would happen here. Dirty, dirty tricks.

Bronzefist

Saitsuofleaves, post: 4978042 wrote:

Short of the opponent being Zero/Phoenix...that X-Factor will have to be Level 3 for that to happen.

Hrmm I doubt it'll need to be level three, but I do think Thor will need to spend meter at the end of his combo and use either Tornado super or Mighty Shockwave. Combos build meter so quick in this game that I doubt it will be a problem.

I think Thor is going to excel at resets with is command grab in the air, flight mode, and tri jump. IMHO he'll be able to punish people hard for trying to mash out of air exchange. Apparently the ground bounce (+) during air exchanges will give advance you to the next level of super meter, so that will greatly benefit Thor's team if he's paired up with a meter-whore like Phoenix. So if the opponent is pre-occupied with escaping your air exchange to prevent meter build up, then Thor can use that to his advantage and theoretically reset into his air to air grab for ANOTHER combo.

But Syke is right--Thor needs to get in lol. I think it'll be especially hard during the first few months when everyone is gonna whore keepaway (bet it). However at least it'll be a learning experience.


What teams you guys plan on using? Anyone entertaining the idea of Thor on point? All the teams I plan him on are some straight fanboy/dreamteam shit, and willl be heavily susceptible to keepaway but I don't give a fuck. They're characters I actually like:


She Hulk (torpedo) / Thor (Mighty Smash) / Hulk (Gamma Wave)
-Gonna be my main team. Hopefully Gamma Wave assist will help She Hulk and Thor get in a little easier. Mighty Smash assist will benefit everyone. Torpedo assist will benefit everyone. Big problems? Zoning/Keep-away derp. Lack of Chip. Lack of safe DHCs on block. Strengths: All seems to have good & high stamina. Thor-->Hulk should have really good DHCs on hit. Thor and Hulk should easily have 100% combos, maybe without the use of X-Factor, but with the use of DHCs. I think She-Hulk will be a reset monster. I'ma play that team, tier ranking be damned. I think Thor may be able to manage on point sometimes too.

Thor (Mighty Smash) / Hulk (Gamma Charge AA) / Phoenix (TK Shot)
-I thought of them for lulz. Will probably fail horribly, but I just threw Phoenix in there cause of the stuff I posted above, and Thor / Hulk can stay alive a long time due to health. You build meter even when blocking, so if they are getting fucked due to chip then at least Phoenix will still get some benefit out of it. Mighty Smash is a great assist for damn near anyone. It will be killer for Dark Phoenix if Thor is still alive. Gamma Charge anti air assist will benefit everyone as well because of the super armor, and both Thor and Phoenix seem to lack AA. That's definitely not the best Phoenix team, but I may play them due to laziness during the first few weeks/months. I don't feel like trying to learn so many characters, and I want to fuck around with Phoenix

crimsonspider89

Against zoning Lei Lei's gong will be invaluable for Thor. IMO, that will allow him to get in. Rushdown, you need to make them fight when you want to fight.

jak d ripr

So OP, you said thor got some buffs in the later builds, so he isn't complete ass anymore I take it? And if you don't mind what buffs did he get? His normals still seem a little shitty, I haven't seen enough of him to have a proper opinion but I think super armor might actually help him out a bit, without making him cheap. I do think the problem is that he can do so many things but none of them really well, he can fly, I heard he has an 8 way dash, has a projectile, and has a command grab. But I am interested in him and I hope he isn't complete shit.

Hawkingbird

I plan on using Thor with Felicia and Super Skrull. I feel that Mighty Smash will be a great assist for Felicia rushdown shenanigans. I'm hoping it be good for Skrull to land some easy slams. I'm not confident in using Thor as a point character at the moment

Saitsuofleaves

jak d ripr, post: 4978049 wrote:

So OP, you said thor got some buffs in the later builds, so he isn't complete ass anymore I take it? And if you don't mind what buffs did he get? His normals still seem a little shitty, I haven't seen enough of him to have a proper opinion but I think super armor might actually help him out a bit, without making him cheap. I do think the problem is that he can do so many things but none of them really well, he can fly, I heard he has an 8 way dash, has a projectile, and has a command grab. But I am interested in him and I hope he isn't complete shit.

Well the buff of importance is the fact that his CG range is actually pretty good now instead of utter ass. That will make all the difference. His normals don't have to be that great, because at the most, they're just a distraction so you can nail Mighty Hurricane or Mighty Punish.

crimsonspider89

UltraDavid said all his normals are multi hit I believe. They do good damage, his Mighty Smash was improved to help set up his launcher now.

jak d ripr

crimsonspider89, post: 4978052 wrote:

UltraDavid said all his normals are multi hit I believe. They do good damage, his Mighty Smash was improved to help set up his launcher now.

What do you mean when you say multi-hit? Like they hit more than once? Cool, but-and I ask this passively-how will they help thor in the long run?

Saitsuofleaves, post: 4978051 wrote:

Well the buff of importance is the fact that his CG range is actually pretty good now instead of utter ass. That will make all the difference. His normals don't have to be that great, because at the most, they're just a distraction so you can nail Mighty Hurricane or Mighty Punish.

Cool, good to know. I was very excited when I saw he had an air grab because I was having ippastuman flashbacks, but then people got their hands on the game and I saw none of this stuff. But its good to know his grab has better range, and his command grab super looks very good actually, I've seen ultradavid land it on a lot of characters as they are coming in.

ogrimtitan

Bronzefist, post: 4978047 wrote:

What teams you guys plan on using? Anyone entertaining the idea of Thor on point? All the teams I plan him on are some straight fanboy/dreamteam shit, and willl be heavily susceptible to keepaway but I don't give a fuck.

I'm planning on maining Thor, building a team around him, and refining it and refining it until I have something that can compete with whatever turns out to be top tier in this game (would be funny if it included Thor, hah!).

Right now, strictly in the realm of theory-craft, I'm planning on using a team of Wesker or Super-Skrull/Thor/Hsien Ko or Amaterasu. The basic idea is to open with Wesker, supporting his pressure game with Mighty Smash and Pendulum (against rushdown teams) or Gong (against keepaway teams) assists. When he gets in, the plan is to either air exchange or DHC to Thor at the end of a combo for big damage. Then Thor keeps pressure on with assists and resets until either victory or he gets too disrupted to try to continue.

At that point, either start the strategy over with Wesker, or bring Hsien Ko in to start her own offense by changing the flow of the match from aggressive to zoning with all the shit she can toss around. When she's ready to tag out, she'll DHC out of her Dark Force hyper so that all her assists will have hyper armor.

The alternative is to use Skrull instead of Wesker and/or Ammy instead of Hsien Ko, in which case he'll use Tenderizer for assist, command grab a lot, and DHC Thor in off one of his easy-to-land supers, and she'll use Cold Stars or reflector for assist, use her whip weapon for zoning, and DHC Thor in off of her slow hyper to bring the opponent's speed down to manageable.

At least, in theory... ;)

Edit: Here are a couple fun vids of Thor from the more recent build.

KimuraLOX

I planned on using Thor/Arthur/Hulk...might replace Art with Spencer, dunno yet...hell, the last 2 might not even be used! All I know is I'm playing THOR!

ogrimtitan

I think the important thing for Thor (being a more complex character to make competitive) is going to be figuring out what TYPES of characters are going to go well with him.

For example, keepaway characters (MODOK, Arthur, Dorm)--even if they have useful assists--aren't going to set Thor up for much of anything.

Rushdown characters *might* be useful, in the sense that they can get in there and then he can come in to mop up, but certain ones will be more or less useful. (i.e. - X-23, Super-Skrull, and Wesker will probably be harder to shake off, and they each have potentially reliable DHCs, while Morrigan and Iron Man have a more "get in, then back off" style and supers that push the opponent away).

And then there's that whole range of characters in between that are a totally mixed bag. She-Hulk could work, since she's hard to keep out and has close-range supers, Ammy and Joe both have slows that Thor will find useful, and Hsien Ko and Taskmaster have potentially great assist combos with him. On the other hand, Spidey, Dante, and Ryu don't seem to have anything that would create great synergy.

Just my $0.02.

CheshireMoose

I can't wait for people to tap Thor's potential. I haven't seen people utilize his tri-dash or command throw yet so I'm hoping there's potential in that. Also, on Thor's official page it looks like they forgot to list one of his hypers

MARVEL VS. CAPCOM 3: Fate of Two Worlds | Characters - Thor

Bronzefist

Also, I think Thor's and Mighty Sparks are going to see some combo use as well. Particularly after his command throw, as shown in his reveal trailer:



He does:

air to air command throw--> xx mighty spark--> xx mighty smash-->launch-->etc

However the combo may only work in the corner. Also note that it didn't do much damage in the vid compared to stuff we see now, since it was an older build.

NissanZaxima

Geez 2 whole pages I can tell SRK has a lot of Thor fans lol.

Or it might be this cancerous theory fighting that goes on which has somehow already deemed Thor "low-tier". Scared a lot of the kiddies away.

Howtoread

NissanZaxima, post: 4978059 wrote:

Geez 2 whole pages I can tell SRK has a lot of Thor fans lol..

(This thread is only a day old.)

NissanZaxima

Howtoread, post: 4978060 wrote:

(This thread is only a day old.)

I'm an idiot. Didn't even bother to check that. I just assumed it had gotten started around the time of his reveal.

Tizoc

The equivalent of heaven in Norse myth is Valhala...

mysticsphere

NissanZaxima, post: 4978059 wrote:

Geez 2 whole pages I can tell SRK has a lot of Thor fans lol.

Or it might be this cancerous theory fighting that goes on which has somehow already deemed Thor "low-tier". Scared a lot of the kiddies away.

I think Trish has the smallest thread. She only has 9 pages and is still on her first thread.

ogrimtitan

Yeah, I think there actually is a fair margin of players who are or would be interested in playing Thor. It's really a shame that so much of the early stuff scared people off of him.

Oh well, I guess now they have more time to figure out how to recombine Storm, Sentinel, Magneto, and Doom with Dante for exciting, new styles of play!

Robo-mitsu

Maybe this thread will be a blank slate, freeing us from the 'Thor is ass' bandwagon.

Windsagio

And the 'omg command taunt!' spam >>

I get a feeling that they're gonna nuke everything and want us to restart from scratch if/when they make subforums.

NickRocks

i dont like thors moveset at all.

jak d ripr

NickGuy0320, post: 4978067 wrote:

i dont like thors moveset at all.

Really how come? Oh and OMG thor has a lot of health, joe hits him with a lvl 3 x-factored mach speed and it does ass damage on him.

crimsonspider89

Yeah, Thor seems to have the most health out of all the characters.

Bronzefist

I think Hulk has the most health, followed by Thor. After that I dunno. Probably Haggar or Sent.

Joe's Mach Speed doesn't do much damage cause he can combo after it.

Howtoread

NissanZaxima, post: 4978061 wrote:

I'm an idiot. Didn't even bother to check that. I just assumed it had gotten started around the time of his reveal.

S'fine, they're restarting a bunch of character threads now.

NickRocks

jak d ripr, post: 4978068 wrote:

Really how come?

no hammer throw, lame (IMO) specials. mighty dunk/strike whatever that shit is looks lame to me.

jak d ripr

NickGuy0320, post: 4978072 wrote:

no hammer throw, lame (IMO) specials. mighty dunk/strike whatever that shit is looks lame to me.

Yea, the thought of a hammer throw never crossed my mind, now its exclusion does seem surprising although since he usually takes a long ass time to wind the hammer prior to toss I can't really think of a practical way it could have been included. You are entitled to your opinion, I was merely curious cause I really like his moveset. Were you planning on teaming him with sentinel?

Bronzefist

Hammer throw coulda been his projectile but I guess that they thought it would be too similar to Cap's shield throw? I dunno.

IIRC the only time he throws his hammer is during his super grab.

NickRocks

jak d ripr, post: 4978073 wrote:

Yea, the thought of a hammer throw never crossed my mind, now its exclusion does seem surprising although since he usually takes a long ass time to wind the hammer prior to toss I can't really think of a practical way it could have been included. You are entitled to your opinion, I was merely curious cause I really like his moveset. Were you planning on teaming him with sentinel?

no i just wanted thor to be awesome because im a big thor fan. but i hate grapplers in vs games

jak d ripr

NickGuy0320, post: 4978075 wrote:

no i just wanted thor to be awesome because im a big thor fan. but i hate grapplers in vs games

Yea I guess, he might turn out awesome though, I have my fingers crossed. I always pictured sentinel as the blueprint for how to handle a grappler in a vs game, super armor, really good tools for getting in and staying in, tons and tons of health. Unless im mistaken he has a command grab in mvc 3 right?

KimuraLOX

The hammer throw could have been incorporated to a level 3 somehow...*shrugs*

crimsonspider89

I really don't see him as much of a grappler though. Has one command grab, same as Tron and one grab hyper same as Tron. Think of him as more of a mobile bruiser and that is what I think of him. Honestly, I probably won't use his grabs as much as his other moves. Except maybe in the air since he can perform it while flying. Thinking that will be the best scenario to use it in.

jak d ripr

KimuraLOX, post: 4978077 wrote:

The hammer throw could have been incorporated to a level 3 somehow...*shrugs*

Im thinking they could have handled it like megamans blaster in that the longer you held the button down the more he twirled it. But oh well.

crimsonspider89, post: 4978078 wrote:

I really don't see him as much of a grappler though. Has one command grab, same as Tron and one grab hyper same as Tron. Think of him as more of a mobile bruiser and that is what I think of him. Honestly, I probably won't use his grabs as much as his other moves. Except maybe in the air since he can perform it while flying. Thinking that will be the best scenario to use it in.

But what then would make someone a grappler? Because zangief for example has 2 command grabs and 2 command grab ultras.

crimsonspider89

Different, this game most characters have three hypers. Zangief has three command grabs, one of his is distance based. So far away it is a suplex and another powerbomb. Haggar and Shulkie seem to be the main grapplers for there repsective sides. Haggar has how many grabs? A lot. And one level three hyper grab where shulkie has her three variation of her command grab and two hyper grabs, her level three could be called one but with the little whiff car runs by effect. Which is pretty funny.

ogrimtitan

Frankly, I would've liked to see the hammer throw as a command normal like Sentinel's laser spit, Wesker's shot, or Dorm's um... thing (forgot the name). It's such an intrinsic, iconic, basic move for Thor, that there's no way it should have been excluded.

jak d ripr

crimsonspider89, post: 4978081 wrote:

Different, this game most characters have three hypers. Zangief has three command grabs, one of his is distance based. So far away it is a suplex and another powerbomb. Haggar and Shulkie seem to be the main grapplers for there repsective sides. Haggar has how many grabs? A lot. And one level three hyper grab where shulkie has her three variation of her command grab and two hyper grabs, her level three could be called one but with the little whiff car runs by effect. Which is pretty funny.

Good point, but isn't a grappler a character who can base his entire offense around a command grab? And the command grab puts him in an advantageous position? Yes gief has 3 command grabs in sf 4 but he can run his entire offense around the spd and nothing else if he so chooses. I don't think its about the number of grabs you have but whether or not your grab is good enough to run an entire offense around. Just my opinion of course.

crimsonspider89

The amount matters, your supposed to have a grab for different scenarios if full fledged command grabber so you can base your offense around them. Skrull would kinda fall into this subcategory due to his command grab's range and ability to set up his L Tenderizer xxx Hyper combo set ups.

Compared with Shulkie, Haggar, Skrull hell even Tron, Thor's command grab isn't as pivotal to his gameplay as these are to theres.

And yes Thor should of had his hammer throw as a command normal. One hit, allows Thor to move closer then bounces right back into Thor's hand wherever he is at.