SUPERCADE IS AMAZING!!!! Supercade over GGPO

MarsflashMarsflash BGG BITCHES!!Joined: Posts: 401
Hello this thread isnt to bash ggpo or anything like that, but i recommend people to start using Supercade or if you havent, to give supercade a try. It has by far(imo) the best netcode yet. Not only that, for vista users(atleast for me) it runs way better and smoother then ggpo. Also whats great about it is that it is being Constantly updated. Amazing job to Damdai the god. :china: Anyways Thanks.
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  • VirtuaFighterFourVirtuaFighterFour VirtuaFighter.com Joined: Posts: 1,572
    GGPO is still superior to Supercade for playing ST. If you properly configure GGPO it should run just fine. If you do not properly configure GGPO then it won't run optimally. I don't know what motivation you have to continually discourage people from using GGPO but it's overly annoying. Damdai must really appreciate having his name mentioned next to criticism and slander of GGPO because it has been happening a lot lately.

    "Supercade over GGPO" <-- LOL. Please just shut the fuck up already.

    How many times do you and the rest of the DontBlowThis crew have to badmouth or slander GGPO before it stops? Weren't you the one on the stream last week saying that you couldn't play ST offline using GGPO as well? Ever heard of ggpofba.exe? How can you objectively evaluate GGPO when you don't even understand some of the basic functions of the program?

    GGPO is the past, present, and future of online ST play. If you want to promote other ways to play ST online, like Supercade, then go ahead. Anything to keep ST alive is fine by me and most other ST players. Supercade provides another outlet to keep people playing ST which is great. But to start a thread encouraging people to quit using GGPO is disgusting. Without GGPO there is probably no ST scene today. And without GGPO there wouldn't be much going forward either.

    GGPO is still the future of online ST and likely always will be.
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  • CorrosiveCorrosive The Starting Over Joined: Posts: 1,352
    Supercade over GGPO, son.

    The thing that is actually updated is probably a good contender for "Future of online (lol) ST."
    It's best that you remain close to the "Ls", Joe.
  • ShariShari Overestimated. Joined: Posts: 2,626
    Supercade as of now has a better netcode.

    Nobody plays Supercade.

    Hence.

    Play GGPO.

    The ST crowd isn't exactly the type open to change so don't hope for any mass exodus to supercade to ever happen.
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  • philcitophilcito The Berserker Shoto Joined: Posts: 1,178
    The ST crowd isn't exactly the type open to change so don't hope for any mass exodus to supercade to ever happen.

    Yeah so agree with that... Supercade is a great choice to keep ST alive and i don't see the point to insult marsh just because marsh thinks and says that he feels SC is better than GGPO.

    This is an open forum doesn't it?.
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  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    GGPO vs. Supercade is the new ST vs. HDR. Delicious!
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • PaskyPasky Ninja with pistol! Joined: Posts: 1,863
    They're both the same to me, you can catch me on both. I still prefer ggpo because supercade for some reason has this weird slow down lag every few minutes when I connect with people and I'm not the only one, it really bogs the game down, not sure how damdai is handling the netcode, don't really care because it does a great job when it's not doing that.

    Either way, still like GGPO more.

    Also hate how damdai has the chat censored almost to being a nazi. Can't even say "Sucks" and shit like that. Also, not being able to chat in the lobby while in game is annoying...*shrug*
    Supercade as of now has a better netcode.

    Nobody plays Supercade.

    Hence.

    Play GGPO.

    The ST crowd isn't exactly the type open to change so don't hope for any mass exodus to supercade to ever happen.

    Are you butt hurt in every fucken thread? Seriously, shut the fuck up about the ST crowd, we get it, your ass is sore.
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  • brianbrian Joined: Posts: 765
    Unfortunately it seems I get the same frame skipping under windows 7 in supercade as in ggpo :(.
  • GrogGrog discombobulatingly Joined: Posts: 3,617
    They run about the same for me also, I prefer supercade though since there's no spectating if you want without having to kill chat. One thing though people don't talk in supercade I noticed. I know if you're in game you can't but people that aren't in game rarely reply if you say anything.
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  • CorrosiveCorrosive The Starting Over Joined: Posts: 1,352
    I like Supercade over GGPO as a point of preference, but mostly because I just find it more stable. It still has frame skipping in areas, I just don't hear it buzzing at me.

    The main thing is that "online future" is hilarious. Sure guys, let me know how that Wiki and online matches do at Evo for either game. I'm sure some folks told me in the first place that the wiki and online matches are such a significant development for the offline community. OH WAIT IT WASN'T.

    Online is a compromise. The fact of the matter is I still get to read shit like "Guys, what's Final Round?" even with these wonderful online devices. The area we should be pushing languishes while we focus on the convenience of online when there's no overall quality connections in this country to substantiate its legitimacy.

    I think online has a place in the future, but right now validating it was one of the dumbest things I've seen. Especially when Daigo can say "Wow, your internet is terrible."
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  • philcitophilcito The Berserker Shoto Joined: Posts: 1,178
    GGPO vs. Supercade is the new ST vs. HDR. Delicious!
    so true... self destructive mode on
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  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    People have become complacent and accustomed to dealing with GGPO being the way it has been over the last few years, but it is NOT a good frontman for p2p. The choice may be obvious for some, but for others, it's important to know that p2p gaming doesn't have to be this way.

    You don't have to deal with having to stack challenges and open multiple windows in order to get a connection to work.
    You don't have to deal with getting spam challenged 50 times in a row from some asshole.
    You don't have to deal with chat spam when trying to communicate with people.
    You don't have to deal with a server going down multiple times a day.
    You don't have to deal with receiving dozens of challenges when you're already playing.
    You don't have to deal with ghost users in the user list that you can't challenge or receive challenges from.
    You don't have to deal with incorrect speeds.
    You don't have to deal with annoying connection disruptions whenever someone spectates.
    You don't have to deal with downloading a hidden, buggier client just to be able to ignore people.
    You don't have to deal with being confined to a single room if there are multiple games that you enjoy playing.
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  • PaskyPasky Ninja with pistol! Joined: Posts: 1,863
    People have become complacent and accustomed to dealing with GGPO being the way it has been over the last few years, but it is NOT a good frontman for p2p. The choice may be obvious for some, but for others, it's important to know the following:

    You don't have to deal with having to stack challenges and open multiple windows in order to get a connection to work.
    You don't have to deal with getting spam challenged 50 times in a row from some asshole.
    You don't have to deal with chat spam when trying to communicate with people.
    You don't have to deal with a server going down multiple times a day.
    You don't have to deal with receiving dozens of challenges when you're already playing.
    You don't have to deal with ghost users in the user list that you can't challenge or receive challenges from.
    You don't have to deal with incorrect speeds.
    You don't have to deal with annoying connection disruptions whenever someone spectates.
    You don't have to deal with downloading a hidden, buggier client just to be able to ignore people.
    You don't have to deal with being confined to a single room if there are multiple games that you enjoy playing.

    Ya, I really like all these points, the fact that it actually connects first attempt is really great. I really don't notice any difference in actual play, except maybe ggpo is a little more responsive, probably because I set input lag to 0, and supercade probably defaults above 0. I think supercade is gonna grow to supersede GGPO. I also like how supercade has a lot of Co-op games to play, something ponder always kinda shook his head about whenever they were requested. I kinda miss being able to spectate, but I understand why it isn't in there and the replay system is.

    So far so good, just don't like the restrictiveness of it, but hopefully things will get ironed out, it's looking great so far.

    Tabbed messaging for PM's would be fucken awesome, I hate having to scroll up to see if a private message was sent to me.
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    just want to put my vote in for supercade, it's superior to ggpo in every way. it's only a matter of time before people realize it and switch

    it's also being actively developed and will only get better, while ggpo will be stuck as shitty as it is right now forever

    come to the light my friends
  • PaskyPasky Ninja with pistol! Joined: Posts: 1,863
    just want to put my vote in for supercade, it's superior to ggpo in every way. it's only a matter of time before people realize it and switch

    it's also being actively developed and will only get better, while ggpo will be stuck as shitty as it is right now forever

    come to the light my friends

    Off topic....I would love to play you if you ever get some time, on GGPO, PSN HDR, or supercade...

    Big fan XD.
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  • YouLaggyPOSYouLaggyPOS Joined: Posts: 64
    LOL, Marsgatti is so easily brainwashed. Supercade may be the better platform (dunno, haven't tried it), but regardless, is it just me, or has Marsgatti transformed into Damdai's puppet? Quite amusing...

    That is all. Carry on.
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Off topic....I would love to play you if you ever get some time, on GGPO, PSN HDR, or supercade...

    Big fan XD.

    Don't bother, he sucks! Just kidding, his Guile is really great.
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  • MarsflashMarsflash BGG BITCHES!! Joined: Posts: 401
    GGPO is still superior to Supercade for playing ST. If you properly configure GGPO it should run just fine. If you do not properly configure GGPO then it won't run optimally. I don't know what motivation you have to continually discourage people from using GGPO but it's overly annoying. Damdai must really appreciate having his name mentioned next to criticism and slander of GGPO because it has been happening a lot lately.

    "Supercade over GGPO" <-- LOL. Please just shut the fuck up already.

    How many times do you and the rest of the DontBlowThis crew have to badmouth or slander GGPO before it stops? Weren't you the one on the stream last week saying that you couldn't play ST offline using GGPO as well? Ever heard of ggpofba.exe? How can you objectively evaluate GGPO when you don't even understand some of the basic functions of the program?

    GGPO is the past, present, and future of online ST play. If you want to promote other ways to play ST online, like Supercade, then go ahead. Anything to keep ST alive is fine by me and most other ST players. Supercade provides another outlet to keep people playing ST which is great. But to start a thread encouraging people to quit using GGPO is disgusting. Without GGPO there is probably no ST scene today. And without GGPO there wouldn't be much going forward either.

    GGPO is still the future of online ST and likely always will be.

    Im entitled to my opinion and i dont think it was neccesary for you to say STFU to me when im just stating an opinion. If you read the first sentence i wrote it stated and i quote " Hello this thread isnt to bash ggpo or anything like that, but i recommend people to start using Supercade or if you havent, to give supercade a try". Funny it seems like all you ever do is bash people anyways, but hey thats your problem. Also, DontBlowThis had nothing to do with my post so i dont get why you even choose to bring them up. Now if you like ggpo, then by all means continue playing on it. All i was saying was for people to give Supercade a try and see how they like it, and from what ive heard including myself, alot like it. Maybe if you showed up to events and tried helping the community more you wouldnt have this belligerent attitude. Take care of yourself and godbless you sir.
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    LOL, Marsgatti is so easily brainwashed. Supercade may be the better platform (dunno, haven't tried it), but regardless, is it just me, or has Marsgatti transformed into Damdai's puppet? Quite amusing...

    Yeah, it's definitely a mutual admiration society. So romantic and touching.
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  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    If you read the first sentence i wrote it stated and i quote " Hello this thread isnt to bash ggpo or anything like that

    But this is what you do: play innocent. Like when you posted about your ST gathering in the HDR events thread. "Oh, I didn't mean to cause any trouble". It's the same thing with this thread. You are either naive or being duplicitous.
    Take care of yourself and godbless you sir.

    And this is the get-out-of jail 'nice guy' card that you always play.
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    he's playing innocent because he is innocent, what do you think his intentions are? to sabotage the sf2 scene by tricking people into playing a worse version online? what the fuck?

    supercade just needs exposure, lots of people don't know it exists. they can form their own opinion on it, we just want people to give it a shot if they haven't

    ggpo won't last forever, supercade is the future. believe it

    pasky: for sure man, i haven't really been playing since ggpo became unplayable on my new computer. and then we lost our arcade :( but i'm back baby!
  • hombofiendhombofiend Joined: Posts: 41
    And this is the get-out-of jail 'nice guy' card that you always play.

    did you ever think maybe he's legitimately just a really nice guy?
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  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    If he's such a nice guy then why does he keep doing as I've described?
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    Yay SF2 boards! :D
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  • hombofiendhombofiend Joined: Posts: 41
    If he's such a nice guy then why does he keep doing as I've described?

    are you fucking with me or did you not think before typing this
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  • CorrosiveCorrosive The Starting Over Joined: Posts: 1,352
    Mars isn't a calculating troll. He's one of the realest, sincere people in the scene. One of the best people I've had the pleasure to call a friend. You know, FRIENDS, the people you learn to respect and talk to beyond just the game? I find people who think online matters in some capacity think that the online shit somehow spills over into offline.
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  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    what do you think his intentions are? to sabotage the sf2 scene by tricking people into playing a worse version online? what the fuck?

    Three people in the thread have already voiced their objection to his position regarding GGPO vs. Supercade.

    My observation was simply that he has a tendency to post things that are incendiary. I'm not saying, of course, that he's the only one that does such a thing, but then he claims to be completely oblivious to any subsequent flame wars caused directly by those posts he makes - this being only one example. Apparently, the fact that he's polite seems to provide immunity to criticism in some peoples eyes.
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    are you fucking with me or did you not think before typing this

    Of course I'm fucking with you. What's your point?
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  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    From my other post here're the input/display lag result on _my_ computer.

    ggpo
    w7 aero 8-11 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs)
    w7 fullscreen 7-9 frames
    w7 disable aero 7-8-frames
    xp 6 frames

    supercade
    w7 aero 8-10 frames (and a lot of dropped inputs)
    w7 fullscreen 7 frames
    w7 disable aero 7 frames
    xp 6 frames

    Notice that in both platforms you HAVE to disable aero or you'll suffer from dropped inputs or lag.

    I come to the conclusion that everyone's computer configuration works differently for ggpo / supercade.
    I used to think that if your computer runs XP, it will run both ggpo and supercade flawlessly. Well, DGV and synco both said otherwise.

    Note that the input/display lag is only part of the equation. For me although both supercade/ggpo has the same input lag (1.5~2 frames behind arcade), ggpo runs perfectly on my computer while I experienced frame skipping and weird bgm static noise in the background (which ganelon confirmed) on supercade. However the same thing happens to other people running ggpo.

    So it's kinda pointless to argue that ggpo/supercade IS the best. Because you're only speaking from YOUR experience.


    I guess Ponder has moved on. He has a lot other priorities in his life over ggpo. Given how much traffic ggpo got everyday, the ggpo server is basically under denial-of-service attack every minute. I'm just glad that people stick around and put up with the annoying multiple challenges workaround for the time being.

    But I gotta give damdai a major prop for continuously updating supercade based on feedback. ST needs to stay active in both ONLINE and OFFLINE scene. Both are equally important.

    Like others said, the spectating feature of GGPO is really nice. It's like going to a mini offline event where you can stand behind a cab and check out how the others' doing.

    It is especially good if you're a beginner or trying to learn a new character. (I know supercade has replay but you can't get real time feedback / question to the player).
    Or you're not playing but just to join the room to chill/spectate. <--- a lot of people do this

    cigarbob once mentioned something in the line of "There is no greater feeling than shit talking someone into a match, and then have 30+ people come in to spectate"

    While on supercade it's like everybody is doing their thing... The human connection is lost... and then of course, the competition is still on ggpo. It's not easy to convince people to change. I guess those are the reasons why I still prefer ggpo.

    btw, what happen to you in the last year, geo?
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  • hombofiendhombofiend Joined: Posts: 41
    Three people in the thread have already voiced their objection to his position regarding GGPO vs. Supercade.

    My observation was simply that he has a tendency to post things that are incendiary. I'm not saying, of course, that he's the only one that does such a thing, but then he claims to be completely oblivious to any subsequent flame wars caused directly by those posts he makes - this being only one example. Apparently, the fact that he's polite seems to provide immunity to criticism in some peoples eyes.

    he's making a legitimate argument to have people try something new. he didn't insult anyone. the first reply was telling him to "please just shut the fuck up". think about that.
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    Three people in the thread have already voiced their objection to his position regarding GGPO vs. Supercade.

    and at least six people have voiced that they are either indifferent or prefer supercade, what are you getting at here?

    i was the one who told him to make this thread in the first place, he had no underlying intention of starting a flame war, we genuinely just want to get the word out about an alternative to ggpo, that's all. stop being so negative, or go back to the hdr forum, either one works for me thanks in advance
  • hombofiendhombofiend Joined: Posts: 41
    i'm cracking up at "Three people in the thread have already voiced their objection"

    just read that out loud
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    anyone else think this geo guy is a huge *** lol
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    Like others said, the spectating feature of GGPO is really nice. It's like going to a mini offline event where you can stand behind a cab and check out how the others' doing.

    It is especially good if you're a beginner or trying to learn a new character. (I know supercade has replay but you can't get real time feedback / question to the player).
    Or you're not playing but just to join the room to chill/spectate. <--- a lot of people do this


    While on supercade it's like everybody is doing their thing... The human connection is lost... and then of course, the competition is still on ggpo. It's not easy to convince people to change. I guess those are the reasons why I still prefer ggpo.

    Great points. IMO, this is probably the greatest feature of GGPO for the reasons you outlined. Everyone in the room feels connected rather than all separated like you are in XBL.

    Anyway, I wonder if it's possible for Damdai to implement this with Supercade?

    BTW, I still can't get my ports working with Supercade...
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    yeah that is a huge feature, but i really think it's a small price to pay for a better experience everywhere else. i believe it's intentional anyways so spectators can't lag the game like they can on ggpo, which continues to be a huge problem. it was the reason i stopped playing on there in the first place, it was impossible to make it through even a single round without people constantly joining/leaving or just lagging it on purpose

    if only there was a way to get the best of both worlds? we're counting on you damdai :karate:
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    if only there was a way to get the best of both worlds? we're counting on you damdai

    Damdai is a highly skilled programmer. I'm sure he can do it =] (can't we have a checkbox so P1 can decide whether people can spectate?, like the record replay checkbox?)
    I still can't get my ports working with Supercade...

    I forwarded my port correctly, but 2 out of 3 times starting supercade, the start up screen still complains that my port not being forwarded.

    But I can still challenge / accept challenge just fine.

    Maybe the port forwarding detection is buggy.

    Also damdai, if people didn't put a number in the port textfield in the login screen, you throw up a big exception error in a dialog box :)

    And finally, although supercade US T2 = arcade US T2 speed, but because of the 2~3 input/display lag, it is still better to not use US T2 on supercade.

    I think making free select or T1 as default is better.
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  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    Port forwarding detection is not buggy. There are several port checking websites that will confirm whether or not your ports are open. You are still able to challenge, but only people who do have the ports open, in which case they are still the host, which is why you will always be player 2 if you don't have ports open.
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    i've had the same thing papasi is talking about happen to me, when i login it will say my ports aren't forwarded, but when i click the yellow alert once i'm in it will say they are. even if i don't click the alert i'm still able to host and everything, i don't know what the deal is
  • damdaidamdai www.damdai.com Joined: Posts: 1,079
    i've had the same thing papasi is talking about happen to me, when i login it will say my ports aren't forwarded, but when i click the yellow alert once i'm in it will say they are. even if i don't click the alert i'm still able to host and everything, i don't know what the deal is

    Whenever you connect with a new version, windows will block it initially while it asks you to allow it or not. After you allow it and continue to login, clicking the yellow alert icon will rerun the port check, this time succeeding.

    Are you sure you are ever player 1 when the alert is visible?

    Papasi and Axel, thanks for heads up on no port error. The default port was only being set for upgrading users, not new users. It's been fixed.
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  • fatboyfatboy I beat anorexia: 10-0 Joined: Posts: 1,853
    I'll support whatever the scene supports. Personally, right now the EC has really stepped up to be the ambassadors for the US ST scene. If they really feel it's time to change, not to mention, actually take the time to maintain the infrastructure, then I am for it. It seems to me that are doing their best to keep the ST scene alive on the net. :tup:
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  • Axel KellyAxel Kelly Joined: Posts: 1,481
    yeah, that's definitely it. updated and allowed access, then i wasn't able to host until i ran the check again and then everything was fine

    and check this out guys:

    12:45:25 [PRIVATE] <damdai> really? thats a problem. ill fix that right now
    12:47:16 [PRIVATE] <damdai> yes, i see the problem
    12:47:21 [PRIVATE] <damdai> uploading new version now

    can ggpo compete with that kind of support? :)
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