Official 'Kitty' class boards thread

ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd!Joined: Posts: 10,777
And let's get this started....

'Kitty' reffers to a new class of boards. The other boards I've made were made to be as usable in as many places as possible; Cthulhus, Imps, and FGW LED Controllers have been installed in all sorts of different sticks with great results. The Kitty boards represent a very different viewpoint. Instead of trying to make a single board that can be used in a wide variety of situations, these will be made to be installed in very specific sticks.

Goals:
1. Make installation as easy as possible in the specific Xbox360 arcade stick.
2. Make use of all of the features available in the stick as if the Kitty was part of the original design.
3. Add as much awesome as is physically possible.

As of this writing, boards and kits are ready to go for the first two products in the Kitty line: 'TE Kitty' and 'VLX Kitty'. These are made specifically for the MadCatz Tournament Edition FightSticks, and Hori VLX stick. I'm still in the middle of writing the normal documentation, but I welcome early adopters. Feel free to send a PM if you're willing to get your hands dirty with a new toy.

Most recent firmwares will always be available at these URLs:
VLX Kitty firmware: http://www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/vlxkitty.zip
TE Kitty firmware: http://www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/tekitty.zip

How to order:
Easiest way is through the Paypal checkout page I've setup:
http://www.godlikecontrols.com/order.html
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    TE Kitty:
    The TE Kitty is made for installation in Xbox360 versions of the MadCatz FightStick. Works with Rnd1 and Rnd2 stick. Installation into TE-S based sticks requires an additional cable kit that must be purchases in addition to the TE Kitty board.

    Features:
    Adds support for all consoles supported by MC Cthulhu (PS3, Xbox1, PS2/PSX, Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, SNES, NES, TG-16, others)
    Full support for LS/DP/RS slide switch in consoles supporting multiple analog sticks (PS3, Xbox1, Gamecube)
    Guide LEDs controlled by Kitty on non-Xbox360 systems. Displays the direction of the stick.
    Turbo LEDs light on button press on all consoles.
    Turbo button wired to also activate Select for when Neutrik jacks are installed in the spot of the previous Select button.
    On-the-fly button remapping for all consoles except Xbox360.
    Full turbo support just like original TE.
    Custom USB string ability.
    Tools needed for installation: #3 metric Allen wrench, small Philips screw driver, wire cutters, X-acto hobby knife, Sharpie, small flat blade screwdriver.

    Kitty User's Guide for all models: www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/KittyUsersGuide.pdf

    TE Installation Guide: http://www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/TEKitty_Install.pdf
    TE-S Installation Guide: http://www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/TESKitty_Install.pdf

    Q: I'm confused about the TE-S harness thing.
    A: It works like this. The TE Kitty kit, has the large important circuit board, and the ribbon cables to hook it up to original TE based sticks; Rnd1, Rnd2, MvC2, tons of others. If you have a TE-S based stick, you need to purchase the TE-S Kitty harness IN ADDITION to the TE Kitty kit. The TE-S Kitty harness has the ribbon cables needed to connect a TE Kitty board to the original 360 TE-S board.

    Q: How do I know if my particular TE will work.
    A: List subject to change at any time, but MUST be a 360 model.
    Those with work with the TE Kitty, no additional harness required-
    -Round 1 'Street Fighter 4' TE
    -Round 2 'Street Fighter 4' TE (* see note)
    -Comic-con (White with orange stripe) TE
    -Femme Fatale TE
    -Asian (All white) TE
    -MvC2 TE
    -MvC3 TE

    Those that require the TE Kitty and TE-S harness.
    -Round 2 'Street Fighter 4' TE (* see note)
    - Chun Li TE
    -Super SF4 TE-S stick
    -Namco TE
    -MLG TE
    -BlazBlue TE
    - SoulCalibur 'Soul Edition' TE

    Those that require the TE Kitty and VS harness
    -SFxT 'V.S.' TE

    * Round 2 TE's are currently coming out with TE-S based boards, when they originally used TE based boards. Please use the lock switch test mentioned above to see whether you need the TE-S harness.

    Q: So how do I know if I need to get the TE-S Kitty harness without opening it up?
    A: The easiest thing to do is plug the stick into a 360 and start up a game. Slide your switch to the 'Locked' setting. If your Start and Back buttons still work, then you do NOT need to get the TE-S Kitty harness, the TE Kitty kit will be all you need. If the 'Locked' setting disables the Start and Back buttons, then you DO need to get the TE-S Kitty harness IN ADDITION to the TE Kitty kit.

    Q: How do I get it to work properly with SF4 AE for PC?
    A: Move slide switch to 'LS'.

    Q: Can I use a TE Kitty without having the Guide/Turbo/LED board? I want to remove that from my stick, or use a TE pcb+Kitty in my custom case.
    A: You wouldn't be able to force Xbox360 mode, you would be perma stuck in DP mode (no MvC2 for you), you would 100% have to drill a hole for a Guide button, prolly bunches of others I cant think of at the moment. Can it work? Mostly. Will it work right? Meh. You'll lose some functionality without it, and I wont be doing any tweaks to the code to get around them. You will have all functionality if you can install a Guide button and a LS/DP/RS slider, but in short, it's not recommended nor supported.

    Q: Can I put it into a SE stick? What about a BrawlStick? Aren't those the same guts as a TE?
    A: Installation into SE's is not supported. The electronics are the same as a TE, so the installation is pretty smooth, but there's no easy way to mount the board itself so it doesn't rattle around. There are numerous pictures in this thread of it being done, but it involves a massive amount of Dremelling plastic out of the case, and I want nothing to do with that if I can help it; there are no instructions on how to do it, and if it doesn't work or you mess up, too bad, I wont care. The Brawlstick is much the same way, except the electronics are different as well. There's aren't even pictures of this happening because the Brawlstick electronics are funky. Just don't do it. If you have to ask, you can't do it, and I will not be helping at all.

    Q: What about SFxT Pro sticks?
    A: It's been done before, absolutely does require a TE-S harness, but it currently unsupported. I haven't found a way that's clean enough to my liking. So, it's been done, but I wont be able to help you.

    Q: What about the SFxT V.S. sticks?
    A: V.S. sticks will require a new harness. This has been order and will be listed for sale along with the installation instructions as soon as these harnesses arrive, around early April most likely.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    VLX Kitty:
    The VLX Kitty is made specifically for installation in the Xbox360 versions of the Hori VLX stick. Works with all known models, is a fully reversable/removable mod if needed and doesn't even break the warranty sticker.

    Features:
    Adds support for all consoles supported by MC Cthulhu (PS3, Xbox1, PS2/PSX, Saturn, Dreamcast, Gamecube, SNES, NES, TG-16, others)
    Guide LEDs controlled by Kitty on non-Xbox360 systems. Displays the direction of the stick.
    Full Turbo support including speed slide switch and turbo indicator LED.
    On-the-fly button remapping for all consoles except Xbox360.
    Custom USB string ability.

    Tools needed for installation: Phillips Screwdriver.

    Installation instructions: http://www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/VLXKitty_Install.pdf

    FAQs:

    Q: How do I get it to work properly with SF4 AE on PC?
    A: Update to the latest firmware. Exit out of the SF4 program. Plug in the stick with the Start button held down. Start up AE and go into the controller setup, and set all of your buttons and directions. Save, and that's it. Once the directions and buttons have been saved, you will be able to just plug and play from then on out.

    Q: I'm having headset issues.
    A: There's a known problem with a pretty easy fix detailed here:
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/official-kitty-class-boards-thread.129829/page-15#post-5780411
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    Reserved part 4. Lets hope that's enough
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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified e-sports and pew pew Joined: Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭
    Oh man, so would kitty be comparable to something like a Teasy style mod except none of the mess of aligning pins and multi console support

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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Oh man, so would kitty be comparable to something like a Teasy style mod except none of the mess of aligning pins?

    Well, the TE Kitty and the TEasy/TEasy Strike are both made specifically for easy installation in 360 TE sticks, and both add PS3/PC/Xbox1 support. The similarities pretty much end there.

    -The installation methods are different; TEasy uses pogo pins to make contact with the original board while the Kitty uses the same type of ribbon connectors; all of the cables that plugged into the original board now plug into the Kitty, and ribbon cables included with the Kitty connect the Kitty to the original TE pcb.
    -TEasy/TEasy strike has that expansion connector for connecting a Sparky to it, Kitty doesn't have that.
    -Kitty includes all of the MC Cthulhu supported consoles, using an RJ-45 jack right on the board. So install an RJ-45 jack into the case, plug a short ethernet cable into the jack on the case and the jack on the Kitty and you're done.
    -Kitty attempts to add as much awesome as possible that were just easy low hanging fruit; the turbo LEDs are wired for light on press, the Guide LEDs show the direction the stick is in, the consoles that support it properly use the LS/DP/RS switch. To the best of my knowledge, the Strike devices dont do that. It's silly, I'll be the first to admit, but the free addition of making the existing LEDs light up is just cool in my book.

    The TEasy and TEasy Strike are great products, and I hope this ends up being a worthy competitor to it. Plus, I'm also aiming for other sticks like the VLX.
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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified e-sports and pew pew Joined: Posts: 3,018 ✭✭✭
    I was comparing it to the installation process

    I remember there was always a bit of trouble when it comes to aligning the pogo pins where kitty uses the existing wire harnesses.

    it was an idea that purplearms was throwing around in the arc eye 2.0 thread


    and laugh, i remember i somehow glitched one mod of mine to have the LED's light up when its corresponding turbo button was pressed via fightpad to ps3 te via dpdt
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  • theBAYsicstheBAYsics '93 til infinity Joined: Posts: 642
    the turbo leds and guide leds sound awesome. safe to say lizardlick will be carrying them?
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    I was comparing it to the installation process

    I remember there was always a bit of trouble when it comes to aligning the pogo pins where kitty uses the existing wire harnesses.
    Truth be told, I'd expect the TEasy installation to be a bit less hairy than the Kitty installation; you don't have to worry about the alignment, but you do have to unplug the ribbon cables from the original board, which is kind of a bitch thanks to that annoying yellow glue they use. There won't be any need for readjustment if it gets banged around though. So don't know if there is a clear winner between the two installation processes.
    it was an idea that purplearms was throwing around in the arc eye 2.0 thread
    No idea, I dont keep track of it.

    the turbo leds and guide leds sound awesome. safe to say lizardlick will be carrying them?

    I'll be sending a bunch to Chad as soon as I feel the documentation is ready for release. Other distributors are welcome to carry them as well, they'd just need to get a hold of me. I think Chad is past caring after all this time and just buys whatever I send him, sight unseen.
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  • DezikDezik Too legit to rage quit Joined: Posts: 63
    Couple of questions.

    1. Will this board be able to auto detect between 360 and PS3 like the Imp 2.0?
    2. Would the TE be able to fit in an SE casing?
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  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    this sounds awesome..i got two TEs waiting for them. what would the price point be?
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Will this board be able to auto detect between 360 and PS3 like the Imp 2.0?
    Yes.
    this sounds awesome..i got two TEs waiting for them. what would the price point be?
    Per piece looks to be $49.95 each for the VLX and TE versions. That may go down in the future if they're popular enough since I'm buying everything in pretty small quantities right now. Custom wire harnesses aren't cheap. There will be an additional wire harness needed if the TE Kitty is going into a TE-S. I hope to get that additional piece around $5 but I don't have an exact number yet.
    2. Would the TE be able to fit in an SE casing?
    Frankly, I dont know.
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  • AmpAmp Joined: Posts: 533 ✭✭✭
    Do you know how the TE Kitty will behave during an SOCD action?
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Do you know how the TE Kitty will behave during an SOCD action?

    :) The code has been updated so that for any console SOCD's are cleaned. Up+Left+Right = Up.
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  • AmpAmp Joined: Posts: 533 ✭✭✭
    So it forces neutral?

    In Guilty Gear notation: 6+4=5 and 8+2=5 ???
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Yup. 6+4=5, 6+4+2=2, 6+4+8+2=5, 6+8+2=6, etc.
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  • AmpAmp Joined: Posts: 533 ✭✭✭
    :D :D Thank you.

    Will order one for my own.
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  • networkingyuppynetworkingyuppy RandoMadness. Joined: Posts: 2,311 mod
    This is awesome, Toodles!
    A ChimpMcwidget, or a Kitty that meows. I'd take a kitty over a fantasy creature with new LED features!
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  • d3vd3v Slide Grab Gyakunitaku Kick Joined: Posts: 27,219 mod
    How many variants of the Kitty are you planning? Any chance of one for the VX HRAPs?
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  • x24x24 Eiffel Tower! Joined: Posts: 257
    I play PS3 exclusively but I want one just for the turbo LED button press thingy. Pretty shallow but that's cool for me. Oh and the on-the-fly button remapping.

    Any chnace these can be made to be installed on PS3 versions? Not sure of this since it wasn't mentioned.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 12,775 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Awesomesauce Toodles. Keep up the awesome work.
    Easy installation with MC Cthulhu capabilities That combo is a win. Wait, Auto detect too? Fantastic!!!

    Unfortunately I do not have a TE or a VLX to test on at this time.
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭
    Nghhh.. only just seen this thread, so Toodles - please disregard my last PM.

    I'll send you a more relevant message when I'm back on a computer tonight.
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  • spenzaliispenzalii Joined: Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭
    Holy crap. Multiconsoling a TE just got insanely easy. Need to read in depth and see how button LEDs using KNserts or arc eyes would be affected by the new board, but this is extremely awesome news. Almost makes me want a 360 TE to try this

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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭
    Turbo button wired to also activate Select for when Neutrik jacks are installed in the spot of the previous Select button.


    That is mint.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    How many variants of the Kitty are you planning? Any chance of one for the VX HRAPs?

    I would definitely make one for the new VX HRAPs, and even though it may sound silly, the Fighting Stick VX. Love that little beast. No ETA on these though; I have no idea how long, if ever, until they would be available.
    I play PS3 exclusively but I want one just for the turbo LED button press thingy. Pretty shallow but that's cool for me. Oh and the on-the-fly button remapping.

    Any chnace these can be made to be installed on PS3 versions? Not sure of this since it wasn't mentioned.
    Not by itself. You'd have to get the LED panel from a 360 stick and the three ribbon cables that go to it. If you got ahold of that, maybe from someone putting a full plexi top into theirs, then you could do it.
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  • ComradeTaoComradeTao Rock It! Joined: Posts: 1,272
    I'd like to get a 360 TE and test one of these out. Send me a PM with cost info and I'll get back to you asap please.
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  • x24x24 Eiffel Tower! Joined: Posts: 257
    Not by itself. You'd have to get the LED panel from a 360 stick and the three ribbon cables that go to it. If you got ahold of that, maybe from someone putting a full plexi top into theirs, then you could do it.

    Even on a PS3 TE? Sorry i didn't mention that the first time.
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  • butterojbutteroj VWDORK Joined: Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    Ive had a kitty in my VLX for a few months and can say it is a fantastic product. 5 minutes to install and works on all consoles as promised. Toodles has done it again!

     

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  • masturfadermasturfader Fr:Russia with glove Joined: Posts: 1,421
    For some reason my buttons and joystick do not work when hooked up. When holding down the guide button during plug-in I am getting the boot-loader message. (Top left, bottom right LED's)
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  • DevilsFangDevilsFang Possibly Constipated... Joined: Posts: 304
    Holy Crap! I'm glad I procrastinated so long on modding my VLX! This sounds like a snap. I will be ordering one of these soon.
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  • masturfadermasturfader Fr:Russia with glove Joined: Posts: 1,421
    Me too, Still gotta have gummowned mod my other and fix one of my Flash1's
    Holy Crap! I'm glad I procrastinated so long on modding my VLX! This sounds like a snap. I will be ordering one of these soon.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Ive had a kitty in my VLX for a few months and can say it is a fantastic product. 5 minutes to install and works on all consoles as promised. Toodles has done it again!
    You may want to grab the VLX firmware as well; IIRC, yours doesn't have the Guide LED fun, turbo, or button remapping.
    (metal note: add info on remapping to first post)
    For some reason my buttons and joystick do not work when hooked up. When holding down the guide button during plug-in I am getting the boot-loader message. (Top left, bottom right LED's)
    Well its good you're getting the lights for bootloader, that means your 7 pin ribbons are all connected properly. Next step would be to verify the bootloader works on the PC which would test the outgoing USB cable connection.
    I've just put up the VLX Kitty firmware and flashing program, linked in the first post. Plug it in with Guide held down for bootloader mode and run the .bat file included. Let me know how it goes and we'll go from there.
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  • masturfadermasturfader Fr:Russia with glove Joined: Posts: 1,421
    Will do, gotta get someone over here with a windows machine.
    You may want to grab the VLX firmware as well; IIRC, yours doesn't have the Guide LED fun, turbo, or button remapping.
    (metal note: add info on remapping to first post)


    Well its good you're getting the lights for bootloader, that means your 7 pin ribbons are all connected properly. Next step would be to verify the bootloader works on the PC which would test the outgoing USB cable connection.
    I've just put up the VLX Kitty firmware and flashing program, linked in the first post. Plug it in with Guide held down for bootloader mode and run the .bat file included. Let me know how it goes and we'll go from there.
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  • butterojbutteroj VWDORK Joined: Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    New firmware installed. Guide led is awesome!

     

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  • 1FIST1FIST Joined: Posts: 5
    Toodles, does the kitty work by itself? I want to build a custom hitbox for ps3 and wii (don't need 360). Is it better to use the MC Cthulhu? The kitty's built in rj45 would be nice.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Will do, gotta get someone over here with a windows machine.

    Well, maybe, maybe not. The Kittys use a new firmware, and the client source code is ported to Unices and Mac as well.
    Open source bootloader for Microchip PIC USB Microcontroller.
    The thing is though, I had to modify the fw_update program to take advantage of the larger space on the chips. Those changes were in two source code files, located in this zip:
    www.godlikecontrols.com/download/kitty/fw_update_changes.zip

    If you would like a native bootloader program for whatever system you have, you can compile your own by grabbing the diolan tarball, and extracting the zip to overwrite the two files in the fw_update directory. Make, run the executable with the command line switches you see in the batch file. If you do do all of this, I'd be happy to include it in the future releases for everyone.
    Toodles, does the kitty work by itself? I want to build a custom hitbox for ps3 and wii (don't need 360). Is it better to use the MC Cthulhu? The kitty's built in rj45 would be nice.
    Kitty does work by itself, but I think you'd be better off with an MC. It's cheaper and made for custom sticks, unlike a Kitty.
    New firmware installed. Guide led is awesome!

    I know its silly, but I love that part too. I could do other tricks like 'spinners' but I dont know if itd be worth the hassle.
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  • WildWonWildWon Smot poker. Joined: Posts: 612
    Oh god. This thread gives me such a raging brainer.

    I cannot wait to get mah grubby mits on one of these.
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  • CanadianDstryrCanadianDstryr The Mundane Cinderella Joined: Posts: 1,693 ✭✭✭✭
    Literally installed my ChImp last week :sweat:

    Wouldn't be able to cop durring the beta phase, but I'm all over this once the full release happens.
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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,628 ✭✭✭✭
    Sorry - I think my browser must be broken. This thread has only had 42 views since it's creation?!? It should be into the hundreds..
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  • sait0usait0u Joined: Posts: 1,149
    any pics of the kitty?
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  • butterojbutteroj VWDORK Joined: Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    c96e629d.jpg

     

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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,777
    Production models are red. :)
    tekitty.jpg

    vlxkitty.jpg
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  • PaperTigrePaperTigre すごい!!!!! Joined: Posts: 2,195 ✭✭✭
    I really wish I had an immediate use for these, just to play around with it :(
    Maybe if I buy a VLX? (Unlikely lol)
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  • butterojbutteroj VWDORK Joined: Posts: 1,423 ✭✭
    Ooooh red is purrrrrty!!!

     

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  • DeanstaDeansta Joined: Posts: 485
    I need a VLX one now!
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  • phaedrusphaedrus Joined: Posts: 803 ✭✭
    ooohhh purrty. will be ordering once chad gets a hold of em. thanks toodles, win once again.
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  • TaikiTaiki Fezzes are cool. Joined: Posts: 942
    Production models are red. :)

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