I almost flamed you for putting spider there, but then I saw drache and prometheus at the top of your list. sorry, but you[, PsiPhi,] don't know shit about MW
Rioting Soul wrote:
Streets of Rage 3
Dr. Zen | Axel | Skate
Share your knowledge. I like that game and would like to hear who's good and why.
I never realized Ball-boy was so good. I'm amazed his ball attack is worth anything, much less what makes him #1.
What's the rocket glitch?
Shaolin Samurai wrote:
re: Dynasty Warriors
In Dynasty Warriors 4, a few select characters were given an alternate mounted moveset. Instead of only being able to swing left to right, these characters only swing to the right with S chains and musous and have improved horse charges.
Thus in DW4 and particularly 5, which allows bonuses from 4th weapons to stack with items, Ma Chao went from a pretty average spear user with an awkward Musou to a mounted monstrosity. I would argue that on a horse he easily surpasses Lu Bu, Zuo Ci, and the like. He is able to benefit from stat boosts from his 4th weapon, which has both +Attack and +Mounted stats, on top of the Horned Helm which further boosts Attack. His horse makes him extremely mobile and in the hands of a good player, almost invincible because his mobiility makes him hard to hit, even in a swarm of spear wielding peons. So he can use a Green Scroll to further increase his already insane attack with little adverse effect. His mounted attack and defense is godly, the fact that he is a spear user makes his reach incredible, his horse charge is 360 degree devastation, and his mounted musou juggles like nobody's business.
Not arguing that Ma Chao is one of the best characters in DW4 or 5, but Zuo Ci's horse charge is better due to the fact that Ma Chao has to stop to do his. This wouldn't be a big deal if both are using Shadow Harnesses since they can't be knocked off, but before you have one, Zuo Ci's charge is better because he can run guys over and still hit with his charge. Either the AI is smarter in DW5 or Ma Chao's horse charge range has been reduced because you can't sit and spam his horse charge in DW5 without using a shadow harness. The AI is now smart enough to knock you off your horse without getting hit by the charge (something is wasn't able to do in DW 4). Ma Chao is still the better overall rider, but Zuo Ci on a horse is braindead easy.
DW5 top tier is: Zuo Ci, Lu Bu, Ma Chao (with shadow harness)
DW5 mid tier is: everyone else except those below (too lazy to discriminate between characters right now)
DW5 ass tier is: Sun Shang Xiang, Da Qiao, Xiao Qiao, Diao Chan
Sorry, but the bottom tier is just straight up off. Only Diao Chan deserves to be in the bottom tier. The other girls' movesets are SO good, that their slow attack speed doesn't make the characters that much worse. Also, don't forget to take into account that Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao have very naturally fast attack speed, meaning if the speed was decreased, they still attack at a decent speed. And how is Zhang Jiao not in the bottome tier?
BTW, the top tier is right ":^)"
Depends on how you play it (ie what lvl you promote) but
top = Master Monk Karna by far
right after = Peter, Tyrin
You don't seem to realize just how slow their attacks are now that they have to use heavy weapons. They do not attack at decent speeds anymore. Charge moves are almost completely out of the question because of how slow they come out (only exception is 4C for both Qiao sisters) or they suck (3C for Da Qiao is pretty bad, it's ok for Xiao Qiao). Da Qiao's and Sun Shang Xiang's S chains no longer combo due to the slower attack speed. Being dependent on S chains also means you can't fight musou raged opponents. You might be able to make a case for Da Qiao not being ass, because her musou is quite good, but that's pretty much all she has going for her.
I only put in the obvious characters for the ass tier. There may be other candidates as well (possibly Zhuge Liang), and I almost never play Zhang Jiao. I'm trying to come up with a complete tier list that breaks down the middle tier right now, but it'll take a bit of time.
Um, I actually understand how slow their attacks are. I play with all the characters and I've put in a LOT of time into this game, so I think I can comment on a total tier list a little more effectively than you can, no offense. Though they are certainly much slower attacking, it's still not THAT bad. It's manageable. They're attacks are naturally really good, so it makes up for it. Sort of. They're still crap, but all I'm saying is they shouldn't be in the same tier list as Zhang Jiao, Diao Chan, etc. Also, there is NO WAY that Zhuge Liang is in the bottom tier. You clearly haven't played enough if you're going to say that. If not first tier, he's in the second tier for sure, without a doubt.
If you're going to attempt to counter my post, at least back up what you're saying with some sort of evidence other than you played the game a lot. I've also played the game a lot as well, so don't assume that you're automatically more knowledgeable than someone else based solely on the time that you alone played the game.
As for Zhuge Liang, if you can explain where a 1 on 1 specialist with no good crowd control moves is in either the first or second tier in a game where the most important trait in a character is crowd control, I'll retract my statement. Otherwise, it still stands.
On Da Qiao and Xiao Qiao, I would counter your post, but it's almost unnecessary. What do you want me to do? Time every individual attack and tell you how quickly they get it out? Just use the characters! When you actually work with them and NOT try to play them as if they had lighter weapons (just treat them as heavy hitters), you'd realize they are not NEARLY bottom tier bad. Specially not as bad as Diao Chan.
And about Zhuge Liang... this is where experience comes to play. You clearly haven't used the characters as much as I have, and when it comes to Zhuge, it's actually very obvious. Him (and Sima Yi) have the most destructive musous in the game. By FAR! Damage-wise, and crowd clearing-wise. Don't believe me? Test it, and then retract your statement.
Diablo 2 tiers?
Someone needs to do one for ragnarok online, I'm thinking about getting an account.. again
Not crowd clearing wise. Considering that Zhuge shoots them out 1 at a time, and almost always straight in front of him, he isn't going to be hitting too many opponents (1 or 2 with each laser), even with the mobility he is allowed. The ones he hits with the start of the musou will be recovering while he is still shooting out the last batch of lasers, unless you specifically target that enemy to hit with all the lasers, in which case you ignore the guys behind you and the guys at your sides. For it to even be remotely good at crowd control, it has to be the true musou which shoots out the bigass laser.
Comparing that to someone like Zhen Ji or Pang Tong (neither of which are top, and are also pretty musou reliant), whose musous, do less damage but hit a huge radius with each hit, he pales very much in comparison.
I have backed my statements with gameplay facts, indicating that I have played with the characters. I took offense to your comment because it seems you implied that I had barely played the game and was talking out of my ass.
Duy Nguyen wrote:
Here's a rough one through experience.
I'm basing this towards PvP. Tiers would be obviously different for PvM and WoE. RO is a bit hard to tier, because certain equipment counters certain classes and even from that certain classes counter eachother.
Streets of Rage 2
Me and my brother have been playing this game alot lately. I always use Axel or I can't beat the game while he always uses Skates (Sammy) and the same goes for him usually.
Skates & Axel are definetly imo maybe Axel as 1 not sure. But Skates is the fast, the only one who can run and his :r: + A move. You need this move to beat the wrestler since he can't knock you out of it, plus it's good for the kickboxers and Barbon (the 1st boss) since this move is quick & deals out damage quickly. Just like Bison's CE Psycho Crusher, it will still do alot of damage if blocked.
Axel of course is just your basic average character liek the Ryu of the game lol.
I never even play Blaze so I can't say.
Maxx is horrible, no range, too slow, he can only do damage if close plus it's pretty easy for the enemies to tag team his big ass.
Speed is really nothin' in side-scrollers. Look at Final Fight, Guy is the fastest but he still sucks.