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Tiers for non-fighting games?

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  • LaoShanLaoShan Joined: Posts: 1
    edited May 2015
    Ni No Kuni Tier list

    After playing it maybe 100 hours, i have evolved almost every type of familliar in 1 final form, sometimes 2, didn't max lvled most of them but i'll try to list some of the best familliars in the game :

    In no particular order

    S+: Dinoceros
    S : Lumberwood, Naja, Toko, Bonehead, Hooray, Monolith, Girlfiend
    A :Purrloiner, Mite, Green Buncher, Mandragorer, Sapdragon,Sleepeafowl
    A- : Little bighorn, Thumbelemur, Fuddy-Daddy, Teeny Bopper, Splisher, Pom Pom, Tin-Man, Sparkee, Dongo, Shrimpaler, Minor Byrde, Buddud, Whambat, Clubber Cub, Clinketyclank, Worker Bumbler, Sprog Cog
    B : Everyone else is viable as you can use gems and items.


    Dinoceros : Broken, Earsplitter and his one target skills can kill everything in a few seconds. (I prefer Catastroceros on him, especially for the atk and the skills)
    Lumberwood : Probably the best tank in the game, give him to Esther and she won't die anymore in defense mode. ( I use Wildwood)
    Naja : One of the best attacker for Oliver, Naja can kill bosses really fast, very good choice before you get Dinoceros, and even after as you can switch between these two (Najapatra is better in my opinion)
    Toko : Hard familiar to get but have a very high evasion and 5* move speed. (Didn't evolve him to his final form, chose whatever you want)
    Bonehead : At first he seems weak, but once he is in his final form he will get stronger and stronger, give him a Dragontooth ring to boost his attack speed and postgame he'll wreck everything (Bone Baron is the best here)
    Hooray : Another very good attacker here with good stats (Grimray)
    Monolith : A very good tank with good stats and good buffs (Paleolith)
    Girlfiend : Excellent caster, but give her gems so she can get better spells (Phantasma)

    You can evolve the other in pretty much everything you prefer, they are great. Always try to raise them to their max lvl before evolving them.


    It's good to have a balanced team with one attacker, one caster and one tank. You can use pretty much every familiar if you have a balanced team. Try to get the familiars with the character they have an affinity with. This is the team i use :


    Oliver : Catastroceros, Najapatra/Puss in Boats, Scrapdragon
    Esther : Grimray, Wimpeafowl, Wildwood
    Swaine : Bone Baron, Phantasma, Paleolith


    I personally don't use Marcassin because he doesn't have a special skill but you can use Toko, Shrimpaler and Relixx i believe.



    With Oliver i try to swap Naja and Dino depending on the situation, scrapdragon have the best stats of all familiars and is very good for tanking. Also he doesn't need a caster because he already have very strong spells.

    Esther with Grimray will do a very good job cleaning mobs, get some gems for Wimpeafowl, whatever you want he is a great aoe caster, and wildwood is just so tanky.

    Swaine with Bone Baron is top tier end game, Phantasma is also a great caster get her some gems and she'll destroy everything, Paleolith is not as great as Wildwood, but he have some really cool aoe spells and buff spells.
  • YunaYuna SRK'S Social Justice Warlock Joined: Posts: 7,672
    edited May 2015
    I've tiered X-Men 2: Clone Wars before, but this is better than any of the tier lists I made in the past.

    S Tier

    Wolverine: He has some of the highest damage output in the game and I think he might be the fastest runner. His low attack comes out either instantly or damn near instantly, and his special attack makes it really easy to keep the momentum going along with doing absurd damage. He'll also heal a bit if you're low on health and stand there with your thumb up your ass for a bit, but if you do that, you're really not playing the game properly. He can also climb on walls and ceilings, making him extremely mobile in a very linear way. His one weakness is that he lacks range, but that isn't really that much of an issue in this game.

    Nightcrawler: He runs a touch slower than Wolverine does, but he has a more versatile moveset consisting of a flying kick (better than anyone else's), a divekick (always too good), and his teleport, which is one of the most damaging attacks in the game and allows you to bypass certain hazards. He and Wolverine can also both climb on walls, and they are the only characters who can walk on ceilings. It comes into play more often than you'd think!

    A Tier

    Beast: The last speed run that I saw used Beast on one level, and it was a level that consisted of nothing but a boss fight. This is because Beast has the highest hit-for-hit damage in the game, and because his jab is fairly quick (still probably the slowest jab, but it's fast-ish), he can keep that damage going for as long as he needs to. He's also surprisingly mobile for those of you who want to speedrun, because he has a very long and fast lunge that cancels into itself and he can climb walls very quickly.

    B Tier

    Cyclops: He probably has the shortest melee attack range in the game and he runs very slowly, but certain attacks of his are incredibly quick on the draw, such as his one-frame optic blasts (you can stunlock almost any mundane enemy with these) and his blistering fast jumping B. Other than that, he isn't great, but his optic blasts alone make him worth playing.

    C Tier

    Gambit: He and Nightcrawler are the only characters with flying kicks, and Gambit's is... okay? The true strength of Gambit lies in his melee range, which is the longest in the game. He can cover a hitbox as big as he is in front of him and stop obnoxious hopping enemies in their tracks with his standing B. With his up-B and jumping up-B, he can hit more above him than most. His damage is okay too. His cards, however, are fairly weak as projectiles go; they come out slow and leave him wide open after they're done. In general, he moves and attacks very slowly.

    Psylocke: She's kind of a mixture of Beast and Gambit, but not as good as either of them. Her jumping B is fucking awesome and functions as a Screw Attack by covering a complete radius around her, and she can stick to walls and climb them just as quickly as the other characters who can do the same thing. She also has better melee range than anybody except Gambit and easily the worst special power in the game. In order to justify the windup, the psionic blade needed to do about five times the damage that it does. I guess having a pseudo-flying kick from it is nice, though.

    D Tier

    Magneto: You get him as a bonus and there's a lot of hype surrounding his arrival, but Magneto just isn't very good. He's the single least mobile character in the game (he walks faster than Beast, but can't lunge or climb walls), his damage output is atrocious, and his levitation is situational at best. I know that it's great against Apocalypse, but you can also kill Apocalypse in like two seconds by ripping into him with Wolverine. Magneto sucks.
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  • EphidelEphidel 02 OG Joined: Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ninjitsu Tiers Revenge of Shinobi (RoS)

    Top

    Jitsu of Ikazuchi - Lighting protects you 3 hits which easily makes this the best jitsu in the game. With Super Shuriken you can get close enough and spam your sword against bosses or difficult enemies who won't die in one hit. Also, you'll need this Jitsu if you want any shot at getting the games good ending.

    Mid-Top

    Jitsu of Fushin - Creates shadows for higher double jumps. It's useful in the sense that you'll practically be forced to use this ideally in some levels (dark city, that BIG ASS ledge jump on the pier/docks level). Also, you can skip a good chunk of the chop shop level just before the fight with the Terminator with this Jitsu.

    Mid

    Jitsu of Mijin - Blow yourself up and take out everything on the screen for decent damage, but at a cost of one life. If you got lives to spare, this ones pretty good but I never found
    use for this and on hard mode they start you out with 0 lives--which means game over if you use it. I only use it against Godzilla, yet I can still beat him without it.

    Low

    Jitsu of Kariu - Terrible Jitsu, summon flames to dmg all on-screen opponents. But, it doesn't cause nowhere near the amount of dmg as Mijin does. Super Shuriken spread does a better a job and it's much faster. I only use this Jitsu once the entire game, and that's on the shadow boss in stage 2 the only place where it is useful because it oddly hits his flames multiple times


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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
    Rockman 5 AirSliding Tiers:

    Imagine a Megaman game where you can slide in the air and cheerful Kirby music plays all the time!

    Tiers:

    Top:

    Gravity Hold- This is no longer a one-hit kill but a full-screen weapon that takes a few hits to "floatkill" an enemy. But that's not why this is broke. If you hold up while using this Rock will "flip" and stick to the ceiling. He can avoid a lot of crap this way, plus if he keeps changing directions he can "float" in midair. A weapon you'll want to always use.

    Crash Kick- This basically let's you slide through almost anything, and it hurts a lot as well. You will always air slide with this on.


    Mid:

    Crystal Eye- Let's you fire a wall-phasing projectile in any direction provided you aim the orb correctly. Powerful and can clear tight spot.


    Napalm Bomb- Fires a fast moving Napalm Bomb. Nice to use when you need power.


    Gyro Attack _ Shoots a curving Gyro Blade. Hard to aim.

    Low:

    Star Crash- Summons a clone of yourself that will turn into stars, travel in a line to and past where you currently are, and hit anything in it's way. Too situational to use.

    Water Wave- Summons a water tornado to hit anything above you. Situational.

    Shit:

    Power Stone- Summons a stone you kick around and try to hit things with. Ew.

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  • exdeathexdeath Joined: Posts: 6
    edited July 2015
    Things about this list
    1-This list is about 2deepness4u and not about quality
    2-Being level 6 doenst mean the thing is 3 times more deeper4u than a level 2 stuff. It just means its more deeper4u than tier 5 and less deeper4u than tier 7.
    3-If you really want to know your level, do this, make a list of genres you really like, and find their level, your level is the level of the most deep4u genre. So as some example if you like post-grunge and harsh noise, your level is infinite.
    4- This list is a wip and can and WILL be changed if something here is 100% proven to be wrong, also new styles, genres and sub-genres not here will be added. So if something on this list sucks tell what it is.


    >Level 0
    Post-grunge
    Pop-punk
    Eurodance
    Disco
    Italo-disco
    Eurobeat
    Freestyle
    Country music
    House (excluding house sub-genres I say on other levels)
    Synthpop
    R&B
    Hip-Hop
    Casiocore
    Electro house
    "Euro trance" (excluding dutch trance)
    Contemporary folk (problably would split into different levels if I knew what are the genres that contemporary folk have)


    >Level 1
    Nu-metal
    Hard Rock
    Dutch Trance
    Filter House
    Hard House
    Tech House
    Acid House
    Happy Hardcore
    Neue Deutsche Härte
    Vocal Jazz
    Punk Rock (excluding pop-punk, grindcore, noise rock, powerviolence, hardcore)

    >Level 2
    Dubstep
    Chiptunes
    Jungle
    MicroHouse
    Brostep
    Psy trance
    Classic trance
    Progressive Rock
    Abstract Hip-hop
    Illbient

    >Level 3
    Power metal
    Heavy Metal
    Dungeon Synth
    Winter Synth
    Progressive Metal
    Math Rock
    Hardcore (Punk Rock one)
    Metalcore
    Ambient breaks
    Worldbeat
    Post-rock
    Stoner Doom Metal
    Industrial Metal
    Trip Hop
    Ambient House
    Smooth Jazz


    >level 4
    Acid jazz
    Hardstyle
    Jumpstyle
    Traditional Folk
    Techno
    Folk Metal
    Powerviolence

    >level 5
    Classic Industrial
    Martial Industrial
    Thrash metal
    Classical Music
    New Age
    Minimalism
    IDM
    Digital Hardcore
    Softer Hardcore (electronic music one) subgenres (excluding happy hardcore)
    Traditional Doom metal

    >Level 6
    Sludge Doom Metal
    Death/doom Metal
    Noise Rock
    Grindcore
    Death Metal
    Black metal
    Avant-garde Jazz
    Terrorcore
    Ambient Techno
    Ambient Psy
    Ambient Trance
    Ethereal Dakwave


    >Level 7
    Funeral Doom Metal
    Ambient
    Glitch
    Speedcore
    Power noise

    >Level 8
    Free Jazz
    Breakcore
    Musique Concrete
    Drone Doom Metal

    >Level 9
    Dark Ambient
    Tonefield
    Field Recordings

    >Level 10
    Power Electronics
    Onkyo

    >Level infinite
    Lowercase
    Harsh Noise
  • KaiserCowabungaKaiserCowabunga Joined: Posts: 14
    I've seen a WWF No Mercy thread here. Is there any general thread for Wrestling games in general? The ones back in the 90s and early 2000s didn't have visible ratings like modern ones do, so it'd be interesting a tier list for all the n64 wrestling games and the SmackDown! games before Here Comes the Pain. I'd say that in Shut Your Mouth, Kurt Angle, Triple H and The Rock were the strongest wrestlers. Lesnar, Undertaker and Austin were petty god, too. Then again this is just my experience. Feel free to disagree with me.
  • ShishiohShishioh Starbreaker Joined: Posts: 2,924
    I've seen a WWF No Mercy thread here. Is there any general thread for Wrestling games in general? The ones back in the 90s and early 2000s didn't have visible ratings like modern ones do, so it'd be interesting a tier list for all the n64 wrestling games and the SmackDown! games before Here Comes the Pain. I'd say that in Shut Your Mouth, Kurt Angle, Triple H and The Rock were the strongest wrestlers. Lesnar, Undertaker and Austin were petty god, too. Then again this is just my experience. Feel free to disagree with me.

    Fuckin' Rock in SYM and HCTP. Dude ALWAYS had a special.

    Charisma was too damn good back in those games.
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  • EphidelEphidel 02 OG Joined: Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    GTA3 Weapons:

    Top:

    M16 - Ridiculously powerful, army grunts take you out with little effort, and blows up cars instantly. More powerful than the AK-47, yet slightly less durable.

    Flamethrower - Probably the only weapon that can destroy Tanks effectively, good damage, solid weapon choice for crowds.

    Rocket Launcher - Slow, but still a force to be reckoned with. Blows up just about everything, takes down helicopters, go-to weapon for rampages

    Top-Mid:

    AK-47 - Slightly weaker than the M16, but very durable. You can aim with it, still blow up stuff, and can take down people easily.

    Sniper Rifle - A situation-type weapon, has it flaws and strengths. Most people go with the Rocket Launcher.

    Mid:

    Shotgun (Sawed Off/Pump Action) - Powerful, but extremely slow. Not good in crowds, but one on one probably the most effective weapon out of the selection you have. It does good damage to cars, as car damage is extremely easy in this game.

    Grenades - Good area damage, but you have to throw it accurately which hinders its effectiveness. Good weapon for surprising gang members during missions

    Uzi - An improved version of the pistol. It fires faster, you can run with it, and it holds a lot of bullets. Nice weapon early in the game, but becomes outclassed later on by the AK and M16

    Cocktail - They blow up the moment they hit the ground which makes it unsafe to throw one anywhere near you. They can damage Tanks nicely though, and from a distance that's a good thing. Not much use outside that.

    Mid-Low:

    Pistol: Your standard weapon choice. It's weak, fires kinda slow, but always have one on you anyway. You never know when you'll need it

    Low:

    Bat - Run up to someone and start swinging away. It'll take a few hits but eventually they will die, outclassed by every other weapon in the game.









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  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    edited December 2015
    Tales of Symphonia character tier list, vaguely from memory:

    God tier: Raine
    Easy one. She's the only full-time healer, and she's got great support magic and even some decent attack spells to boot. The only actual auto-include in a party.

    S tier: Zelos/Kratos, Lloyd
    The sword 'n board-boys can, with the right gems, do a 6-hit chain before going into specials. This means that, if an AI-character is attacking in rotation with you, it's possible to infinitely stunlock any enemy (barring them entering Overdrive, of course). The 6-hit chain into specials also means they do some mean damage even when disregarding the infinite stunlock. Their healing comes useful early in the game as well, though their spells are mostly a nuisance.
    Lloyd can also infinitely stunlock people, though it's a bit less braindead than with Kratos and Zelos since you need to use his specials to keep the stunlock going. He's also got all the overpowered specials, is the only character with a natural 4-hit chain (attack #3 is done with the stick in neutral) and is easily the best character early in the game.

    A tier: Colette, Genis, Sheena
    Support characters! Genis destroys people, Colette has the best support magic and can function several ways with her angel spells, Sheena has her great summons, debuffs and can help the S-tiers with stunlocking people. All of them are viable as a 4th character on the team, though Colette is complete shait before she gets Holy Song and Judgement.

    B tier: Presea
    She's okay. She's just unremarkable, considering Lloyd does all she can, but better.

    Butt tier: Regal
    He's worse than Presea and doesn't do anything. He also has no combos in team attack mode.
    Why would you ever put this guy on your team

    Oh, and I'm horribly bored. Here's a Hearthstone hero power tier list:

    S tier: Warlock
    It says "draw a card", which should already tell you how good it is. The life cost can be used to your advantage in a lot of situations. Outclasses everything else by a mile, and explains why there's pretty much always been a top 5 warlock deck.

    A tier: Paladin, mage, hunter
    Paladin makes an 1/1 without using a card, mage randomly pings things. Both affect the board and are otherwise good uses of mana when you have it to spare. Steady Shot doesn't affect the board, but for a class with as much reach as hunter, softening people up before you play double kill command at their face is quite okay.

    B tier: Druid, priest
    Druid hero power is a marginally better than mage when going to the face, and significantly worse when targeting a minion. Priest is amazing at holding board control, but doesn't help you reclaim the board when you're behind. Both can help slightly against face decks, which is always a plus as well.

    C tier: Rogue, warrior
    Both of these hero powers are pretty bad in a vacuum, but are significantly helped by their classes being built around the effects the hero power provides. Still, they're not as flexible as the hero powers above.

    D tier: Shaman
    Hooray for RNG! The totems themselves are actually really good, but the fact that you can't select which totem to get makes the power significantly worse.

    Oh, and I wrote a tier list for all of the equipment sets in FTL: Faster Than Light a while back, due to immense boredom during a cancer biology lecture. It's kind of outdated now that Advanced edition dropped, but I'll post it when I find it.
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    Anyone do a Dragon's Crown tier list?
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  • King9999King9999 Joined: Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    Xenoblade Chronicles character tiers:

    S

    Melia: She's great because she can do a lot of damage in a short period of time. Lightning + poison/flame/ice DOT = huge damage. Melia is a must for fighting high level enemies; just be sure to have someone to keep aggro off her.

    A
    Shulk: Great character who's easy to use. He's basically the rogue class of the game; he's fast, and is most effective by attacking the enemy from the side or the back. Also like a rogue, he can't take damage well, so have someone keep aggro off of him. All of the Monado powers are useful, even if some of them are situational. As the main character, Shulk works well in any party setup. and he's the only character who has access to all of them at once (once his skill gauge is full). The only problem is that you can't make builds with him since his initial skills and the Monado arts are all he gets.

    Dunban: Does crazy burst damage, and his high agility makes him hard to hit. Dunban is a glass cannon, so he pretty much needs that high agility. He can fill up his skill gauge really fast with Soaring Tempest, so he'll always have opportunities to do big damage. One issue is that some of his moves depend on Gale Slash in order to debuff the enemy, so you'll likely be keeping Gale Slash + certain moves on deck. This means that any build you make will probably have the same few set of skills, making Dunban somewhat inflexible.

    Reyn: He's a very good tank. He does have some offensive power, making him useful for scoring topples or dizzies. More often than not, you want him in your party since he takes damage very well and can keep enemies off of the other members.

    Seven: She's the only fighter with a variable Talent Art, and she's a good character regardless of what you equip her with. Seven can do lots of damage in a short amount of time, especially with something like Sword Drones. Final Cross is amazing, but requires a lot of resources to use it.

    B

    Sharla: She's the best healer, but her big drawback is her gun overheats and must cool down before any art can be used again. A mistimed heal can be the end of your party, so you might have to micromanage at times.

    Riki: He's fun to use, and has lots of debuffs to work with. Happy Happy is a must. His damage isn't too high, but he does have a lot of HP (but not the defense to go with it, initially).
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  • YunaYuna SRK'S Social Justice Warlock Joined: Posts: 7,672
    edited April 2016
    bloodymess wrote: »

    MASS EFFECT 2 COMPANION TIER LIST INSANITY VERSION

    Wrong.

    Top: Miranda, Thane
    High: Garrus, Samara, Zaeed
    Middle: Grunt, Tali, Jack, Mordin
    Low: Jacob, Morinth
    Bottom: Legion

    Biotics are better on Insanity than most people realize. It's just that the specific powers that are really, really useful has changed. Miranda is the best squad mate in the game, period, the end, because she can buff everyone else's damage output and she has access to both Overload and Warp in a game where stripping protections quickly is everything. Warp also lets you use the all-powerful biotic detonation, which brings me to Thane. Thane is better than Zaeed because his damage output is just as high, but he also has Warp and Throw, which aid him in crowd control, whereas Zaeed can pretty much only do really good damage. Zaeed's usefulness is also determined by your class. He's much less helpful to Soldiers and Infiltrators who already have access to Disruptor Ammo, Zaeed's best skill.

    Pull is the most consistently overlooked ability in the game because it takes enemies out of play for extended periods of time and allows you to detonate Warp bombs more or less at your leisure. As a result of this, characters with Pull are really valuable, and Samara is the best of the so-called "Pull bot" squad mates because of her additional abilities (Reave and Throw) and her good weapon selection. Jack is also pretty good, but only due to the presence of Pull and Squad Warp Ammo; on higher levels of difficulty, Shockwave is pretty much worthless.

    Grunt is durable but not much else; his damage output sucks and he has no crowd control at all. Tali's Combat Drone and Energy Drain are nice, but her weapons aren't great and she goes down like a sack of rocks on an embarrassingly frequent basis. Morinth and Jacob are better than Legion because Dominate is more useful in more situations than AI Hacking is, Jacob can use Pull, and both of them have decent weapons as I recall. AI Hacking isn't actually all that special. If only Legion were around in the first game.
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
    edited March 2016
    Old Persona Shadow Lab Tiers that I decided to fix up:


    In no order, based off of Stats/Main Persona moves/good tactics:

    Elite:

    Akihiko
    P4 Main
    Naoto (against random encounters.)
    Zen and ReI
    Mitsuru

    Extremely Useful:
    Yukari
    *Yukiko
    P3 Main
    Yosuke

    Useful:
    Aigis
    Kanji
    Shinjiro
    Koromaru

    Limited Use:
    Chie
    Junpei
    Ken
    Teddie


    Crap:
    Naoto (against bosses and strong enemies)

    Navigators:
    Fuuka > Rise, but depends on the situation really.


    *Yukiko> Yukari if you teach her a group heal though.


    Explanations:

    Akihiko has high stats and Death Counter. The only thing bad about him is that Bash is often an awful attack type.

    P4 Main has high stats, good skills, and Dark immunity. He also is great with Links.

    Naoto with a good sub persona can basically win random battle after random battle. It's when you get to the Light and Dark immune enemies (or she misses) that she turns to crap due to having to rely too much on techs others can do better. Also she is made of paper.

    Zen and Rei have nice skills and do excellent Pierce damage from the back. They also have access to all elements and a cut attack, meaning the can hit weaknesses extremely often.

    Mitsuru has high magic and good stats, meaning she can go up front or sit in the back and support/heal (which IMO is her best position unless you need her pierce damage.)

    Yukari and Yukiko are both healers: Yukari starts out better at healing while Yukiko is better at attacking. Yukiko slowly gets better than Yukari thanks to her better stats, skill cards, and better speed.

    P3 Main has high stats like P4 Main (though he leans towards magic), but he has lighting and light weaknesses that hurt him.

    Yosuke is the fastest character in the game, meaning he's excellent at setting up links and using items first. He has good stats in everything exceot luck. His poor luck screws him over with status, which can make a battle harder than it needs to be.


    Aigis can launch hard hitting attacks from the back and also can cover members if she needs to. Orgia mode is pretty bad unless you reallllly need it.

    Kanji and Shinji are both straight out attackers with good defense: Kanji is a bit more versatile than Shinji though. Shinji is a better tank however due to not having any weaknesses and RtoY.

    Koro is the second fastest and will wreck anything dark-weak; unfortunately being fast is all he does.

    The rest are usually outclassed by someone else except possibly Junpei.
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
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    King9999 wrote: »
    Xenoblade Chronicles character tiers:

    S

    Melia: Yes.

    A
    Shulk: Stay, Shulk is basically pretty average against most non-mechons. He can fit on almost any team though.

    Dunban: Higher, Dunban is basically the tank Reyn wishes he could be and with actual damage to go with it.

    Reyn: Lower, yes he's a great tank but that's it, he can'take do much else.

    Seven: Higher, I think. Really depends on if you want to use 7 or Melia.

    B

    Sharla: Right where she needs to be, her cool downs will usually put the party in deep shit and she usually draws massive aggro when healing.

    Riki: Waaaay higher, Riki's debuff damage can basically win battles by themselves, he fills the chain gauge extremely fast, he can draw and get rid of aggro extremely fast, and he can heal.

    Issues to note:

    Melia and 7 have horrible AI, so you will usually need to control them. Don't put them on the same team.

    If Shula has TM he is high.

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    Yuna wrote: »
    bloodymess wrote: »

    MASS EFFECT 2 COMPANION TIER LIST INSANITY VERSION

    Wrong.

    Top: Miranda, Thane
    High: Garrus, Samara, Zaeed
    Middle: Grunt, Tali, Jack, Mordin
    Low: Jacob, Morinth
    Bottom: Legion

    You lack Kasumi in your list and there's no practical reason why Garrus should be above either Samara according to your logic, nor Zaeed for that matter.
    Biotics are better on Insanity than most people realize. It's just that the specific powers that are really, really useful has changed. Miranda is the best squad mate in the game, period, the end, because she can buff everyone else's damage output and she has access to both Overload and Warp in a game where stripping protections quickly is everything. Warp also lets you use the all-powerful biotic detonation, which brings me to Thane. Thane is better than Zaeed because his damage output is just as high, but he also has Warp and Throw, which aid him in crowd control, whereas Zaeed can pretty much only do really good damage. Zaeed's usefulness is also determined by your class. He's much less helpful to Soldiers and Infiltrators who already have access to Disruptor Ammo, Zaeed's best skill.

    Glad we agree on Miranda. That doesn't seem like a point of contention for most people.

    As far as Thane topping the list alongside Miranda, I'd have to disagree.

    * Throw does not affect enemies with active protections, in which Insanity has in overwhelming abundance. In fact, outside of the Prologue mission everyone you fight will have protections in one way or another. This vastly limits the usage of Throw to anyone without a barrier, shield, or armor. In which case it's more efficient and effective to shoot them.

    * Warp is indeed amazing. Unfortunately, Thane has to put points into Throw in order to gain access to Warp. Though I admit you can get away with getting Heavy Throw/Unstable Warp/damage passive and not put a single point into his bonus power.

    * Zaeed has about as much crowd control as Thane, if not more so- Inferno Grenade induces panics toward organics and detonates flamethrower packs, Disruptor Ammo is essentially Overload in every bullet, and Concussive Shot knocks down organic/synthetics. Whereas Thane is crap against shields, Zaeed can actually handle them on his own. While they have identical passive bonuses, Zaeed is still doing overall more damage than Thane simply because of packing assault rifles over submachine guns; the difference is honestly quite noticeable when you factor in the numbers.

    * I'd argue similarly toward Thane- for classes that can handle shields without much issue (Which is two-thirds of the playable classes), Thane is a fine choice. But Zaeed doesn't care about what class you pick: he's still going to remain able to strip down any defense you throw at him and still hit like a truck. That's immensely helpful in the early game where you're going to encounter multiple kinds of defenses quickly without access to the stronger upgrades and power ranks.

    * Thane becomes available after Horizon whereas Zaeed is immediately available assuming you have his DLC. This is important since aside from the Collector Ship, most of the more difficult trials happen during the early-mid game, when Thane is unavailable but Zaeed can be of use. At the point you acquire Thane, he's essentially relegated to missions with Collectors. Which is a great niche for lategame, don't get me wrong, but it's a valid issue.
    Pull is the most consistently overlooked ability in the game because it takes enemies out of play for extended periods of time and allows you to detonate Warp bombs more or less at your leisure. As a result of this, characters with Pull are really valuable, and Samara is the best of the so-called "Pull bot" squad mates because of her additional abilities (Reave and Throw) and her good weapon selection. Jack is also pretty good, but only due to the presence of Pull and Squad Warp Ammo; on higher levels of difficulty, Shockwave is pretty much worthless.

    I don't give a shit about Pull because like Throw, it doesn't do anything against anything with protections up and if their protections are already down, chances are you can shoot them dead without wasting a power anyway. If Samara had Warp/Pull instead of Pull/Throw she would be fantastic but unfortunately she's kinda dicked. Thankfully Reave is a good ability but didn't detonate combos.

    Jack isn't terribly useful since she's only going to be helpful in the late game- before Horizon she's going to stick out like a sore thumb and she'll ever really be helpful once she unlocks Warp Ammo and on the Derelict Reaper. Both of which you'll likely already have enough upgrades and maxed out skills to render her obsolete.
    Grunt is durable but not much else; his damage output sucks and he has no crowd control at all. Tali's Combat Drone and Energy Drain are nice, but her weapons aren't great and she goes down like a sack of rocks on an embarrassingly frequent basis. Morinth and Jacob are better than Legion because Dominate is more useful in more situations than AI Hacking is, Jacob can use Pull, and both of them have decent weapons as I recall. AI Hacking isn't actually all that special. If only Legion were around in the first game.

    * I need to find the old post that ran the numbers but Grunt w/ Claymore is one of the highest damage potentials a squadmate can achieve. It's a riskier proposition than Grunt with a Geth Shotgun since the latter will actually observe the importance of cover but there you go. I'll also acknowledge that Grunt lacks crowd control on the basis that he is crowd control. His charge, while putting him in danger, can still incapacitate people and attract attention away from Shepard and your second squadmate. It means little when he goes down relatively quickly in the early game but it makes a hell of a difference versus that one captain/boss, especially the humanoid ones and varren/klixen.

    * Tali with the Geth Shotgun is better since the A.I. for squadmates in general isn't pants-on-head retarded with the thing equipped. They actually use cover! I'm not sure why it is what it is but there you go. As you said, Drone and Energy Drain are good but Drone is a less effective Grunt and Tali gains Energy Drain too late for it to really matter.

    * Morinth arrives too late to be of real use and unlike A.I. Hacking will not pierce protections. And I'll repeat myself as I did with Throw and Pull- if they don't have protections, you're better off just shooting them in the head. Jacob arrives early on and if you don't have Kasumi or Zaeed, is a fine squadmate until you get your hands on Garrus. Otherwise he's simply outclassed: armor is arguably the easiest protection to contend with since every class has an answer for it and I've already expressed my thoughts on Pull. Both of their weapon loadouts aren't particularly great either; I'd argue Zaeed and Garrus have the ideal loadouts since Sniper Rifles hit like trucks and Assault Rifles deal with barrier/shields.

    * Legion is ranked where he is because Pull doesn't pierce protections. If they could, he'd be dead last. Alas, here we are.
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    Nobody's really attempted a Hyrule Warriors tier list, have they? Let me try:
    (Does not include Legends characters)


    S
    Link
    Sheik

    A
    Impa
    Zelda
    Volga
    Young Link
    Cia


    B
    Ganondorf
    Darunia
    Ruto
    Midna
    Twili Midna
    Tingle
    Ghirahim

    C
    Wizzro
    Lana
    Fi


    D
    Zant
    Agitha
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  • JoshkazJoshkaz Princess Luna is my Waifu Joined: Posts: 15,348
    edited April 2016
    Young Link is in S tier, bro.

    He can stay in Fierce Deity forever. Making him unkillable, and the damage.

    Shiek is more A tier. She can't die, but other characters do way more damage, and faster.

    I'd throw Volga in S tier too. He's fast, has infinites, and his AoE's are absurd.
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    Played Blur competitively for 5 years and at a one point, was a top 5 player in the game (stayed in the top 20 pretty much throughout the entire run). Ran one of the more successful clans on 360 and hosted both clan matches and open competitions in virtually every possible game mode.

    Vehicle tier list:

    Class A

    S: Astra Extreme, Mustang GT-R Concept
    A: CCX-R, Monaro VXR (Drift)
    B: R8 4.2 FSI Quattro, Viper Venom 1000, FR-100, Transit Supervan3, Skyline GT-R NISMO Z-tune, Mégane Trophy
    C: Camaro SS (Drag), C3 (Drag), Viper GTSR
    D: C3 (Race), Challenger SRT8 (Race)

    Class B

    S: Challenger (Tuner)
    A: ZR1, M3 E92 (Drift), Golf W12 650
    B: X5 xDrive48i M Sport, C3 (Rat), Scirocco 24, Ford GT
    C: Concept 1 Series tii (Race), Nemesis, Viper ACR, Focus RS (Race), Exige Cup 260
    D: HHR (Race), F-100 (Off-Road)

    Class C

    S: Shelby GT500
    A: Camaro SS, F-100 (Rat)
    B: M3 E92 (Tuner), 69 Camaro, F-150 SVT Raptor (Off-Road), 350Z (Drift)
    C: Hummer H2 (Off-Road), Hummer H2 (Rat), LRX, Supra (Smooth), Beetle (Off-Road)
    D: TTS Coupé, Ford Bronco (Off-Road), Navara (Rat)

    Class D

    S: ACS1 Coupé
    A: Concept 1 Series tii, Challenger SRT8, Supra
    B: Beetle (Rat), Camaro (Rat), Stallion Ford Mustang, 350Z NISMO Z-tune, Rat Rod
    C: Audi S3, Navara (Off-Road), Renault R230 F1 Team R26
    D: Camaro, Defender SVX, Focus RS

    This is generally based on "unlimited" public lobby racing where Drifter Mod strategies owned all, but some of these cars were equally viable in Front Runner/non-boost/Hardcore setups and that made them extremely versatile. A Motor Mash-specific tier list would look completely different though - the top cars were usually the slowest-in-class (like the TTS Coupé, Audi S3, Renault R230 and the Concept 1 Series tii Race). List also doesn't factor in the legendary or boss editions of cars, which were all generally lighter and faster, which made them harder to control (if you added them to the list, Shannon's Astra would be S tier and the Astra Extreme would be bumped to A).

    Some fun facts for people unfamiliar with the game:

    - The Astra Extreme was Ryu. Starting car that you didn't have to unlock by leveling up, good in all situations if you knew how to use it. A bit boring to use though.
    - The Shelby GT500 was 3rd Strike Chun. It had every tool you ever wanted, safe in any situation, picking it meant you were generally going to do better than everyone else, but it didn't guarantee a victory.
    - The Challenger (Tuner) was O.Sagat. Once people started picking this in lobbies, you basically had to do the same or you'd lose. It had a fixed paint job though, which made it unavailable in team racing and therefore all clan matches. People then would shift to the ZR1 and Golf depending on preference.
    - The Audi S3 was Dan. It was awful and slow, but it wasn't quite as bad as everyone made it out to be, so every once in a while you'd see a top pro pick it for shits and giggles, and then bop the entire lobby. There's nothing quite so humiliating like seeing an S3 on the victory screen.
    - Just like in fighting games, there were a few players in Blur dedicated to making low-tier stuff not only viable, but competitive. There are entire montages dedicated to wins in vehicles nobody had any business driving in the first place, much less drifting alongside the top tier stuff.
    SFV - Mika
    USFIV - Makoto, Evil Ryu
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    Anyone do a Dragon's Crown tier list?

    Asking again.
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
    edited April 2016
    Anyone do a Dragon's Crown tier list?

    Asking again.

    IMO tier list.

    Sorcercess
    Amazon
    Wizard/Elf
    Dwarf
    Fighter

    But you can really pick any class you want.
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  • Kinniku BusterKinniku Buster OK Joined: Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭ Former OG
    edited April 2016
    King9999 wrote: »
    Nobody's really attempted a Hyrule Warriors tier list, have they? Let me try:
    (Does not include Legends characters)


    S
    Link
    Sheik

    A
    Impa
    Zelda
    Volga
    Young Link
    Cia


    B
    Ganondorf
    Darunia
    Ruto
    Midna
    Twili Midna
    Tingle
    Ghirahim

    C
    Wizzro
    Lana
    Fi


    D
    Zant
    Agitha

    What exactly are you basing the tiers off of? Plus Link, Zelda, Lana and Impa have weapon variations so you have to take those into account too IMO.

    And I know you said this is a non-legends tier list but I can soundly say Linkle is S tier in that game. She's as good if not better than Link (Sword/Master Sword) who is hands down the best vanilla HW character.
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
    edited May 2016
    Naeras wrote: »
    Tales of Symphonia character tier list, vaguely from memory:

    God tier: Raine
    Easy one. She's the only full-time healer, and she's got great support magic and even some decent attack spells to boot. The only actual auto-include in a party.

    S tier: Zelos/Kratos, Lloyd
    The sword 'n board-boys can, with the right gems, do a 6-hit chain before going into specials. This means that, if an AI-character is attacking in rotation with you, it's possible to infinitely stunlock any enemy (barring them entering Overdrive, of course). The 6-hit chain into specials also means they do some mean damage even when disregarding the infinite stunlock. Their healing comes useful early in the game as well, though their spells are mostly a nuisance.
    Lloyd can also infinitely stunlock people, though it's a bit less braindead than with Kratos and Zelos since you need to use his specials to keep the stunlock going. He's also got all the overpowered specials, is the only character with a natural 4-hit chain (attack #3 is done with the stick in neutral) and is easily the best character early in the game.

    A tier: Colette, Genis, Sheena
    Support characters! Genis destroys people, Colette has the best support magic and can function several ways with her angel spells, Sheena has her great summons, debuffs and can help the S-tiers with stunlocking people. All of them are viable as a 4th character on the team, though Colette is complete shait before she gets Holy Song and Judgement.

    B tier: Presea
    She's okay. She's just unremarkable, considering Lloyd does all she can, but better.

    Butt tier: Regal
    He's worse than Presea and doesn't do anything. He also has no combos in team attack mode.
    Why would you ever put this guy on your team

    This needs a fix.

    God: Raine, Colette (Player)
    S: Lloyd, Regal (Player), Zelos/Kratos,
    A: Presea
    A-: Colette (AI), Regal (AI)
    B: Genis, Sheena

    Raine is healbot. You really only have 3 party slots cause your 4th one is the Raine slot.
    Colette's broken paraball cancels make her OP if you are controlling her.
    Lloyd can lock down enemies easily and has great combos and some infinites.
    Regal controlled can do massively damaging combos. Hard to use, but Kicking Jesus when mastered.
    Zelos/Kratos are basically Swiss Army knives: they can do a bit of anything.
    Presea is a damage beast (she outdamages almost everyone), but lacks in combos.
    Colette and Regals AI's are horrid.
    Genis starts to lose steam once you realize that magic attacks suck and he can't do much else.
    Sheena unfortunately is just outclassed by everyone, and her summons are useless.
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    Colette has Paraball-cancels? How do those work? All I was aware of was her normal-normal-feathers-guard cancel infinite, which was patched out of the PS2-version iirc.
  • EphidelEphidel 02 OG Joined: Posts: 15,113 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    Virtua Fighter 2

    Top: Akira, Dural
    Mid Top: Wolf, Sarah
    Mid: Jacky, Jeffry, Kage, Lau, Pai
    Mid Bottom: Shun
    Bottom: Lion


    Akira has something for everyone in this game, great counters and he gains solid dmg off the opponents mistakes. Dural is well...Dural.

    Wolf is impressive, his swings does well over 50%, so if he grabs you it's pretty much over. Sarah has better combos than Jacky does, and better recovery options in her moves.

    Jacky is decent in good hands, but I think they made Sarah much better than him in this one. Wolf is better Jeffry, if you pick Jeffry might as well pick Wolf for better dmg. Kage is a tough call because he has decent throws, but some of his moves seem slow to me (especially his flip kick). Lau/Pai are about the same, decent combos but bad recovery options. Lau isn't as good in this as he was in VF1

    Shun can surprise people but he has a difficult learning curve and overall I don't think he's all that good compared to the others

    Lion isn't that great either, probably the weakest fighter. Decent lows, but overall he's just weak. No good dmg, bad recovery, etc. etc.
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    Alto's Adventure Tier Characters

    S Tier

    Tupa - Has all other characters traits, unique ability for chasms, and no extreme flaws if any flaws at all. He is the final character you unlock, but well worth the struggle.

    A Tier+

    Maya - You get Maya early on. She can rack up extreme trick points, and she can nail those pesky proximity flips much, much better than the other characters. Her major drawback is her speed which puts her at the mercy of giant chasms. Also, she has problems avoiding the elders deep in a snowboarding run.

    A Tier

    Felipe - Felipe is surprising a good flipper, can double jump, and is not too slow. He has problems doing some of the tricks at higher levels and takes a while to unlock.

    B Tier

    Izel - Izel is what you get when you combine Alto and Paz. She has a unique boost that travels many meters, and she flips much better than Paz does. Focus on using boost with her because that's her main strength, but it could also be her major weakness because of the unpredictability of rocks and chasms.

    C Tier

    Paz - Some people think this guy is the worst in the game because he's the worst flipper. However, one thing he excels at is speed. I think he's much faster than Izel, Alto, and definitely Maya. Hell, he might be faster than Felipe too. This gives him some good momentum even in the open field, but his boost will never be better than Izel. He's good at escaping Elders but you need to be able to do tricks in this game if you want to advance. Paz is not the character for that, and by the time you get to the distance challenges there will be better options available.

    D Tier

    Alto - Alto isn't technically bad per say, but his glaring flaw is that he doesn't excel at anything. The more you advance in this game, the more you need to be creative and he just doesn't bring anything to the table late in challenges. Once you unlock Izel, Paz and Alto become obsolete.
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  • IM_AmazonIM_Amazon Joined: Posts: 163
    edited July 2016
    Donkey Kong 64
    Kong Battle: Monkey Smash

    First of all, this resource shares some tricks. Movement matters, so try some of this out:
    https://kb.speeddemosarchive.com/Donkey_Kong_64#Movement_Techniques

    I love me some Dong, so an all-Dong battle mode is right up my alley. As for the game, Battle Mode is super-unsung. Conker's Bad Fur Day gets most of the accolades, but the mobility options and arena sizes here are quite interesting. Cancels, jumps, glitches and more (sadly, in-game upgrades like Lanky's handstand aren't available). The Kongs are generally similar--they have roughly identical base walkspeed, attack damage, weapon ranges, etc. The main areas of differentiation are hitboxes (duh) and movement tricks. I think the tiers are pretty close, if only because the Kongs aren't excessively different.

    Generally, melee hitboxes suck, as do aerials. It's easier and stronger to use your ranged weapons unless someone gets into your space (you run slower with the gun out, and it takes time to arm/disarm). Because of their efficacy, being able to move quickly helps in avoiding gunfire and getting ammo/oranges to turn the tables faster. When firing your gun, the projectile limit is 4. You can easily short-hop shots, which allows you to "strafe" in midair while firing. Hopping over (or running around) shots is the most direct way to seize advantage--once caught near melee range, they either have to run away from you (and they run slower), or try to disarm and put themselves at risk. Nothing complicated, but useful all the same.
    EDIT: By holding a direction while arming/disarming, it's much faster. Why...?

    The main trick in my eyes would be choosing modes that don't encourage stalling, like Wins. Having team battles would help in that respect (Conker's BFD has teamplay this game lacks).
    Characters listed in no significant order within their tiers.

    A - DK, Chunky, Krusha
    B - Diddy, Lanky, Tiny

    DK is the king of mobility. Just...read the SDA entry. Rolling (run Z+B) is the fastest form of movement, and his moonkicks can be of benefit in Arena 1. He essentially has the easiest time getting from point A to point B quickly, projecting hitboxes the whole time. His coconut gun does not fire in spurts any more or less than the average.

    Chunky is not actually slower, though it may seem so. He's is a big target, but it's compensated by his bazooka. The height of his shots makes hopping/crouching them essentially impossible. Since he doesn't have to short-hop to get his shots to an ideal height, he can fan them out to make them harder to strafe. Very solid zoning ability.

    Krusha--the unlockable character. He's essentially a variation of Chunky. First things first: his melee attacks are easily the worst in the game. Horrendous hitboxes leave him at a serious disadvantage when ammo is low. Everything else is solid stuff: his slide (run Z+B) can let him run a bit faster (but doesn't decrease his large profile). His shots are like Chunky's (but are easier to hop over). The trade-off is that he shoots oranges--dealing more damage. Krusha only needs 4 shots to KO instead of 5, which adds up fast, and compensates his reduced coverage.
    EDIT: Krusha's shots are the only ones that bounce off ceilings. Why...?

    Diddy's the smallest, which helps in avoiding shots. Peanuts are fairly easy to jump over, and his double-jump stuff isn't the most useful mobility, but being hard to hit can go a long way. Consider him the best for "passively" avoiding gunfire (and hiding around corners, behind other players, etc.). His left-right peanut spread is interesting, if not totally useful.

    Lanky's major claim to fame would be his melee attacks. His aerial is remarkably active, helping with up-close scrums. His melee attacks are indeed long, and jump-cancelling removes the steep recovery. His grapes are pretty much average (I'm struggling to tell if they're better or worse than coconuts). A good character in areas where Krusha struggles.

    Tiny is fairly small, and is probably the best character for actively avoiding gunfire. Her slide (run Z+B) enables faster mobility, and combined with her skid she can avoid short-hop shots--most notably Chunky's. Her aerial is basically a jaguar kick, so it's fairly reliable. Sadly, helicopter hair isn't an option in multiplayer.
    Essentially, every character's good for at least one thing. Team play would really spice it up.
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  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    edited May 2016
    FTL - Faster Than Light equipment tier list

    I wrote this during a lecture about 3 years ago, at a time I still played the game actively. I think I have ~80 completed playthroughs.
    Do note that this is vanilla FTL, not the enchanced edition. I was kind of burned out on the game long before enhanced was released. Enhanced brought on a lot of changes, and new equipment types, and a lot of the top tier equipments here got a lot worse because some ships now have direct hard-counters to them.
    Explainations of the tiers:
    S tier: Extremely useful equipment. Useful in almost every build, either as a main weapon or as a support weapon. For augments/drones they will give you great value for your scrap. Almost always a good choice.
    A tier: Very useful equipment. Has a lot of useful build combinations, either as a piece of support for the rest of your build, or something that you can focus your build around. Usually doesn't have the synergy of the S-tiers, or they're less cost/energy efficient, so they're not complete no-brainers.
    B tier: Mostly useful equipment. The kind of gear that usually tapers off later in the game, or isn't something you can construct your entire equipment build around, but it's useful as support equipment, or in the early game. Not always useful, but more often than not it can serve a purpose. Depends on the rest of your build.
    C tier: Mediocre equipment. Either used as a filler, or for very specific builds. Otherwise not very useful.
    D tier: Bad equipment. Not worth its cost, will do very little work and take up equipment slots and energy unnecessarily. Sometimes they'll even be detrimental. Just sell them and try to get something better as soon as you can.

    Weapons: Lasers
    S tier: Burst Laser 2, Dual Laser, Crystal Burst, Heavy Crystal
    A tier: Hull Laser 2, Hull Laser 1, Heavy Pierce 1
    B tier: Burst Laser 1, Burst Laser 3, Heavy Laser 1, Heavy Laser 2
    C tier: Basic Laser
    D tier: ---
    I don't think there's that much discussion to be had on this weapons group. Burst Laser mk.II and Dual Laser are the most energy efficient lasers in the game, and will almost always add something useful to the weapon setup for a very low energy cost. At the same time you can easily build a setup around these things. 3/4x Burst Laser mk.II is an amazing build. There are very, very few situations where these weapons aren't worth getting, and thus they're put in S-tier. The crystal weapons are also flat-out great, even though they can be hit by defense drones, they still offer a lot of the advantages of lasers combined with shield piercing.
    Hull Laser mk.I and II are also relatively energy efficient and very easy to fit into most weapon setups for that reason; in addition the hull damage bonus as well as their increased chance of breaching(which delays system repairs) puts them a notch above the others. Pierce isn't quite as good late game as early, but early game it's flat-out amazing, and it still holds up later. All the B-tier lasers are also really good, they're just not as good as A and S. Basic Lasers are also still usable weapons, but they're usually just something you'll change out or just stack onto a laserspam build since it does so little.


    Weapons: Missiles
    S tier: --
    A tier: Pegasus
    B tier: Artemis
    C tier: Breach, Hermes, Hull
    D tier: Leto
    I really feel that Pegasus and Artemis are the only missiles that are really worth it. Artemis is amazing early game but falls off later when dodge and defense drones might come into play, but the fast recharge speed, low energy cost and relatively high damage makes it a good early game weapon. Pegasus does have a slow loading time and uses 3 energy, but having two missiles per shot mitigates most of the weaknesses of the other missile weapons, making the weapon actually really good. The rest of the missiles are sort of meh because of slow reload speed, even in spite of high damage and shield piercing. The Leto is just a bad weapon overall and usually not worth the missiles you spend on it. If you started with it, you'll probably want to replace it as fast as possible.

    Weapons: Ion
    S tier: Ion Blast 2
    A tier: --
    B tier: Ion Blast 1, Ion Bomb
    C tier: Heavy ion
    D tier: --
    Ion Blast mk.II is the only ion weapon worth using on its own, but by god that weapon is good. It can single-handedly lock down a single system indefinitely and sets up both drones, lasers and beams very efficiently, AND it fires so fast that anyone on the weapons team will level up really fast. All the other ion weapons are kind of worthless on their own, but combined with an IB2 you can now shut down both shields and another system permantently, which is a ridiculously good combination. Even if you don't have another ion weapon, simply shutting down the shields and let the other weapons do the dirty work is a great way to use the IB2.
    As for the non-IB2-ions, IB1 ranking higher than Bomb is because I feel the faster rate of fire makes it more consistent, and Bomb over Heavy is because I feel Bomb brings more to the table. Still, IB2 combined with any of these three(or a second IB2), later combined with either lasers, a good beam or drones, is still a very solid build.

    Weapons: Beam
    S tier: --
    A tier: Halberd Beam, Glaive Beam
    B tier: Mini Beam
    C tier: Fire Beam, Anti Bio Beam, Hull Beam, Pike Beam
    D tier: --
    The only reason why there's no S-tiers here is because all beams require some setting up. In return they're freaking amazing with that set-up. Halberd and Glaive Beam with the proper setup can both end a flagship phase in two good shots. I personally think the Halberd is slightly better because of the lower energy cost and reload time, but the Glaive with its additional shield piercing and huge damage makes it so close that I'd call it personal preference. Combined with enough lasers to take away a shield, or an Ion Blast mk.II, both of these can blow up anything the game throws at you.
    The rest of the beams aren't really notable. The mini beam is extremely easy to fit into a setup because of the low reload time and energy cost, but it's not a very strong weapon and will probably phase out later in the game. The Fire Beam is really fun with Rock boarders, Anti-Bio can kill crew with some setup and gives blue events against Giant Alien Spiders, but they're not useful against the Flagship. Hull Beam and Pike Beam can do some damage, but while they're not useless, they're nowhere close to the sheer destruction the Glaive and the Halberd put out, and are usually not worth your time in my honest opinion.

    Weapons: Bombs
    S tier: --
    A tier: --
    B tier: Ion Bomb
    C tier: Fire Bomb, Breach Bomb 1, S. Bomb, Heal Bomb
    D tier: Breach Bomb 2
    Bombs aren't very useful overall, honestly. Ion Bomb can be extremely useful paired with an Ion Blast mk.II, and does do 4 ion damage even outside ion builds, so while it's situational, it does have its uses, and is therefore ranked highest. Fire Bombs are useful with Rock boarders. Breach Bombs and Small Bombs are okay early game at taking out shields or other systems, and the Heal bomb is okay when boarding people. All of them are extremely situational, and none even damage hull, so you'll probably start with them and then replace them. Me putting the Breach mk.II at the absolute bottom is just because of the extra energy cost and horrible reload time compared to the other bombs. Most of the other ones aren't very good either though, but Breach mk.II is complete ass in my opinion.

    Augments: Generic
    S tier: Long Ranged Scanners, Scrap Recovery Arm, Automated Re-loader
    A tier: Weapon pre-igniter
    B tier: Drone Recovery Arm, Stealth Weapons, Shield Recharge Booster
    C tier: Reverse Ion Field, FTL Recharge booster, FTL Jammer
    D tier: Advanced FTL Navigation, Repair Arm
    There might be one question here worth asking: "how the hell is the pre-igniter not S-tier?!" Well, for two reasons: it's expensive as hell, and there's at least one powerful build(Ion builds) it doesn't synergize too well with. Otherwise it's one amazing piece of augmentation.
    The rest shouldn't be too debatable. The Scrap Arm is one of the best early game investments in the game. The scanner gives a lot of blue options, gives very good control over your jumping route, and makes it possible to navigate nebula sectors relatively safely, netting you almost as much scrap as the scrap arm and more flexibility. The Re-loader is a very cheap augment that works well with absolutely every build in the game, and I always get one if I can. Drone Arms are kind of meh, unless it's a drone heavy build, in which case it can make or break the build by giving an infinite drone supply. Stealth Weapons and shield recharge boosters are moderately useful. The C-tier upgrades are better than nothing and can occasionally be useful, but otherwise they're not very noteworthy.
    The repair arm is just horrible, and in my opinion the worst piece of equipment in the game. It isn't worth its cost, and it's usually better to just sell the piece of shit if you get it randomly and use that scrap for repairs. The advanced FTL navigation doesn't do anything useful either: it's only useful if you've jumped yourself into a corner, in which case you're probably dead anyways, and jumping back probably just jumps into another three rounds of rebel ships. I can't think of one situation where it's been useful for me.

    Augments: Ship-specific
    S tier: Zoltan Shield, Rock Plating
    A tier: Titanium System Casing, Engi Med Bot Dispersal
    B tier: Mantis Pheromones, Slug Repair Gel
    C tier: Crystal Vengeance
    D tier: Drone Reactor Booster
    The Zoltan Shield and Rock Plating will both save you for a lot of scrap throughout the game. The former is one of the two reasons why the zoltan ships aren't complete shit, and the latter doesn't need further explaining(I mean come on, you get blue events that lets you ram mantis ships!). Titanium Casing can be extremely useful in a pinch and save you for repair time, Engi Med Bot Dispersal is overall great to have and makes the engi ship in question much easier to use. Mantis Pheromones are neat(especially with Rock crewmembers), Slug Repair Gel can be really nice to have when you get a breach. Crystal Vengeance requires you to be hit, doesn't do that much damage, and rarely goes off even when you get hit, so it's kind of meh. The drone reactor booster only helps on-ship drones marginally, and the on-ship drones in question are kind of shit anyways.

    Drones
    S tier: Defense Drone 1
    A tier: Anti-Ship Drone 1
    B tier: --
    C tier: Beam Drone, Boarding Drone, Defense Drone 2, Anti-ship 2, Hull Repair Drone
    D tier: System Repair Drone, Anti-Personell Drone
    Defense 1 makes you almost immune to missiles, solving any problems you might have on that department and probably saving you a lot of scrap you'd otherwise have to spend on repairs. On top of that, it's useful for shooting down boarding drones from the second flagship phase. It's freaking amazing, and often worth the investment into drone control by itself. Anti-ship 1 is amazing with ion builds and supports laserspam-builds pretty nicely since it'll keep shields from recharging after a volley, and possibly do some damage itself. Both of these drones takes 2 power and costs only 50 scrap, making them easy to fit into almost any build. The only drawback are the fact that you may have to buy a new system to be able to use them.

    Beam drones and boarding drones are very situational: beam drones are amazing with ion+dronespam builds, but completely worthless otherwise. Boarding drones are a good addition if your only offensive option is boarding: incidentally this is the situation with the Basilisk ship, a ship it's included in from the start. For most other ships they're kind of bad. Hull Repair isn't worth buying, but it can save you for some scrap if you have spare drone parts and you get it through a drop. Then it's anti-ship 2 and defense 2. Neither of these can justify the higher cost and power usage over the mk.I models, and defense 2 is actually worse at its job than defense 1 in my opinion, simply because you risk it shooting down lasers instead of missiles if the drone AI decides the lasers are more important.

    System repair and Anti-Personell are fairly useless, in my opinion. They just don't do anything I can't do by simply getting more crew, which would again save me the energy and drones I spend on these things, as well as allowing me to level those crew up and actually control what the fuck the crew members do at any given time. To illustrate the point: the one ship they're included in from the start is, in my opinion, the worst ship in the game, because you need to spend drones, energy and drone slots on doing something regular crew does for you by default. Just stay away from them, they're not worth it.

    tldr: lasers are great, defense drone is the GOAT, Ion Blast 2 is retarded good, bombs and on-ship drones suck.
  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    More lists due to boredom. This time, it's a doctrine tier list for Company of Heroes, focused on 1v1. I'm mostly concerned with the average impact of the abilities of the support doctrine here, rather than the overall power of the factions (though my opinion of the last patch is Wehr >= US >= PE >> Brits).

    Top tier: Infantry Co. (US), Defensive (WM), Terror (WM)
    High-mid: Airborne Co. (US), Luftwaffe (PE)
    Low-mid: Blitzkrieg (WM), Royal Air Force (BR), Tank Destroyer (PE), Scorched Earth (PE), Armored Co. (US)
    Bottom: Royal Engineers (BR), Canadian Artillery (BR)

    Explanation:
    The good old matchup of US Inf vs WM Def is well known for a reason. Defensive doctrine gives Wehrmacht time to settle down, stabilize, and tech towards their upgrades which allows them a powerful mid-lategame. Bunker reinforcements and For The Fatherland are extremely useful bonuses that come in very early, and allow stable midgame transitions. It's not great for lategame, but Wehrmacht generally has that covered already.

    Infantry Co. allow basic Riflemen to build field improvements (most notably, they can now lay mines), but also gives access to off-map artillery strikes, which is one of the best ways to deal with stationary positions. Rangers are also quite good though expensive to maintain (in particular, they're excellent against lightly armored vehicles), and Off-Map Combat Group always gives you more Manpower back than you invest, though the random unit distribution kind of hurts.

    Terror isn't as good as Defensive for holding positions early, but is better suited for mobile combat and gives better late-game bonuses in Zeal, Propaganda War and of course the mighty King Tiger.

    Airborne thankfully got Strafing Run nerfed in the last patch, but it's still very powerful. Paratroopers are great infantry-based AA against everything except armored cars, and Recon Run gives you sniper dominance. Resource Drop is nice, but not a big deal.

    Luftwaffe gives PE some very nice anti-infantry units, and more defensive options against both US Airborne and British Air Force, both otherwise very useful doctrines against PE. The faction doesn't rely on its doctrinal units, but this is the most flexible one of them by far.

    Royal Air Force struggles by the fact that the doctrinal abilities are largely redundant, but it's still the best British doctrine by far and gives some nice options for fast, on-field reinforcement and surprise Commando drops.

    Blitzkrieg also struggles with redundancy: it has a lot of powerful abilities, but the other doctrines or non-doctrinal units already cover those bases. The Tiger is likely the best all-round tank in the game and can do a lot of work, but it comes in late and is incredibly expensive.

    Tank Destroyer, Armored Co and Royal Engineers all struggle with the same issue: they're based on tank warfare, but the metagame is based on mobile infantry warfare. All three doctrines give access to some powerful vehicle powerups and call-ins, but they don't suit the metagame very well. It's kind of ironic that the best reason to pick US Armor is for the Calliope, an artillery unit. Engineers are significantly worse than TD and Armor though.

    Scorched Earth is fun, but gimmicky. It buys you time, and sabotaging strategic points or zoning with sector artillery can be useful, but it's not likely to turn games against an aware opponent since almost all of these things can easily be avoided on reaction. One notable exception is booby trapped buildings, however, and this can turn battles. It's still a long shot, however.

    Canadian Artillery is likely the worst 1v1 doctrine in the game, which is funny as it's probably the most powerful multiplayer doctrine. Artillery is extremely powerful in 2v2/3v3/4v4, since the fighting is more static and you have teammates to protect you. 1v1 is much more mobile, however, and the units are so slow and expensive that you likely won't get your investments back.
  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    edited May 2017
    aaaaaand more lists. Because triple posts with several months in between them yay

    Darkest Dungeon class tier list:
    S-tier: Vestal, Man-At-Arms, Hellion, Houndmaster, Bounty Hunter
    A-tier: Plague Doctor, Occultist, Grave Robber
    B-tier: Jester, Abomination, Crusader, Highwayman
    C-tier: Arbalest
    D-tier: Leper, Antiquarian

    Explanations:
    S-tier:

    Vestal:

    Best healer in the game by a LARGE margin. Basic heal is amazing, but group heal is just insane, especially since it lets her heal effectively from position 2, making her remarkably shuffle-resistant. Also equipped with an okay nuke with a self-heal attached to it, an okay stun and some other stuff. You literally can't go wrong with this class, and I'm almost tempted to put her in a tier of her own.

    Houndmaster:
    Swiss army knife with an adorable canine attached. Utility for days in form of stuns, bleeds, prot reduction for bosses and self-heals, along with a fucking group stress heal (which is somewhat inconsistent, but who the fuck cares, it's a group stress heal). Plays well in every position aside from pos 1. Has the best set of camping skills in the game, and access to good trinkets. Can set up dodge-tanking which turns every fight into a grouper fight (you can stall and stress-heal idefinitely). Mediocre base damage (mitigated with doggy treats and bleeds, and is higher against beasts which is great late game), and doggy treats take up inventory slots early, but that's really not a huge deal when the class does so much.

    Hellion:
    Double frontline stun is completely insane against anything that isn't size 2. The debuff it applies to the hellion is whatever since it can be removed with herbs, and because you just stunned two characters ffs. She hits incredibly hard as well, and is one of the few frontline classes that can hit position 3 and 4 and do very good damage from that (Iron Swan tends to oneshot position 4 enemies). She has good camping skills as well. Her only real drawback is that she needs to be in position 1, but her strengths more than make up for that. Great fucking class.

    Man-At-Arms:
    Bulky support-tank. Can hit positions 1-3, and is equipped with a bunch of useful skills to keep fights under control, and can take a lot of hits himself. Bellow is probably the most underrated skill in the game. Amazing camping buffs for combat. Also has 2 movement points, which is really helpful if he gets shuffled. Below average damage, and doesn't work amazingly with Hellion (since Hellion needs position 1, and the MAA-stun moves him forward), but otherwise easily one of the best classes in the game.

    Bounty Hunter:
    This is what you get when you take the Hellion, remove the double stun and ability to hit position 4, and let him function from other positions than 1 and lets him screw up enemy positioning. He deals HUGE fucking damage, has great stuns and reasonably high health. Can set up Mark and reduce protection bonuses too, which is great against certain bosses. Hellion is better when things go well and you don't get shuffled, but BH is still a very powerful damage dealer even from position 3, which means he's a lot better at salvaging bad situations.



    A-tier:

    Plague Doctor:

    Double backrank stun is amazing, especially since PD has very high speed. Stack stun chance on this girl and you can literally have her eat two rounds of backrank actions. On top of that, having the ability to remove DoTs from up to two targets at the same time is great, especially since there's a small heal on top of it. Stacking blight on certain bosses is useful. Disease cure camping skills are boss. She has really bad damage output later in the game (aside from on enemies with multiple actions), but does a lot of useful things for the party. And it really needs to be said that Blinding Gas is completely bonkers.

    Occultist:
    High crit rate helps on stress and allow you to randomly finish fights early, which is great when he does decent damage already, especially against Eldritch enemies. His debuffs helps on huge targets and bosses. He also has the (on average) second best heal in the game, but it's woefully inconsistent and heal for zero+bleed gotten my characters killed before. He has bad camping skills, and is annoyingly squishy on low light. Very powerful class, but very swingy. Darkest Dungeon is all about consistency, and his lack thereof does hurt him a lot.


    Grave Robber:
    Versatile damage dealer that works in a lot of positions, can effectively hit all positions, does fairly good damage, has a stun, can move around with shadow fade/advance if shuffled, and is equipped with a good toolset of camping skills (Pilfer is really noteworthy since it only costs 1 time point). Squishy, and though she's very easy to fit into a composition, nothing about her screams "broken". Still, she's a fairly safe pick as long as you can keep her alive.



    B-tier:

    Jester

    Has a grand total of two great skills: Finale -- which lets him oneshot most small enemies if you stack damage items -- and Inspiring Tune, the by far best stress-heal in the game. He's squishy as hell and doesn't do much outside of those two things, but removing one enemy and stress healing for the rest of the fight isn't terrible in a lot of cases. If you have a dodge-tank stalling composition using a houndmaster you can also really abuse the jester. The rest of his skills can be used, but you're not picking him for them. Kind of a one-trick pony and requires specific lineups to really shine, but is very much a playable class. He's just not a no-brainer include in a party.

    Crusader:
    Tankiest class in the game. Good damage (particularly against unholy), okay mobility with Holy Lance prevents him from being screwed on shuffle. His main draw, however, is his utility from his (mediocre) stun and a stress heal. Terrible speed and bad ability to hit rank 3/4 is a bummer, though. Still, if you have someone to provide backrank-damage, a crusader can do work. Does a lot of useful things for a party, but he's ultimately outclassed in a lot of situations. Not hitting backranks is a huge drawback.

    Highwayman:
    Somewhat comparable to the Grave Robber in that he moves around quite a lot and can play from multiple positions, is squishy and does a lot of damage. He has great melee skills (his ranged-skills are mostly poop), and his riposte can do a lot of work in situations where AoE is a thing. He still doesn't want to get hit, however (bad for a riposte-class), and you can't just slam him into any lineup and expect him to do work, since he's dependent on moving around to get his damage. Also lacking in utility, which further limits his group options. However, solve those specific issues and this guy does hit incredibly hard.

    Abomination:
    Huge toolbox (6 skills omg) with every tool a frontline class could want, including one of the best stuns in the game and the ability to do huge damage. Sadly, the built-in drawbacks of the class (can't team with religious classes, notably Vestals, inflicts stress on teammates) are very serious. As with the other B-tier classes, you need specific lineups to make him work, and even though he's powerful when you get there, he still doesn't truly stand out. Shame, because the class is quite cool.


    C-tier:

    Arbalest
    Good damage, has a decent off-heal, and more damage. Snipes shit like no tomorrow and has some utility. Flare is an unique and useful effect. Obviously this class works well with other classes with marking abilities. Camping skills are good too. Her speed is terrible however, so she won't be preventing actions from anyone which is a huge deal. She also gets fucked over by Move/Shuffle, even though Blindfire does a decent job at covering that weakness. Her biggest downfall is that she competes for slot 3/4 with several other classes (usually a tight fight since Vestal takes up one of those spots most of the time), and though Arbalests aren't useless at their job, they really don't stand out in any way either. Several classes bring so much better utility while also doing while being more stable and doing comparable damage.


    D-tier:

    Leper:
    The Timmy-class. Highest damage in the game on individual hits, lots of health and a self heal. Literally a juggernaut. Problem is, he's slow, has no movement skills, he can't hit position 3 and 4, and aside from damage and health he has zero utility. If you want a slow, tanky class that can't hit backrank, you'll rather run a crusader instead since that class has great utility and is even tankier. Leper's fun when he hits for big numbers, but he's ultimately not a good class.

    Antiquarian:
    The gimmick behind this class (more money and special drops) is really cool. However, it doesn't really help that much after the Stygian-patch, where gold gain got buffed massively, leading to the nerf of the already by far worst class in the game. She does no damage, her protection buffs are passable at best (+dodge is really bad at low light), and her self-heal is meh. Complete liability on higher level dungeons, and not even useful in the lower level ones. Do not use.

    Someone fight me on this, provided someone actually finds this thread now that it's buried this far down in the forum =V
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  • RockforgeRockforge Joined: Posts: 9
    edited April 2017
    B rap boys
    Top tier: top,Pan
    Garbage: Pea

    Top Has the best normal moveset in the allso has good range with the stick and His back attack with the stick is great for starting combos becuse it has extra range

    Pan has a decent normal moveset but he has the most range of the 3 with the stick so he can just outrange most of the enemys with proper play

    Pea Has no range at all Its luaghable Even when he gets the stick he does tiny little nudges so he gets thrown out of or punchd out of alot of things

    This game is all about keeping the damn stick so you dont die the bat is a decent alternative if you happen to drop the stick but you really need the stick if you drop them they disappear after a certain number of knockdowns and the enemys can pick them up too Try to never let them go off screen if you need one at the time



    for refrance Top is player 1 Pan player 3 and pea player 2


    Weapon tiers
    God: Stick
    High: Bat


    stick has range so its automaticly the best thing in the game(unless your pea)

    the bat is like the stick with less range

    didnt tier the mechsuit since you only use it at the very end of the first level but it seems pan might have an inf with it

    bike/skateboard are hard to tier since theres times you want them and times you dont Bike is definetly better but swap it out for a stick when you can
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  • pizzacat83pizzacat83 Joined: Posts: 192 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    Persona 5 party member tiers

    S-Tier
    * Makoto - She is the best character in the game by far, excluding Akira (Protagonist). She has the best defensive buffs and has Mediarahan, which is really all the healing magic you need at the endgame. Makoto puts out respectable Nuclear damage and her ultimate gun gives her +10 to all of her stats. Makoto is your most versatile character and can do anything well, except Physical/Gun damage and crit.


    A-Tier
    * Ryuji - Ryuji is arguably the best single target damage dealer in the game (excluding Akira) thanks to Charge and God Hand. Ryuji has Matarukaja, which is one of, if not THE best party buffs in the game. He is also your most durable party member and you get him early enough that maxing out his Confidant is a breeze.

    * Ann - Ann is your best nuker by far once she learns Concentrate. She sucks for exploring dungeons since she relies totally on her Fire skills, which would eat through her SP reserves quickly. She's also useless against Fire resisting enemies. Ann at least has some of the more useful debuffs in the game. If only the game didn't troll you by giving Goro Debilitate.

    * Haru - She is great for exploring dungeons and is going to put out insane damage against anything that can be critted thanks to One-Shot Kill. She learns a lot of good skills, which becomes a problem later on since you have to choose whether to build her up as an attacker or support character. One other problem is that she joins very late into the game, so you don't have a lot of time to cultivate her Confidant before the endgame. If the player focuses on her Gun skills, she's A-Tier, but Haru drops to B-Tier if they player focuses on her Psychokinesis skills since Haru does way more damage with Gun skills than Psychokinesis.


    C-Tier (Yes, these guys are outclassed endgame)
    * Morgana - Morgana is to this game what Sazh is to FF13, insofar as being the best character early on, but getting sorely outclassed later. He and Makoto are your primary healers, but Makoto brings better buffs than Morgana, is more durable, and her final gun giving her +10 to all stats seals the deal. All Morgana can really do well is heal and has the lowest damage output late game due to having to settle for a the -dyne Garu spells. Morgana's Confidant being based on story progression also hurts him since it isn't maxed out until the final playable day in the game.

    * Yusuke - Worst character endgame. Once Ryuji gets Swift Strike, Yusuke's utility as one of your primary physical attackers begins wanes a bit, and he becomes totally obsolete once Ryuji learns Charge. Yusuke is admittedly more reliable for damage than Ryuji early on, but he's way too dependent on Baton Pass late game to be worth using over Ryuji.


    I excluded Akira (Protagonist) and Goro. Akira is obviously going to be better than the rest of the party and Goro isn't a permanent party member.
    In general, the best party is Akira/Makoto/Ryuji/Ann (boss) or Haru (exploration), although this isn't as big a deal if you max out Hifumi's Confidant.
  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    I haven't played NG+ yet, so I assume your list requires NG+ and that it changes party dynamics a lot, because I think Yusuke might be the straight-up best exploration character (Joker and Crow aside, obviously) until you get SP adhesives, and I still used him afterwards. I also thought Morgana was fairly lackluster early game as well as late, honestly.

    I definitely agree with Makoto and Ryuji though. They're useful throughout the entire game and both have skillsets that gives them a lot of sustainability.
  • pizzacat83pizzacat83 Joined: Posts: 192 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited May 2017
    Naeras wrote: »
    I haven't played NG+ yet, so I assume your list requires NG+ and that it changes party dynamics a lot, because I think Yusuke might be the straight-up best exploration character (Joker and Crow aside, obviously) until you get SP adhesives, and I still used him afterwards. I also thought Morgana was fairly lackluster early game as well as late, honestly.

    I definitely agree with Makoto and Ryuji though. They're useful throughout the entire game and both have skillsets that gives them a lot of sustainability.

    I hope it didn't sound like I was saying any character was useless. They all can pull their own weight, it's just that Yusuke is outclassed by Ryuji and Morgana outclassed by Makoto. I was mostly basing my opinion on Hard Mode and NG+. Ann requires a bit of protection since she's squishy, but her damage output and debuffs make up for it, plus she can single-target heal if need be. Morgana is just too frail w/o AGI buffs for dodge tanking, plus not maxing out Confidant until the last day of the game (Elec eats him alive).

    Yusuke is a good exploration character like Ryuji, but Yusuke crits more often than Ryuji, which can come in handy. The problem is that Yusuke gets outclassed by Ryuji about midgame, whereas Makoto doesn't completely outclass Morgana until she gets her ultimate gun. Morgana has a higher MAG growth than Makoto, but he's the squishiest character and Makoto gets Mediarahan. Morgana is technically the best healer, but Salvation is too situational.

    Morgana is very useful early in the game because Makoto is awful when she joins, making Morgana your only functional healer besides Akira, which you should only have him do in an emergency. Morgana can also also get a lot of cheesed crits with Miracle Punch early-mid game.
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  • BiousBious Seasons Greetings Joined: Posts: 12,118
    edited June 2017
    @pizzacat83 Yusuke is better than Morgana endgame just by having Masukukaja (assuming Makoto didn't die and got emergency shifted). Ryuji belongs in S alongside Makoto.

    Other than those nitpicks that list is probably what I would have done.
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  • NaerasNaeras Terribad Joined: Posts: 3,616
    edited August 2017
    Darkest Dungeon tier list for the Crimson Court-DLC:

    S-tier: Vestal, Houndmaster, Hellion
    A-tier: Occultist, Man-at-Arms, Bounty Hunter, Flagellant, Highwayman
    B-tier: Jester, Plague Doctor, Abomination
    C-tier: Crusader, Grave Robber, Arbalest
    D-tier: Antiquarian, Leper
    The big three are still the best classes, as they didn't even get nerfed.
    MAA and BH are still great, I only downgraded them because I think the S-tier classes are clearly better. BH got buffed a bit, too, caltrops is a pretty useful ability.

    Occultists are amazing after their heal got buffed, and are something like A+/S- rather than just A-tier. Main healing from any position makes them super-easy to put in, and you can let them double as stunners and damage dealers. The only reason they're not clear-cut top tier is that they're still squishy and still somewhat inconsistent as a solo healer.

    Highwaymen are good now, and one of the best pure damage dealers. They also wreck fights where riposte is useful. You need to build a party that can tolerate the highwayman moving around, though.

    Flagellants are great as long as you're not in the ruins. Super-consistent and has shitloads of utility, along with decent bleed damage. Needs bleeds for damage though.

    Bloodsucker enemies in all dungeons were a huge nerf to Plague Doctors since the generic ones are incredibly resistant to both blight and stuns, the two things main things PDs are good at. They're borderline unplayable until you beat the Baron, and thankfully okay afterwards, though they're so useless against generic bloodsuckers that even in those cases I'm wary of bringing them now.

    Aboms got indirectly buffed by occultists getting buffed. Doesn't bring them up very much, but it's worth noting if you like using them.

    Jesters got nerfed pretty bad since Finale's a lot worse now, but they're still very playable. Oneshot position 3 -> stress heal a bunch is still good enough to bring to most dungeons.

    My opinions of crusaders get worse and worse the more I play with them. They're literally a meat shield with a stress heal attached in 90% of the cases. I still use them since high health and a stress heal is still valuable, so they're more like a C+-tier class, but the two other full-time stress healers bring more to the table overall.

    Grave Robbers are currently worse and squishier Highwaymen, outside of maybe the 8-pounder fight. Bad class.

    Lepers and Antiquarians are still shitty.
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    Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars tiers

    1. Mario has the highest potential damage output in the game against bosses with Super Jump, as well as exclusive access to the Attack Scarf which gives him the highest average output as well. In a game where defense is very easy, offense is everything, and Mario is great at it.
    2. Toadstool has the highest magic, and since you can glitch her into learning Shocker and Geno Blast, she's capable of doing insane damage against entire parties. Therapy and Group Hug are all right in a pinch.
    3. Geno is a fantastic character just based on Geno Boost, but his high attack and good weapons give him more to do. Geno Beam is really good when you get him, but it wears out quick. Geno Whirl instantly kills Exor, and Exor is annoying as shit otherwise.
    4. Bowser has high physical attack and you can occasionally get some use out of Terrorize.
    5. Mallow wears out his welcome the very instant you can remove him from your party. Thunderbolt is all right, I guess.
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