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  • nohoho~nnohoho~n Joined: Posts: 3
    I posted some pictures and notes from first event of trip:
    http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/

    Team USA theme song:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ws__HZ9XXaU
  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    ^^ Hi N Nh2

    Team USA is very lucky to have you as a guide.
    So are all ST fans. Love the coverage.

    Did you guys get to play in East vs West?

    Thanks
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
    OhNuki: Real men play ST!!
    James Chen: there is something special about playing ST on a cab. It just feels so goooooood.
    Super Turbo Hitbox & safe jump guide http://www.strevival.com/hitbox/
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    I second papasi's words. I'm already forwarding the blog's link to all ST fans around here.
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    Good stuff, Nohoho!
    Shhh... ST in da house!

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  • papasipapasi N Ken is the truth Joined: Posts: 1,568
    what on earth is happening here

    http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/2011/09/royal-thursday-and-versus-videos.html

    Shirts (O.Dhalsim) vs. YuuVega (Dictator)

    ^^ this guy dodged all wc tourneys and he's now playing in japan?

    and I saw NH2 blanka vs KUROPPI's light blue ryu?

    playing ST tues/weds/thurs/fri at different spots with top players + SBO on the weekend?

    if I know so many people are going I might consider taking PTO for a vacation trip to japan

    damn you all. wtf!

    gamespot versus video:

    nh2 blanka is such a beast

    the japanese said in the video comment - "Master of electricity"

    when damdai is playing
    "2nd place of this year's EVO"
    "creator of supercade"

    it is so cool to see my ggpo friend rizone on these versus video. good stuff!
    eltrouble "I doubt that ST will be on the main stream ever again."
    OhNuki: Real men play ST!!
    James Chen: there is something special about playing ST on a cab. It just feels so goooooood.
    Super Turbo Hitbox & safe jump guide http://www.strevival.com/hitbox/
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    That great shit, man! Three amazing updates in three days, they deserve the shirt I am going to buy. I couldn't even watch the videos, so far!
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    These updates are very cool, agreed. nohoho's blanka did very well.
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • KuroppiKuroppi くろっぴ Joined: Posts: 891
    what on earth is happening here

    http://curryallergy.blogspot.com/2011/09/royal-thursday-and-versus-videos.html

    Shirts (O.Dhalsim) vs. YuuVega (Dictator)

    ^^ this guy dodged all wc tourneys and he's now playing in japan?

    and I saw NH2 blanka vs KUROPPI's light blue ryu?

    Haha, that's not me. I would have won. ;)

    Love watching Nohoho's Blanka though. Good stuff!

    Maybe Shirts is training for SoCal Regionals. :)
    Shhh... ST in da house!

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  • blitzfublitzfu Cosmic Power Joined: Posts: 3,072
    Wow, NH2 blowing up japanese players. He needs to be on team USA!

    Props to dammu-dai for taking Hawk to a new level of excellence. Good luck team USA, I'll be rooting for ya.
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Props to dammu-dai for taking Hawk to a new level of excellence. Good luck team USA, I'll be rooting for ya.

    I didn't see Damdai's hawk win a single match on those video's that NH2 posted though... No doubt he's good, but remember that neither him nor John Rambo won a match in SBO last year. The Japanese are just on another level.
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    I didn't see Damdai's hawk win a single match on those video's that NH2 posted though... No doubt he's good, but remember that neither him nor John Rambo won a match in SBO last year. The Japanese are just on another level.
    They lost to a guy who would later beat Opemai, MAO and ARG, back to back. Twice.
  • geogeo Official Contrarian Joined: Posts: 1,291
    Yeah, I was saying it more in terms of "guy can't catch a break, he always seems to lose recorded matches." Plus the fact that the Japanese are much better than US players.

    Edit: I watched the latest vid that NH2 posted, and Damdai lost his match there too.

    Edit: So if I'm understanding the SBO results, Damdai did not win a match there either...
    Just one example of ST fundamentalism on dontblowthis.com: "HDR is just another game with no relation to the Street Fighter II series" - riz0ne
  • JehoediJehoedi making ALL KINDS of gains Joined: Posts: 257
    Anyone on here that wants to spar with a complete and utter scrub on GGPO? I live in the Netherlands +1 GMT (it's located in Europe for those who aren't familiar with the name). Perhaps that will give you an indication of what the lag will be like. I'm not exactly sure of what times I'll be on, but if you want to play me just send me a PM and we can arrange something. You can find me under the name Hieronymus.
  • GraphfGraphf Amat Victoria Curam Joined: Posts: 1,206
    Anyone got an update on when/if super turbo saturdays is coming back?
    Monster Hunter
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Merry christmas to all ST folks, and screw hit-confirm combo fighters!
  • BoggleMindsBoggleMinds Joined: Posts: 335
    Alright, so it's that time of the year again for a Japan ST travel log (see last year's here and here). I'm currently in Japan again and thought it would be cool to participate in the Nagata Shogatsu tournament on Dec 31st. Mini-log follows -- apologies in advance but I actually don't remember the details of the tourney (like who won, lol) because I was too busy talking to VIPER the whole time. More on that later.

    So I got to Mikado pretty early around 5:30pm for some casuals, but it was pretty dead. There was a Zangief player there whose face seemed oddly familiar, he used black color Zangief. For some reason I thought he was Gunze even though I know Gunze uses a different color 'Gief. Turns out he was "TMF" (aka ToMoF) a dude who I've played on GGPO before, although I didn't realise it was him at the time.

    It continued being pretty dead for a while, but instead of heading to HEY Akihabara as I'd planned earlier I instead played some retro games (which Mikado is known for) to kill some time. By now it was around 8 or 9pm and more people were starting to trickle in. I noticed Mattsun at one point testing the microphone, so it looked like the tourney was about to start.

    It was going to be another random 2v2 tournament (as is the tradition for the N.Shogatsu tourney at Mikado). Although this time there was an added stage before the actual tourney where the team members would play each other to determine 1P or 2P side (?). I was kind of confused about that but went with the flow. There were around 32 players roughly, but I'll only list the names that I remember.

    List of players present (missing some):
    • Ryu: Kurocchi, Shiro, Kurahashi, Shin
    • O.Ryu: Mayumura
    • Ken: Hamaki, Mattsun, Tonegawa
    • Guile: Tsunoppi, Yoshio
    • Chun Li: Fujinuma
    • O.Chun: Jenety
    • Zangief: Cellotape, TMF, Pony
    • Honda: Abebin
    • O.Honda: N.Shogatsu
    • Cammy: Nakamura
    • T.Hawk: VIPER
    • Dhalsim: KKY
    • Boxer: Gizzle (me), and this other guy whose name I forgot
    • Claw: Kachu (?) <-- at one point I asked this guy if he was "Kachu". He denied it saying that Kachu is from Kansai (i.e. not Tokyo/Kanto), and although they use the same green Claw, he's a different person. But playing this guy and comparing to vids of Kachu, I could have sworn it was the same guy...
    There were also quite a few notable names that didn't show up, like Hakase for instance. I was looking forward to seeing Kawamata Ryu again (from last year's tourney) but he along with Sashishi also didn't make it.

    Everyone then drew lots and I got randomly teamed up with VIPER (!). I introduced myself and said that I had no preference for either 1P or 2P; VIPER said he preferred 1P. So we then waited a bit for our turn, then played a match against each other where I lost quite quickly. VIPER showed how he is one of the best Hawks for his sense of when to DP in the matchup against Boxer, which is basically what that matchup revolves around.

    After a while our first match came which was against the team of Shin and TMF. Shin was using Ryu instead of Hawk for this tourney, and I felt pretty confident about his playstyle, so I went first. I won the match against Shin and then faced TMF (who I'd played tons of casuals earlier against) and won again. VIPER was sitting next to me and whenever I landed some big chunk of damage he'd shout encouragement -- "eh, hai, ey!" etc (I'm sure everyone has heard this kind of thing in tourney vids).

    Some time later it was time for our second match, against the team of KKY (and someone else who I can't remember lol). As usual I go first, where I lost quite easily to KKY. Although I've practiced and done well against good Dhalsims such as HYDLIDE on GGPO, KKY executes everything to a slightly higher level and I couldn't do much during the match. Given the fact that KKY has practised against the likes of Shiki Bison, I would've been surprised if I'd won that match. So I step down and VIPER takes the seat, but our hopes are pretty slim given that it's Hawk vs. Sim. Sadly, he also loses to KKY quite convincingly and we're out of the tourney.

    At this point VIPER returns to a far corner of the crowd and I go up to talk to him. I wish we'd moved closer as I couldn't follow what was happening in the tourney from that far away.

    So I basically reintroduce myself as a foreigner (important because I don't speak Japanese to a native level), and I also apologised for us losing in the tourney, to which he reassured me that it was nothing. Following is a summary of what I can remember from our conversation:
    • VIPER has been playing ST for more than ten years. He only started playing T.Hawk after X-Mania 7, when the Hawk duo of Toutanki and K famously typhooned their way to 3rd place (in a 3v3 tourney, no less). He said he's been playing Hawk for around five to six years.
    • I told him that I played ST online, to which he asked if I was referring to HDRemix -- I said no, this was on a PC. At this he asked "GGPO?", to which I said yes.
    • He doesn't play online, although he mentioned that YuuVega apparently is on HDRemix (classic mode) like every day.
    • I told him that he was regarded highly as an expert T.Hawk player overseas and has "overseas fans" (lol)
    • Whilst talking about overseas players, he mentioned talking to Damdai last year about the level of foreign players (?).
    • I asked him how he managed to get that good, especially with his propensity to do standing 720s at least once a match. He replied that in the early stages he referred to internet resources and info to learn Hawk techniques, and then he would at practise at home (on Playstation).
    • I asked him which arcades were the hotspots these days for ST -- he replied "Versus" (i.e. GameSpot Versus), but only on Tuesdays and Sundays. He said he'd be there on Tuesday for the Ryu-Guile battles (?), and I also said I'd make sure to be there too.
    • Since I use the same yellow Boxer as Shiki Bison, he asked me if I modeled my Boxer on Shiki's. I said yes, for sure. Referring to Shiki, he said that he is truly the strongest player ("志木バイソンは間違えない最強です。") I asked him if it was true that Shiki had actually taught Tamashima how to play Boxer -- he said yes, it was true. Up to then I'd thought it was just a random rumor I read on the internet, but if VIPER says it's true then that's pretty amazing. VIPER was basically saying how insane Shiki is for knowing all these weird glitches and techniques -- which is kinda true considering how many new techiques I've seen "pioneered" by Shiki in various vids. He also mentioned that Shiki doesn't really participate in tourneys that much, and if I wanted to see him in action he'd probably be using Guile (that's if he even showed up to Versus, which it seems he hasn't lately).
    • I specifically asked VIPER if he had heard of this guy from Mexico called "djfrijoles", but unfortunately he said no. (LOL).
    • I also asked him what his least favorite/most difficult matchup was, to which he replied "Dhalsim".
    There's probably other stuff I forgot to list but that's most of the relevant stuff. Like I said earlier, I couldn't really follow the tourney closely whilst talking and standing far away from the action, so I don't know who actually won but it might've been KKY's team. In any case, the tourney finished pretty much exactly at midnight. Afterwards, we kept playing casuals. According to VIPER, this would be an all-nighter (final close at 10am). I got in some good sets against Shiro Ryu (4-5) and also VIPER himself, where I initially did mediocre but ended up with a decent streak going. When he lost Shin (pink T.Hawk) would come on and I could immediately see the difference in playstyle between master and disciple. As I played VIPER more I gradually got a better sense of how he plays, so we ended the set pretty even with even a slight edge to me.

    I couldn't stay that long (since I was pretty tired anyway and had to get up early) so I left at 4am. VIPER showed me the door at the back since the front entrance was already closed and gave me directions. I said my thanks and goodbyes and finally headed off.

    Overall it was another successful tourney experience, and I'm glad I went again this year. There's nothing like an ST tourney in Japan to welcome in the New Year.
    "My first visit to an arcade changed my life. It was such a sensational experience. The fact I got to play with total strangers and connect with them through the game enthralled me." --Daigo Umehara

    www.youtube.com/Guoguodi
    GGPO Handle: Gizzle
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    hahaha I owe you one homie ! thnx fer that!
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  • mrdhalsimmrdhalsim Joined: Posts: 378
    Nice write-up. btw I think Viper was being humble- referring to Internet resources etc. when I think he came up with or perfected a lot of elite techniques, and talking to the other top Japanese Hawk players ought to confirm that. I didn't realize how good he can be until Hiroyan said mentioned it esp for some Hawk techniques, and Hiro's blazed past tons of top players himself with Hawk. And yeah when Damdai came for SBO 2011 back in Sept they had a chance to chat and play (again? probably also in 2010).
  • djfrijolesdjfrijoles First ST player to ever moon a live stream baby ! Joined: Posts: 2,054
    Alright, so it's that time of the year again for a Japan ST travel log (see last year's here and here). I'm currently in Japan again and thought it would be cool to participate in the Nagata Shogatsu tournament on Dec 31st. Mini-log follows -- apologies in advance but I actually don't remember the details of the tourney (like who won, lol) because I was too busy talking to VIPER the whole time. More on that later.

    So I got to Mikado pretty early around 5:30pm for some casuals, but it was pretty dead. There was a Zangief player there whose face seemed oddly familiar, he used black color Zangief. For some reason I thought he was Gunze even though I know Gunze uses a different color 'Gief. Turns out he was "TMF" (aka ToMoF) a dude who I've played on GGPO before, although I didn't realise it was him at the time.

    It continued being pretty dead for a while, but instead of heading to HEY Akihabara as I'd planned earlier I instead played some retro games (which Mikado is known for) to kill some time. By now it was around 8 or 9pm and more people were starting to trickle in. I noticed Mattsun at one point testing the microphone, so it looked like the tourney was about to start.

    It was going to be another random 2v2 tournament (as is the tradition for the N.Shogatsu tourney at Mikado). Although this time there was an added stage before the actual tourney where the team members would play each other to determine 1P or 2P side (?). I was kind of confused about that but went with the flow. There were around 32 players roughly, but I'll only list the names that I remember.

    List of players present (missing some):
    • Ryu: Kurocchi, Shiro, Kurahashi, Shin
    • O.Ryu: Mayumura
    • Ken: Hamaki, Mattsun, Tonegawa
    • Guile: Tsunoppi, Yoshio
    • Chun Li: Fujinuma
    • O.Chun: Jenety
    • Zangief: Cellotape, TMF, Pony
    • Honda: Abebin
    • O.Honda: N.Shogatsu
    • Cammy: Nakamura
    • T.Hawk: VIPER
    • Dhalsim: KKY
    • Boxer: Gizzle (me), and this other guy whose name I forgot
    • Claw: Kachu (?) <-- at one point I asked this guy if he was "Kachu". He denied it saying that Kachu is from Kansai (i.e. not Tokyo/Kanto), and although they use the same green Claw, he's a different person. But playing this guy and comparing to vids of Kachu, I could have sworn it was the same guy...
    There were also quite a few notable names that didn't show up, like Hakase for instance. I was looking forward to seeing Kawamata Ryu again (from last year's tourney) but he along with Sashishi also didn't make it.

    Everyone then drew lots and I got randomly teamed up with VIPER (!). I introduced myself and said that I had no preference for either 1P or 2P; VIPER said he preferred 1P. So we then waited a bit for our turn, then played a match against each other where I lost quite quickly. VIPER showed how he is one of the best Hawks for his sense of when to DP in the matchup against Boxer, which is basically what that matchup revolves around.

    After a while our first match came which was against the team of Shin and TMF. Shin was using Ryu instead of Hawk for this tourney, and I felt pretty confident about his playstyle, so I went first. I won the match against Shin and then faced TMF (who I'd played tons of casuals earlier against) and won again. VIPER was sitting next to me and whenever I landed some big chunk of damage he'd shout encouragement -- "eh, hai, ey!" etc (I'm sure everyone has heard this kind of thing in tourney vids).

    Some time later it was time for our second match, against the team of KKY (and someone else who I can't remember lol). As usual I go first, where I lost quite easily to KKY. Although I've practiced and done well against good Dhalsims such as HYDLIDE on GGPO, KKY executes everything to a slightly higher level and I couldn't do much during the match. Given the fact that KKY has practised against the likes of Shiki Bison, I would've been surprised if I'd won that match. So I step down and VIPER takes the seat, but our hopes are pretty slim given that it's Hawk vs. Sim. Sadly, he also loses to KKY quite convincingly and we're out of the tourney.

    At this point VIPER returns to a far corner of the crowd and I go up to talk to him. I wish we'd moved closer as I couldn't follow what was happening in the tourney from that far away.

    So I basically reintroduce myself as a foreigner (important because I don't speak Japanese to a native level), and I also apologised for us losing in the tourney, to which he reassured me that it was nothing. Following is a summary of what I can remember from our conversation:
    • VIPER has been playing ST for more than ten years. He only started playing T.Hawk after X-Mania 7, when the Hawk duo of Toutanki and K famously typhooned their way to 3rd place (in a 3v3 tourney, no less). He said he's been playing Hawk for around five to six years.
    • I told him that I played ST online, to which he asked if I was referring to HDRemix -- I said no, this was on a PC. At this he asked "GGPO?", to which I said yes.
    • He doesn't play online, although he mentioned that YuuVega apparently is on HDRemix (classic mode) like every day.
    • I told him that he was regarded highly as an expert T.Hawk player overseas and has "overseas fans" (lol)
    • Whilst talking about overseas players, he mentioned talking to Damdai last year about the level of foreign players (?).
    • I asked him how he managed to get that good, especially with his propensity to do standing 720s at least once a match. He replied that in the early stages he referred to internet resources and info to learn Hawk techniques, and then he would at practise at home (on Playstation).
    • I asked him which arcades were the hotspots these days for ST -- he replied "Versus" (i.e. GameSpot Versus), but only on Tuesdays and Sundays. He said he'd be there on Tuesday for the Ryu-Guile battles (?), and I also said I'd make sure to be there too.
    • Since I use the same yellow Boxer as Shiki Bison, he asked me if I modeled my Boxer on Shiki's. I said yes, for sure. Referring to Shiki, he said that he is truly the strongest player ("志木バイソンは間違えない最強です。") I asked him if it was true that Shiki had actually taught Tamashima how to play Boxer -- he said yes, it was true. Up to then I'd thought it was just a random rumor I read on the internet, but if VIPER says it's true then that's pretty amazing. VIPER was basically saying how insane Shiki is for knowing all these weird glitches and techniques -- which is kinda true considering how many new techiques I've seen "pioneered" by Shiki in various vids. He also mentioned that Shiki doesn't really participate in tourneys that much, and if I wanted to see him in action he'd probably be using Guile (that's if he even showed up to Versus, which it seems he hasn't lately).
    • I specifically asked VIPER if he had heard of this guy from Mexico called "djfrijoles", but unfortunately he said no. (LOL).
    • I also asked him what his least favorite/most difficult matchup was, to which he replied "Dhalsim".
    There's probably other stuff I forgot to list but that's most of the relevant stuff. Like I said earlier, I couldn't really follow the tourney closely whilst talking and standing far away from the action, so I don't know who actually won but it might've been KKY's team. In any case, the tourney finished pretty much exactly at midnight. Afterwards, we kept playing casuals. According to VIPER, this would be an all-nighter (final close at 10am). I got in some good sets against Shiro Ryu (4-5) and also VIPER himself, where I initially did mediocre but ended up with a decent streak going. When he lost Shin (pink T.Hawk) would come on and I could immediately see the difference in playstyle between master and disciple. As I played VIPER more I gradually got a better sense of how he plays, so we ended the set pretty even with even a slight edge to me.

    I couldn't stay that long (since I was pretty tired anyway and had to get up early) so I left at 4am. VIPER showed me the door at the back since the front entrance was already closed and gave me directions. I said my thanks and goodbyes and finally headed off.

    Overall it was another successful tourney experience, and I'm glad I went again this year. There's nothing like an ST tourney in Japan to welcome in the New Year.

    haha TMF hooked everyone up on GGPO

    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/19483833



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  • ilitiritilitirit Joined: Posts: 6,388
    I'm sure this was posted before but does anyone have a translation of this page?

    http://beastdaigo.jp/versus_chap5.shtml

    He talks about a lotta different stuff, including footsies etc.
  • BoggleMindsBoggleMinds Joined: Posts: 335
    I'm sure this was posted before but does anyone have a translation of this page?

    http://beastdaigo.jp/versus_chap5.shtml

    He talks about a lotta different stuff, including footsies etc.

    Quick summary: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/super-street-fighter-ii-turbo-in-the-house.13457/page-76#post-5667489
    "My first visit to an arcade changed my life. It was such a sensational experience. The fact I got to play with total strangers and connect with them through the game enthralled me." --Daigo Umehara

    www.youtube.com/Guoguodi
    GGPO Handle: Gizzle
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    There is an update at NH2's blog. Did not make much sense to me. Has he lost his password or something? It's been some time I do not hear from him at all.
  • DimitrisDimitris Joined: Posts: 35
    edited June 2013
    nevermind
    Post edited by Dimitris on
  • moocusmoocus internets? Joined: Posts: 869
    that arcade looks funnnn. sad face for the st machine being unoccupied
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    It looks like an awesome arcade to go to, you boys in Belgium are lucky to have it. I agree with moocus though, it's pretty sad ST is sitting in the middle of all these cabs, and being forever alone :(

    You might want to consider posting that thread in here as well:

    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?forums/world.119/

    You'll get some more fellow Belgians interested in the place. Hopefully some of them won't mind trying an old ass game for nostalgia.
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    NH2 Blog: The contest!

    Pretty nice prize!
  • F-A-M-I-L-Y ManF-A-M-I-L-Y Man feedin you and feedin you Joined: Posts: 229
    Haha, awesome. I entered.
    GGPO: Pillowhashi
  • booty clapperbooty clapper Grrrrrr Joined: Posts: 1,726
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714

    Awesome, I hope your event turns out great.

    A few questions, there's no stream URL, yet you say that there's a stream provided by Dick Wolf, and there's a weird url attached to that, might want to correct that.

    Also, you're kind of vague as to how future payouts are going to work. You say winner(s) take all, but that could encompass anything from 100% to 1st, or a 70/20/10, or a 60/30/10, etc etc. Might want to clarify.
  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
  • booty clapperbooty clapper Grrrrrr Joined: Posts: 1,726
    How are you confused with the pay out of winner(s) take all? You win singles, you win all the money. Your team wins teams, they win all the money. There will be no 70/20/10 etc splits.

    As well Min is still questioning at the moment if he is going to switch stream service or not. Once this information is settled the link will be updated.
    #SNKPlaymore & #Alpha2 on efnet
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Going to have a stream of Super Arcade ST, if you guys want to watch, here's the link. It should be up around 6pm or so.

    http://www.twitch.tv/iebattlegrounds
  • nonoabbynonoabby C - Geese/Yamazaki/Sagat Joined: Posts: 113
    How did people get good playing this game against the cpu. I turned it to easiest, and it gives me one free jump in a round before i lose, lol.
  • othartheomothartheom recovering hyou bal Joined: Posts: 116
    How did people get good playing this game against the cpu. I turned it to easiest, and it gives me one free jump in a round before i lose, lol.
    American ST cpu is one of the hardest computer opponents I've ever seen in a fighting game. The game will actually read your inputs and input what is exactly needed to beat you.

    On a side note, sometimes watching the computer is a good way to see something totally wacky that works
  • NephinelNephinel Jill - Mistress of Wyverns Joined: Posts: 705
    Hello.

    Question about the SSFIIX for Dreamcast~

    Is the AI difficulty affected by the Language Switch (switch 2A) in the Secret Options? I was fiddling with it this morning...I noticed that with the language set to Japanese, the AI is nowhere near as difficult or frustrating to fight against as when the language is set to English. I haven't adjusted the difficulty level in the regular options menu either (left it at 4 stars).
    This battle is about to explode. FIGHT!
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  • afro legendsafro legends Pugilist Specialist Joined: Posts: 256
    Is the safe option select dp vs wall dives forward, down, down/forward, forward, down, down/back when vega is right on top?
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Is the safe option select dp vs wall dives forward, down, down/forward, forward, down, down/back when vega is right on top?

    I think the auto-correct DP motion is forward, down, down-forward, half circle backwards, x3 punches.

    If you want the dp/tatsu option select, according to DGV, it's forward, down, down-forward, forward, x3 punches and kicks. That way you either get a DP in the "front" direction, or a reversal tatsu in the "back" direction.
  • afro legendsafro legends Pugilist Specialist Joined: Posts: 256
    Cool...also, when claw is attempting a dive on wakeup...can't you just hold down 3 punches, do a dp motion + back and release the punches for a negative edge dp...so if claw hits from the front, the dp comes out, and if he's behind, you just block?
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,714
    Yes, you can. It gives Ryu the most amount of options on wake-up. That being said, even with this technique, its still heavily Claw favored imo.
  • GanelonGanelon Joined: Posts: 1,101
    Super Street Fighter 2: The New Challengers was released on the US Wii Shop Channel today for $8. I picked it up and gave it a whirl. Keep in mind a few things. First, this is the original SSF2 that was quickly discarded in favor of ST. Second, this is the Sega Genesis (Mega Drive) version so there are a lot of technical sacrifices in exchange for a few more modes. The default speed is horrible (and one of the main reasons why the arcade version didn't enjoy much support) but you can set it to much faster than even ST if you want (reason enough for some to consider the SG and SNES versions better than the arcade version).

    I started the game expecting a solid emulation of the original Genesis version, perhaps even smoother since I had my trusty HRAP2 stick connected via the Cube JoyBox converter. Everything started off fine until I had to configure my controls. Apparently, the Cube JoyBox (and other PlayStation 2->GameCube converters) maps the PS2 L1 and R1 buttons to the GCN Z button. And it just so happens that the Z button brings up a special menu in Virtual Console games. Unfortunately, there are no official or unofficial ways to remap controls on the Wii so L1 and R1 are completely unusable. That makes using the HRAP a very awkward experience with one attack off. An official Wii stick should work without a hitch but then you're stuck with either mushy parts or an annoying mod.

    I recognize that Nintendo doesn't cater to unofficial products so I accepted my setup's deficiencies and went on to try SSF2's offline mode. It felt as I remembered it: not remotely arcade perfect in visuals and sound but a decent approximation of SSF2. Of course, I didn't buy the game for offline. I already have SSF2 for SG and certainly wouldn't pay $8 for a digital emulation. The unique aspect of this Virtual Console title that's been touted since the game was first announced last year is that it's the first US release to include online play (and second VC game with online internationally). No previous US VC game, including SSF2 for the Super NES, offered online play. So I started the WFC Battle online mode anticipating good things...

    I was immediately reminded how Nintendo's online system focuses on privacy to the detriment of meeting new people. You can battle an anonymous stranger or a friend, and that's it. There were no other options available: not a ping filter, not a leaderboard, and not an estimated skill level. My first match took over 5 minutes to link up. The connection is set up like zbattle where you can play as long as you like against the other player. When I started my first match, I realized once again why online HDR is still regarded so highly among console fighter netcodes. It turns out Wii SSF2 has horrific input delay, to the point where it's difficult to time jumping attacks (at all, much less meaty or early). On defense, if you're holding down with Guile and the opponent jumps forward, then once he reaches the apex of his jump, it's already too late for you to do anything about it.

    I tried with a few more players and had some different experiences. At best, the netcode is comparable to a decent connection on Kaillera but at worst, inputs come out literally 1 full second after you press them. There are no GGPO-style rollbacks here; it's all plain lag that gets frustrating as you see jumps coming and can't do anything about them. Everyone connecting through Wi-Fi (or a variant thereof) doesn't help the situation either.

    Overall, I'm disappointed with the game. It's great that SSF2 got a special online release for the Wii since it's the closest game to ST on that system, but the online addition is unplayable for anyone who wants to take the game seriously. I thought (and still feel) Street Fighter IV had bad netcode and Street Fighter X Tekken had slightly worse netcode but compared to Wii SSF2, they're GGPO and Supercade. Anybody who wants to have fun with console SF2 would be much better served with HDR (preferably on Xbox 360). Anybody with a PC would do even better with ST on the aforementioned GGPO and Supercade. For any Wii-only folks, I'm afraid you're out of luck. On the bright side, if you can react on the Wii version, you'll have amazing reactions in offline ST.
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