The Link: The Quick-Disconnect JLF Shaft!

PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming!Joined: Posts: 3,477
edited May 2014 in Tech Talk
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The Link is a new JLF shaft design that is purposed to allow easy storage for all kinds of players. The casual players looking to save a little space, and for traveling tournament players who need every inch when cramming into a full car.

The new design is a two piece steel construction. When in place, the Link is identical in height, allowing for you to drop it right into your current arcade stick that has a Sanwa JLF and feel no difference. The diameter of the center collar is perfect size so that you can keep your current dust washer, however the shaft cover will have to go!
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Compared to the original shaft, the Link is nearly identical. The few base changes are the collar locking/unlocking mechanic and the hollow construction to cut down on any added weight, as well as allow for future mods such as LEDs.
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Another key difference is in how the top is changed out. In the old design you had to utilize the flat head screwdriver slot to get ample torque to tighten the top enough not to loosen. In the new design, the center of the top section has been keyed for a 3mm hex bit, allowing for a more streamlined approach. This is the same size required to take the top panel off of a TE, which makes install that much easier.
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Here's a quick overview I've done, please excuse the horrible quality... video stuff isn't my thing these days.



Extra Install Notes:

1. If you're installing it into a Madcatz TE or one that has the second dust washer that lies on top of the pivot bushing, REMOVE THAT INNER DUST WASHER.

They (and some others) have 2 in the stick, one on the control panel (which is fine) and an inner one that rests underneath the control panel, right over the pivot bushing. That inner one will cause problems, both in coupling the pieces together and connection, remove it and you'll save yourself headache.

Sticks to note that may have the inner (under the control panel) dust washer that must be removed:
  • Madcatz TE/SE
  • Qanba
2.Custom plexi dustwashers may have an adverse affect. If you find it's popping out during play and you have a custom dust washer. Remove said dustwasher and test the compared performance, you should see an improvement. A workaround to this is to put a counter-sink into the inner-diameter of that dustwasher, as it will alleviate problematic pressure on the collar of the Link from that hard angle.


FAQ
JLF Only?

If this takes off, and there's enough interest, the "Link technology" so-to-speak, can be ported to any style shaft out there. Get interest in the current Link JLF and you can probably expect another type.
How do I install a it?

If you're completely in unfamiliar territory, I suggest hitting up Youtube with just a "JLF Install" search string to cover your bases. It's an extremely simple swap, with minor tools required, however Vicko has done a fantastic job overviewing how to install it into his HRAP and TE-S.






Will it come apart without engaging the collar ever?

In short, yes it can, but only if you exert upward force that's unnatural to standard play. There is a yield strength, it hasn't been exact weight tested yet, but it won't come apart unless you're aiming to make it happen. It will not, and I repeat, NOT come apart during normal play if you do not touch the collar, that is a guarantee.

This is something I'm looking into and perhaps in future runs this performance will improve, but for now I HIGHLY recommend against lifting up the stick by your ball/bat top.
What do I do about the hole left after it's been disconnected?

It depends on the user's preference, but a 24mm button cap works just fine if you have something with a diameter that works for it. A TE, for example has a hole that works, an HRAP doesn't. Just do a quick measurement, but if you do definitely snap the tabs off... that'd be such a bitch to remove if you don't, lol. The Link is made of 416 Stainless Steel, it is magnetic so you can get creative... or just cover it with painters tape during travel.


Below is a picture of someone not only showing off a hitbox/standard style hybrid stick, but also the use of a plug to cover the hole when it's not required.

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Otherwise, you can get a cap I did a quick design for here.. it locks to the base piece, and ignores the hole size. The only catch is it sits a little taller so that you can put the dust cover underneath and be as thick as the custom plexi ones, so if you don't have one it wobbles slightly.

http://www.shapeways.com/model/1326987/link-jlf-u-cap-lp-shelledflange.html?li=shop-results&materialId=6

Feel free to download the design and edit it to your liking if you have the means to do it.


I got it and put it together, but it looks like the collar piece doesn't go all the way back down when locked together.

This is normal behavior, future iterations may behave slightly different but for now this is OK.

Quick diagram courtesy of Freedom Gundam:
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*Update to the above picture/description

New adjustments have removed much of the space shown above, and as such has also increased the linking strength, below is a comparison of the old vs. new, you will see a big difference in how far the collar goes down.

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How do I order one?

You can pick one up at any of these retailers:

Focus Attack
Paradise Arcade Shop
Jasen's Customs




Post edited by Phreakazoid on
Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
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Comments

  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,488 mod
    How does it hold up during heavy, extended use? Have you tested to see if the shaft/balltop loosens up?
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    How does it hold up during heavy, extended use? Have you tested to see if the shaft/balltop loosens up?

    It holds up awesome, so far in the testing we've done there's no loosening in the least of the balltop. I'll be wrenching on it like crazy this weekend to make sure there's no surprises but as far as I can tell the thing is solid as hell and stands up to a ton of abuse.

    The top section does NOT loosen up, it's machined in a way that most industrial tools are.
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • BertrossBertross I am Phycho Power! Joined: Posts: 152
    Looking really good buddy. Id like to have one on my latest edition!

    OMG i watched the video and am super impressed with the install/uninstall, even great for when building the sticks to swap parts when building easy for customers or for getting the look right or making adjustements.

    Thumbs up

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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,488 mod
    Another thing I'm wondering is if it'll allow for an arc eye in the hole for a bottom lit balltop (spenz did with my stick).

    That said, someone needs to make a custom case with a storage pocket for these.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
    -PersiaXO
  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    Another thing I'm wondering is if it'll allow for an arc eye in the hole for a bottom lit balltop (spenz did with my stick).

    That said, someone needs to make a custom case with a storage pocket for these.

    Actually, the FIRST thing I tested was bottom lit functionality to eliminate wires in the shaft. Unfortunately a lot of light is lost, but more experiments will definitely be run when I have some time to do so.

    +1 on the case with a storage pocket :D
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • BertrossBertross I am Phycho Power! Joined: Posts: 152
    what sort of price range are you looking at targeting? $25?
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,488 mod
    Actually, the FIRST thing I tested was bottom lit functionality to eliminate wires in the shaft. Unfortunately a lot of light is lost, but more experiments will definitely be run when I have some time to do so.

    +1 on the case with a storage pocket :D
    Interesting. I'm assuming that the collar sits over the ArcEye then. That said, this could eliminate that one problem we encountered with using the ArcEye on one of Toodles metal shaft covers. Spinning the shaft ripped the wires out.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
    -PersiaXO
  • blueNINEblueNINE Alex Smith Joined: Posts: 1,332
    Smart stuff.
    Please let me know if you need stick mods or repairs!
  • Majin TCZMajin TCZ Absolute Awareness.. Joined: Posts: 143
    O man this would be awesome on my Kraylix. I have some friends that prefer bat tops.

    I'm impressed!!
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  • Da UnknownDa Unknown Lvl. Zero Joined: Posts: 198
    Are you wanting me to just throw you money, sir? This thing looks awesome! Expect an email from me soon about one
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  • MuffmanMuffman VIVA LA REVOLUCION DE LOS SEIS BOTONES!!! Joined: Posts: 500
    Good stuff man!! Do you think rust will be an issue? I've read steel shafts rust after a while with no shaft but never found a time frame of how long it takes to start.
  • KyleKyle PS-14-Gangsta Joined: Posts: 4,735 mod
    Just watched the video. That's slick.
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  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,693
    Very nice product, if I didn't hate the JLF itself I'd get some ;)
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  • purplearmspurplearms Joystick mod sensei Joined: Posts: 955
    Congrats! I can't wait to get this in my hands ;)
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  • TortaTorta A piece of Cake Joined: Posts: 709
    Just awesome!
    Try to do this for other joysticks.. not only the JLF ;_; and.. please post pics of Sanwa Battops mounted in this!
    Thanks!
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    Are you wanting me to just throw you money, sir? This thing looks awesome! Expect an email from me soon about one

    Lol, thanks. I look forward to the email!
    what sort of price range are you looking at targeting? $25?

    I'm not 100% sure, we're getting some preliminary quotes from the fabrication houses (all local) to see what kind of cost US based production will be. I'd prefer to keep it US based but we'll see. The drawings will be made up probably this week to get a better idea, with final drawings sent out after UFGT so I can see cost + lead time for people, as well as make any changes to the current design that I see need to be made (there's a couple critiques I have atm to be hammered out, but they're all already known pretty much).

    The first thing will probably be a short beta run, if that's successful a full run will be done. I've been told it can take about 4 weeks for an order, so I'll try to plan accordingly...luckily everything needed to build these guys can all be had/made in house. Ideally, I'm shooting for < 35$, it seems like a lot for a joystick shaft but the process to make these guys is 3 fold, so that's 3 different parts to be manufactured, then assembly done by myself and some helpers. Again, this all depends on what the fab houses say...I could be greatly impressed by their volume discount, won't know for a little bit here.
    Good stuff man!! Do you think rust will be an issue? I've read steel shafts rust after a while with no shaft but never found a time frame of how long it takes to start.

    I'd imagine rusting might be an issue if exposed to a lot of moisture (left in the rain or something) but this is only a prototype, the real deal will probably be stainless steel...just like the original, so long as it doesn't make the price crazy.
    Very nice product, if I didn't hate the JLF itself I'd get some ;)
    Just awesome!
    Try to do this for other joysticks.. not only the JLF ;_; and.. please post pics of Sanwa Battops mounted in this!
    Thanks!

    If this takes off, and there's enough interest, the "Link technology" so-to-speak, can be ported to any style shaft out there. Get interest in the current Link JLF and you can probably expect another type.
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • godspugodspu Custom builder Joined: Posts: 198
    props man, i love it.
    email me for custom joysticks and mods. please incluse handle

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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    I want one! Damn. Gotta mod one of my mini sticks for a JLF.
  • EvelgestEvelgest set the lab on fire. Joined: Posts: 1,385
    Have you considered an easily removable button plug to cover the hole while in transport? Otherwise, this looks fantastic.
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  • olaf_redlandolaf_redland Blink for DLC! Joined: Posts: 272
    Do Want.
    If this thing can be kept under 30 bucks, I'll reserve asap.
    Meh.
  • bostonbrawlerbostonbrawler Joined: Posts: 10
    I need this in bat form, thanks for phreakmods for designing and Merkilo for pointing it out!
  • crazecraze I'm a family man now! Joined: Posts: 514
    very nice,

    i will buy this soon as its for sale.

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  • AthrexAthrex Joined: Posts: 414
    I want one. If you are looking for people interested in buying into the Beta run, I would be interested.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,913
    Looks nice, any word when you start production or start taking orders?
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,913
    Looks nice, I was wondering when you are going to start taking orders for Quick Disconnect Shaft?
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    Have you considered an easily removable button plug to cover the hole while in transport? Otherwise, this looks fantastic.

    Yeah that's something to be considered for sure, I just haven't figured out how to approach that just yet.
    Looks nice, any word when you start production or start taking orders?

    Not yet, waiting to hear back from a few people.

    I'll try and snap some pics of a bat top on this guy over the weekend, I currently don't have one.
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • ihiryuihiryu Diet Balrog Player !KTB-BC! Joined: Posts: 3,495
    Very nice! I would buy this if it were for LS-32's.

    Great product though!
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  • speedsterharryspeedsterharry Joined: Posts: 785
    How heavy is this new shaft ? Aren't you afraid it can change the JLF dynamics too much (e.g. for dashes) ? Very nice mod though
  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    How heavy is this new shaft ? Aren't you afraid it can change the JLF dynamics too much (e.g. for dashes) ? Very nice mod though

    I don't have a scale that has the best resolution, but it's a tad heavier just from holding them. It's part of the reason I wanted it hollow, it not only opens the Link for multiple options but it reduces the overall weight.

    The only scale I've got is one for sending out mail, and it says they're both 1 oz which isn't the case.
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • KurushiiKurushii Kurushii.TV Joined: Posts: 98
    Awesome job! I'll buy some for sure when they are ready for purchase. =3
  • CSword123CSword123 oh god OHGOD! why did I think this was a good idea? please... just- I'M SORRY!! Joined: Posts: 1,208
    I'm so happy that my thread got some engines running around here! :p
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  • purplearmspurplearms Joystick mod sensei Joined: Posts: 955
    I'm so happy that my thread got some engines running around here! :p
    Community-based projects FTW!
    lol dont wanna burst your bubble (your thread is great) but this one has been under wraps for a while.. these things take time.. we did however notice the thread and the wish list items ;)
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  • CSword123CSword123 oh god OHGOD! why did I think this was a good idea? please... just- I'M SORRY!! Joined: Posts: 1,208
    lol dont wanna burst your bubble (your thread is great) but this one has been under wraps for a while.. these things take time.. we did however notice the thread and the wish list items ;)

    Hmm. That gives me another idea then. I should probably rank those wishlists whenever I have the time. It will help modders prioritize if they choose.
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  • Francys PaiFrancys Pai ☆ Resident Cynic ☆ Joined: Posts: 5,085
    Definitely getting my hands on a few of these when they're available. Top stuff <3
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  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    lol dont wanna burst your bubble (your thread is great) but this one has been under wraps for a while..

    As a matter of fact, the first drawing was scrawled out during the halftime show of the Super Bowl :p
    Cerberus, easy dual mod for your TE ->www.phreakmods.com/products/cerberus
    Link JLF Detachable Joystick Shaft! -> www.PhreakMods.com/products/the-link
    Available @ FocusAttack.com -> http://www.focusattack.com/jlf-link/
    Available @ JasensCustoms.com -> https://www.jasenscustoms.com/PhreakMods-The-Link.html
    Available @ ParadiseAracadeShop.com -> http://www.paradisearcadeshop.com/fgc-featured/1124-the-link-jlf.html
  • purplearmspurplearms Joystick mod sensei Joined: Posts: 955
    Hmm. That gives me another idea then. I should probably rank those wishlists whenever I have the time. It will help modders prioritize if they choose.

    Yes that would help. That thread is a long time coming!
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    Arc-Eye 3 LEDs: http://goo.gl/BlNQc
  • Eben01Eben01 The Cat in the Wooden Hat Joined: Posts: 326
    fuuuuuu! That's awesome. I likey.
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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    Phreak, this is a beautiful thing. These are my favorite kinds of mods.

    I'm definitely in to buy. I'll post weights if you don't have them by the time I get one.
  • KyleKyle PS-14-Gangsta Joined: Posts: 4,735 mod
    If you have a local Harbor Freight you can get a small digital scale for around $12.
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