What Stick/Controller Should I Buy? Read the Guide on Pg 1 Before Posting.

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  • DenokuDenoku Joined: Posts: 64
    I'm looking for help picking a stick. I'm just playing MvC3 and Mortal Kombat. I have a Hori Real Arcade Pro V3-SA. It's an okay stick but I'm wanting to try out the either the SSFIV stick or the MvC3 stick. I hear the SSFIV stick is good so that is what I'm looking at. I'm wondering how it handles? My main problem with this Hori stick is that the inputs feel too close together. I'm actually just looking for any good fighting stick suggestions. Nothing crazy that I have to mod myself but something that is good and reliable, that I can get in the store/online.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    So, now for the real decision =P
    Mad Catz SE €50 ~ $70
    HRAP BlazBlue €70 ~ $100

    Now there are some things I don't like about the Blazblue stick (=HRAP 3?):
    - The case is blue
    - It doesn't have the vewlix button layout but the japanese arcade layout
    - It's harder to mod than the SE (not sure how much harder)

    Now, I've read that the HRAP 3 is an overall better controller but estethics and comfort are important to me too.
    So, is there a way to easily change to color of the case and I've read that the vewlix button layout is "better"overall and easier/more comfortable to use.

    From what I've read the HRAP 3 is say... a tier above the SE. Is that true?
    I'll probably put sanwa buttons and stick in the SE anyway so is it worth the extra 30 dollars?
    You can always Paint the case the color you want. Strip all the parts out first, and you can paint the case. There 2 ways of going about this, Sand, primer and your color coat and mite want after include a clear coat, or you can use a product called vinyl dye. Vinyl dye only works on clean non-painted surfaces and it does not work well on Acrylic or Plexy glass. It works well on Vinyl (obviously), ABS Plastic, and most of the harder plastics a stick case body is made from. I am not sure about PVC Plastic. I seen Vinyl dye work on Mad Catz, Hori, Sega and Nintendo Products (I painted a NES with Vinyl dye). Unlike Vinyl dye Actual paint can be used to easier paint different designs and multiple colors on the same piece of plastic. There is a guide on painting on tech talk, I suggest you find and read it.

    As for Layout, there is no right or best layout for everyone, it is personal preference.
    For example: some people swear by the MK layout for MK, I hate it. I prefer the 2nd Player Sega layout, some people like the straight Capcom layout, others like Veiwlix.
    I'm looking for help picking a stick. I'm just playing MvC3 and Mortal Kombat. I have a Hori Real Arcade Pro V3-SA. It's an okay stick but I'm wanting to try out the either the SSFIV stick or the MvC3 stick. I hear the SSFIV stick is good so that is what I'm looking at. I'm wondering how it handles? My main problem with this Hori stick is that the inputs feel too close together. I'm actually just looking for any good fighting stick suggestions. Nothing crazy that I have to mod myself but something that is good and reliable, that I can get in the store/online.
    From my understanding the TE series handles pretty well. I only include modding info on each stick just to help people decide what they want. Modding is completely optional. On a Te Modding for the most part is more cosmetic than it is performance. Although some people are more comfortable with Seimitsu over Sanwa. This is more of a personal preference , like what you like to drink more, Coca Cola, Pepsi or RC Cola.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    water please! coke hurts my tummy! :P
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    water please! coke hurts my tummy! :P
    LOL
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    it's true though...i'm into the "healthy" lifestyle so i don't drink pop/soda and everyone once in a while i end up drinking some coke and it tastes disgusting and then i get a horrible stomach ache...so sad...lol.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    it's true though...i'm into the "healthy" lifestyle so i don't drink pop/soda and everyone once in a while i end up drinking some coke and it tastes disgusting and then i get a horrible stomach ache...so sad...lol.
    The soda comment is an analogy for the different brands of arcade parts out there. If Sanwa is Coke, and Seimitsu is Pepsi, Crown would be RC Cola, that makes Happ Deer Park Spring Water. IL would be Evian or maybe Fiji Spring Water, LOL.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • JebitronJebitron Hermit Joined: Posts: 138
    I'm disabled with Duchenne's MD and require very sensitive controls. I need a TE stick because it's easy to mod. True, it's more of a cosmetic mod but you can easily take the JLF out of it and mod the actual JLF stick with say a D44X Cherry Micro Switch mod. I need a sensitive stick so putting a single LS-33 spring is easy to add to a JLF without even having much experience with taking anything apart. Same with the type of gates it uses. I've heard of Seimitsu sticks being put inside it as well without too much effort and if you want light up buttons, depending on your skill, is easy to install Seimitsu clear buttons with a sparky or a mc cthulhu for dual compatibility. I guess my point is that it's easy to work with. I didn't have any trouble with swapping parts out and I can barely lift my arms at all. Very easy. Everything pretty much drops right in. I just like those sticks a lot. They get along with me and feel comfortable on my hands. I've been exploring other sticks to fit inside both styles of these sticks as well. My latest is to fit an LS-33 stick in one. I feel it's a good stick to explore modding with. If you're a beginner and break it, there's tons of people on-line just waiting for your money to fix one.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    Guide Update. Qanba section updated.
    TE Section Corrected.
    Still need to correct Sega Section.

    No more sticks will be added unless the stick is a new release.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,451 mod
    Thinking of stickying this.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    Thinking of stickying this.
    I think it already is. The "What Stick Should I Buy" Thread is linked to this one.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,451 mod
    I think it already is. The "What Stick Should I Buy" Thread is linked to this one.
    I mean actually stickying it instead of just having it in the info thread. This way people who simply want to ask can see the thread immediately.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
    -PersiaXO
  • Trouble BrewingTrouble Brewing Super Coffee Fighter V Joined: Posts: 5,174 mod
    Thinking of stickying this.
    It's definitely going to be a new link in the newbie dojo sticky. It's so thorough I might just delete my "which stick should I buy" writeup and link this instead.
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  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    The soda comment is an analogy for the different brands of arcade parts out there. If Sanwa is Coke, and Seimitsu is Pepsi, Crown would be RC Cola, that makes Happ Deer Park Spring Water. IL would be Evian or maybe Fiji Spring Water, LOL.
    lol, that would be right up my alley, IL parts are my favourite to play on.
  • KyleKyle PS-14-Gangsta Joined: Posts: 4,735 mod
    This has been stickied. A big thanks to Darksakul!
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,451 mod
    Ooh, new MadCatz stick incoming. Looks like more work for Lukas.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
    -PersiaXO
  • TakahashiTakahashi Epileptic Videogamer Joined: Posts: 474

    HRAP 2 SA (PS2) Discontinued.
    White and Grey controller for the PS2. Sanwa stick and buttons.
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy case. Stock buttons are not that great.
    Reliability: No reports I seen of any issues.
    Ease of Mod: NA
    For people getting it on eBay or something:
    Ease of Mod: 1

    Source: I own two HRAP 2 SA's.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    Keep in mind, since there was a lot of typing, I copy and paste each entry and edit the content afterwards, it was very easy to miss incorrect information, like me calling the HRAP 2 SA lower quality than it should be.
    Ooh, new MadCatz stick incoming. Looks like more work for Lukas.
    I saw the new Mad Catz Pro Edtion stick, Red and white Capcom X Namco. I been debating how to go about this stick. Obviouisly I left out alot of collector items.
    All the game theme Hori sticks, like the Arcana Heart or the Tekken Stick as buyers now have to go out of their wait to find them. Same with the Comic-Con and the Femme Fatale TE stick, The Dreamcast Agetec Stick and both Hori HRAP Twin Sticks (Virtual-On) $400 for a stick that is for only 2 games goes outside of Beginners range. How available this stick becomes and if I can find some reliable feed back for the stick will determine if I include it or not.


    Yes I ended up including both TE S sticks, as although limited they were available enough for consideration.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • GDXGDX Joined: Posts: 100
    I needed some advice on what are the best pads out there for PS3/360 respectively

    I'm definitely a pad warrior, and jumping to stick is something I'm not interested in. I am, however, interested in upgrading from the SFIV fightpads (I have one for PS3 and 2 for 360).

    What really are the best pads overall for both systems? Ive heard good things about the new MvC3 pad for 360, and the neogeo branded one for ps3 looks legit, but I honestly don't know. Note that I dont like the 360 default controller at all...ps3 default is ok but I want to find something more comfortable
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    Hard to say honestly, different styles of d-pad fits for different people preferences.
    I personally do not care for the thumb stick the PDP fight pad (or as you call it the MvC3 pad which is isn't*) or the Neo Geo pad possesses.

    Lets see, you do not care for the Mad Catz Fight pads, so lets rule them out.

    Other options (all wired in & no particular order)

    Xbox 360 Hori Turbo Pad EX 2
    PS3 Hori Fighting Commander 3
    (Official) USB Sega Saturn Pad (for use on PC and PS3). There alot of Cheap knock offs for this one so they are hard to spot.
    Original (type S) Sega Saturn pad with Adapter
    PS2 Sega Saturn Pad with Adapter (rare) with a adapter
    Nubytech Street Fighter II 15 Anniversary Edition fight pad PS2 and original Xbox + Adapter.
    Original Nintendo SNES pad with Adapter
    Mad Catz Xbox 360 Call of Duty Pad
    Regular Mad Catz Xbox 360 Pad Model 4716
    The After Glow Xbox 360 and PS3 pads
    Logitech's Xbox 360 and PS3 Pads

    Out of that list I prefer the Sega Saturn pad (ether Saturn or PS2 version) and Nintendo SNES pad, but realistically I would recommend the 2 Hori pads. The Hori Turbo pad EX 2 for the Xbox 360 ($30 to $35) and the Fighting Commander 3 for the PS3 ($37 to $49). Prices are what I saw on Amazon and eBay.

    *Note. the PDP pad was licensed by Marvel but not Capcom so they are not the MvC3 pad. Recently due to legal issues, PDP dropped the marvel theme and made there pads all black for PS3 or all white for the Xbox 360. Also F.Y.I. PDP was once known as Pelican.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • NicholleSoftNicholleSoft Student Without A Master Joined: Posts: 62
    I'm probably the only person insane enough to go get another Hori VLX even though I'd be better off with a Qanba Q4 due to it being multiplatform compatible. Unfortunately I had to sell my first one but there is something about it I couldn't find in any other fightstick. After I installed my 8-way gate into it it became the best stick ever to me. All I needed was that ps360 pcb and I was good to go. I'll get one again in the near future and I'll be working on my Metal Gear theme on it too.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    I'm probably the only person insane enough to go get another Hori VLX even though I'd be better off with a Qanba Q4 due to it being multiplatform compatible. Unfortunately I had to sell my first one but there is something about it I couldn't find in any other fightstick. After I installed my 8-way gate into it it became the best stick ever to me. All I needed was that ps360 pcb and I was good to go. I'll get one again in the near future and I'll be working on my Metal Gear theme on it too.
    No Need to wait for the PS360, there always the Kitty. The VLX version of the kitty is very easy to install, and it gives you all the systems the MC Cthulhu does.
    It plugs into the existing PCB and connections, and the VLX Kitty is fully reversible.
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/official-kitty-class-boards-thread.129829/#post-5075960
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • NicholleSoftNicholleSoft Student Without A Master Joined: Posts: 62
    No Need to wait for the PS360, there always the Kitty. The VLX version of the kitty is very easy to install, and it gives you all the systems the MC Cthulhu does.
    It plugs into the existing PCB and connections, and the VLX Kitty is fully reversible.
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/official-kitty-class-boards-thread.129829/#post-5075960

    Hey thanks for the information! I am very new at this whole modding thing but I want to give it a shot!
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    I figured rather than you waiting I can always give alternatives. You can order directly from Toodles or you can get the Kitty from Lizard Lick.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • GDXGDX Joined: Posts: 100
    ah ok, thanks for the list. I'll look into the Hori ones
  • hlamhlam Joined: Posts: 3
    does anyone know where i can buy Mad Catz TE S (preferably new & black) for a reasonable price? I've only found used sticks in the ~$150 range...
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    Why buy used? I know that you can buy NEW directly from Mad Catz at the Game Shark Store
    The Black Xbox 360 TE S is $149.99 US. Also you save 20% off with the promo code: DADGRAD20

    Note: you can only prereg now since the Non-limited edition versions of the (both white and black) TE S is released June 17.

    You can also try Amazon and eBay.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • taidai1338taidai1338 Salt Mine Foreman Joined: Posts: 61
    I am also a pad warrior and I was wondering if there's any cross platform (360/PS3) pads that exist, or at least any tutorials in how to mod one to be cross platform. Google has failed me.
    I made you a combo, but I dropped it.

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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    you're gonna have a lot of fun doing that........

    only the legendary gummowned has been able to do that
    he needs new boards, so he can't do that right now
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    I am also a pad warrior and I was wondering if there's any cross platform (360/PS3) pads that exist, or at least any tutorials in how to mod one to be cross platform. Google has failed me.
    None exist as a manufactured product in the whole industry, even with the cheap knock off stuff. Only reason dual-mode Stick PCBs exist are because they are unlicensed products made overseas.
    As for a Cross Xbox 360/PS3 pad you can try Gummowned, I think his dual-strike is small enough to squeeze into some pads. Mostly the Mad Catz Fightpads, as the PDP fightpad is near impossible to dual-mod with (requires a fuck ton of trace cutting and adding diodes to the original PCB). If you are willing to gut a cheap game pad, you can attach the pad to a project box. And each Project box will have the PCB to a system you want to play on.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • taidai1338taidai1338 Salt Mine Foreman Joined: Posts: 61
    cool thanks, i'll look into that :)
    I made you a combo, but I dropped it.

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  • NerrageNerrage STICKS for JOY Joined: Posts: 3,349
    you're gonna have a lot of fun doing that........

    only the legendary gummowned has been able to do that
    he needs new boards, so he can't do that right now
    Phreakazoid187 did it first. He even did it with a Cthulhu and Imp.

    http://www.phreakmods.com/dual-modded-madcatz-xbox360-fightpad

    But it is a lot easier with Dualstrike SMD. I could do it!


    cool thanks, i'll look into that :)
    I wrote a guide on how you could make your own converter, and it's also in the project box guide: http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/project-box-controllers-a-guide-to-modular-controllers.116191/
  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    Phreakazoid187 did it first. He even did it with a Cthulhu and Imp.

    http://www.phreakmods.com/dual-modded-madcatz-xbox360-fightpad

    But it is a lot easier with Dualstrike SMD. I could do it!

    need to learn how to be awesome like that
    i have a random ps3 cthulhu main chip just lying there with no board

    i think i'll have some fun and make a cthulhu with that...
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  • ExtremeYoshiFanExtremeYoshiFan Joined: Posts: 1,179
    Alright. I'll just ask here, even though I probably won't like the answer. I really want a TE(non-s, I like the original look better), but as things stand I am fairly tight for cash. Should I wait it out and buy the TE I want, or should I put my skills to the test and build a custom stick? (Which I may find to like more)

    Fact is, I play on Sanwa buttons quite frequently, and I want to get a stick to use on the go(I play on a mame cabinet running various console emu's for the arcade feel). If anyone knows of a place where I can find a modable stick for a fairly cheap price(goodwill?) let me know. I am not afraid to do some soldering, so I can easily hack a xbox pad. Heck, I even have a PS3 controller with dead analog sticks, so I could go either way. A sanwa button and joystick set is $53(8 button, and a JLF) and then the pad to hack is another $25 for xbox. The TE can be found for around $120, and I get a lot of extra features with it(turbo and such), so which one is the smarter choice for a semi-beginner?
  • kylednotmkylednotm So It Goes Joined: Posts: 236
    Hori Stick section
    Quick identification key
    SE: Special Edition. All Seimitsu Parts
    SA: Special Addition. All Sanwa Parts

    I've done literally zero research into this, but is it possible that SE stands for Seimitsu and SA stands for Sanwa, instead of Special Edition and Special Addition? I could see a case of Engrish in this situation, but this makes more sense to me.
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    No, the SA stands for Special Addition, which has SAnwa parts.
    No, the SE stands for Special Edition, which has SEimitsu parts.

    There is a play on letters there.
    But SA does not stand for SAnwa, it means Special Addition.
    But SE does not stand for SEimitsu, it means Special Edition.
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,451 mod
    Alright. I'll just ask here, even though I probably won't like the answer. I really want a TE(non-s, I like the original look better), but as things stand I am fairly tight for cash. Should I wait it out and buy the TE I want, or should I put my skills to the test and build a custom stick? (Which I may find to like more)

    Fact is, I play on Sanwa buttons quite frequently, and I want to get a stick to use on the go(I play on a mame cabinet running various console emu's for the arcade feel). If anyone knows of a place where I can find a modable stick for a fairly cheap price(goodwill?) let me know. I am not afraid to do some soldering, so I can easily hack a xbox pad. Heck, I even have a PS3 controller with dead analog sticks, so I could go either way. A sanwa button and joystick set is $53(8 button, and a JLF) and then the pad to hack is another $25 for xbox. The TE can be found for around $120, and I get a lot of extra features with it(turbo and such), so which one is the smarter choice for a semi-beginner?
    Mod an SE.
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  • TakahashiTakahashi Epileptic Videogamer Joined: Posts: 474
    You can make sure what the SA and SE stands for, on the Hori website itself:
    SA Example: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/controller/realarc_pro3_sa/
    SE Example: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/controller/realarc_pro3_se/
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,895
    I've done literally zero research into this, but is it possible that SE stands for Seimitsu and SA stands for Sanwa, instead of Special Edition and Special Addition? I could see a case of Engrish in this situation, but this makes more sense to me.
    That what I though at first, but it isn't bad English, it supposed to be a play on words. I did a migraine inducing amount of research for this.
    No, the SA stands for Special Addition, which has SAnwa parts.
    No, the SE stands for Special Edition, which has SEimitsu parts.

    There is a play on letters there.
    But SA does not stand for SAnwa, it means Special Addition.
    But SE does not stand for SEimitsu, it means Special Edition.
    That is what I tried to say.
    You can make sure what the SA and SE stands for, on the Hori website itself:
    SA Example: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/controller/realarc_pro3_sa/
    SE Example: http://www.hori.jp/products/ps3/controller/realarc_pro3_se/
    Well for one, since all the text on that page are images and not text info, google translate told me to go to hell.
    But I did contact an authority on Hori (No not Hori themselves), and they confirmed what I wrote in this guide that SE means Special Edition (Seimitsu part ) and SA is Special Addition (Sanwa parts)
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,451 mod
    If JDM says so, then it must be.

    Some say that he is the collective consciousness of all tech talk come alive,
    and that on Tuesdays he licks red lollipops just for fun.
    All we know is, he's called JDM714.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
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  • KyleKyle PS-14-Gangsta Joined: Posts: 4,735 mod
    I'm inclined to agree. I'm sure it's a play on the words rather than it being Sega Astro Engrish.
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