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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,932
    @ISKone wrote: »
    I only have a day on my te2 but it was all I needed. I already sold my tes to a friend.

    If one is shopping for a new/first stick then it's te2 for sure. The $80 spread between the top next gen sticks is too close. Extra weight, surface area and larger non stick pad make a big difference. My te2 doesn't budge an inch when playing on my coffee table, and I suck, I go into wake up DP on reflex.

    How was the TES+? I would like a TE2+ but not for $229.99. I don't care about the extra weight.

    CdFlzsSXIAEuFDx.jpg

    TE2+ 1.45
    TES+ 4.95

    Those are microseconds of differences, but has anyone felt any noticeable difference while using both?

    Take that chart with a grain of salt
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  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,130
    sasquach wrote: »
    @ISKone wrote: »
    I only have a day on my te2 but it was all I needed. I already sold my tes to a friend.

    If one is shopping for a new/first stick then it's te2 for sure. The $80 spread between the top next gen sticks is too close. Extra weight, surface area and larger non stick pad make a big difference. My te2 doesn't budge an inch when playing on my coffee table, and I suck, I go into wake up DP on reflex.

    How was the TES+? I would like a TE2+ but not for $229.99. I don't care about the extra weight.

    CdFlzsSXIAEuFDx.jpg

    TE2+ 1.45
    TES+ 4.95

    Those are microseconds of differences, but has anyone felt any noticeable difference while using both?

    I personally don't really care for Teyah's test, honestly as long as the input lag is below one frame it really isn't noticeable at all. Even 1 frame can be difficult to notice for some on slower games with very lenient timing windows for newer players. Just get whatever works and doesn't have significant lag on it. I played some of the sticks in "M tier" according to Teyah for the PS3 games I played like +R and MvC2 and honestly they were still very much playable to me, but the MLG TE and MadCatz Fightstick Pro were my first two sticks actually. And +R and MvC2 have strict timing windows on certain things. Fighting Edge, PS360+, TE Kitty, all of them performed the same results when I played those two games. Absolutely no hindrance to me. I know you asked for PS4, but just saying take those results with a grain of salt, I could be just immune to lag, which I could be. If anything, worry about a good monitor first before your stick, if your stock PCB somehow lags more than you want it to (which I doubt it will), then grab another one that satisfies your tastes.

    EDIT: The TES+, build wise, feels durable, pretty nice, and it is what it is. It is a solid stick with everything you'll probably need in terms of functionality for a standalone PS4 stick.

    I have decided to buy the TES+ stick. I am not a fan of the TE2 exterior design. And today's the last day to get it for $149.99. Thanks for the input, guys.
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  • AriesWarlockAriesWarlock Joined: Posts: 3,130
    So today I got my TES+, and I really like it. I have an issue, though. I noticed when playing SFV that when I press medium punch (triangle), all three buttons are pressed. I saw all three buttons be activated in the button preview feature. Wtf. Is there any simple way to fix this or am I gonna have to contact mad catz?
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  • WazurauWazurau 悲憤慷慨 Joined: Posts: 21
    Thank you @Darksakul and @d3v . I've been playing with a controller for all my fighting games for so long but, now thanks to y'all's help, I just purchased my first arcade fight stick. Madcatz Capcom Street Fighter IV Arcade Fight Stick. (The first one you rate on your Madcatz list.) I haggled the guy's price down and got it new for only $50!
    SSFIV:AE/USFIV: Main: Juri Secondaries: Oni, E. Ryu, Chun-Li
    SFV: Main: Juri Secondary: Chun-Li
    Melee: Main: Falco Secondaries: Peach, Marth
    MK, MK II, MK III: Main: Subzero
    MK IX: Main: Kitana Secondary: Subzero
    MK X: Main: D'Vorah Secondaries: Subzero, Kitana
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    SC V: Main: Natsu Secondary: Cervantes
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,932
    Wazurau wrote: »
    Thank you @Darksakul and @d3v . I've been playing with a controller for all my fighting games for so long but, now thanks to y'all's help, I just purchased my first arcade fight stick. Madcatz Capcom Street Fighter IV Arcade Fight Stick. (The first one you rate on your Madcatz list.) I haggled the guy's price down and got it new for only $50!
    You are Welcome, and nice score on the Mad Catz stick.
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  • jigglypurinjigglypurin official pinkorb princess Joined: Posts: 25
    So looks like the TES+ is a good buy? My RAP4 Kai died horribly last year and I'm looking to finally get back into the game.
    hey im tia. open for fightstick commissions if you're interested. psn: jigglypurin
  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    So looks like the TES+ is a good buy? My RAP4 Kai died horribly last year and I'm looking to finally get back into the game.

    It's fine, but I do hear a decent amount of PCB problems now here... Presumably QC went down since Markman left.
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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,709
    So looks like the TES+ is a good buy? My RAP4 Kai died horribly last year and I'm looking to finally get back into the game.

    As far as sticks go with PS4 functionality, it's the best "bang for buck" value imo.
    sasquach wrote: »
    It's fine, but I do hear a decent amount of PCB problems now here... Presumably QC went down since Markman left.

    All the Madcatz PS4-era sticks feel like garbage. Hard to believe they charge more money for an inferior product compared to their offerings during the Xbox360/PS3 era.

  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    Those OG TEs were really good. The prices for TE2+ are outrageous imo.
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  • KillerandUndertakerKillerandUndertaker Joined: Posts: 70
    I've been looking for a TE RND 2 XBOX360 for a few weeks now they seem to be less common & more expensive than the PS3 version. Is this the norm for the TE RND 2 or should I just give it more time?
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 412
    I've been looking for a TE RND 2 XBOX360 for a few weeks now they seem to be less common & more expensive than the PS3 version. Is this the norm for the TE RND 2 or should I just give it more time?

    360 te's used to be a bit more expensive used because they alowed easy dual modding. Offcourse with everyone having moved on to ps4 thats not really relevant anymore. Maybe pc sfv players are buying them though.

  • KillerandUndertakerKillerandUndertaker Joined: Posts: 70
    Dubon wrote: »
    I've been looking for a TE RND 2 XBOX360 for a few weeks now they seem to be less common & more expensive than the PS3 version. Is this the norm for the TE RND 2 or should I just give it more time?

    360 te's used to be a bit more expensive used because they alowed easy dual modding. Offcourse with everyone having moved on to ps4 thats not really relevant anymore. Maybe pc sfv players are buying them though.

    You're probably right. I'm looking to get one for my PC in fact.
  • trinifella1trinifella1 Joined: Posts: 315
    sasquach wrote: »
    Those OG TEs were really good. The prices for TE2+ are outrageous imo.

    QFT. They are so much sturdier and everything
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,932
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    How sturdy the TE2 case actually is.
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    Hahaha
  • deadxobbitdeadxobbit Joined: Posts: 42
    I am pretty happy with my second hand Mad Catz SCV stick as my first (not including one with Qanba Q1 parts in a cardboard box) arcade controller. That thing weighs about the same as a newborn baby and feels sturdy as hell. I bet one could beat a man to death with it in a dark alley and then go play some FT5's like nothing happened.
  • torcidtorcid Joined: Posts: 32
    edited October 2016
    C+ for May Flash/Venom builtquality is to low. Only downside about the case is that you have to take care that the screw threads of the case don't strip. Everything else is fine.

    But you have that problem with plastic threads in other sticks, too. More or less... Generally a problem with plastic...

    Would say Case: B+


    Stick is heavy and has good dimensions... easy to mod.

    It's not really less quality than my old white Hrap VX SA
  • DirrtyPopDirrtyPop Joined: Posts: 192
    Would the 1.5mm actuator fit on a stock jlf? If not what kind of modification would I have to do? I'm guessing the 2mm one is to large for a stock one?
  • OppaiSaurusOppaiSaurus Joined: Posts: 4
    Hi!

    Have been using my arcade stick for quite some time and it has the Sanwa JLF stick and Sanwa buttons in it.

    I am thinking of building a new stick but is wondering if I should order the same stick and buttons or is there others I should consider?

    thank you!
  • bekeballerbekeballer Joined: Posts: 33
    edited November 2016
    There are so many customization options within the hardware you have yourself, ie obs mx for your sanwas and whatnot. I guess I'll start simple, and although i havnt tested every combination or hardware, there are a couple things to consider.

    For Stick: Do you prefer ball top or bat top? Do you like your stick to be on the stiffer side of the spectrum in relation to pushback when using it? Are you content with your square gate?
    Taking all that into consideration, the are four major style sticks to consider:

    Korean Sticks:Fanta/Crown
    Usually come in a bat top configuration but crown makes a balltop variation. These sticks have a little more pushback than a sanwa in my opinion. The major thing with these sticks is that they are gateless and return to neutral position faster than japanese sticks in general. These are usually considered good for tekken, but to each their own. This stick has a linear feel (same pushback the entire way to activation of the switch).This does not feel like an american battop by any means. Infiltration uses this lever.

    Sanwa:
    The tried and true, you have experience with this but can be modded in battop, gates, stiffness, silenced switches, and so much more. This stick fits universally in everything and has the most cool mod stuff out there regarding balltops and light up LED's. If you after a custom look then this is what you should stick with. They primarily make the jlf and jlw, and while the jlw is much stiffer and uses different switches, it can cater towards a person looking for the american joystick feel

    Seimitsu:
    Havnt had a lot of experience with this stick and have only used the ls32, but its the main competitor of sanwa. A litter stiffer, shorter throw (takes less distance to activate the switch) and slighter lower to the stick. My hands are small so thats okay, but i feel like one would be cramped if they had larger hands (My opinion, not fact) lots of custom stuff for this stick out there as well. It is pointed out below that seimitsu makes a variety of joysticks, and many of them may be different than the standard ls32. Again, i have no experience with the ls 56 or other similar joysticks

    Hayabusa:
    Hori made. Some say this is better than a jlf. This has a loose feel in my opinion and just offers a different feel. More linear feel? Honeslty i don't really see the difference (my opinion)

    For buttons: Do you like click? do you like a light push or hard push? Haptic feedback? Colors/lights?

    There is so much stuff regarding switch and plunger combos, so i'll keep it simple.

    Sanwa: OBSF/N-30
    Standard button for most sticks. You have experience with these. This offers the most colors and custom switches and led stuff. If you want the looks, this is what you need to have. The feel is a linear feel and are really light to touch to activate. They have a solid clack sound but do not click. Again, you know what these feel like.

    Seimitsu:
    Similar to sanwa in my opinion, just a little harder to push.

    Gamerfinger:
    variety of feelings when pushed because they have cherry switches in them. Do research on the cherry switch and decide what you like. If you feel like you like the feel of something choose that switch, but if you like the look of sanwa look up sanwa obsmx buttons on paradise arcade shop.

    Lorenzo/happ:
    American galaga style buttons, usually for wood panels. these are probably not what you want, but take some pressure to push and have an awesome click when pushed. Some say they are not ideal for fighting games, but i do just fine playing sf2 on a cabinet. these are the only buttons that are concave (sanwa are convex)

    I simplified this A TON and didnt even talk about all the switch mods (american switch in sanwas) and gate mods, sanwa jlw, or any other stick combos out there because there are just so many , so take this advice with a grain of salt. Before you jump on the train of buying every configuration that ever existed, think about what other people play on. If you find yourself at locals and have to use some stick other than your stick, most likely it will have all sanwa components. Thats why i stick with sanwa jlf and sanwa buttons, so i learn the standard configuration so I can play anywhere on anyones stick. If your configuration is so complex to the point where that is literally all you can play on, you may need to reconsider how you use the stick and how you hit the buttons. Again, these parts are all a matter of preference and should compliment what you like (stiffer stick, clicky buttons, etc). This will not fix your execution problems or make you a better player, that comes with practice. Hope this helps. Coming from a person that had to transition from cabinet play (wico stick and happ buttons) to fightstick play recently, buying sanwas are probably the best for newer players like myself. Go with what you know if you are really on the fence, and try out other configs if someone at a local has it to see if you like it.


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  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,920
    bekeballer wrote: »
    Seimitsu:
    Havnt had a lot of experience with this stick, but its the main competitor of sanwa. A litter stiffer, shorter throw (takes less distance to activate the switch) and slighter lower to the stick. My hands are small so thats okay, but i feel like one would be cramped if they had larger hands (My opinion, not fact) lots of custom stuff for this stick out there as well.


    You know that Seimitsu make over 6 different joysticks, right?
  • bekeballerbekeballer Joined: Posts: 33
    gahrling wrote: »
    bekeballer wrote: »
    Seimitsu:
    Havnt had a lot of experience with this stick, but its the main competitor of sanwa. A litter stiffer, shorter throw (takes less distance to activate the switch) and slighter lower to the stick. My hands are small so thats okay, but i feel like one would be cramped if they had larger hands (My opinion, not fact) lots of custom stuff for this stick out there as well.


    You know that Seimitsu make over 6 different joysticks, right?

    I was primarily talking about the ls32, i'll edit that
  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    Hi, everyone. I have a PS3 TE Round 2 for which I'd like to buy new parts. Since I'm in the market, I was considering buying a new stick altogether. I was thinking maybe there are sticks with better PCBs now (in terms of reliability or lag), especially since I'd be playing mostly on a PS4 now. SF5 has legacy stick support but the thought crossed my mind that a native PS4 stick might perform better. I would also consider buying a standalone PCB and swapping out the stock TE PCB if that's possible. Is there any benefit to getting a new stick/PCB or should I just replace the buttons and stick?
  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,319
    CYBORG COP wrote: »
    Hi, everyone. I have a PS3 TE Round 2 for which I'd like to buy new parts. Since I'm in the market, I was considering buying a new stick altogether. I was thinking maybe there are sticks with better PCBs now (in terms of reliability or lag), especially since I'd be playing mostly on a PS4 now. SF5 has legacy stick support but the thought crossed my mind that a native PS4 stick might perform better. I would also consider buying a standalone PCB and swapping out the stock TE PCB if that's possible. Is there any benefit to getting a new stick/PCB or should I just replace the buttons and stick?

    Given that your stick already has Sanwa parts, there's no reason to replace the buttons or stick unless they're worn out (in which case I'd sooner recommend saving yourself some money and simply replacing the microswitches) or you just want to try some different parts. As for the pcb, if you really don't want to mess with legacy support your easiest options would either be a Brook ps3 to ps4 converter or a Brook ps3/ps4/pc pcb. Do note that all Brook products will require occasional firmware updates to keep up with Sony's system updates. All that said, I don't think using native support is any "better", beyond the added convenience factor.
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  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    Given that your stick already has Sanwa parts, there's no reason to replace the buttons or stick unless they're worn out (in which case I'd sooner recommend saving yourself some money and simply replacing the microswitches) or you just want to try some different parts. As for the pcb, if you really don't want to mess with legacy support your easiest options would either be a Brook ps3 to ps4 converter or a Brook ps3/ps4/pc pcb. Do note that all Brook products will require occasional firmware updates to keep up with Sony's system updates. All that said, I don't think using native support is any "better", beyond the added convenience factor.

    Actually the reason I've been wanting to replace the parts is because somehow they feel off from the other Sanwa parts I've used, even compared to other TEs. Not so much the buttons, but the stick always felt a little gummy or lacked crisp movement if that makes any sense. Maybe I got a bad batch or it was refurbished, but I never bothered to send it back because of the hassle and figured I might adjust to it or wear it in, but unfortunately it still bugs me 6 years later lol. So with the new console generation I figured it would be a good time to upgrade, but I guess it's just the stick I need to swap out since I can deal with the inconvenience of using legacy support.

    So my next question would be are there any recommendations on where to buy parts, as I've never done that before. And what model stick replaces the stock TE, or are there any other stick recommendations? The biggest issue I have right now is the difficulty of dashing commands, i.e. double tap Forward/Back. Often I find that I don't return the stick far enough to register neutral before the second tap, so even though I've done the F, F motion, the game thinks I've just been holding F the whole time. Is there a stick that is better suited for dashing? (Off topic: To anyone in the business of designing sticks, maybe this could be achieved with optical sticks using separate sensors for the activation and deactivation of a direction. I.e. the stick doesn't need to be returned all the way back to the activation point to release the direction.)
  • OppaiSaurusOppaiSaurus Joined: Posts: 4
    Thank you very much for the reply!

    I think i might try different buttons as the sanwa buttons just feels..... off to me. I'm not really sure what it is. Might be my preference in keyboard transfer to the buttons. I prefer keys with tactile feedback like the Blue and Red cherry MX keys.

    As for the Joystick, I seem to like the JLF. Might try different springs. The seimitsu joystick with a shorter throw does sound very tempting.
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 412
    CYBORG COP wrote: »
    Given that your stick already has Sanwa parts, there's no reason to replace the buttons or stick unless they're worn out (in which case I'd sooner recommend saving yourself some money and simply replacing the microswitches) or you just want to try some different parts. As for the pcb, if you really don't want to mess with legacy support your easiest options would either be a Brook ps3 to ps4 converter or a Brook ps3/ps4/pc pcb. Do note that all Brook products will require occasional firmware updates to keep up with Sony's system updates. All that said, I don't think using native support is any "better", beyond the added convenience factor.

    Actually the reason I've been wanting to replace the parts is because somehow they feel off from the other Sanwa parts I've used, even compared to other TEs. Not so much the buttons, but the stick always felt a little gummy or lacked crisp movement if that makes any sense. Maybe I got a bad batch or it was refurbished, but I never bothered to send it back because of the hassle and figured I might adjust to it or wear it in, but unfortunately it still bugs me 6 years later lol. So with the new console generation I figured it would be a good time to upgrade, but I guess it's just the stick I need to swap out since I can deal with the inconvenience of using legacy support.

    So my next question would be are there any recommendations on where to buy parts, as I've never done that before. And what model stick replaces the stock TE, or are there any other stick recommendations? The biggest issue I have right now is the difficulty of dashing commands, i.e. double tap Forward/Back. Often I find that I don't return the stick far enough to register neutral before the second tap, so even though I've done the F, F motion, the game thinks I've just been holding F the whole time. Is there a stick that is better suited for dashing? (Off topic: To anyone in the business of designing sticks, maybe this could be achieved with optical sticks using separate sensors for the activation and deactivation of a direction. I.e. the stick doesn't need to be returned all the way back to the activation point to release the direction.)

    Theres three things you can do:
    Aplly new lubrication to the pivot, replace the spring and clean out the microswitches on your jlf. The cost shouldnt be more then a few dollars for the grease and the spring. I thing paradisearcade sells small quantities. You need shin etsu honda grease or molykote silicon grease.

    http://neostoicarcade.blogspot.be/2011/09/squeaky-sanwa-stick-solution.html

  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,319
    CYBORG COP wrote: »
    Given that your stick already has Sanwa parts, there's no reason to replace the buttons or stick unless they're worn out (in which case I'd sooner recommend saving yourself some money and simply replacing the microswitches) or you just want to try some different parts. As for the pcb, if you really don't want to mess with legacy support your easiest options would either be a Brook ps3 to ps4 converter or a Brook ps3/ps4/pc pcb. Do note that all Brook products will require occasional firmware updates to keep up with Sony's system updates. All that said, I don't think using native support is any "better", beyond the added convenience factor.

    Actually the reason I've been wanting to replace the parts is because somehow they feel off from the other Sanwa parts I've used, even compared to other TEs. Not so much the buttons, but the stick always felt a little gummy or lacked crisp movement if that makes any sense. Maybe I got a bad batch or it was refurbished, but I never bothered to send it back because of the hassle and figured I might adjust to it or wear it in, but unfortunately it still bugs me 6 years later lol. So with the new console generation I figured it would be a good time to upgrade, but I guess it's just the stick I need to swap out since I can deal with the inconvenience of using legacy support.

    So my next question would be are there any recommendations on where to buy parts, as I've never done that before. And what model stick replaces the stock TE, or are there any other stick recommendations? The biggest issue I have right now is the difficulty of dashing commands, i.e. double tap Forward/Back. Often I find that I don't return the stick far enough to register neutral before the second tap, so even though I've done the F, F motion, the game thinks I've just been holding F the whole time. Is there a stick that is better suited for dashing? (Off topic: To anyone in the business of designing sticks, maybe this could be achieved with optical sticks using separate sensors for the activation and deactivation of a direction. I.e. the stick doesn't need to be returned all the way back to the activation point to release the direction.)

    I recommend focusattack.com if you're in the US, very responsive with great service. As stated, lubricating the pivot in your jlf would be a good idea (and I'd part of general lever maintenance for any model), but it sounds like the characteristics of the jlf (long engage and long throw) are what's giving you the most grief. You can tighten both of those up with a kowal actuator, or better yet try a Seimitsu lever. I'm a big fan of the LS-56, many other here favor the 40, and the 32 is very popular in general, though it's pivot jump is huge and you have to learn not to use excessive force (which is ultimately a good thing for your levers in general). Do note that you will want a pcb variant since your stick uses a 5 pin connection- all pcb Seimitsu levers end in an -01, i.e. LS-56-01. Also, you will need an s-plate if you go with a 32, 38, or 40 in a typical jlf mount.
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  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    Thanks so much, guys. I will be looking into both those options (maintenance and new Seimitsu).
  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    edited November 2016
    Looks like I made a boo boo lol. So I opened the case and disassembled the stick completely to clean it. But now when I try to use it the only directions that register are Down and Down-Left. All of the buttons are fine. At first I thought it might be a mistake with how I oriented the miscroswitches when putting it back together, but the other directions don't even register, and I don't understand why Down-Left registers even though Left does not. Maybe I damaged some of the components? Or maybe it's something simple?
  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    Nevermind, im a noob, the pin out connector was on the wrong way :/
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 412
    So did you apply grease to the pivot?
  • CYBORG COPCYBORG COP CYBER COP Joined: Posts: 434
    Dubon wrote: »
    So did you apply grease to the pivot?

    For now I only cleaned off what grease was there. I figured it might perform worse since obviously the grease is part of the design, but surprisingly the condition did not worsen or improve. I may purchase new grease when I have a chance, along with a new joystick since I'm curious to see if it will improve my ability to dash quickly.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,932
    Yeah you want to purchase and apply new grease to the joystick.
    Even the smaller 1oz containers of grease will last you a while.
    I had 25oz tube for about 6 years now and haven't made a dent in it.
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  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Macho Madness Joined: Posts: 891
    President Camacho have you tried out the ls-62-01 yet? I've had ls-32's and ls-38's. I've got kowal actuators on the way for my 2lb Spring Octo gate jlf's. I keep going back and forth between sanwa and seimitsu for my joysticks and push buttons and can never seem to settle on one particular configuration.
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  • PresidentCamachoPresidentCamacho Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho Joined: Posts: 3,319
    President Camacho have you tried out the ls-62-01 yet? I've had ls-32's and ls-38's. I've got kowal actuators on the way for my 2lb Spring Octo gate jlf's. I keep going back and forth between sanwa and seimitsu for my joysticks and push buttons and can never seem to settle on one particular configuration.

    Yes, I've got one. It's basically just a 56 with a lighter spring, a shorter lever, and a stock octagonal gate rather than a stock square gate. It's good, but personally I like the extra tension of the 56.
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  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Macho Madness Joined: Posts: 891
    [/quote]Yes, I've got one. It's basically just a 56 with a lighter spring, a shorter lever, and a stock octagonal gate rather than a stock square gate. It's good, but personally I like the extra tension of the 56.[/quote]
    Thanks for your opinion on the subject. I think I'll try an ls-56 with an octo gate and order it tomorrow from FocusAttack.
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  • dav3ybdav3yb Quarter Man Joined: Posts: 1,119
    So what's the current best board for using with older consoles? PS1/2, dreamcast, original xbox era? Would it still be the cthulhu?
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    Yes, the MC Cthulhu.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 20,932
    Yes, the MC Cthulhu.

    MC Cthulhu is the best board for Retro consoles, the only old system it didn't support was the Sega Genesis/Megadrive.
    Mainly because how weird of a setup Sega made the controller setup for the Genesis.
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  • Wilde76Wilde76 Joined: Posts: 2
    Hi, everyone,

    Presently using a Madcatz PS3 Wireless Fightpad on PS4 USF4, mostly training my hands to actually play this on a gamepad.

    As I am tall, I have fairly sizeable hands, long fingers. I used to play many, many years ago only in arcade. I still have not played SF5.

    Thinking of making the jump to an arcade stick (first ever), because my left thumb is quite sore and button feedback is a bit odd on the fight pad. In any case, making the jump to a stick, there seems to be a dizzying array of options, mods, etc. This is primarily for everyday online play and friends.

    I think I've narrowed it down to the following:

    1. Qanba Q4 RAF.
    2. Hori RAP 4 Kai.
    3. Madcatz TE2+ (read about quality issues with this stick and its variants like the TES+)

    Sadly, I also noticed the new Ultimate MvC 3 just released at PSX does not have support for the Madcatz Wifi Fightpad.

    If anyone has any feedback and suggestions about the three above (or another), I would greatly appreciate it.

    Cheers,
    Wilde
  • NCK_FeroceNCK_Feroce Left behind Joined: Posts: 2,517
    Get the Hori, it's cheaper and has quality stuff on it. The TE2 is absurdly overpriced for what you get with,I don't know the Qanba that well and isn't ps4 official so you ended up to face issues if you wanna play SFV in the future (possible,but you have to keep the DualShock connected,a bit annoying).
  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    Wilde76 wrote: »
    Hi, everyone,

    Presently using a Madcatz PS3 Wireless Fightpad on PS4 USF4, mostly training my hands to actually play this on a gamepad.

    As I am tall, I have fairly sizeable hands, long fingers. I used to play many, many years ago only in arcade. I still have not played SF5.

    Thinking of making the jump to an arcade stick (first ever), because my left thumb is quite sore and button feedback is a bit odd on the fight pad. In any case, making the jump to a stick, there seems to be a dizzying array of options, mods, etc. This is primarily for everyday online play and friends.

    I think I've narrowed it down to the following:

    1. Qanba Q4 RAF.
    2. Hori RAP 4 Kai.
    3. Madcatz TE2+ (read about quality issues with this stick and its variants like the TES+)

    Sadly, I also noticed the new Ultimate MvC 3 just released at PSX does not have support for the Madcatz Wifi Fightpad.

    If anyone has any feedback and suggestions about the three above (or another), I would greatly appreciate it.

    Cheers,
    Wilde

    HRAP4 Kai, it's a good stick for the price. The Hayabusa is pretty good and some prefer it over the JLF, pretty customizable and uses almost all aftermarket JLF parts. The buttons are fine too, I prefer Sanwas myself, but the Hayabusa buttons aren't bad either. Of course wait next year and you could also have a Hori Fighting Edge as another option which was a sexy beast last gen.
    "I'm just nice" -Harry Potter
  • Wilde76Wilde76 Joined: Posts: 2
    Thanks to both of you.

    In your opinion, between the HRAP4 Kai and the the Madcatz TE S+ ? Is it worth the slightly extra money?

    Thanks!
  • sasquachsasquach MvC2 making a comeback 2017? Joined: Posts: 365
    Wilde76 wrote: »
    Thanks to both of you.

    In your opinion, between the HRAP4 Kai and the the Madcatz TE S+ ? Is it worth the slightly extra money?

    Thanks!

    I'd still get the HRAP4 Kai, equally good, but HRAP4 is just cheaper.
    "I'm just nice" -Harry Potter
  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 44
    edited December 2016
    Is the TE2+ a reliable stick? Mine has issues where the buttons don't work at times. I believe it's the PCB. I'm sending it in to get it repaired by MadCatz. However, I am unsure if I want to keep the stick because I keep hearing people with similar issues. Due the newer manufactured versions still have problem with the PCB? Or is the thing overblown? Is there a solderless PCB I can by if worse comes to worst? Is it easy to do?

    I also have an offer from someone who is willing to sell their Hori HRAP4 Kai to me for $75 (it has a broken door though). So I am considering selling the open box MadCatz and use the HRAP4 instead. However, I'm not sure how the HRAP4 Kai is either. Would you guys recommend that I keep the MadCatz and leave the HRAP4 alone, or sell the MadCatz and buy the HRAP4?
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  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 412
    The complaints about the te2+ pcb are pretty frequent. For someone looking for a new stick most people would recommend hori at this point, but in your case it depends on how much you could get for your te2+.
    There is a solderless replacement pcb option in the form of a UFB + ez mod, but the cost of the pcb + ezmod alone would be higher then what you can get the kai for. Also you would loose touchpad functionality since it looks like brook have canceled their plans for implementing it on the ufb.
  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 44
    edited December 2016
    How the hell does the most premium fightstick on the market have such a bad defective problem?

    Does the RAP4 use the same layout as Madcatz? If not, what's the advantages/disadvantages of its layout.
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 412
    edited December 2016
    Both use a variation of the vewlix layout, i think the kai has a bit more space between the stick and the buttons iirc, i cant imagine it beeing problematic.
    As for the te2+ issues. Madcatz sort of cashed in on their successes with their last gen sticks by jacking up the prices and offering a stick that looks a bit more premium. They had pcb issues last gen aswell, but their support was a bit better imo. The issues were more easily excusable as og te's could be found cheap during promotions anyway, adding an aftermarket. pcb would still add up to a relatively cheap good quality stick.

    I would argue that a vlx is more premium anyway.
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