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  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 47
    edited December 2016
    Is it likely for me to encounter another TE2+ with PCB issues with the replacement MadCatz sends me?
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 427
    edited December 2016
    no idea. Be sure to keep us posted if you do. That said, theres a fix for the pcb issue that involves soldering, as discovered by @Vicko . If youre up for it you can fix it permanently.
  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 47
    Dubon wrote: »
    no idea. Be sure to keep us posted if you do. That said, theres a fix for the pcb issue that involves soldering, as discovered by @Vicko . If youre up for it you can fix it permanently.

    Is it difficult?
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 427
    Theres a couple of threads about the TE2 where the fix is detailed. Iirc it involves soldering a resistor between vcc and the offending button, but its best to do a search.
  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 47
    I'll just buy the RAP4 and sell the TE2+. MadCatz can go screw themselves for selling such a "premium" defective product.
  • DubonDubon Joined: Posts: 427
    One thing i should mention: the hrap 4 uses hori made parts so maybe best to try it first. Many people keep the hayabusa stick that it comes with but replace the buttons with sanwa/seimitsu.
  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,710
    How the hell does the most premium fightstick on the market have such a bad defective problem?

    Does the RAP4 use the same layout as Madcatz? If not, what's the advantages/disadvantages of its layout.

    Majority of PS4-era sticks are hot garbage for a higher price point. It's simple. Offer an inferior product for more money to make more profit. Madcatz going back to their roots of making shitty controllers again I guess.

    But hey, they look pretty, so....

    RAP4 is okay, but for me it has unusual dimensions and is too light for my taste. But with quality Sanwa parts in there, it feels pretty good.
  • Flying PhoenixFlying Phoenix n00bity n00bity n00b n00b Joined: Posts: 47
    edited December 2016
    So I got the RAP4. It kinda feels a contrast to the Madcatz TE2+. I feel that "both have their advantages and disadvantages".

    The Madcatz feels like it's built much better than the Hori. Like a tank. Unfortunately, it is also significantly heavier and thus more difficult to lug around.

    The Hori did well not to have any buttons in front of the stick so I don't accidentally bump a button with my knee and end up hitting the pause button during a tournament (this actually happened). However, having the buttons on the side are a unintuitive.

    The Madcatz clamshell design is awesome. However, relying on taking off the cord and putting it inside the case is, very annoying and does more harm than good. Especially when at events like ComboBreaker.

    The Hori Hayabusa stick is a godsend. However, the Kuro buttons aren't "pushy" enough.

    All in all, I'd say that I like the design of the TE2+ better, but I prefer playing on the RAP4.

    A RAP 4 with a clamshell design and Sanwa buttons would be the best of both worlds.
  • STKSTK In...infinite Imagination! Joined: Posts: 322
    Does anyone have the rap4 color? is the stick to button spacing the same on the rap4 and rap4 color?
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  • DominicanPowerDominicanPower Shit Iz Real Joined: Posts: 1,067
    STK wrote: »
    Does anyone have the rap4 color? is the stick to button spacing the same on the rap4 and rap4 color?

    All the have the same layout. The button layout won't become an issue once you get use to it.
  • WhiteWulfWhiteWulf Joined: Posts: 3
    edited December 2016
    Hey everyone, I got some money for Christmas and I am thinking about picking up a VLX and I have a few questions. Is the build quality on the Kuro VLX better or worse than the Hayabusa VLX? It looks like the VLX doesn't have a PC switch on it, but I saw a few videos mentioning that it works on PC. Do I need to use any software like Xoutput to get it to work on PC or does it work out of the box?
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  • anzharanzhar five times Joined: Posts: 935
    same build quality

    the hayabusa version has x input for pc (red/black/silver version)
  • oodkoodk Joined: Posts: 316
    @WhiteWulf are you planning to use the VLX on your lap or on top of a desk?
  • WhiteWulfWhiteWulf Joined: Posts: 3
    edited December 2016
    @oodk Either or; I have a computer desk where my monitor sits with enough room for it and I could also use my lap. I also have a few smaller desks for when I want to use it on my PS4.

    This is my first major (>$100) arcade stick purchase and I haven't used anything of this size before. I love the retro look to it though and want a high quality stick that will last a long time. Are there any other sticks I should consider that match the VLX?
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  • oodkoodk Joined: Posts: 316
    @WhiteWulf look into the Qanba Dragon. Is a nice stick but doesn't give off the retro feel. Check out Panzer 3 @Jasen Hicks. Panzer 3 is amazing.
  • WhiteWulfWhiteWulf Joined: Posts: 3
    @oodk Yeah I was also heavily considering a Panzer 3 stick, but I saw a Used - Like New Hori Hayabusa VLX on sale at Amazon warehouse for $216 and grabbed it. If turns out to be in good shape, I was going to use that extra savings on a custom panel for the VLX by @Jasen Hicks if he plans on making any again in the future. Otherwise, I'll probably return it and get a Panzer.
  • EndRantEndRant Joined: Posts: 215
    amazon warehouse is usually really good when it comes to used things. that vlx is probably brand new that someone ended up returning for some reason.
  • oodkoodk Joined: Posts: 316
    @WhiteWulf I own both of those sticks. The Panzer 3 is on another level. The layout is amazing and the weight is perfect.
  • Jasen HicksJasen Hicks JasensCustoms.com Joined: Posts: 2,305
    WhiteWulf wrote: »
    @oodk Yeah I was also heavily considering a Panzer 3 stick, but I saw a Used - Like New Hori Hayabusa VLX on sale at Amazon warehouse for $216 and grabbed it. If turns out to be in good shape, I was going to use that extra savings on a custom panel for the VLX by @Jasen Hicks if he plans on making any again in the future. Otherwise, I'll probably return it and get a Panzer.

    Ill be adding more panels tonight for the VLX. No graphics ability right now because the printer is layed up due to another deployment coming.
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  • mikeoharamikeohara Old Man Hands Joined: Posts: 248 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited December 2016
    deleted post, post was shortened and posted to the Q&A catch-all sticky.
  • RevelationsRevelations Joined: Posts: 3
    Hey guys,

    I'm new to the FGC and am keen to buy my first stick (tekken mishima player). I'm currently looking at the omni korean stick from etokki but its sold out at the moment. I've contacted them but no reply so far.

    Would it be better for me to get the japanese omni arcade stick and the fanta korean stick and just put the fanta stick into the japanese box? Would that work?
    Alternatively I was thinking of getting the TES+ and putting a korean stick in there but I've been told the fanta stick won't fit, that I have to get a crown korean stick? Can anyone confirm?

    What option would you guys go with? If I'm going to play competitively with mishimas I may aswell put the money into a korean stick.

    Thanks in advance :)
  • sir_arthursir_arthur Joined: Posts: 1,549
    Hey guys,

    I'm new to the FGC and am keen to buy my first stick (tekken mishima player). I'm currently looking at the omni korean stick from etokki but its sold out at the moment. I've contacted them but no reply so far.

    Would it be better for me to get the japanese omni arcade stick and the fanta korean stick and just put the fanta stick into the japanese box? Would that work?
    Alternatively I was thinking of getting the TES+ and putting a korean stick in there but I've been told the fanta stick won't fit, that I have to get a crown korean stick? Can anyone confirm?

    What option would you guys go with? If I'm going to play competitively with mishimas I may aswell put the money into a korean stick.

    Thanks in advance :)

    There is one stick that uses Korean parts, but was a limited edition, it is the Madcatz SE Korean Edition, you can find more information here: http://shoryuken.com/2013/10/18/shoryuken-review-mad-catz-arcade-fightstick-korean-edition/

    Other than that, you will have a better time getting a custome case done than trying to fit one of those into a retail japanese case.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,965
    sir_arthur wrote: »
    Hey guys,

    I'm new to the FGC and am keen to buy my first stick (tekken mishima player). I'm currently looking at the omni korean stick from etokki but its sold out at the moment. I've contacted them but no reply so far.

    Would it be better for me to get the japanese omni arcade stick and the fanta korean stick and just put the fanta stick into the japanese box? Would that work?
    Alternatively I was thinking of getting the TES+ and putting a korean stick in there but I've been told the fanta stick won't fit, that I have to get a crown korean stick? Can anyone confirm?

    What option would you guys go with? If I'm going to play competitively with mishimas I may aswell put the money into a korean stick.

    Thanks in advance :)

    There is one stick that uses Korean parts, but was a limited edition, it is the Madcatz SE Korean Edition, you can find more information here: http://shoryuken.com/2013/10/18/shoryuken-review-mad-catz-arcade-fightstick-korean-edition/

    Other than that, you will have a better time getting a custome case done than trying to fit one of those into a retail japanese case.

    There is a line of Korean joytick intended for Japanese style stick mounts.
    It is the joysticks that the Mad Catz Korean Edition uses
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  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Macho Madness Joined: Posts: 904
    [/quote]There is a line of Korean joytick intended for Japanese style stick mounts.
    It is the joysticks that the Mad Catz Korean Edition uses [/quote]
    Most likely these https://www.focusattack.com/crown-cwl-307fj-jms-joystick-clear-red/
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,965
    There more info on the first page of the Korean parts thread if you want to read up on the joystick.
    You will need to replace the joystick wire harness or get a wireharness adapter
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • RevelationsRevelations Joined: Posts: 3
    Darksakul wrote: »
    There more info on the first page of the Korean parts thread if you want to read up on the joystick.
    You will need to replace the joystick wire harness or get a wireharness adapter

    Thanks will do.
  • sir_arthursir_arthur Joined: Posts: 1,549
    Darksakul wrote: »
    There more info on the first page of the Korean parts thread if you want to read up on the joystick.
    You will need to replace the joystick wire harness or get a wireharness adapter

    Ahh perfect, good to know, sorry for the confusion then if any lol
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,965
    sir_arthur wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    There more info on the first page of the Korean parts thread if you want to read up on the joystick.
    You will need to replace the joystick wire harness or get a wireharness adapter

    Ahh perfect, good to know, sorry for the confusion then if any lol

    Its cool.

    Here the link of any one is intrested
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/196736/korean-arcade-parts-discussion/p1

    There also a active group discussing mods and new parts for those who are interested.
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  • AshiiAshii Joined: Posts: 1
    Hey all,

    First post, just getting into the scene :) Just bought the TE2+ for $180 on sale @ Amazon, will hope for the best re: some of the relatively minor issues people have experienced. I'm sure I'll be more than happy with it as my first stick, yeah? :)

    If there are any glaring issues I'll return it, but hey, might as well try it out. If it doesn't work out, has anyone tried the Razer Panthera yet? Hot off the press... if so, would love to know how it compares to the TE2+, as from what I can tell, it fits into the same "easy to mod" category... That is, except for changing the main decal/artwork on the Panthera, which from what I read, appears to be very difficult for novices (or at least, non-handy people). From the few articles I read, there also seems to be some doubt about input lag, but the reviewers aren't entirely convinced it's a real issue, and it probably wouldn't be for me. Anyone have hands-on experience with the board in general?

    Cheers~
  • retrogamer513retrogamer513 Joined: Posts: 11
    edited February 28
    Hi guys,

    I want to buy a qanba q4 raf, since the ps360+ is out-of-stock everywhere (does anyone know why ?) and I want a pcb that supports my XBOX 360. (also I would want a 2nd stick sooner or later for 2 player games)
    I have an ultra ulia kit atm with full seimitsu parts.
    Main use of the qanba q4 on the xbox would be cave shoot em ups, so I'll probably swap my seimitsu ls-32 over to the qanba, which is hopefully possible.

    I did a bit of reading and I've read that some people are unhappy with the spacing between the stick and the first two buttons of the qanba q4, that it is too narrow.
    Now I'm trying to find out the stick-button distance difference, button spacing difference, between my ultra ulia (I'm quite happy with it) and the qanba q4.

    Can anyone tell me the spacing of the qanba q4 raf, is the button distance different too?
    Someone told me its a vewlix style layout, and the ultra ulia an astro city one

    Are the measurements from the picture http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/layout.html
    with the subtitle:

    This layout takes the arcade layout and shifts the top row a bit to the right. This is the precise layout used in Taito Vewlix cabinets. Note that the bottom index and middle finger buttons are closer than 36mm to one another; they will not work with nuts stocked with Sanwa screw-in buttons. )

    the exact same as for the qanba q4 raf? Or are the arcade stick measurements totally different from arcade panels themselves.
    Are there any other good options beside the q4 raf?
    170 Euros are quite a lot of money for me, so I want to get this one right ^^

    Thx

    Edit: Right now I saw the Mad Catz Ultra Street Fighter Arcade Fight-Stick Tournament Edition 2 (XBox 360) is up for delivery again in a few days to my country. Would this one be a better choice (I guess it also has the same spacings as the qanba) since I only need xbox360 and pc compatibility.
  • mikeoharamikeohara Old Man Hands Joined: Posts: 248 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
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    request moved to q&a thread to keep from getting banhammered.
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  • unaigalderunaigalder Joined: Posts: 70
    What opinion do you have about this stick Mortal Kombat Fight Stick?
    i think is better that Sanwa JLF because is made it by Suzo Happ but i not sure?
  • LittleJimmy1983LittleJimmy1983 Macho Madness Joined: Posts: 904
    unaigalder wrote: »
    What opinion do you have about this stick Mortal Kombat Fight Stick?
    i think is better that Sanwa JLF because is made it by Suzo Happ but i not sure?

    If you're referring to the MK classic stick that came out for PS3 and Xbox360 it used Suzo Happ which is not as good as IL. Comparing American style parts to Japanese parts is apples to oranges. Parts are a personal preference thing.
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  • HarleyBenistaHarleyBenista Joined: Posts: 31
    I am using Mad Cat C.T.R.L.R and I like it very much!
  • airdoojieairdoojie Joined: Posts: 55
    Is there a difference between using a PS4 TE2 versus an actual x-input 360 stick on PC? Or would the input delay between them be minuscule?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,965
    airdoojie wrote: »
    Is there a difference between using a PS4 TE2 versus an actual x-input 360 stick on PC? Or would the input delay between them be minuscule?

    If there is a difference in input delay, it's so small you will never know its there.

    The real difference is game compatibility. Some games are only compatible with Dinput (which is the older), some games only work with Xinput (Newer) and some can use both.
    Both D Input and X Input are parts of MS Direct X, of course the Xbox 360 and Xbone controllers a Xinput.
    There also software that makes Dinput controllers compatible with Xinput games.
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  • elbowslayerelbowslayer Joined: Posts: 2
    Is there up to date list that includes razor panthera and qanba dragon and obsidian? Curious how they rank
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    Ugh...enough of this input lag "ranking" nonsense. Let's just play video games without blaming hardware for our overt suckage...
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,965
    Is there up to date list that includes razor panthera and qanba dragon and obsidian? Curious how they rank

    No, there isnt. I don't have the time nor the resources to update the List.
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  • ReineReine (´・ω・`) Joined: Posts: 7
    edited May 24
    Hello!

    I'm now trying to decide which arcade stick to get but totally overwhelmed by the variety of sticks and all the tech terms.

    My main platform is PC. So I'd like to get a stick that works well with it, hopefully without modding. Honestly, modding scares me, so I'd like to get something that would work out of the box and first learn how to use it. :peace:

    I never owned a stick before so I have no idea how different buttons feel like and what I should look for. Once I tried a Hori stick at a local fighting game event and I remember I liked it a lot, but I don't know which model it was.

    I mainly play airdashers (BlazBlue, GuiltyGear etc) but occasionally go into 3D fighters too (Tekken, DoA). Still, 2D is my prime target :)

    So for now I'm thinking of getting Hori Real Arcade Pro 4 Kai. But I'm not entirely sure if that's ok for PC or I should look for something else.

    I'd be happy if someone could just point out a direction for me to look into. Or confirm the stick I chose is okay for what I'm looking for.

    Thanks in advance!
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    edited May 24
    A HRAP 4 Kai will suit you well for what you want. Hayabusa stick and buttons are really nice. It even has a toggle switch for PS4/PS3/PC(XInput). Enjoy.
  • ReineReine (´・ω・`) Joined: Posts: 7
    Thanks for the quick answer! I'll go for it then.

    Oh and I also got another question. The HRAP 4 Kai only works with PC and PS, right?
    Are there any other sticks that work for Xbox consoles as well (PC / PS / Xbox)? Or any sort of adapter to make HRAP work with Xbox?
    Even though PC is my priority right now I may still get one of the new consoles in future but I don't know which one . Would be great if the stick was still compatible with it.
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    edited May 24
    Well there's also a HRAP V Kai that's compatible with Xbox One, Xbox 360 and PC. It was recently discontinued, but I've seen some still stocked at retailers. So unless you want to swap the PCB with a Brook Universal, you're going to need to choose your console platforms of choice.

    Else you could just go "balls deep" and get a custom stick made with a Brook Universal Fight Board and call it a day. Here are a few options (DIY or Made to-Order):

    Jonyfraze (MDF)
    Jasen's Customs Panzer 3 (metal)
    Allfightsticks (metal)
  • ReineReine (´・ω・`) Joined: Posts: 7
    Alright! Thanks a lot for the info.

    I'll probably go for HRAP4 Kai as my first stick then, since I'm playing PC only at this point and not sure if I get a console anytime soon, so I guess console compatibility is less relevant for now.
    But if I do like the experience and decide that I need something more customised, I'll know where to look for!

    I also noticed there are some HRAP Tekken 7 edition coming out and there is one for XboxOne. Is it based on HRAP V? The shape of it looks a bit different from 4 I think.
    But I assume there is no difference in terms of compatibility with PC, whether I get HRAP 4 or V?
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    edited May 24
    HRAP 4 Kai or HRAP V Kai will both support XInput on PC.

    As far as the difference between this and the Tekken 7 stick, it's a completely different design. It will allow you to rest your palm on a flat surface, instead of on an incline. The layout is considerably different than the HRAP 4. It's got a Namco Noir (a variant of Sega Astro City 1P layout with wider joystick spacing), vs Taito Vewlix of the HRAP 4. Stick/button layouts are pure preference, but I personally can't stand the Noir layout-- as it requires too much elbow-tucking to hit everything well IMHO. However, also IMHO, the Tekken 7 case is MUCH nicer overall. I used to have one of these in the form of the Soulcalibur V stick a couple of years ago. If it had a Sega 2P or Vewlix layout, I would have kept it.
  • ReineReine (´・ω・`) Joined: Posts: 7
    Hmmm... I honestly have no idea how any of that feels like. I don't have any friends with arcade sticks to check them out and they're never on display in stores, only for online orders. So I can't really tell.
    But from your experience, you'd rather recommend Vewlix layout for someone who is new to this or it doesn't really matter?
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    edited May 24
    Take the inside of your right elbow and jam it to your abdomen. Keep it there. Play. Behold, the Sega 1P/ Namco Noir layout.

    If you're a stick it might serve you well. I'm a big boy though...it's just uncomfortable
  • ReineReine (´・ω・`) Joined: Posts: 7
    lol I see what you mean. Still unsure what would suit me better though. But probably won't know until I try.
    Kai case seems smaller on photo than Tekken edition. Is that true?

    Anyway, thanks a lot! That was really helpful!
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 876
    edited May 24
    The Tekken 7 stick is deeper but not as wide as the HRAP 4/V. Both are unobtrusively sized though.

    Kai, by the way, just means longer distance spacing for the joystick. Typical Vewlix (and all other HRAP 4/V) use a closer layout (JP models). Some people complain that close spacing makes them bump hands during play. I have gorilla hands and a closely spaced joystick has NEVER been a concern for me. I have no idea what those other people are doing with their hands during play.... probably the same folks who belly ache about cracking plexi panels and buttons LOL.
  • EldritchOnRyeEldritchOnRye Joined: Posts: 89
    Unless you're completely inflexible you'll realistically adapt to any decently designed stick with extended use.
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