What Stick/Controller Should I Buy? Read the Guide on Pg 1 Before Posting.

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The "what stick/controller should I get" Guide.

Warning: This thread is heavily opinionated as are the nature of any product review. Movie and game reviews are heavily opinionated as well.
As well all have contrasting views on what is good/acceptable, as rule from the moderators, we shall not devolve into a VERSUS thread.
Personal opinions are fine, trying to argue that your favorite stick is better will not be tolerated. Do not confuse opinion with fact and vise versa.
Your Results/Mileage will vary. And don't ask for us to make a choice for you, I am not holding anyone's hand.

When it comes to my own reviews, I will not go through and point out what is my own opinions from what is fact (as my prerogative), and I encourage everyone to do your own fact finding research before you make a final conclusion for yourself. That is what google is for, finding your own research and making your own decisions.

Stop asking for Promo codes for Mad Catz or other products.
Mad Catz has a front page ad on SRK's homepage. If there any codes to be had it be ether there or a insider like MarkMan will share with us the good news via a post in Tech Talk.
You will find out when everyone else dose.

I will come back and edit and update this thread as needed so if you spot something wrong, let me know. And you other experts on Tech Talk, feel free to add your own wisdom and insight.
Yeah I am not having that any more, because I am a jerk.

Keep in mind I am purposely leaving out many limited edition and/or collectors sticks, as it goes outside the intentions of the guide. Collectors are going to collect.

ATTENTION ALL READERS
And I also like to keep custom sticks off the thread entirely, Custom sticks are outside of the scope of this guide and is considered off topic. If you want a custom stick go to the
Need a Modder in Your Area? or you can try the Trading Post.

If you have questions for a mod try the search function here at SRK or
The Absolute Noobie Thread Or The Info Thread: Rules FAQs and Tutorials
Please do not post build questions here.

And do not ask about Converters, Converts can be found here.
Converter Compatibility Thread

Quick tip on searching the forums. Courtesy of RosserRooster
If you ever want to search SRK google : site:shoryuken.com and then beside it put what your looking for bookmark it It makes searching SRK and so much easier and efficient

SRK vets should really advertise this more maybe it would cut down on some of the repetitive question...nah it wouldn't because people are too lazy to search for answers


At no time I will rate Sanwa or Seimitsu with each other or IL and Happs, or Japanese vs US/European vs Korean style parts.

Before I start with the cool part of this guide, we will first cover three more important objectives.
And what you need to consider above all else.
  • Needs
  • Wants
  • Budget
Needs. This covers what you absolutely have to have, strip down and basic. With any purchase this is what you should think of first. When it comes to Video Game controls this is usually covered by the Default game pad, only a few games require specialized controls or controls modified for those who have special needs. Example a One handed controller for a gamer who only have one useable arm.
I am assuming most people reading this guide now are hardcore fighter or arcade game fans who the regular d-pad is not cutting it for you, as we all hear complaints over the Xbox 360 or PS3 D-pad.

Wants. This is what you have your heart set for. For most people this is your end results.

Budget. This is how much money you have to spend. Budget is the more realistic and sobering part of the purchase process. Typically a stick will run you 60 to 250 dollars U.S. retail this figure will change with what the normal market price is in your region of the world.
Any stick you find less than $50 is not worth your money and breaks easy. Sticks more than $200 are no longer considered Beginner Sticks.
My general rule of thumb on these things: when in doubt, pass. I'd rather pay the few extra dollars and get one that I KNOW works than one that may or may not. My peace of mind is worth a few extra dollars

If you find some cheap stick or pad somewhere from questionable sources, consider it highly risky and pass. Usually what is too good to be true usually is.

Keep in mind if you are broke (Budget), and the default game pad works fine enough for you (Need) that these 2 will and should over ride your Wants.

Now I am also going to cover other features of each stick/ controller here. These factors are also important to cover but goes secondary to the above. I be using this on almost every stick I list here.
  • Quality
  • Reliability
  • Ease of Modification
  • Purpose or special use
Quick Short Cuts
Mad Catz
Hori
Sega
American/ European Style , Korean Style, Qanba and others

Unless otherwise noted, each sticks are for the PS3 and the Xbox 360.

Difficulty Scale for Modding
From a scale of 1 to 5. This will factor in installing Buttons, Joysticks and replacement panels, and to a lesser extend PCB replacement.
This will not factor actual Dual-mods, replacement art or any painting.
  1. Easy: Standard parts drops right into place, reasonable access to all parts.
  2. Medium Easy: Still uses standard parts, access can be difficult/ time consuming
  3. Moderate Difficulty: Requires minor case modding or appropriate mount plates
  4. Medium hard: Requires some physical tool use to fit parts into place.
  5. Hard: Requires Heavy modding using tools to cut, grind or drill to fit replacement parts.
Last but not least I ask readers to go outside of this thread and do your research. Read reviews here on SRK and reviews on online stores and in magazines. Weigh the Pros and Cons before deciding which stick to get. And stop posting new threads on what stick you should buy, its why this thread is sticked.

How to Win at eBay.
Keep in mind eBay is not an online store. eBay is a listing and auction service, you are buying from that individual seller not eBay. And Every Seller is different.
For Experienced sellers who sold hundreds if not thousands, Look for sellers with a Feedback score of 99.5% rating or better. Huge time sellers with a 95% or lower are to be avoided like the plague. Pay attention to the text in the negative feedbacks, check to see if the negative feedbacks buyers actually have an issue or they are just jerks.
For people with a hundred sales or less, if they do not have a 100% rating, avoid them.

*When Bidding
Never, ever bid early. You only drive the price up higher.
Wait till the last possible minute, sometimes the last possible twelve seconds.
Also decide in advance the maximum you want to bid.

*How to know if you have a good price or not
Swing over to the reviews on PAGE 1 (it is required for this thread). I did not list the current price of a stick, I listed there original MSRP (or close to it). With the exception for huge collectors’ items avoid sticks that price them higher than I have them listed. (Examples Comic Con TE, Chun Li TE is going to be priced higher than other TEs) Many sellers have a terrible habit of over inflating the price of their sticks thinking the Market will bear, do not fall for it.
Also beware for sticks that are market high and are not in NEW/ Close to NEW condition. DO NOT pay full price on "customized sticks" with a few exceptions. Otherwise only pay full price on sticks that are keep stock.

Those exceptions are:
* Sticks that do not come as Full Sanwa or Full Seimitsu (they used knock off Parts instead of authentic parts) are modded to be all authentic buttons and joystick. Example finding a Mad Catz WWE Brawl Stick that has a JLF and Sanwa buttons installed. You should not pay any more than (approx) 10% more than the cost of the stick + cost of the new parts.
* Sticks that has been professionally Dual-Moded (if in doubt ask someone in SRK TT) The pricing should be cost of the stick + Dual Mod PCB Cost + 10% to 25% of the stick for labor.
* Older era (Decades old sticks such as SNES and Genesis/MegaDrive Era and back) sticks that are refurbish. Many of these are collector items.

As for buying online outside the United States? This is a tricky issue as each countries fighting game scene is different.
The market strong in Parts of Asia (like Japan or S. Korea), Europe (mostly Western Europe), Australia and Canada (maybe Mexico) otherwise you have to eat heavily shipping costs.
Tip for you guys overseas is try to find a seller in your home country first if possible, better if he is in your home province/area.
If that not possible look at neighboring Countries that are friendly to your own. Example You are living in Span, try a French, British or German Seller if you can't find someone in Spain (yes I know they are not right next to each other).

Here is another VERY GOOD guide for buying on eBay
It is on a website for cameras and photography but everything on that guide applies to arcade sticks as well. Just that all their examples are photography related.
http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/ebay/
P.S. Ken Rockwell is also having great advice and tips on photography.

Also there is no such thing as a "BEGINNER STICK" so do not ask. There are no Training Wheels in the FGC.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    Mad Catz Sticks

    Street Fighter IV SE. $59.99
    A basic 8 button arcade stick controller.

    Quality: Not bad overall, the stick body is nice and sturdy. The Joystick and buttons are clones of Sanwa Parts so actual Sanwa parts are perfect drop in replacements. Earlier releases of the SFIV SE stick have reported issues with the PCB or Printed Circuit board.

    Reliability: Except for the above mentioned PCB this stick is not bad. Perfect for a low cost beginner stick.

    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1. Sanwa parts are perfect drop in replacements and Seimitsu parts would also work well. PCB replacement is do-able because of the space underneath . Only replacement art is for the top panel is difficult to replace due to the bent int he angle of the top panel, plexy is not an option here.

    Tatsunoko vs. Capcom (Wii) $59.99
    Same body and lay out of the Street Fighter IV SE, but uses a different PCB dew to being made for the Nintendo Wii.

    Quality: Slightly better than the SFIV SE.

    Reliability: No reports of the Default Wii board dying

    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1.same as the SE.


    WWE Brawl SE. $79.99
    Similar to the above two. Same Body design and clone Sanwa parts, the Brawl stick as higher quality Stick and buttons that the other two.

    Quality: Better than the SFIV SE and on par if not better to the TvC

    Reliability: Mad Catz have improved with their PCB design so there no reported PCB failure.

    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1. Same as the SE and the TvC.

    Mad Catz Arcade FightStick Korean Edition. $79.99
    Same case construction to the rest of the "SE series".
    The Korean Edition uses the Crown CWJ-303A joystick (Korean joystick compatible with Japanese joystick mounts)
    The Buttons are Sanwa OBSF-30 buttons, which sets it apart from other SE style sticks.

    Quality: Uses a Crown Joystick and Sanwa buttons, this stick is close to the same quality level as the later TE arcade sticks.

    Reliability: None Reported

    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1. The KE uses a special harness adapter so that you can easily swap the Crown joystick for a Japanese joystick very easily.
    More Info here courtesy of D3v http://shoryuken.com/2013/10/18/shoryuken-review-mad-catz-arcade-fightstick-korean-edition/

    Mad Catz Tournament Edition
    I am purposely leaving out some of the more rare TE variations such as the Evo, Femme Fatal and Comic-Con edition sticks, as I do not recommend collector items for a beginners stick.

    Wider than the SE, with out the slant edge

    Round 1 TE $149,99
    Type 1, 1st gen TE. Wider layout than the SE, with a leveled flat top.
    Red IV artwork. This is the TE that had the most issues with the PCB.

    As with the Xbox 360 versions, they possess a xbox 360 [2.5 mm audio jack] mic port, the PS3 version lack the mic port. On the PS3 TEs instead of the mic port its place a small "square plug" is found in the plastic housing, This is normal.

    Quality: High better than the SE/ TvC series, Full Sanwa Parts
    Reliability: Has many issues with the PCB, this was improved with later versions of the TE.
    Also it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1. Uses standard Sanwa parts so it easy to mod. Plenty of 3rd party options for modding such as replacement panels and side pieces. Most common sticks to mod here on Tech Talk.

    TE Round 2 $149,99
    Type 2, 1st gen TE. Has SFIV Character Artwork. Slightly more reliable PCB but still has minor issues.
    Quality: High better than the SE/ TvC series, Full Sanwa Parts. Better out of the 2 First gen TE sticks,
    Reliability: Also it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    PCB Issues and the TE.
    Xbox 360 version: For those who are dual-modding with an TEasy Strike, when you open up your stick, printed on the board should be its Revision Version printed on the board. If you have Rev A, that is the problem board. If you have Rev B you will be fine. Rev A = bad. Rev B = Good. I was also under the impression that Rev B boards are more reliable

    PS3 Version: Because of USB protocol encoding or rather the kind of encoding use, The PS3 version of the TE has issues operating on PCs with Non-Intel USB controllers chipsets.
    I am not sure if this is limited to AMD chipsets or this is all Non-Intel.
    The exception to this is the PS3 Chun Li TE-S.

    Older TE PCBs are issues, the newer TE-S and TE S+ does not have the same issues, same with the Pro and VS sticks.

    Marvel VS Capcom 2 TE $159,99
    MvC 2 variation of the Round 2 Stick. Features MvC art. Different layout swaps the Ls and Rs buttons around.

    Quality: High Same as Round 2, Full Sanwa Parts.

    Reliability: it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.

    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    "Asian" TE (Xbox 360) Discontinued
    Same as the Round 1 TE. White and Silver Stick, lacks any game art.

    Quality: High Same as Round 1, Full Sanwa Parts.
    Reliability: N/A
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    BlazBlue TE $159.99
    Has the Round 1/2 side wings but the main case is similar to a TE-S (extra screw by the guide) has alternate button mapping (for BlazBlu) and BlazBlu Art.
    Quality: High Same as Round 2, Full Sanwa Parts.
    Reliability: it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    MvC3 TE $159.99
    Same as the Round 2 and MvC2 TE
    Quality: High Same as Round 2, Full Sanwa Parts.
    Reliability: it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    TE "S" $159.99
    Updated shell with extra screw by the turbo panel. Possess much better PCB. Uses the "extended size top Panel"
    Quality: High, improved over the Round 2.
    Reliability: None yet
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    Chun Li TE "S" $169.99
    The same TE S body but in transparent blue instead of White or Black. No Borders.
    Overall same construction as the TE S
    Quality: High same as Regular TE S.
    Reliability: Better PCB that rest of the TE family
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    MLG TE
    White balltop (PS3) black balltop (X360). MLG theme TE-S body with regular TE side wings.
    Quality: High same as Regular TE S.
    Reliability: Better PCB that rest of the TE family
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    The Tekken Hybrid TE (PS3 Only)
    Made directly for Namco to be bundled with the Tekken Hybrid PS3 game
    The Tekken Hybrid resembles an all black TE-S with a extended format top panel and no bezel.
    The Stick it self is plain black, no art work and the Namco branding on the sides in large red letters
    Quality: Compatible to the TE-S Arcade sticks, Stock sticks are Full Sanwa
    Reliability: Improved PCB over the TE/TE-S
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    The Soul Calibur V Soul Edition Fightstick

    Made simular to the TE-S line in terms of main body construction.
    The Soul Edition stick used the Namco Noir Layout (similar to the Sega Astro City) instead of the veiwlix style layout that dominated the SE, TE and TE-S lines.
    The Soul Edtion has a custom "Edge" bezel insted of the stock TE bezel. The Stick is also transparent with blue on the left edge and red on the right edge.
    Technically the Soul Edition is not a TE and it lacks the TE brand.
    Quality: Compatible to the TE-S Arcade sticks, Stock sticks are Full Sanwa
    Reliability: Improved PCB over the TE/TE-S
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/soulcalibur-v-arcade-fightstick-soul-edition-for-playstation-3-xbox-360.148132/
    http://www.d3vlicious.com/home/2011/10/25/madcatz-arcade-fightstick-soul-edition-announced-for-soul-ca.html


    TE S+
    The same body appearance from the TE-S but better constructed
    Quality: Higher
    Reliability: None reported, improved from the TE-S pcb
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1

    Additional Info on the Mad Catz TE series. courtesy of D3v.
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/te-differences.102355/


    TE 2 (Xbox One) Price $200
    Mad Catz first entry into the 8th generation of consoles.
    Quality: Full Sanwa
    Reliability: None to report
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1 Open Lid makes the stick easy to access, although the PCB is not common ground

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/179531/new-mcz-te2-for-xbox-one-already-confirmed

    Mad Catz Pro Level Non-TE arcade sticks

    Street Fighter X Tekken Fight Stick Pro (PS3/Xbox 360)
    Completely different body style from the TE series. The Guide area is moved to the right side of the arcade stick, and the Fight stick Pro is wider.
    Quality: Compatible to the TE-S Arcade sticks, Stock sticks are Full Sanwa
    Sturdier frame in the main body
    Reliability: Better PCB that the TE family
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1/2 (odd PCB placement compared to the TE).



    Street Fighter X Tekken Arcade Fight Stick VS (PS3/Xbox 360)
    Different body that rest of the Mad Catz sticks so far. Characterized by screws holding various parts and sections of the main case.
    The VS stick main body is modular/semi modular and offer a number of customization options including a optional kit to make two 1 player sticks into one big 2 player stick.

    Quality: Better than the TE-S Arcade sticks, Stock sticks are Full Sanwa
    Sturdier frame in the main body
    Reliability: Better PCB that the TE family
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 1. Art Hong shown there lots of modding potential behind the VS stick, more so than the TE series.
    Just a look at some possibilities with the VS. Definitely very easy to personalize. Templates coming soon, in the VS thread =)
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2013
    Hori Stick section
    Leaving out rare limited edition and game theme sticks as there non-game stick counterparts are listed.

    Quick identification key
    SE: Special Edition. All Seimitsu Parts
    SA: Special Addition. All Sanwa Parts

    Fighting Stick EX (OG Xbox)
    Quality: Different Case than the HRAP series. Metal top and bottom panels give the case strength but poor quality buttons.
    Reliability: Reports of the PCB acting up.
    Ease of Mod: Difficult 3.

    Fighting Stick EX2 (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Different Case than the HRAP series. Metal top and bottom panels give the case strength but poor quality buttons. There is also a DOA 3 variation of this stick.
    Reliability: Reports of the PCB acting up.
    Ease of Mod: Difficult 3.

    Fighting Stick Wii
    Quality: Different Case than the HRAP series. Metal top and bottom panels give the case strength but poor quality buttons.
    Reliability: Better than its Xbox 360 Counterpart (Above)
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3.

    HRAP 2 (PS2) Discontinued.
    Hori Stick and Buttons, Also comes in a number of color, SA and SE variations.
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy case.
    Reliability: No reports I seen of any issues.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2.

    HRAP EX (Xbox 360) $130.99
    Black color scheme, Sanwa JLF stick and Hori buttons. Also comes in SA and SE variations
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy case. Stock hori buttons are not that great.
    Reliability: No reports I seen of any issues.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Top panel requires bottom panel to be removed first. Non-common ground PCB. Buttons can be replaced with Sanwa or Seimitsu buttons easily. Universal stick mount.

    HRAP 3 $129.99 (PS3) Also comes in SA and possibly SE variations.
    Black case with Red Ball top and face buttons, select and start are yellow.Sanwa JLF stick and Hori buttons.
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy case. Stock buttons are not that great.
    Reliability: No reports I seen of any issues.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Top panel requires bottom panel to be removed first. Buttons can be replaced with Sanwa or Seimitsu buttons easily.

    HRAP 1 versions A & B (PS2)
    Sanwa JLF stick and Hori buttons
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy case. Stock buttons are not very good.
    Reliability: No reports I seen of any issues.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2/3. Top panel requires bottom panel to be removed first. Compatible with converters. Issues in mounting Seimitsu joysticks on Version B.

    Wireless Fighting Stick (PS3/Xbox 360) Includes that wireless Tekken 6 POS stick.
    Quality: All Plastic case is light but sturdy, Buttons could be better (seriously).
    Reliability: Reported concerns with drop inputs, lag. Users report that the input drops and lag is terrible.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3

    Fighting Stick VX $79.90 (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Very good. Uses Hori parts but built better than Fighting Stick EX2
    Reliability: No issues to report
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Common Ground: yes

    Fighting Stick V3 $69.90 (PS3)
    Quality: Very good. Uses Hori parts but built better than Fighting Stick EX2
    Reliability: No issues to report
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Common Ground: yes

    Note for Fighting Stick VX and V3: Yes the hori buttons are soldered to a PCB, but the PCB that the buttons are soldered to are not the main PCB but a secondary board that does not needed to be saved for button swaping.

    Real Arcade Pro.VX SA$139.99 (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Very good. Uses Sanwa parts
    Reliability: No issues to report
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Common Ground: yes

    Real Arcade Pro.V3 SA $129.99 (PS3)
    Quality: Very good. Uses Sanwa parts
    Reliability: No issues to report
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2. Common Ground: yes

    Hrap V3/VX comes in SA (Sanwa)
    Hrap V3/VX do not have buttons soldered to a PCB. The buttons are connected to Quick disconnects.

    HORI Real Arcade PRO.EX VLX $299.95
    Quality: Top of the line good
    Reliability: No issues to report
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1. Easy access top panel.

    Hori Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3 (PS3/ Xbox 360) $149.99

    Quality: All Sanwa
    Reliability: Very Good
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1. Common ground Yes


    Hori Soul Calibur V (PS3/ Xbox 360) $149.99
    Main construction is the same as the Gundam sticks, but the outer case differ greatly in design.

    Quality: Full Sanwa
    Reliability: Very Good
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1. Common ground Yes
    Note: flip door for start button

    Gundam Extreme VS (PS3/ Xbox 360) No US release yet
    Case/ Construction is the same as the Hori Soul Calibur V Stick
    Quality: Full Sanwa
    Reliability: Very Good
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1. Common ground Yes
    Note: flip door for start button

    Hori Real Arcade Pro N (PS3/ Xbox 360) $149.99
    Main construction is the same as the Gundam and soul cal, but the outer case appears to be smaller
    It also lacks a game theme

    Quality: Full Sanwa
    Reliability: Very Good
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1. Common ground Yes
    Note: flip door for start button

    Hori Fighting Edge
    Hori stick with premium Hori made parts, perty LEDs and a touch Panel

    Quality: Comparable to authentic parts, too bad Hori does not sell there parts seprately.
    Reliability: Very Good
    Ease of Mod:


    Additional Notes: The PS3 version appears to have a built in USB hub where the Mic appears to be on the Xbox 360 variant of the Soul Calibur V and Gundam sticks.

    Reference Link
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/hori-real-arcade-pro-faq-for-all-versions.13083/
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/new-hori-fighting-stick-vx-360-v3-ps3-thread.80619/
    http://forums.shoryuken.com/discussion/160006/hori-fighting-edge
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2013
    Sega Arcade Sticks

    Sega Virtua Stick HSS-0130 (Saturn or Dreamcast) Discontinued
    Large 2 Player controller appears similar (key word) to many Astrocity Arcade control Panels.
    Although many single player customizations exist.

    The HSS-0130 uses the same metal top panels as the Astrocity's controller panel but are constructed fundamentally differently. The HSS-0130 is Plastic with a metal top and bottom panel. While the Astrocity is mostly fiberglass and resin, same metal top panel, hinged construction and coin slot. Also the Astro City panel part of the Astrocity arcade Cabinet.

    Parts are normally ether Sanwa or Seimtsu

    Sega Virtua Stick HSS-0136 (Saturn or Dreamcast) Discontinued
    Similar in visual style to the HSS-0130 stick and the Astrocity panel.
    Made smaller and supports 1 player.

    Quality: Great case. Plastic main body with a upper and lower panels being metal.
    Older releases have quality Seimtsu parts, later versions suffer from cheap made Ascii parts.
    Older release great, later releases mediocre.
    Reliability: No reports of problems with the main PCB (made for Saturn). Dreamcast variant of the stick has an internal Saturn to dreamcast pcb that is poorly secured inside. The Adapter's PCB is wrap in bubble wrap and stick on with double sided tape.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3. Common ground board.


    Sega Virtua Stick HSS-0104 (Saturn) Discontinued
    US versions are Black plastic while the Asian version colors fit the Grey colored Asian Sega Saturn consoles.
    Not to be confused with the HSS-0136, the HSS-0104 is the cheaper made and more widely available of the Sega Saturn sticks. Using knock off parts and all plastic construction
    This stick is only recommended for collectors and those who wants a serious challenge to mod. Not recommended for modding.

    Virtua Stick High Grade (PS3)
    Minimalistic when it comes to art or features. Where this stick shines is in performance.
    Quality: Very good
    Reliability: Reported issues with First run PCBs.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2

    Agetech (Dreamcast) Disconntinued
    Quality: Excellent case and one of the better PCBs for dreamcast controllers. The Stick and buttons are below average
    Reliability: Not notch PCB, although buttons and stick are cheap they work well.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3/5 (depending on the mod taken). PCB is common ground. Modding the case to accept modern arcade parts is not easy, especially when modifying the metal top panel to accept 30mm buttons or modifying the case to accept a Sanwa JLW or a Seimitsu joystick. Modding for a Sanwa JLF is slightly easier.

    Razer (Xbox 360)
    (this review is based on the Beta version of the stick)
    The PC gaming accessory manufacture as developed their own stick.

    The stick features a clam shell design that makes it easy to acess the stick, optional storage compartments leave space for USB cord storage, extra ball or bat top, you can stick a whole bat top with a shaft for you Phreak-Mods Link users.

    Quality: On par with Mad Catz and Hori's better sticks. The Stick is stock as Full Sanwa.
    Reliability: No Complaints.
    Ease of Mod: 1, Common ground. Easy access case and the button wires are labeled.
    Honeycomb layer on the bottom of the case makes it easy to mount new parts inside.


    Ascii
    Ascii made a number of sticks for the PS1, PS2 and Dreamcast.
    There is also a USB version made for the PC.

    All Ascii brand sticks have the same basic body shape, Dreamcast versions have a VMU slot.
    All are 6 or 8 button controllers and used Ascii parts.

    Neo Geo

    Neo Geo stick (classic) (NEO-GEO CD and NEO-GEO AES)
    Uses a 4 button curved layout and a now discontinued Seimtsu joystick
    This stick sets the bar (in its time) for home arcade sticks.

    Neo Geo Stick 2 (PS/PS2)
    A Remake of the AES stick for the PS2, it included 4 smaller buttons for the shoulder buttons on ether side of the main 4 button layout.
    Note: 4 limited edition versions are made with various top panel design and colors.

    Neo Geo Stick 2 USB edition (PC/PS3)
    Same layout to the above stick but designed for USB. The USB edition lacks a PS or Home button for PS3 use.

    Neo Geo Stick 2 (Wii)
    Same as the above two but made for the Wii, cable plugs into a existing Wii Remote.
    Made for fans of Neo Geo games on the Wii. There no Home button on the stick, but the home button still can be accessed from the attached Wii Remote.

    Note: with the exception of the Original, the Neo Geo Stick is made more for the fans and enthusiast of Neo Geo games (and its ports to modern systems) rather than a stick to play more modern Fighting games on.

    Nintendo
    The NES Advantage (NES)
    Small plastic Stick, using arcade style parts. The A and B buttons had there own Turbo buttons with adjustment knobs to adjust turbo individually on each. the joystick's Ball top can be removed just like authentic Japanese Joysticks. The Joystick can accept Sanwa or Seimtsu Ball tops.
    Note: this stick is now only a collectors item and isn't easy to mod for modern system use.

    Exar Stick
    Normally Exar would go under my radar for sticks, but the current stock got noticed by some top level players and moders. So I am including Exar into the guide.

    Exar Stick (PS3)
    Small mostly plastic 6 button controller.Top panel is metal.
    Basic but gets the job done
    Quality: Surprisingly well for a small plastic stick like Exar
    Reliability: No issues to report.
    Ease of Mod: 2

    Exar Stick (PS3) Sanwa Edtion
    Same as above but featuring Sanwa parts insted of Exar's own.
    Small mostly plastic 6 button controller.Top panel is metal.
    Basic but gets the job done
    Quality: Surprisingly well for a small plastic stick like Exar. Uses Sanwa parts.
    Reliability: No issues to report.
    Ease of Mod: 2

    Exar Wii Stick (Wii)
    Nearly identical to the PS3 version of the stick minus cosmetic differences top panel is blue
    and the A,B, X,Y took the Super Famicon color scheme.
    The Tatsunoko VS. CAPCOM Dream Battle Stick is identical to its vanilla counterpart, except for the body color is reversed and licensed? TvC art.
    Quality: Surprisingly well for a small plastic stick like Exar
    Reliability: No issues to report.
    Ease of Mod: 2


    American/ European Style Sticks

    X-Arcade series (PC/PS2) Requires adapters for PS3 and Xbox 360 play

    X-Arcade Tankstick + Trackball $199.95
    2 Player Stick with a track ball in the middle.

    X-Arcade Dual Joystick $129.99
    2 Player Stick

    X-Arcade Solo Joystick $99.95
    1 Player stick.

    Quality: Wooden case is very sturdy. Although many complain on the quality of buttons and joysticks used. Used clones of Happ Parts.
    Reliability: No reports I seen for the PCB, main complain I saw was the low quality for the Joystick and buttons. Terrible Adapter system. Skip the adapters.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2 on non-track ball models. No data for the track ball model X-arcade stick.

    Note: Don't bet too much on X-arcade's brand of adapters. Check out the Converter Compatibility thread
    Note 2 : X-arcade has a undesired layout with the 2 extra lower end buttons.

    Pelican "Real Arcade" Stick (PS2/Game Cube/ Xbox) Discontinued. $64.99 on Amazon
    Quality: Wooden case is very sturdy. Knock off American style buttons and joystick.
    Reliability: Reports on original PCBs are now wearing out after years of use (misuse)
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 2
    Note: the packaging on this stick clams this is a Universal stick. Some owners refute this claim.

    MAS Systems Stick (Systems various) Price varies
    Quality: Wooden case is very sturdy. Mostly Happ Parts. Newer Models may have Perfect 360° and some models offer Sanwa buttons.
    Reliability: Earlier sticks used a custom PCB, later sticks lack a PCB altogether, having a hand wired PIC chip taped down with scotch tape.
    Newest wave of MAS sticks have actual PCBs again.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1.


    Mortal Kombat PDP Tournament Edition Arcade Stick $129.99 for stick alone or $149.99 for the MK Tournament edition (comes with MK game). Not Recommended for non-MK Games.
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy MDF. Uses Custom happ parts.
    Reliability: No issues reported
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3/4. Accepts Happ and IL parts. Dual-Mod not possible with stock PCB.
    Specialty: Mortal Kombat Layout

    Mortal Kombat PDP Klassic Edition Arcade Stick (comes with MK Arcade Klassic Kollection).
    Variant of the Tournament Edition Stick with Panel art inspired from the Original MK Cab art.
    Not Recommended for non-MK Games.
    Quality: Very sturdy and heavy MDF. Uses Custom happ parts.
    Reliability: No issues reported
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3/4. Accepts Happ and IL parts. Dual-Mod not possible with stock PCB.
    The Klassic Edition lacks the Tournament Edition's hinge and clasp to easily open up up the Mk stick. Screws holding the top panel in place are hidden under plastic screw covers on the front and back of the unit. So Opening up the Klassic Edition is more difficult.
    Specialty: Mortal Kombat Layout

    Nuby Tech Street Fighter Anniversary Collection Stick (PS2, Xbox) Discontinued
    Quality: Similar to X-arcade. Both have decent wooden construction but cheap Happ knock off parts.
    Reliability: NA
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 3. Accepts Happ/ IL Parts.

    Korean Style

    eTokki's Omni (PS3 and Xbox 360 Compatible) $150-$200
    Designed by SRK member Laugh and sold on etokki.com
    Well built Metal case. Accepts Korean and Japanese Buttons and joysticks. Comes as all Korean parts (Fanta Stick and Crown buttons) or all Japanese parts (Full Sanwa).
    will come stock with a PS3/Xbox360 dual system PCB (Paewang).

    Quality: From what I seen in photos and heard from Laught, the quality is top notch.
    Metal Case, Quality Korean or Japanese parts.
    Reliability: No known issues.
    Ease of Mod:1 Universally accepts Korean and Japanese parts with out case modification.
    Note: Uses the same PCB as the Paewang Revolution arcade stick.

    Saulabi: For Powerful Game

    Korean Wooden Stick [Saulabi] (PS2) $55
    Basic Wooden Stick housing, uses basic Saulabi parts.
    Quality: Wooden case is good, parts are less than top notch.
    Reliability: No issues reported. Reported Incompatibility issues with various converters.
    Ease of Mod: 3 or 4 rating due to buttons soldered to a PCB. Replaceable with Korean parts, could get away with Japanese Buttons.

    Saulabi SPS-3000 (PS2) $60
    Large Plastic Housing.
    Quality: Very Good case, generic buttons.
    Reliability: No issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: 3 or 4 rating due to buttons soldered to a PCB. Replaceable with Korean parts, could get away with Japanese Buttons.

    Saulabi 4K (PS3) $60
    Large Plastic Housing.
    Quality: Very Good case, generic buttons.
    Reliability: No issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: 3 or 4 rating due to buttons soldered to a PCB. Replaceable with Korean parts, could get away with Japanese Buttons (needs more info on Japanese buttons in Saulabi stick).

    Paewang Revolution (PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 on same PCB) $55
    White Plastic Stick.Valued more for the PCB than the rest of the Stick. eTokki does offer the PCB separately.
    Quality: Not that great but not terrible plastic case, knock off buttons and Stick.
    Reliability: PCB is good, Rest of the parts are not worth hanging on too.
    Ease of Mod: 3 maybe 4 as buttons are solders to a PCB, bust since this is not the main pcb, this board can be ditched for direct wiring.

    Joy Tron EXChanger Dual Console Arcade Stick (PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 on same PCB)
    http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/04/joy-tron-announces-exchanger-dual-console-arcade-stick-with-sanwa-or-korean-parts/

    Comes in Korean and Sanwa versions the Joy Tron EXChanger comes with a easy to open clam shell case.
    Quality: Plastic case with metal panels. More info is needed.
    Reliability: Uses a Datel PCB, similar to Datel's Dual-system stick and the Paewang in terms of function and performance
    Ease of Mod: 3, assumed to be common ground. Easy open panel and easy to disconnect wiring harnesses make it easy to swap from korean to sanwa joysticks with out having to re-wire the controller

    Chinese made sticks

    Qanba Q1(cut) (PS3, Xbox 360) $59.99 - 64.99
    Quality: All Plastic case, case does not seem as sturdy as it should. Comes in Qanba made parts or Full Sanwa versions. Cord storage compartment door breaks easily
    Reliability: Reports of occasional drop inputs
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1, some editions come with optional gates and button plugs

    Qanba Q2 (Non LED version) (PS3, Xbox 360)
    Quality: Plastic case, metal panels, Qanba in-house buttons and joystick, sturdy case. Cord storage compartment door breaks easily
    Reliability: Reports of occasional drop inputs
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1, some editions come with optional gates and button plugs

    Qanba Q2 (LED version) (PS3, Xbox 360)
    Quality: Plastic case, metal panels, Qanba in-house buttons and joystick, sturdy case. Case is chrome plated and weighs more than the TE. Cord storage compartment door breaks easily
    Reliability: Reports of occasional drop inputs
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1, some editions come with optional gates and button plugs
    Both versions of the Q2 as a side area for the Start, Select and home buttons and side cord storage.

    Qanba Q4 (PS3 OR Xbox 360)
    Quality:Rugged Plastic case with metal panels, Sanwa parts. Cord storage compartment door breaks easily
    Reliability: Reports of occasional drop inputs
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1, some editions come with optional gates and button plugs

    Qanba Q4RAF (Dual mode PS3 AND Xbox 360)
    Quality:Rugged Plastic case with metal panels, Sanwa parts. Cord storage compartment door breaks easily
    Reliability: Reports of occasional drop inputs
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1, some editions come with optional gates and button plugs

    Additional review
    Qanba Q4RAF (and Q4RAF variations)
    + Most (?) cost effective dual-modded sticks
    + Uses Sanwa parts
    + Parts are easily replaceable/swappable
    - Art work not so much; will at the very least require a new plexi
    - Wire cover door is on the same level as Hori with regards to frailty; i.e. expect this part to break easily and early in ownership (cosmetic issue)
    - Some questions about latency of PCBs
    + In my experience they provided pretty good customer service (wire cover door broke and they shipped a new one no questions asked; then one of the pins that held the door in place also broke -_-)

    Honestly there really isn't much to say. We could probably stand to have an up to date test of their PCB but otherwise they make a solid ABS plastic case and like everyone else have an eight button layout with Sanwa parts (though Arcadeshock.com does have some interesting Seimitsu variations for sale). I can also tell you that if you don't like the Crown sticks that have Japanese style mounting plates that if you want to get a custom panel made that there is enough space in the Q4RAF to fit a Myoungshin Fanta stick.

    Toodles Test of the Cthlhu vs the Qanba PCB
    http://shoryuken.com/2012/01/18/godlike-controls-responds-to-cthulhu-lag-issues-vs-eightarc-fusion/

    Note: It has been reported that Xbox 360/ Dual-Mode Xbox 360/PS3 variant of Qanba arcade sticks have major issues with the headset port.

    EightArc http://eightarc.com
    Eightarc is a partner compny of Qanba and some of there sticks have very Qanba like qualities, and all bear the Qanba logo. Unlike Qanba are the USB disconnects, top panel art, and the support of clear plastic panels for custom art mods (sold separately). Eightarc unlike Qanba does have US offices.

    From EightArc Listings
    • ISO PS3 Ebony – ABS plastic, PS3 & PC joystick for $139.99
    • ISO PS3 Onyx – MDF wood, black piano finish, PS3 & PC joystick for $154.99
    • ISO PS3 Pearl – MDF wood, white piano finish, PS3 & PC joystick for $154.99
    • ISO 360 Onyx – MDF wood, black piano finish, Xbox 360 joystick for $169.99
    • Fusion PS3 + 360 Ebony – ABS plastic, PS3, Xbox 360, & PC joystick for $184.99

    Ease of Mod: 1 Easy Access and accept stock Japanese parts.
    Eightarc do not make game themed sticks, so no unlicensed art.

    PDP/Qanba?

    Injustice Stick
    A PDP made stick with Bad Qanba clones of Sanwa parts. They light up (whoopie doo).
    Quality: The case is sturdy similar to a Mad Catz Case but very light. No Metal Panels. Crap Qanba Parts
    Reliability: Reports of issue with both the Pulse setting and for some drop inputs.
    Ease of Mod: Difficulty 1/2 depending on mod.
    Will take 30 mm Japanese buttons with no issues, It need modification to fit a Sanwa or Seimitsu Joystick. The PCB is common ground.
    Stock joystick takes some Sanwa parts.

    CUSTOMS (only listing you see for Customs)
    Custom Sticks. System and cost varies greatly with each.
    Minimum cost about $75-ish for a [very] cheap DIY project, as much as $500+ for some of the better made pro sticks. These sticks will greatly vary with the construction, parts used, PCB used and the Skills of the person building it. Customs goes outside of the scope of this guide.

    Try the Need a Modder in Your Area? thread or the trading outlet for Custom made sticks from builders/Modders in the SRK community.

    KEEP TALK OF CUSTOMS OFF THE THREAD.

    See http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/intro-rules-tutorials-info-read-before-posting.81882/#post-5353038 on various guide on building your own stick.

    Conclusion.

    Reading down this guide gives you basic information on each stick. I encourage future buyers to do additional research on there stick before continuing.

    My top picks. (Each Category is 1st on top scaling down)

    Budget Stick Choices:
    1: Mad Catz SE series $59.99 (That includes the TvC and WWE Sticks)
    2: Hori VX/V3 (not the Hrap VX/V3 Pro SA sticks)
    3: Mad Catz TE $149.99

    Modding Projects (Japanese Style Parts):
    1: Mad Catz TE S $149.99
    2: Razor Atrox or Mad Catz TE2
    3: Mad Catz SE (SE type) $59.99
    4: Newer Hori Hrap sticks.

    Modding Projects (US/Euro Style Parts): PS I don't recommend US/Euro Parts to newbies.
    1: MAS
    2: Pelican "Real Arcade"
    3: Nuby Tech SF Stick (Somewhat of a collectors item)


    Modding Projects (Korean Style):
    1. Laugh's Omni $150- $200
    2. Tie: Saulabi SPS 3000 and Saulabi 4k $139.99

    My view on Overseas Imports (this is directed to mostly US gamers).
    Sticks found overseas are nice but for a beginner I feel (for the most part) a beginner needs to stick to what they can find Domestically. This does not apply to Regions of the World where you been SOL over ordering good sticks. Keep in mind I have little to no information on finding sticks outside of the US or Japan.
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    there is a unwritten rule that every Full Moon some clueless poster has to stumble into this forum and tout their own perception as hard fact.
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    Stick-less Arcade Controllers

    HitBox http://www.hitboxarcade.com/

    Systems: PS3 ($159.99). Multi-system (Xbox 360 and PS3) ($225.00)
    Quality: Full Sanwa and a Toodles PS3 Cthulhu with custom SOCD controller firmware or a PS360+ PCB with custom SOCD controller firmware for the Multi-system version
    Reliability: No Issues to Report.
    Ease of Mods: Difficulty 2. Common Ground: yes. Easy Access and standard a Toodles PS3 Cthulhu.
    Note: PCB is glued down heavily to the internal MDF case and is covered in a type of hotglue

    Please do not post Hit Box questions in this thread.

    Please direct HitBox questions to the following link
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/hit-box-take-control-updated-september-10th.122799/
    Any other Stick-less arcade controllers can be addressed here
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/the-stickless-arcade-stick-thread.140307/

    Game Pads

    Here I list game pads, including some pads from now disconnected systems as a comparison.
    Mod info is included for those who are shopping for pads to use for PCBs.
    Mod info is listed as Common ground, Non-common ground and N/A as information not available and a ease of mod score to rate how difficult the pad is to wire up.
    My default no pad is a difficulty of 1 for modding as soldering (or some other technique) is involved.

    Nintendo SNES Game Pad (SNES) Discontinued.
    Quality: Very Good. This pad set the standards for pad since.
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes, Difficulty 2

    Ascii Pad (SNES)
    Quality: Very Good. Almost like Nintendo's
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: ?, Difficulty 2
    Has Switches to toggle turbo for each button.

    *Note for SNES/SFC The European version of the SNES, the PAL version does not accept US and Japanese controllers with out some modification.
    Exand wrote: »
    SNES controller compatibility between regions:
    http://gamesx.com/wiki/doku.php?id=controls:snes_con_region_fix

    Sega Saturn Pad Type 1 [MK 80100] (Sega Saturn) Discontinued
    Quality: Extremely Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2

    Sega Saturn Pad Type 2 [MK 80116] (Sega Saturn) Discontinued
    Quality: Extremely Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2

    Super Pad 8 (Sega Saturn)
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues to report.
    Ease of Mod: Common ground: yes, Difficulty 2

    Note: MK 80116 is the most preferred game pad of Japanese pad players. Often used with a converter for other systems if converters can be found.

    Sony Digital Controller (PS1) discontinued
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Complaints made with the unique (now trademark) design for the d-pad.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes, Difficulty 2

    Sony Analog Controller [pre-dual shock] (PS1) discontinued, RARE
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: ?, Difficulty ?
    Note: No Rumble Support

    Sony Dual Shock [1] (PS1)
    Quality: Very Good. So good that the Dual-Shock is the number 1 most copied controller design, and it has influence other systems controllers.
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes (except Rev H), Difficulty varies with revision. 2 to 4

    See Slag Coin for hardware revisions Obviously the pads with the plastic membrane instead of a actual daughter board are harder to hack.
    http://www.slagcoin.com/joystick/pcb_wiring.html

    Slag Coin Warring: Avoid Rev H Dual Shock pads if you plan to mod them. For regular play the are fine.

    Sony Dual Shock 2 (PS2) $15 to $25
    Quality: Very Good. Based off of the PS1 Dual Shock, but has "analog" buttons.
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No. Difficulty 4-5. For pad hacking avoid all except the Late version A.

    Nubytech Street Fighter Controller (PS2, Xbox) Disconintued [Collectors Item]
    Quality: Very Good. Based off of the PS1 Dual Shock, but has "analog" buttons.
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes, Difficulty 2.

    Xbox L (Large Sized) (Xbox)
    Quality: Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Although this pad is large and difficult to hold for some players.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes, Difficulty 3 (triggers)

    Xbox S (Small Sized) (Xbox)
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes, Difficulty 3 (triggers)

    Sony Six Axis (PS3)
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 2 (with 3rd party adapter board)
    4 solo

    Sony Dual Shock 3 (PS3)
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 2 (with 3rd party adapter board)
    4 solo. Some later revisions are not compatible with adapter boards.

    Microsoft sidewinder game pad. Game port version (PC)
    Quality: Very Good. Why can't Xbox 360 controllers made like this?
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common ground: Yes, Difficulty 3.

    Microsoft sidewinder game pad Pro. USB version (PC)
    Quality: Very Good. Why can't Xbox 360 controllers made like this?
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common ground: Yes, Difficulty 3.

    Note:
    For some ill-conceived reason the whole Sidewinder series of game pads are not supported under Microsoft's Games for Windows initiative which many PC games now carries. Instead they op for the Xbox 360 Controller (Why?)
    USB version works under Vista/ Win 7 with out drivers

    Mircosoft's Xbox 360 Wired Game Controller (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. D-pad is Terrible, not very good for fighters.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion

    Mircosoft's Xbox 360 Wireless Game Controller (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Good
    Reliability: Few players report lag, this is unconfirmed. D-pad is Terrible, not very good for fighters.
    Ease of Mod: Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion
    Batteries are required, ether AA or Microsoft's Battery pack kit.

    Hori turbo command ex 2 (Xbox 360)
    Not a fight pad, but has a 6 button front layout as it was one.
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Actual functional d-pad.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion

    Hori Fighting Commander 3 (PS3)
    6 button layout fight pad.
    Quality: Very Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Actual functional d-pad.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion

    Mad Catz Xbox 360 Pad 4716 (early version) (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Good
    Reliability: Some claim the pad will break after 6 months. Use of PCB for customs/ mods are fine. At least the D-pad is useable unlike MS Xbox 360 pad.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: No, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion

    Mad Catz Xbox 360 Pad 4716 (Late version) (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported. At least the D-pad is useable unlike MS Xbox 360 pad.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: YES, Difficulty 3. might require Trigger inversion
    2nd most recommended Xbox 360 PCB for Dual-Mods

    Neo Geo Pad (Neo Geo AVS, CD and MVS)
    Quality: Good.
    Reliability: Excessive grinding in the thumb stick.
    Ease of Mod: Common ground: Yes, Difficulty 2. No PCB. The controller connects directly to the system's main board. Easy to wire adapters for Jamma connections with a custom adapter. Uses a 15 pin connector so easy to make a adapter (with a host controller board) to use with modern systems

    Neo Geo Pad (PS3) RARE [Collectors item]
    Quality: Very Good.
    Reliability: No major issues reported. The issue with excessive grinding in the thumb stick is elimnated.
    Ease of Mod: N/A

    Sega Saturn PS2 Pad (PS2) Discontinued, RARE [Collectors item]
    Near duplicate of Sega Saturn Pad Type 2 [MK 80116] except for the Sony style Select and Start buttons. As both Saturn and PS2 button labels.
    Quality: Extremely Good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: (Why) Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2
    Note: comes in serval color variations

    Mad Catz Fight Pad (both SF and WWE) Xbox 360 Versions
    Quality: Very Good.
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Wired controller.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: YES, Difficulty 2.
    Most Recommended PCB for Customs and Dual Mods

    Mad Catz Fight Pad (both SF and WWE) PS3Versions
    Quality: Very Good.
    Reliability: No major issues reported. Wireless Controller, comes with USB dongle.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: N/A, Difficulty 3.
    Some how the Xbox 360 version is more reliable that the PS3 version.

    PDP Fight Pad, Marvel (not MvC) (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Good. Thumb stick has similar issues to the original Neo Geo pad.
    Reliability: Reports of failure after a few months. While it works this pad was very responsive, like a high quality stick.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes but logic is held high as default making dual-mods next to impossible, Difficulty 3 if this is a solo PCB, Difficulty 6 if dual-mod is attempted as each button and the directions need to be hacked with a diode.

    Note: Nothing has a difficulty 6 rating other than the PDP Fight Pad for Dual-Mods

    Also please not this is not a Marvel vs Capcom 3 Pad, So stop calling it a MvC 3 pad.
    Capcom never authorized PDP to make any product. This is a strictly a Marvel pad, pad art is literately scanned from a Avengers Comic 2 page spread action panel, including the crease where the 2 pages meet. Due to it not being Capcom authorized, Marvel ended up pulling Licensing to avoid being confused with MVC branded Mad Catz products.

    PDP Fight Pad (2nd revision, White) (Xbox 360)
    Quality: Below the SNES Standard. Better than the older Marvel pad. Button colors gives the pad a look of being cheap. Even if the quality is physically better. Thumb stick has similar issues to the original Neo Geo pad.
    Reliability: Some Reports of failure after a few months. While it works this pad was very responsive, like a high quality stick.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes but logic is held high as default, Difficulty 3 if this is a solo PCB, 6 if dual-mod is attempted as each button and the directions need to be hacked with a diode.

    PDP Fight Pad (Black) (PS3)
    Quality: Good. Better than the older Marvel pad. Looks better Quality than the Xbox 360 version) Thumb stick has similar issues to the original Neo Geo pad.
    Reliability: Reports of failure after a few months. While it works this pad was very responsive, like a high quality stick.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: Yes but logic is held high as default, Difficulty 3 if this is a solo PCB, 6 if dual-mod is attempted as each button and the directions need to be hacked with a diode.

    PDP Fight Pad (Wii)
    Quality: Good. Minus the thumb stick this pad is almost up to Nintendo standards.
    Thumb stick has similar issues to the original Neo Geo pad.
    Reliability: N/A While it works this pad was very responsive, like a high quality stick.
    Ease of Mod:

    ASCII Fight Pad (PS1/2, Saturn, Dreamcast).
    Quality: Very Very Good, compairable to Sega Saturn Pad Type 2 [MK 80116]
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2

    Nintendo Game Cube Controller (Game Cube)
    Quality: Very good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2

    Nintendo Game Cube Wave Bird Controller (Game Cube)
    Quality: Very good. Wireless has to be set to the same channel on the controller and receiver.
    Reliability: If set correctly and no one else is operating in range in the same channel your fine.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: N/A , Difficulty ?. Not Recommended for Stick mods.

    Nintendo Classic Controller (Wii)
    Quality: Very good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2
    Note: Requires to be plugged into a Wii remote.

    Nintendo Classic Controller Pro(Wii)
    Same as above, includes elongated side grips like a game cube or more so a Dual Shock controller would have.
    Quality: Very good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2
    Note: Requires to be plugged into a Wii remote.

    Nintendo Classic Controller, Super Famicom Edition (Wii) Rare, Collectible.
    Resembles a Japanese Super Famicom (SNES) controller. Lacks analog sticks.
    Quality: Very good
    Reliability: No major issues reported.
    Ease of Mod: Common Ground: yes , Difficulty 2
    Note: Requires to be plugged into a Wii remote.
    Post edited by Darksakul on
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  • DonkeyBlonkeyDonkeyBlonkey Part-Time Warrior/Soldier! Joined: Posts: 1,406 ✭✭
    Hmmm. Sticky?
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hmmm. Sticky?
    I will request a sticky when I get this guide more polished off and organized.
    I want to cover the Needs, Wants and Budget area more. And I need a good beginning or intro and a good summary later on.
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  • zeththedarkmagezeththedarkmage Standing Fierce all day Joined: Posts: 677
    Qanba q3 and q4 should be added to this.
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  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭
    Hmmm. Sticky?
    I see what you did there :rolleyes:
    Seimitsu & K-sticks > Sanwa JLF.
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  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭✭
    Your description of the HRAP 2 SA is inaccurate. It uses ALL Sanwa parts as every HRAP SA (1, 2, 3, V3) does. High-quality all-around. Limited edition. Considered a highly desirable PS2 joystick.

    Most HRAP SA editions (1/2/3) have been accompanied by a corresponding HRAP SE (1/3) with the exception of the HRAP 2 SA. SE standards for "Special Edition" aka Seimitsu Edition. (SA stands for "Special Addition" aka Sanwa Edition.) All HRAP SE variants have LS-32-01 joysticks. The HRAP (1) SE had higher-quality Seimitsu PS-14-?? buttons that are out-of-production. The HRAP 3 SE had PS-14-G (30mm) and PS-14-D (24mm) pushbuttons. No official HRAP 2 SE variant was ever produced. HRAP SE's (1 and 3) were produced in very limited numbers and are among the hardest HRAP variants to obtain post pre-orders...

    Faceplate joystick mounts differ between the HRAP series production. Initial HRAP 1's had universal joystick mounts allowing for easy replacement of the JLF with Seimitsu brand joysticks. Later Version B HRAP 1's had JLF-only joystick mounts. HRAP 2's (according to the info I've read) were all universal excepting HRAP 2 licensed variants such as Arcana Heart 1/2, Fate: Stay Night/Unlimited Codes, and Tekken 5 (Japan). HRAP 3 production reserved universal mounts solely for HRAP 3 SA/SE joysticks and JLF-only mounts for standard HRAP 3's and HRAP 3 variants.
    JLF's mount on universal mounts (HRAP SA/SE series) with the Sanwa JLF flat plate. JLF's mount on non-universal mounts without the flat plate. JLF's are screwed onto the non-universal faceplate mount by the plastic "wings" incorporated into the JLF design casing.
    The non-universal mount issue has been countered by direct faceplate mods and alternate drilling/modded joystick plates as well as joystick lever/shaft extensions (for LS-32 and LS-40 series). Seimitsu joysticks can be mounted to the non-universal mount with alternate Seimitsu mounting plates; note the LS-32/LS-40 series will only mount (unmodded) with the flat mounting plate that is standard equipment for the LS-32 (no -01) and LS-40-01 joysticks. LS-56-01 will mount directly onto the non-universal mount with no swapped mounting plates or shaft extensions necessary. Note that mounting of any non-Japanese or alternate Sanwa joysticks will most likely entail severe modding of the HRAP 3 faceplate up to and including removal of the existing welded joystick mount.

    Another distinction between top of the line HRAP SA/SE joysticks and standard production joysticks are the cap socket/button head screws that allow for easy faceplate removal on the SA/SE lines. Standard production HRAP's have carriage bolts that secure the faceplate to the main case body. The cap sockets allow for faster removal of the SA/SE faceplates versus having to remove the baseplate and 20+ screws, hex nuts, and washers on standard production HRAP's before the case interior becomes accessible! An easy mod for the standard HRAP's is to glue the existing hex nuts in place under the carriage bolt holes and replace the carriage bolts with M4 button head screws or alternates to allow for easy faceplate removal.

    The faceplates on the HRAP 2 SA and HRAP 3 SA/SE feature mildly reflective carbon fiber backgrounds on their faceplates. Standard HRAP 3's have a faux carbon fiber background printed on a dark grey faceplate sticker.

    The standard production HRAP's (1/2/3; no SA or SE) and licensed HRAP variants (Arcana Heart 2/3, Tekken 5 US edition, Fate: Stay Night, etc.) are the HRAP's with the (disappointing) Hori stock buttons. Standard production HRAP's have quick disconnect buttons allowing easy swapout for Sanwa and Seimitsu pushbuttons.

    Also, note that most licensed HRAP variants have JLF joysticks but pushbuttons are Hori stock soldered directly into the PCB board (making them a nightmare to mod for beginning modders).
    The American Tekken 5 joystick uses an HRAP case but otherwise all-Hori parts including a Hori joystick (no JLF) and PCB-soldered buttons as noted above.
    The Tekken 6 HRAP 3 variant (Japan-only) is different... It has quick disconnects for the buttons and the spacing between the 20mm and 30mm buttons are different. Incompatible with existing plexi's offered by Art Hong. The Tekken 6 HRAP was the last HRAP variant manufactured in the either the HRAP 2 and 3 series.

    The Arcana Heart 1/2 HRAP variants have a different PCB than their sister HRAP variants. The PCB reflects the button layout unique to the Arcana Heart fighting game series and does not follow standard Playstation button layouts. The Arcana variant PCB's are also more susceptible to damage due to more sensitive tracing. (They break easier under soldering irons if exposed to soldering iron heat too long.)

    HRAP 1/2/3 SA are all out-of-production; they were limited production to begin with. HRAP 1/3 SE are also out-of-production. There is still some question as to whether the standard HRAP 3 is still in production since the variant can be easily found online and purchased at MSRP prices.
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    Also, note that most licensed HRAP variants have JLF joysticks but pushbuttons are Hori stock soldered directly into the PCB board (making them a nightmare to mod for beginning modders).
    The American Tekken 5 joystick uses an HRAP case but otherwise all-Hori parts including a Hori joystick (no JLF) and PCB-soldered buttons as noted above.
    The Tekken 6 HRAP 3 variant (Japan-only) is different... It has quick disconnects for the buttons and the spacing between the 20mm and 30mm buttons are different. Incompatible with existing plexi's offered by Art Hong. The Tekken 6 HRAP was the last HRAP variant manufactured in the either the HRAP 2 and 3 series.

    If I recall correctly, only the Asian/JDM Tekken 6 HRAP was actually officiall called a "HRAP."
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Keep in mind this is a beginners Buying guide, Not a modding guide. I only include limited mod info for the purpose of selecting a stick to purchase. I am not concern with the actual in depth modding or each variation of each stick as it goes outside of the scope of what I want to do here. If anything I will scale back the modding info. The Sticks I did marked with a price is still sold with a MSRP price tag as per Google searches for online retail stores and Amazon.

    GeorgeC thats alot of info I will take it into consideration. Maybe a rating system for Ease of Mods would be a good idea

    I forgot about Qanba.
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  • nakadishnakadish Joined: Posts: 452
    I don't know if you have this in mind already, but you should have a section about custom sticks.
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    Honestly, if you want Sanwa out of the box, nothing beats the Hori V3.
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    the next stick on my list to get is the VLX :D then i'll mod to be all seimitsu :P
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't know if you have this in mind already, but you should have a section about custom sticks.
    I not going to do Customs the same way I did commercial sticks. Every custom stick is unique. To a Beginner A Custom might be over their head or out of the range of their budget. So I have to think this over carefully. In hind sight I might decide to leave alot out on purpose just because as a beginner guide you do not want to over whelm the poor beginner who only wants a basic stick to play his 1 fighting game on.
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  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    Honestly, if you want Sanwa out of the box, nothing beats the Hori V3.
    Let's keep simple, non-technical generalizations like this out of this thread please.
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  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    *Note: Older releases of the TE the ones with a Rev A PCB have reliability issues.

    How serious is this? Because I was planning to buy a round 1 stick.
    And if it does break, is it easy to fix or replace? (yes I'm still a stick newb)
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    *Note: Older releases of the TE the ones with a Rev A PCB have reliability issues.

    How serious is this? Because I was planning to buy a round 1 stick.
    And if it does break, is it easy to fix or replace? (yes I'm still a stick newb)
    What console. I believe it's the XBox 360 Rev A that had problems with the HK button due to static I believe.
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  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    What console. I believe it's the XBox 360 Rev A that had problems with the HK button due to static I believe.

    Ooh it's on ps3. Glad to hear that =) (Well it still sucks ofcourse)
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    Mad Catz Tournament Edition or TE series. $145 to $175 not including Special or Limited editions.
    Wider layout than the SE, with a leveled flat top. The TE also features a compartment for USB cable storage. The are some minor variations between different TE sticks, most are cosmetic.
    *Note: Older releases of the TE the ones with a Rev A PCB have reliability issues.

    Quality: High better than the SE/ TvC series, Full Sanwa Parts

    Reliability: Older version had issues with the PCB, this was improved with the Rev B board.
    Also it been reported that the door to the cable compartment can break.

    Ease of Mods: Uses standard Sanwa parts so it easy to mod. Plenty of 3rd party options for modding such as replacement panels and side pieces. Most common sticks to mod here on Tech Talk.

    Additional Info on the Mad Catz TE series. courtesy of D3v.
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/te-differences.102355/
    Hmm, I believe this should be expanded a bit. At the very least, the TE 'S' should be separate from the TE. Also need clear indication which ones have the Rev B board.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I though only the Round 1 TEs ever had the Rev A board. That later models had the Rev B.
    And I understood that the TE S series have a completely different board from the Rev A and Rev B.
    Correct me if I am wrong.

    Making up a Difficulty Scale for Modding
    From a scale of 1 to 5. This will factor in installing Buttons, Joysticks and replacement panels.
    This will not factor replacement art or any painting.

    1. Easy: Standard parts drops right into place, reasonable access to all parts.
    2 Medium Easy: Still uses standard parts, access can be difficult/ time consuming
    3 Moderate Difficulty: Requires minor case modding or appropriate mount plates
    4. Medium hard:
    5. Hard: Requires Heavy modding using tools to cut, grind or drill to fit replacement parts.
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    I though only the Round 1 TEs ever had the Rev A board. That later models had the Rev B.
    And I understood that the TE S series have a completely different board from the Rev A and Rev B.
    Correct me if I am wrong.
    Not exactly sure which (ask MarkMan for what's what on this). But the TEs still need to be subdivided considering the great number of variations of the form factor.
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    Arcana Heart PS2 pcb is similar to the T5 stick.
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  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,847 ✭✭✭✭
    Keep in mind this is a beginners Buying guide, Not a modding guide. I only include limited mod info for the purpose of selecting a stick to purchase. I am not concern with the actual in depth modding or each variation of each stick as it goes outside of the scope of what I want to do here. If anything I will scale back the modding info. The Sticks I did marked with a price is still sold with a MSRP price tag as per Google searches for online retail stores and Amazon.

    GeorgeC thats alot of info I will take it into consideration. Maybe a rating system for Ease of Mods would be a good idea

    I forgot about Qanba.

    You're welcome!

    BTW, I sincerely apologize if my comments came off as harsh. That was not my intention.
    The only thing I really objected to was calling the HRAP 2 SA's button lower quality... LOL My post was kind of an impulsive response to that.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You're welcome!

    BTW, I sincerely apologize if my comments came off as harsh. That was not my intention.
    The only thing I really objected to was calling the HRAP 2 SA's button lower quality... LOL My post was kind of an impulsive response to that.
    We all get that way. Any ways if you don't mind, I would welcome further proof reading. If you want PM me the corrections and I will edit them in.

    D3v I took your suggestion and message MarkMan as he is the authority on Mad Catz sticks. Perhaps this guide too much for only one person to get everything accomplished.
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  • spenzaliispenzalii Joined: Posts: 1,889 ✭✭
    Good stuff. If I'm sober enough over teh weekend I may be able to pitch in on this

    Good idea not to bring customs into this. That's a whole other ball of wax
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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,134
    I may have missed it, but you forgot to mention the Hori Fighting Stick 3. It is identical to the FS Wii for the most part.

    Also under American Style sticks, you should mention the Nuby Tech Street Fighter Anniversary Collection sticks. They use Happ knockoffs, but are medium easy to mod with iL parts.
  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    So, it seems almost impossible to get the Madcatz TE here in the Netherlands for a decent price.
    None of the shops that sell them want to deliver internationally.

    So, I've been looking at the shops here and I've found 4 sticks

    Madcatz SE (yes they still have them) 50 euros
    Real arcade pro Blazblue 70 euros
    Tekken 6 80 euros (with game)
    Hori V3 120-130 euros

    Now to be honest, I don't like how the Hori V3 looks and would rather have a MC TE.
    So, now I'm debating between the MC SE and the Blazblue.

    (Note if someone knows how to get an MC TE in the Netherlands please tell me =P)

    All advice would be appreciated

    PS. this will be my first stick
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, it seems almost impossible to get the Madcatz TE here in the Netherlands for a decent price.
    None of the shops that sell them want to deliver internationally.

    So, I've been looking at the shops here and I've found 4 sticks

    Madcatz SE (yes they still have them) 50 euros
    Real arcade pro Blazblue 70 euros
    Tekken 6 80 euros (with game)
    Hori V3 120-130 euros

    Now to be honest, I don't like how the Hori V3 looks and would rather have a MC TE.
    So, now I'm debating between the MC SE and the Blazblue.

    (Note if someone knows how to get an MC TE in the Netherlands please tell me =P)

    All advice would be appreciated

    PS. this will be my first stick
    I did not factor in countries that have issues with shipping. As I live in the United States, I do not normally see thing kind of thing.
    The 4 you did pick are all excellent sticks. What you have in mind for your stick and what you want to do with it.
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  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    I did not factor in countries that have issues with shipping. As I live in the United States, I do not normally see thing kind of thing.
    The 4 you did pick are all excellent sticks. What you have in mind for your stick and what you want to do with it.
    i think every country in the world has issues with shipping except the states...even getting stuff in Canada is a pain most of the time.
  • FoegrinderFoegrinder Joined: Posts: 60
    I would say adjust the prices on the blaz blue stick--$129.95 at just about any retailer- gamestop/amazon. And the VLX is also 299.95 on Amazon and most other retailers
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say adjust the prices on the blaz blue stick--$129.95 at just about any retailer- gamestop/amazon. And the VLX is also 299.95 on Amazon and most other retailers
    My bad, I took prices off Play Asia and not Amazon. I forgot Play Asia has some really high mark ups.
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  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    I did not factor in countries that have issues with shipping. As I live in the United States, I do not normally see thing kind of thing.
    The 4 you did pick are all excellent sticks. What you have in mind for your stick and what you want to do with it.

    Well, I'm not that serious with fighting games. It's just for fun at home, because I think it's a pain with the normal ps3 controller =P.
    Anyways, the HRAP Blazblue stick for 70euros ~ 90-100 dollars. Is that below average price?

    (Keep in mind that shops usually take over the price in dollars. So if something is 150 dollars it's 150 euros here)
  • rootnoderootnode Joined: Posts: 121
    So, it seems almost impossible to get the Madcatz TE here in the Netherlands for a decent price.
    None of the shops that sell them want to deliver internationally.

    So, I've been looking at the shops here and I've found 4 sticks

    Madcatz SE (yes they still have them) 50 euros
    Real arcade pro Blazblue 70 euros
    Tekken 6 80 euros (with game)
    Hori V3 120-130 euros

    Now to be honest, I don't like how the Hori V3 looks and would rather have a MC TE.
    So, now I'm debating between the MC SE and the Blazblue.

    (Note if someone knows how to get an MC TE in the Netherlands please tell me =P)

    All advice would be appreciated

    PS. this will be my first stick

    If you're talking about the wireless Tekken 6 stick bundle I can tell you from my personal experience it is not a quality stick.

    Darksakul, I was hoping to hear some thoughts on the Qanba Q4RAF. It seems almost too perfect! I want to know what the community thinks before I part with my cash.
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  • Shadow2boltShadow2bolt Joined: Posts: 119
    Could be worth putting the Hori Fighting Stick 3. Same parts as Wii Stick as well as similar shell and weight only for PS3. £40 (RRP, can get a lot cheaper).

    Also here in UK (not sure about other countries), there is a stick called Datel Arcade Pro. It works for PS3, Xbox 360 and PC and is styled like a Japanese stick using its own stock buttons. Poor quality on the stock parts but the modding is practically the same as the Joytron/Paewang Revolution. Goes for £35 (unsure of RRP).

    Cause I'm in UK, I'm unsure of equivilant US prices.
  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭
    Datel Arcade Pro IS a Joytron/Paewang Revolution.

    And the buttons are not even microswitch.
    All it's good for is the PCB, and MAAAAYBE the case.
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  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    So I've looked around for info about the Madcatz SE stick and saw that they had a problem with a loose washer that could damage the PCB.
    But, I heard that they fixed it after the first wave/batch. Now I have a question, how can you see which wave/batch the stick is?

    EDIT: soo, the washer scratches the PCB. But if it's broken, can't you just buy a stick and replace it? Or am I missing something here
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    So I've looked around for info about the Madcatz SE stick and saw that they had a problem with a loose washer that could damage the PCB.
    But, I heard that they fixed it after the first wave/batch. Now I have a question, how can you see which wave/batch the stick is?

    EDIT: soo, the washer scratches the PCB. But if it's broken, can't you just buy a stick and replace it? Or am I missing something here
    Just replace the joystick with a real JLF as soon as possible. It's for the best really.
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  • KlasherKlasher Joined: Posts: 19
    So, now for the real decision =P
    Mad Catz SE €50 ~ $70
    HRAP BlazBlue €70 ~ $100

    Now there are some things I don't like about the Blazblue stick (=HRAP 3?):
    - The case is blue
    - It doesn't have the vewlix button layout but the japanese arcade layout
    - It's harder to mod than the SE (not sure how much harder)

    Now, I've read that the HRAP 3 is an overall better controller but estethics and comfort are important to me too.
    So, is there a way to easily change to color of the case and I've read that the vewlix button layout is "better"overall and easier/more comfortable to use.

    From what I've read the HRAP 3 is say... a tier above the SE. Is that true?
    I'll probably put sanwa buttons and stick in the SE anyway so is it worth the extra 30 dollars?
  • DenokuDenoku Joined: Posts: 64
    I'm looking for help picking a stick. I'm just playing MvC3 and Mortal Kombat. I have a Hori Real Arcade Pro V3-SA. It's an okay stick but I'm wanting to try out the either the SSFIV stick or the MvC3 stick. I hear the SSFIV stick is good so that is what I'm looking at. I'm wondering how it handles? My main problem with this Hori stick is that the inputs feel too close together. I'm actually just looking for any good fighting stick suggestions. Nothing crazy that I have to mod myself but something that is good and reliable, that I can get in the store/online.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, now for the real decision =P
    Mad Catz SE €50 ~ $70
    HRAP BlazBlue €70 ~ $100

    Now there are some things I don't like about the Blazblue stick (=HRAP 3?):
    - The case is blue
    - It doesn't have the vewlix button layout but the japanese arcade layout
    - It's harder to mod than the SE (not sure how much harder)

    Now, I've read that the HRAP 3 is an overall better controller but estethics and comfort are important to me too.
    So, is there a way to easily change to color of the case and I've read that the vewlix button layout is "better"overall and easier/more comfortable to use.

    From what I've read the HRAP 3 is say... a tier above the SE. Is that true?
    I'll probably put sanwa buttons and stick in the SE anyway so is it worth the extra 30 dollars?
    You can always Paint the case the color you want. Strip all the parts out first, and you can paint the case. There 2 ways of going about this, Sand, primer and your color coat and mite want after include a clear coat, or you can use a product called vinyl dye. Vinyl dye only works on clean non-painted surfaces and it does not work well on Acrylic or Plexy glass. It works well on Vinyl (obviously), ABS Plastic, and most of the harder plastics a stick case body is made from. I am not sure about PVC Plastic. I seen Vinyl dye work on Mad Catz, Hori, Sega and Nintendo Products (I painted a NES with Vinyl dye). Unlike Vinyl dye Actual paint can be used to easier paint different designs and multiple colors on the same piece of plastic. There is a guide on painting on tech talk, I suggest you find and read it.

    As for Layout, there is no right or best layout for everyone, it is personal preference.
    For example: some people swear by the MK layout for MK, I hate it. I prefer the 2nd Player Sega layout, some people like the straight Capcom layout, others like Veiwlix.
    I'm looking for help picking a stick. I'm just playing MvC3 and Mortal Kombat. I have a Hori Real Arcade Pro V3-SA. It's an okay stick but I'm wanting to try out the either the SSFIV stick or the MvC3 stick. I hear the SSFIV stick is good so that is what I'm looking at. I'm wondering how it handles? My main problem with this Hori stick is that the inputs feel too close together. I'm actually just looking for any good fighting stick suggestions. Nothing crazy that I have to mod myself but something that is good and reliable, that I can get in the store/online.
    From my understanding the TE series handles pretty well. I only include modding info on each stick just to help people decide what they want. Modding is completely optional. On a Te Modding for the most part is more cosmetic than it is performance. Although some people are more comfortable with Seimitsu over Sanwa. This is more of a personal preference , like what you like to drink more, Coca Cola, Pepsi or RC Cola.
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    water please! coke hurts my tummy! :P
    LOL
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    there is a unwritten rule that every Full Moon some clueless poster has to stumble into this forum and tout their own perception as hard fact.
  • chuuchuu Fan of the female form Joined: Posts: 3,492
    it's true though...i'm into the "healthy" lifestyle so i don't drink pop/soda and everyone once in a while i end up drinking some coke and it tastes disgusting and then i get a horrible stomach ache...so sad...lol.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    it's true though...i'm into the "healthy" lifestyle so i don't drink pop/soda and everyone once in a while i end up drinking some coke and it tastes disgusting and then i get a horrible stomach ache...so sad...lol.
    The soda comment is an analogy for the different brands of arcade parts out there. If Sanwa is Coke, and Seimitsu is Pepsi, Crown would be RC Cola, that makes Happ Deer Park Spring Water. IL would be Evian or maybe Fiji Spring Water, LOL.
    You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
    there is a unwritten rule that every Full Moon some clueless poster has to stumble into this forum and tout their own perception as hard fact.
  • JebitronJebitron Hermit Joined: Posts: 123
    I'm disabled with Duchenne's MD and require very sensitive controls. I need a TE stick because it's easy to mod. True, it's more of a cosmetic mod but you can easily take the JLF out of it and mod the actual JLF stick with say a D44X Cherry Micro Switch mod. I need a sensitive stick so putting a single LS-33 spring is easy to add to a JLF without even having much experience with taking anything apart. Same with the type of gates it uses. I've heard of Seimitsu sticks being put inside it as well without too much effort and if you want light up buttons, depending on your skill, is easy to install Seimitsu clear buttons with a sparky or a mc cthulhu for dual compatibility. I guess my point is that it's easy to work with. I didn't have any trouble with swapping parts out and I can barely lift my arms at all. Very easy. Everything pretty much drops right in. I just like those sticks a lot. They get along with me and feel comfortable on my hands. I've been exploring other sticks to fit inside both styles of these sticks as well. My latest is to fit an LS-33 stick in one. I feel it's a good stick to explore modding with. If you're a beginner and break it, there's tons of people on-line just waiting for your money to fix one.
    There is no such thing as Existence but Existence it's self.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Guide Update. Qanba section updated.
    TE Section Corrected.
    Still need to correct Sega Section.

    No more sticks will be added unless the stick is a new release.
    You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
    there is a unwritten rule that every Full Moon some clueless poster has to stumble into this forum and tout their own perception as hard fact.
  • d3vd3v #MAXCPM Fiber Override Joined: Posts: 24,543 mod
    Thinking of stickying this.
    Love arcade sticks? Then BUY MY SHIRT.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 10,911 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thinking of stickying this.
    I think it already is. The "What Stick Should I Buy" Thread is linked to this one.
    You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance.
    there is a unwritten rule that every Full Moon some clueless poster has to stumble into this forum and tout their own perception as hard fact.
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