Super Smash Brothers 4

EPsilon933EPsilon933 Joined: Posts: 176
"A few months ago I explained the concept of WiiU to Mr. Sakurai who was developing Kid Icarus. We were discussing which platform his next game should be, Nintendo 3DS or WiiU. What Mr. Sakurai suggested then was a specific idea to make Smash for both Nintendo 3DS and WiiU, to make this work together on both platforms. Well since his team is still involved in the final work in... the... for the Kid Icarus, maybe I shouldn't go into any detail today. But I think I have just promised you that Smash Brothers will be developed for Nintendo 3DS and for WiiU and that the software will work together in some fashion. Of course, this is a product for the future." -Iwata. Said during Nintendo's E3 2011 press conference

Articles about Smash4

http://nsider2.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=585321
(Sorce for quote pending... May not be reliable)

http://wii.ign.com/articles/117/1174416p1.html

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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,213
    LUIGI!
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  • RomuskaRomuska Dark Love Joined: Posts: 184
    Now didn't Nintendo say a while back that they wouldn't be announcing new games until they were far enough in development? Wasn't this going to be done specifically to avoid what happened with Brawl and Twilight Princess, where they kept announcing little details but then both games were repeatedly delayed? I think they should have waited. We all knew a new Smash Bros. game was inevitable, but I think most of us would have preferred to wait until there was at least some gameplay footage before any announcements were made.
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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,213
    I guess that means the game is far enough in development. Also, LUIGI!
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  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,182
    GO GO SONIC!
  • kid craft 24kid craft 24 Best Sonic player in New England(retired) Joined: Posts: 8
    I fear for the new smash bros future in the hands of the smash community who will most likely ruin the game. It's bad enough they ruin the smash experience by banning items which is almost the essence of the game and the reasoning behind the way it's balanced. out of the gate expect 3 stocks no items and timer rules for tourneys. and i can't wait to hear about what they would want Nintendo to nerf or patch via DLC down the line when they feel the physics and characters moves don't benefit the tourney scene. I'm not against the smash community especially since i play the game and after today won't be playing competitively but they really try to restrict the game to make it feel as traditional as possible to games such as SF which is impossible. There only excuse which further proves that they lack effort to seek balance through the use of items is that they add "randomness" to the game yet random doesn't always necessarily mean anything bad. Mario kart and pokemon while not at a competitive level as fighters are perfect examples where randomness is good.
  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,182
    What I find incredibly stupid about that argument is that NO ONE is stopping you from enjoying Melee casually with items on any stage you want.

    So YES there is this INCREDIBLY deep way to play the game but you can ignore it all throw the items on and have a ball if you want.
  • RoGE9RoGE9 Joined: Posts: 1,682
    Melee gameplay or GTFO
  • kid craft 24kid craft 24 Best Sonic player in New England(retired) Joined: Posts: 8
    Only thing is is that chances are you won't be able to find a tourney with such things like items on as the community forbids the use of such things. And playing with items can be just as deep if not deeper than without them. And i personally would rather see melee tourneys without items simply because of the way the game can stand on it's own two feet without them. While seeing as brawl can barely hold it's own competitive scene intact and the games only been out for almost 4 years. Also the next smash is using brawl as a base to start from so that's why i fear for it's future competitively. The rules in competitive brawl i just think don't do the game justice. The smash ball introduced a totally new layer to the series and it's a shame that it's had to be turned off.
  • Smashbro29Smashbro29 Waiting for the new Framemeister... Joined: Posts: 7,182
    Ummm... They only did the whole "base" thing because it was Gamecube to Wii.

    Wii to WiiU is a RADICAL change and will require building almost entirely from the ground up.
  • ChibiManaChibiMana Joined: Posts: 273
    Only thing is is that chances are you won't be able to find a tourney with such things like items on as the community forbids the use of such things. And playing with items can be just as deep if not deeper than without them. And i personally would rather see melee tourneys without items simply because of the way the game can stand on it's own two feet without them. While seeing as brawl can barely hold it's own competitive scene intact and the games only been out for almost 4 years. Also the next smash is using brawl as a base to start from so that's why i fear for it's future competitively. The rules in competitive brawl i just think don't do the game justice. The smash ball introduced a totally new layer to the series and it's a shame that it's had to be turned off.
    This comment goes everywhere and for no reason. You can't say 'one game should have items on and the other should not' just because the physics are different. That doesn't make any sense. People already complain about tripping in Brawl because its random, I don't know how adding the extra layer that is items would make things better. Brawl is fine the way it is, mechanically and competitively. It has it's god tier characters and its shit tier characters. Also, Brawl is still a highly competitive game throughout the world as many foreign players from Japan are traveling to America to play among the best and vice versa. When Ally went to Europe last year and played Gluttony I think it was a great moment not only for Brawl but for Smash in general because it's been so long since we (USA) have traveled over seas to compete.
    Depending on how Smash WiiU turn out I would not be surprised to see the 3 latest games still being heavily represented at tournies or for just 1 game to be dominant.
  • Jonas_Jonas_ Joined: Posts: 35
    Only thing is is that chances are you won't be able to find a tourney with such things like items on
    Because nobody wants to go to tournaments with items on. If people were interested in it, there would be item tournaments all over the place. Seriously, try hosting a tournament with items on and see how popular it gets. Nothing's stopping you.

    The problem is that the people who play with items on don't care about competition or tournaments.
  • JacopeXJacopeX "Veras el color rojo cuando termine contigo." Joined: Posts: 419
    http://www.1up.com/news/masahiro-sakurai-reflects-super-smash
    There are three Smash Bros. games out now, but even if I ever had a chance at another one, I doubt we'll ever see one that's as geared toward hardcore gamers as Melee was. Melee fans who played deep into the game without any problems might have trouble understanding this, but Melee was just too difficult.

    Project M sounds godly at the moment. I'll just wait until they complete it and just play Melee until then.
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  • NeoMagnusNeoMagnus Joined: Posts: 322
    If smash DIDNT have an option to turn items off would it be consitently tourney viable and competitive? Im not so sure..
  • xroflmaowtfxxroflmaowtfx AKA Tai Joined: Posts: 68
    smash 4 is gonna be garbage (95% chance IMO)
    probably not even gonna bother getting it
    and i am and have been a competitive melee player for 4 years
  • Hello?Hello? VICTORY POTATO CHIP! Joined: Posts: 55
    Play Melee for another 10+ years.
    Never experience another smash game lol
    Or at least that's how most people come off when they're posting in most Melee/Brawl threads.
  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 2,085
    Take the Brawl formula and make these changes:
    • remove tripping
    • increase hitstun to melee levels
    • increase blockstun so jumping in is a viable option, pressure strings more viable
    • throw techs
    • add a super meter and incorporate Final Smash into gameplay
    • adjust overall game speed, somewhere between brawl and melee
    • nerf the shit out of Meta-Knight and Snake
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  • UssiUssi Joined: Posts: 7
    Hitstun is the same in melee, you just can cancel the hitstun with an airdodge or a move (airdodge can be used 10 frames before a move out of hitstun)

    It needs to have safe moves on block

    The biggest thing that smash4 needs is... a good controller... not everybody wants to play wirelessly with a wii mote + chuck or classic controller (which break often) With no gamecube compatibility I pray Nintendo makes a USB controller at least.
  • sanchaz1sanchaz1 Joined: Posts: 1,010
    people should buy smash 4 for fun and not for a competitive game. and play melee instead. or you perfer brawl (some people like this game) play that one. it's still a video/party game, it's just hilarious how balance melee turned out to be.
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  • FlugaFluga ???WHAT GOES HERE??? Joined: Posts: 343
    Considering the new Smash game will be all wireless, I doubt we'll be seeing this much in tournaments to begin with.

    As for Melee/Brawl. Even IF Brawl is horrible, play what you like. Fuck the haters.
  • truendymiontruendymion Beer Me! Joined: Posts: 2,085
    Lol so basically there is NO hitstun. Does that apply to block stun too? Seems like you can insta-grab out of blockstun. I hope they fix that!
    Definitely agree with safe moves on block so we can pressure.

    They're coming out with a new Classic controller that looks pretty sick. Kind of looks like the gamecube controller. Not sure if they'll have a wired controller...

    Hey who knows the game might turn out to be competitive! I'm crossing my fingers :P
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  • HeckrixHeckrix The Tea Time Ninja Joined: Posts: 145
    All I can say is that smashbros4 needs atleast 1 golden sun character.
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  • LordWilliam1234LordWilliam1234 Frame Data Scientist Joined: Posts: 20,336
    Lol so basically there is NO hitstun. Does that apply to block stun too? Seems like you can insta-grab out of blockstun. I hope they fix that!
    Definitely agree with safe moves on block so we can pressure.

    I agree as well. One thing I hated about Brawl (other than tripping obviously) was the fact that there were so many instances where you would be punished for HITTING YOUR OPPONENT! That and the fact that your opponent could just sit in their shield and wait for you to come close and then grab you when you tried to shield pressure them (which was especially annoying with Dedede...stupid chain grab). I still enjoyed Brawl overall, but that irked me to no end.

    So, what I'd like to see in Smash Brothers 4;

    1. More hitstun. Around Melee levels, maybe a little less. At least enough so we don't get punished for actually hitting our opponents.
    2. More "shield stun." I really don't think that you should be able to sit in your shield and then instantly counter with an attack if you try to get aggressive against your opponent, unless you "perfect shield."
    3. Get rid of the stupid "auto-snap to ledge" mechanic that they had in Brawl. It just made it close to impossible to deal with someone who was ledge-camping. Namely Marth and Meta-knight. Let go of ledge. Up-B. Repeat. :mad:

    And of course, the standard "More characters, more stages." I'd also like to see alternate costumes, like what they did for Wario.
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  • The_Killah29The_Killah29 I want to say all the things I know I shouldn't... Joined: Posts: 3,268
    I'd like to see
    -everyone get at least 1 or 2 other costumes
    -the roster to crack 60+ characters
    -maybe another 1 or 2 guest characters with Snake and Sonic
    -no more of that Final Smash BS
    -fuck da trippin'
    -more items
    -more stages
    -iffy about Assist Trophies.
    -the ability to trade doubles of your trophies online with people.
    -and I guess future DLC cahracters (not on the disk like Capcom does it)
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  • DarkArchvilleDarkArchville Anyone who opposes me will be destroyed. Joined: Posts: 1,166
    Don't get your hopes up. As long as Sakurai stays in charge of the franchise, you'll will never see a tournament-worthy Smash Brothers from Nintendo. Instead, expect more tripping, items, randomness, and removal of gameplay mechanics that actually made the series have some sort of skill ceiling.
  • YorKeYYorKeY Breaking point Joined: Posts: 5,887
    Uhh hell no. 60 characters is way to much for a game like smash bros, calm down kid.
    And people who are complaining about brawl are probally just trying to follow the trend of hating on brawl just cause everyone else hates it. Melee was bad ass, so was brawl. Maybe your just trash at both?
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  • sanchaz1sanchaz1 Joined: Posts: 1,010
    brawl is terrible- m2k
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