Street Fighter II & "official" canon

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  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    From what I know, i will now add a little of my thoughts to this. I believe the following actually makes sense from Akuma's Point of view. (Those of you who know me, know that I fight very hard for the subjects of Akuma/Gouki, Satsui no Hadou and the whole ansatsuken business. Ask Tiamat, he'll know, I bothered him a lot :D ).

    Now.

    Bison did visit Gouken once before to look for the true heir to 'Ansatsuken'. Or rather, Goutetsu's version of it. He went, he didn't find the 'True Heir' (Akuma at that point), so he just beat Gouken up. (Canon according to mook)

    Now I'm quite sure that after all this time, Akuma actually knows that Bison was looking for him. In my eyes, Bison has been a fly in the fighting community because he is interfering with the way of the warrior. He's cloning, using psycho power, messing up with possible fighting partners ala Ryu, doing all sorts of stuff that is disrupting EVERYONES normal life, while causing some evil to boot. (not canon nor uncanon, but rather obvious)

    So While Bison was looking for Akuma, I bet it is possible that (and this is not Canon, but Any right minded Akuma would do this...), Akuma was ALSO looking for a chance to kill Bison. NOT because Bison is a strong fighter, but because he really wants to remove this major irritant for the good of all Pure Fighting.

    Thus, he just waited for the right moment to kill off the bugger who has been disrupting the fighting scene and went off to have another day of training. Why didn't he do it sooner? Because then he would have to infiltrate the entire Shadoloo oganisation and that wastes time and energy. Why during the tournament? Cos he was exposed, in full view and it was easy for Akuma to just mingle in the crowd innit?

    Frankly Speaking Bison really has been a thorn in the fighting community's side. I think it's fitting that Mr. Fighting God himself solved the problem.

    And yes, read Tiamat's. Wikipidia is very unreliable when it comes to SF. I've posted canon stuff only to be taken down and replaced by 'fan translations'.
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  • mbthomasmbthomas Joined: Posts: 91
    Why would Akuma try and kill to restore balance to the fighting community? The man has no sense of a community, he trains alone on a damn island.

    People always seem try to justify Akuma's actions. The man is an arrogant, power greedy, self absorbed, murdering bastard, who has knocked off several high profile martial artists. Yet he still gets the Sagat treatment from fans, despite the fact he has never had a sympathetic moment in his life. It's always claimed that he only kills worthy opponents, which i can accept but only because anything less is a waste of his efforts.

    Sagat was a honourable man - a national hero hero even. He then became twisted, similar to akuma, by revenge. You follow his game storylines up to alpha 2 and he is consistently badass. With the exception of an implied moment of clarity in the animated movie, the seeds for his face turn were not actually woven until alpha 3 where he went through a major character arc of losing to a few low tier characters and rejecting bison and shadowloo. It was at this point that he had clear and justifiable reasoning and a general awareness of others.

    Akuma has yet to experience a radical story arch, he has yet to commit a single act of altruism and is still basically a wild fighting animal.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Gouki did save a child's life who fell off of his mountain once so he has had a sympathetic moment.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    You cant really judge Gouki as his situation is very unique. He is potentially the most powerful being on the planet. When you have god-like power and only one ambition in life (fighting the strongest opponents) you don't have any reason to be a good guy.

    Gouki is not really a bad person.

    He killed Gouken because he believed he was trying to pervert his beloved fighting style by teaching his students a toned down version of a Killing Style. Gouken had also defeated him once and Gouki had to settle with him. With Gouken out of the way Ryu also probably embraces the Satsui no Hadou quicker thus providing a better challenge to Gouki.

    He killed Goutetsu, but Goutetsu was teaching a Killing Style so how much of a good guy was he? Ansatsuken = Assassin's Fist. Why should we mourn for people who practice killing arts? They run the risk of getting killed by their very profession. Also passing on of tradition from master to student.

    Gen may not have been killed by Gouki, but it could have happened. Gen is a former assassin. Again no sympathy for assassins who use killing styles.

    Bison was an evil bastard. No sympathy for megolamaniacs who try to pervert your pet project. (Ryu)

    Gill wasn't neccessarily bad, but he isn't really all good either. He can't die anyway so Gouki gets off for attempting to kill him.

    Gouki only really fights people who are worthy of him and are able to except the consequences of being a serious fighter. You've never seen Gouki go after Dan, DeeJay, or Sakura have you? He obviously has some sort of moral code.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Yes, What DoTheMove said.

    I'm not an Akuma 'Fanboy'. I'm just here to help people understand that Akuma is not 'Evil'. This + Satsui No Hadou being termed 'Murderous Intent' from the beginning has caused a lot of people to misinterpret this whole business of what the whole Warriors Code are for the different characters. A lot of misunderstanding in SF stems from Akuma, I mean come on, Bison represented a Major Story arc for almost half of the cast once. Akuma provided the personification of Satsui no Hadou, which Ran the other major story arc. And they both intermingled.

    Now don't misunderstand, I'm not out to say he's 'Good' either, nuh uh. Don't misunderstand me.

    Actually, Again, Ansatsuken is not 'THE' martial arts style they were learning. It's just a general term you use for moves that are potentially fatal. In our modern world there are such moves, as most of you know, and I personally had access to such techniques in simple Koppo. Does that make me or my Sifu/Sensei an Evil person for knowing the skill? No of course not.

    The move is merely a tool. The person who uses it determines if it is used for evil or good.

    Don't let stereotypical thinking cloud your minds. Look at Gouki and what he has done. Not who he might resemble from some other story who also had ultimate power.

    Now some of us just feel that Killing for Any reason at all is evil. So for people who feel this way, Akuma is evil. Simple as that. Others, such as those who can accept that it is fine if a fight between two fighter lead in death because they both accept it as a condition, won't view Akuma as evil, because they know it's simply a path the fighters chose, freedom of choice ya?

    Thats how it was with Gouken.
    Thats how it was for Goutetsu (Who Died SMILING, because he was as serious a fighter and who was also looking for enlightenment via the ultimate fight)
    Thats how it was for Gen, who was angry Akuma DIDN'T kill him.

    And there are differences in someone who kills a person who HAS LOST THE FIGHT, and Someone who kills TO WIN THE FIGHT. Thats how it is.

    I could elaborate, but I'm hoping people understand from just these alone. It's late and my brains messy.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    DoTheMove wrote:
    Gill wasn't neccessarily bad, but he isn't really all good either. He can't die anyway so Gouki gets off for attempting to kill him.

    I myself doubt Gouki vs. Gill actually happened but the game shows Gill could survive a Shun Goku Satsu, not that the fight itself even happened. For you to even see that ending the person who stands before Gill has to defeat Gouki (even at his Shin Level) and storyline wise that would be Alex, no way can Alex defeat Gouki. It's also a shout out to how Gouki performed SGS to Vega(M.Bison in the US) as well. Not to mention Gill vs. Gouki sounds even more random than Gill vs. Vega.

    Gill is not evil by his own standards, he's more of a diluted savior. He does believe he's trying to save the world from the apocalypse, so the ends justify the means. Think of how terrorists believe that they are doing God's work when they kill innocent people. Not that Gill is as bad as some real life terrorists mind you.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Rokiseph wrote:
    Thats how it was for Goutetsu (Who Died SMILING, because he was as serious a fighter and who was also looking for enlightenment via the ultimate fight)

    Actually, Goutetsu smiled when he saw how much Gouki overpowered him after Gouki embraced SnH for the first time. We don't know how Goutetsu looked as he died by the SGS, only his bloody corpse remained.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ah, if your source in saying that he smiled before he died is canon, then it is now known that he smiled after and before he died :D

    Actually, sentence for setence, this is what transpired in the last paragraph under Gouki of the SFZ mook ;

    "The last person standing on the vast field, was Gouki.
    Goutetsu had already drawn his last breath....but on his face was a smile. Beside him, stood the figure of Gouken."

    Of course, logically, one cannot smile AFTER one dies, so you would be right, but we know that his face was still smiling after that. So yeah, he died smiling. And yes, he was smiling because he had an heir in Gouki.
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  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    BTW Tiamat if you're reading this, I need to contact you regarding the AAC translation of Ken witnessing Goukens death.
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    Rokiseph wrote:
    BTW Tiamat if you're reading this, I need to contact you regarding the AAC translation of Ken witnessing Goukens death.

    Easiest way to alert Tiamat is to post in the Warrior's Fate Thread in the Fan Fiction forums.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Thanks :D
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Rokiseph wrote:
    Ah, if your source in saying that he smiled before he died is canon, then it is now known that he smiled after and before he died :D

    Actually, sentence for setence, this is what transpired in the last paragraph under Gouki of the SFZ mook ;

    "The last person standing on the vast field, was Gouki.
    Goutetsu had already drawn his last breath....but on his face was a smile. Beside him, stood the figure of Gouken."

    Of course, logically, one cannot smile AFTER one dies, so you would be right, but we know that his face was still smiling after that. So yeah, he died smiling. And yes, he was smiling because he had an heir in Gouki.

    We have the same sources I'm sure, but the account in the SFZ mook doesn't talk of Goutetsu's death anymore, if it ever did at some point. Goutetsu's current death account is in the SFZ2 mook among other places, where it tells of him falling to the SGS and no smile recorded.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Oh, okok

    Look under SFZ Mook page 80. Last paragraph.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Rokiseph wrote:
    Oh, okok

    Look under SFZ Mook page 80. Last paragraph.

    I know Rokiseph, you quoted it in the previous page. Instead of "drawn his last breath" though, I translated it as "his breath was dying out." In any case, whether he died or not in Gouki's SFZ account he still dies for sure in Gouki's SFZ2 account by the SGS. The SFZ story takes place shortly after the brothers' training is completed, and they see SnH for the first time, and Goutetsu smiles after Gouki's defeated him. The SFZ2 story happens shortly after Gouki has the SGS revealed to him, and unleashes it on Goutetsu.

    In any case, if both accounts are still canon (and SFZ2's has priority), Goutetsu had to have survived the battle which results in him smiling. Sure he was on the brink of death (nearly anybody would probably be after fighting Gouki), but with Gouken at his side at that moment, they managed to patch him up somewhat. (don't you just love where they place the "...." in the text)

    Thanks for pointing out my mistakes with Ken's story. I seriously don't remember how I connected "young one" to his text in AAC after looking at it again. My bad, I'll fix those.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Oh, i had the idea that any changes in SFZ2 affects SFZ, because SFZ2 replaces SFZ. Which means that Gouki only fought Goutetsu once and killed him.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Rokiseph wrote:
    Oh, i had the idea that any changes in SFZ2 affects SFZ, because SFZ2 replaces SFZ. Which means that Gouki only fought Goutetsu once and killed him.

    If it's that way, then no smile, no Gouken being present either. Again, I don't believe the SFZ Gouki account is replaced by the SFZ2 Gouki account, because they don't have to happen at the same point in Gouki's life. Gouki says totally different things to his master before the fight begins in each account. Therefore I believe Gouki's fought both his brother and his master twice before they both die.
  • RokisephRokiseph The Subtle Rushdowner. Joined: Posts: 535 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I recall the SFZ2 replacing SFZ storyline as being official. :D

    Other than that, any side tidbits that can be left unchanged would be left unchanged. In anycase, there wasn't mention of Gouki speaking to Goutetsu in the SFZ Mook.

    Oh well, if side tidbits are also to be removed, then it's sad that a lot fo the tidbits from SFZ mook will not be considered canon. Lucky for us, as it is, some of us consider these side tidbits still canon as long as they logically do not contradict any changes.

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    vasili10 wrote:
    We have the same sources I'm sure, but the account in the SFZ mook doesn't talk of Goutetsu's death anymore, if it ever did at some point. Goutetsu's current death account is in the SFZ2 mook among other places, where it tells of him falling to the SGS and no smile recorded.


    Does anyone think Gouken could be in SF4 (If they ever make an SF4)
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Canonwise no. He's been declared as long deceased ever since Super X came out. But the ball's always in Capcom's court.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    ok, but I do know that Sagat is still alive. Apparentlu M. Bison (Vega) is dead, but Capcom can always say that Vega was near death at the hands of Gouki

    Correct, Sagat still waits for his match with Ryu.

    Capcom could bring back Vega of course, but they'd be pulling a complete 360 if they do. Before Zero 3 came out, Vega was stated to have survived SF2 and recuperating during SF3. After Zero 3 appeared, he was declared as offed for good.
  • ChrnoChrno Rasuke Joined: Posts: 273
    So...if all we had was one game, SFII from the 90s, no SFA...no Akuma...who would've won? lol...bad question in the middle of nowhere. I'm guessing, with that game alone, that would be insufficent?

    Hmm...I wonder how Udon will do the SFII tournament...if Chun Li and Guile both come up but get defeated by Bison (but I guess they could be declared winners since they fought against him) but Akuma kills Bison, than all in all, they could just be winners by default? Sometimes I wonder who's stronger...Chun Li or Guile...
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    Chrno wrote:
    So...if all we had was one game, SFII from the 90s, no SFA...no Akuma...who would've won? lol...bad question in the middle of nowhere. I'm guessing, with that game alone, that would be insufficent?

    I'd say Guile. Women, by default are slightly weaker than men and with rage fueling him I don't think beating Bison would've been that big of a deal.
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    Personally, I think either Ryu, Chun-Li, or Guile earned the right to face M. Bison in the final match. It's hard to say whether or not an actual fight with M. Bison took place 'CuZ AAC isn't Very specific concerning what point during the match Gouki showed up and killed M. Bison.
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    Hasn't it been already stated Akuma/Gouki was not entered in the SFII tournament? His killing of Bison is moot, as he wasn't entered in the tournament.
  • Murt!Murt! Grindin... Joined: Posts: 702
    Hasn't it been already stated Akuma/Gouki was not entered in the SFII tournament? His killing of Bison is moot, as he wasn't entered in the tournament.

    He doesn't have to have been enrolled to have killed him.
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    Personally, I think either Ryu, Chun-Li, or Guile earned the right to face M. Bison in the final match. It's hard to say whether or not an actual fight with M. Bison took place 'CuZ AAC isn't Very specific concerning what point during the match Gouki showed up and killed M. Bison.

    Ryu is void. It is specifically/canonically stated that after Ken beat Ryu he married Eliza. We can see now that not only is he married but he's had a son. I'm kinda thinking that Guile/Chun Li defeated Bison before he was murked.
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    According to Canon Guile was the only fighter to make it to the finals against Bison. Before the match started Akuma came in...

    So there is no official SF2 winner. SF1 winner was Ryu by beating Sagat with his Evil incarnation (Dark Hadou)...I still don't see why Ryu is viewed as a main character in SF like Liu Kanf from MK...Guile was the main "hero" until the Akuma thing. Also, I don't know who won SF3, maybe Alex or someone like that. Would be cool if Gill came back along with Bison(dictator) and Sagat.
    vasili10 wrote:
    Correct, Sagat still waits for his match with Ryu.

    Capcom could bring back Vega of course, but they'd be pulling a complete 360 if they do. Before Zero 3 came out, Vega was stated to have survived SF2 and recuperating during SF3. After Zero 3 appeared, he was declared as offed for good.

    Vega(Bison) or whatever you wanna call him made his return in the CVS series. I know CVS is not canon but why would Capcom make him better in CVS and more like his SF2 days as opposed to the Alpha series. I think Capcom thought about bringing him back.
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    someone told me ryu boned elena, and out came sean... is this true!!??
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Yes, Elena, a high school girl, was able to give birth to Sean, a high school boy. It all makes sense, now.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    According to Canon Guile was the only fighter to make it to the finals against Bison. Before the match started Akuma came in...
    We're not completely certain on who made it to Vega (just that Guile is the most likely due to deepest motive), nor when Gouki jumped in for the kill.
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    So there is no official SF2 winner. SF1 winner was Ryu by beating Sagat with his Evil incarnation (Dark Hadou)...I still don't see why Ryu is viewed as a main character in SF like Liu Kanf from MK...Guile was the main "hero" until the Akuma thing. Also, I don't know who won SF3, maybe Alex or someone like that. Would be cool if Gill came back along with Bison(dictator) and Sagat.
    Only in Japan is Ryu viewed as officially "the main character" for SF, the Zero series, and SF2 because he's whom the storyline revolves around the most. Capcom USA has never taken such an "official" stand, but for SF2 they leaned toward Guile because he's with the deepest links to SF2's main antagonist. Alex did win SF3.
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    Vega(Bison) or whatever you wanna call him made his return in the CVS series. I know CVS is not canon but why would Capcom make him better in CVS and more like his SF2 days as opposed to the Alpha series. I think Capcom thought about bringing him back.

    You call him one or the other to keep the confusion down; since you start with "Akuma", call him Bison. As for Capcom making him better in versus series because they thought to resurrect him, doubtful. His bio's with SF2 data, just as if he was snatched from SF2's timeline period and placed into the new crossover universe just like everyone else with their respective games and bios.
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    TiamatRoar wrote:
    Yes, Elena, a high school girl, was able to give birth to Sean, a high school boy. It all makes sense, now.

    I'm gonna hate it for that guy when he finds out about the tooth fairy. :shake:
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    I think Vega (M. Bison) is originally from Columbia in the SF storyline. Columbia has most of the big crime/drug cartels, etc. Vega is a spanish name. So if they ever have SF4 and bring back Vega (M. Bison) you will probably be fighting him at his stage in Columbia.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    I think Vega (M. Bison) is originally from Columbia in the SF storyline. Columbia has most of the big crime/drug cartels, etc. Vega is a spanish name. So if they ever have SF4 and bring back Vega (M. Bison) you will probably be fighting him at his stage in Columbia.

    Interesting theory. His name however comes from Arabic origins rather than Spanish.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    vasili10 wrote:
    Interesting theory. His name however comes from Arabic origins rather than Spanish.

    Really? Arabic? Now that would be a twist...in todays world...Vega(Bison) being a Muslim extremist?...

    Got these from the web:

    Vega - Arabic - The falling star.

    Sagat - First name of Sagat Petchyindee, legendary Muay Thai fighter with a fighting history equalled by no other man. Sagat had a grand total of 317 matches throughout his career and losing very few of them. He also happened to influence a certain videogame....
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jion_Wansu wrote:

    Vega - Arabic - The falling star.

    Yep, that's the reference Capcom used.

    Interesting Sagat info.:tup:
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    How about Goutetsu as a boss character in SF4? They also could say that Goutetsu did not die...Just look at Tekken 5 with Jinpachi. how old is Jinpachi? 100+???

    If this movie is canon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha:_Generations

    then Gouki (Akuma) is Ryu's father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,062 mod
    There are 3 ways to interpret that movie.

    Fuka is Gouki and Sayaka's daughter. Fuka and Sayaka daughter had the same exact seiyuu (voice actor) in the Japanese version, aside from looking nearly identical.

    Ryu is Gouki and Sayaka's son.

    Fuka is Gouken and Sayaka's daughter. Vasili10 has a good explanation for this possibility, since he's active on this thread I'll leave that up to him.

    Seems like they don't outright say in typical anime fashion, "What do you think? It's up to the viewer to decide." Even the seiyuus on the DVD interview were confused by the entire thing.

    In none of the games, All About books, SF Eternal or anything like that Capcom has never said that Gouki is Ryu's father. Take it as you will.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Jion_Wansu wrote:
    How about Goutetsu as a boss character in SF4? They also could say that Goutetsu did not die...Just look at Tekken 5 with Jinpachi. how old is Jinpachi? 100+???

    If this movie is canon

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Fighter_Alpha:_Generations

    then Gouki (Akuma) is Ryu's father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Goutetsu as a SF4 boss character would be even less likely than Gouken; we don't know how the latter died, the former was murdered by the shungokusatsu, bloodied corpse and all.

    Alpha Generations like all other animes, comics, and mangas is not canon. The SF2 Animated Movie comes the closest to canon status and it still isn't.
  • Bass X0Bass X0 Joined: Posts: 169
    I don't want Goutetsu or Gouken returning in a canon sequel. However, something like Capcom vs. SNK 3 or Capcom Fighting Jam 2, I would like to see them in.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    What happened to this thread? Anyways the real meaning of "Vega" in Street Fighter is on the previous page.
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