Street Fighter II & "official" canon

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  • ChrnoChrno Rasuke Joined: Posts: 273
    Ehh, that "all in one street fighter guide" said something like if anyone were to be with chunli it would have been charlie. So seeing as charlie is dead, capcom gave her babies to take care of instead...

    yeah......

    ryu is in love with fighting anyway, lol
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Not only that, but if Chun Li were to ever hook up with Ryu, she'd have to endure his horrid table manners. Funny and official.:rofl:
  • scum gale 88scum gale 88 yo! It's SYBOK! Joined: Posts: 1,739
    Is there any documented relationship between Bison and Akuma?

    I mean everyone is so hung up on this akuma kills bison stuff, but honesty there is no direct evidence of anything other than a possible encounter in Alpha 3, where Bison dismisses the Dark Hadou as weak in comparison to the psycho power.

    But in terms of the relevant games - the street fighter 2 series - their is only the implication of the ancient one in bison's ending, a person who may or may not be akuma.

    All im saying is that the explanation that akuma killed bison is unsatisfactory because there is no established motive or basis in the games for doing so. The fact that he randomly jumped in and killed him is pretty anti-climactic and ill thought out unless there is some sort of underlying relationship or rivalry between the two. Does anyone have any knowledge of a substantial connection?

    does there really need to be a motive behind this? akuma is just an asshole
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    does there really need to be a motive behind this? akuma is just an asshole

    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it. There's practically nothing linking Akuma to Bison rather than a manga that capcom wouldn't consider canon in the first place.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well I believe that Akuma/Gouki did not really kill Bison/Vega since Capcom in CFJ had some ending where it shows Gill in Vega's ending. I know CFJ isn't really canon but why do that ending and also why redraw him to make him like the Super Turbo version where he throws off his cape and all. I bet Capcom had Dictator planned for SF4 before they sold the rights to Capcom USA...so now we're never going to see SF4 ever!!!
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    Well I believe that Akuma/Gouki did not really kill Bison/Vega since Capcom in CFJ had some ending where it shows Gill in Vega's ending. I know CFJ isn't really canon but why do that ending and also why redraw him to make him like the Super Turbo version where he throws off his cape and all. I bet Capcom had Dictator planned for SF4 before they sold the rights to Capcom USA...so now we're never going to see SF4 ever!!!

    LOL CFJ isn't canon for very obvious reasons. That ending also had Sagat still working for him and all 12 dolls still under his command. :looney:

    As nice as I can put this... does Studio Udon who did those endings know how to draw Vega(cape) any other way? Course I'm sure HD ST will shut me up quick but I haven't seen his skinny variant show up in comics yet lol!

    Capcom said Gouki killed him in SF2 so Gouki killed him in SF2. That's kind of it really...

    If it makes any difference in SF EX land he is alive and Gouki's dead. :rofl:
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it. There's practically nothing linking Akuma to Bison rather than a manga that capcom wouldn't consider canon in the first place.

    Which manga, Crap?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Which manga, Crap?

    There was a manga (RYU, Sutorto Fait? Ts? Ry?, I think thats it..) that featured gouken getting beaten by a young bison because he couldn't find the "powerful one" (akuma) or something (someone stated it earlier in the thread) and it was a sanctioned manga by capcom. (or so i've heard)
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    If it makes any difference in SF EX land he is alive and Gouki's dead. :rofl:

    One of the reasons the EX story is better than the official storyline :rofl:
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    There was a manga (RYU, Sutorto Fait? Ts? Ry?, I think thats it..) that featured gouken getting beaten by a young bison because he couldn't find the "powerful one" (akuma) or something (someone stated it earlier in the thread) and it was a sanctioned manga by capcom. (or so i've heard)

    That's the same one that Udon's re-translating & re-releasing. There's no Gouki referenced in that one (not even any of the new challengers are in that manga, it's that old), and Gouken doesn't just get beaten by Vega in it, he dies and Ryu's enraged.

    Also I said this on page 1 here, but:

    Officially sanctioned doesn't necessarily mean canon. There were many commercialized manga and plenty of fan-made doujinshi about the SF universe, but only a handful can take credit for certain elements becoming canon, and as far as I know only one is completely official because its story was written directly by Capcom.

    Capcom Japan holds the manga SF2 Ryu in high regard because it introduced two things to later become canon: Gouken and his design, and the Shadoloo drug doll.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Officially sanctioned doesn't necessarily mean canon.

    Thats what I said. I just mentioned it because someone earlier stated it to be a possible reason of why akuma would kill bison.
  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,415 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it.

    Yeah: he only fights those strong enough to be considered a challenge...then he kills them instead of giving them a chance to get better and provide a greater challenge later. See?! He's an asshole.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Yeah: he only fights those strong enough to be considered a challenge...then he kills them instead of giving them a chance to get better and provide a greater challenge later. See?! He's an asshole.

    Well duh
  • The TruthThe Truth King of Iron Fist Joined: Posts: 54
    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.
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    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.

    The hell?

    Alex beat Gill (Ending for SF3 DI, Gill let him win)

    Ryu's ending in SF2 isn't anymore valid than anyone else's. As I'm sure was said many times in this thread, the winner of that tournie is uncertain, likely Guile or Chun though.
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  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Liu Kang was the winner of SF2. Close the thread.
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    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.

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  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,153 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Oh snap he's dead too. :looney:

    Akuma probably jumped out and killed him! :wink:
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I read on fighters generation...

    That sounds about right.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    Seriously The Truth read this thread. Or the first link in my sig. Or heck see if you can get your hands on a copy of Street Fighter Eternal Challenge. Anything other than Fighters Generation it's full of lots of misinformation...
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Is it me or are they trying to make Heihachi Mishima the Akuma of Tekken

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    Federico Castelluccio = Vega
    Kelly Hu = Chun Li
    Marc Alaimo = M. Bison
    Chris Masters = Gill/Urien
    Castelluccio isn't good looking enough (from what i remember vega is extremely vain due to his looks, hence the protective mask)
    Kelly Hu is perfect, at first i thought she was just a hawt model but she's proven herself physically in X2
    Alaimo is too old
    Masters' muscles are too huge, he'd have to tone down and maybe be taller, so i think at the point of the current google pictures (^_^) he looks like a better Alex than anything
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I don't know if this has been answered already, but are the udon comics considered canon? it seems that they are going by the official story so far...
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Also, where does Street Fighter 2010 fit in?

    It doesn't. The game was originally with a main character by the name of Kevin, not Ken from SF.
    I don't know if this has been answered already, but are the udon comics considered canon? it seems that they are going by the official story so far...

    No they aren't, and even the comics have their own diversions despite their efforts to stay consistent.
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    You know reading some of the stuff in this thread shows me that SF has a storyline almost on the lines of Tekken and King of Fighters. i bring this up because this guy on another site said SF has a stupid storyling and doesn't compare to KOF's storyline.
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    Come on Sano, everyone knows DeeJay got the win.

    some believe deejay also won the King of Fighters Tournament as well...






    .... without any team mates....


    :rolleyes:
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Regarding Gill: I didn't know he was in his 20s in Third Strike.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    Do you guys think that an SF sequal will come out in 2008 or 2010?

    2008 check a few forums above this one for more info lol! :lovin:
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    :smile: Seems like I was right :lol: Anyways, now we can talk about a Sagat return...

    Now we can see who Q really is? Will he be Bison (Dictator)???
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    Nah he's dead lol!

    I like not knowing who Q is, some mystery is good. It's like how we don't know who Red X is in Teen Titans. Not every Question should be answered lol! It would be great to see him in SF4 though, maybe revealing if he's a robot or a human would be enough.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    check out post 131 :smile:

    Wonder if Seth and Gouken will be playable in home versions and if any Third Strike characters are in home versions...since seth has Urien's shoulder tackle it leads me to believe that Seth was created the same way Twelve was...
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    check out post 131 :smile:

    Wonder if Seth and Gouken will be playable in home versions and if any Third Strike characters are in home versions...since seth has Urien's shoulder tackle it leads me to believe that Seth was created the same way Twelve was...

    More like the same way Necro was. Seth willingly gave his body for reconstruction.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Hmmm...after watching SF:The Legend of Chun Li earlier today...it looks like we have gotten our storylines answered.

    If you watched the whole credits at the end you will see that the movie is an official movie by Capcom!!!

    Which means it is safe to say that this movie is 99% canon.

    Now we know Dictator's(Bison) and Gen's origins. No wonder Rose knows so much about bison. It was cool to see a picture of a Bison (the animal) on one of the curtain decorations in the Shadaloo headquarters.

    When Gen received the necklace of the bird, do you suppose Dhalsim gave it to him?

    Also looks like there will be a sequel to this movie. I wonder if the sequel will be based on the SFA series or the SF2 series. At the end it did say World Warrior Tournament on the flyer...

    Looks like storyline wise, this movie takes place before SF1 because Gen is in the SF1 tournament. So maybe next movie is SF1 and SFA series timeline...Gen is younger in the movie.

    Looks like the Bison that was killed is actually a body double or a clone...

    In the sequel we will most definitely see Akuma (hopefully) because Gen and Nash were still alive after the movie.

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    Woo Thanks Lord vega

    I finally got the words Vega said to Rose when he grabs his face off the Subtitles.

    It wasn't far from what I heard at all.

    ????????,??????
    ???????????

    And it means exactly what it was translated into

    "I'm taking back what I deposited into you, With full Interest..."

    sound like most things in the new Street Fighter movie is canon...
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    Do you actually believe SF Legend of Chung Li will have a sequel? (yes Chung...according to Moviefone.com:looney:)

    Maybe a direct to DVD...??

    And even if it is endorsed by Capcom, it matters very little. Capcom has cbeen onflicting against their own storylines for years. And the few things that seem permanent just get retconned anyway.

    How many people have survived the Shun Goku Satsu?
    In fact has anyone even been killed by the damn thing?:lol:
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    Akuma Killed Goutetsu with the SGS 20 years before SF2
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  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    All movies, anime and so forth say they are officially from Capcom, some of them even have Capcom employees working on it (Keiji Inafune was one of the executive producers of this movie, the first Street Fighter Alpha movie was executive produced by Okamoto). The live action Resident Evil movies are officially from Capcom and they have nothing to do with the games or are ever acknowledged by them.

    For things to be 'canon' Capcom has to actually step in and say it is. Which has happened at times with the Devil May Cry anime (Kobayashi said it explains how Lady met Trish) and Resident Evil Degeneration (made by the gaming staff really). I doubt this live action would get such a statement, just because it would take away a lot of wiggle room for them in the future.

    SF4 The Ties That Bind is probably official. At least until Capcom does something to contradict that too, but nothing too major happens in it really. Great anime though.

    All that aside I thought the live action Chun-Li flick was a decent movie. 3 1/2 stars from me. Not a must see or a rental, but a 'watch it on TV' kind of film.
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    Hang on I thought Ryu beat Alex in SF3 or is it 3S I am thinking off
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    Hang on I thought Ryu beat Alex in SF3 or is it 3S I am thinking off



    He did but I don't think it was in the tournament.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,569
    edited October 2013
    wrote: »
    Post anything Street Fighter related here (Not vs games, since they are not canon)

    In the first World Warrior tournament (Street Fighter I) we all pretty much know that Ryu won. In the second World Warrior tournament Guile won. Guile was going to kill Bison but his wife stopped him from doing it. Right after this happens Akuma comes from out of nowhere and does the Shun Goku Satsu and kills M. Bison. So M. Bison is officially dead. So who wins SFIII? The Bison we see in SF2 is Bison's second body that his scientists created for him. His real body was the one in SFA3. Supposedly at the end of SFA3 Bison and Rose fused so that Bison loses half of his negative energy, thus making him weaker in SF2. Sagat is still alive during SF III but choses not to enter the SF III tournament until Ryu can purge his dark side. Sagat only wants pure fights. If Capcom makes SF4 we'll probably see Sagat in SF4.

    That was some of the stories from the official canon. In the storyline we know Bison is weaker in SF2, but as we all know that this is the complete opposite in gameplay. Both Bison and Vega suffer from SNK Boss Syndrom in SF2 World Warrior. I was playing World Warrior (US 910206)the other day and noticed that the AI controlled characters (especially the 4 bosses) were much harder and did not fall for some of the patterns in later versions of World Warrior. Here's and example: IF you do the statue on Vega with Guile then Vega just slides constantly. However, if you do the statue with Guile in the version then Vega will either fierce punch you or jump kick you and you get hit. Also I have noticed that when Vega wins the second time and takes off his mask he is supposed to yodel, but in this version when he takes off the mask he has the Chun Li laugh. I was like, WTF?!?

    Also, I was Ryu VS AI controlled Blanka. Blanka executes his electricity, I am standing next to him and perform a Hadouken. Normally Ryu would get hit with the electricity, but in this version it shows Ryu in his Hadouken animation and right before the fireball if you hold back the Hadouken will cancel and he will block the electricity!

    Ken is also much more harder. He throws less fireballs and does not do random Shoryukens.

    It took me a while to beat Vega. Now I can understand when people said that they have never seen anyone beat Vega back in the day. They were probably playing this version.

    The question is: is this version a prototype or something?

    Wow yeah my original post. Yeah in this version of WW Claw is the cheapest SOB I know...

    vasili10 wrote: »
    check out post 131 :smile:

    Wonder if Seth and Gouken will be playable in home versions and if any Third Strike characters are in home versions...since seth has Urien's shoulder tackle it leads me to believe that Seth was created the same way Twelve was...

    More like the same way Necro was. Seth willingly gave his body for reconstruction.

    LOL I predicted Gouken and Seth as playable in 2008 and the return of Dictator as well. Too funny. But yes, are Twelve and Seth related somehow...
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 12,987 mod
    edited October 2013
    There's no clear connection but yeah it does seem that Seth and S.I.N are somewhat a bridge between Shadowloo and Gill and Urien's organization. For now the bridge seems to be artistically and symbolically; like a transition for gamers of sorts.

    Would be nice if Udon fleshed some of that out but they don't seem to be going that route with their SF3 story. Especially with Master Bison hanging out with Urien as opposed to Seth.

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