Street Fighter II & "official" canon

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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    What happened to this thread?

    Nothing, it can only go so far when it's posted here and it's not fed to the monster.
  • DebaserDebaser no box required Joined: Posts: 803
    That blasphemy called a movie is not considered canon. It was made by CoA so it isn't officially canon. Goutetsu was killed by Gouki in the same fashion as Gouken. So nyah.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    That blasphemy called a movie is not considered canon. It was made by CoA so it isn't officially canon. Goutetsu was killed by Gouki in the same fashion as Gouken. So nyah.

    It was not made by CoA Debaser, no animes have ever been made directly by Capcom or any of its branches. We also don't know how Gouken died.
  • DebaserDebaser no box required Joined: Posts: 803
    We also don't know how Gouken died.
    Is this in the movie or in actual canon? I don't think it's a question of whether the anime was canon or not. I'm pretty sure it isn't.
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Is this in the movie or in actual canon? I don't think it's a question of whether the anime was canon or not. I'm pretty sure it isn't.

    Officially aka in actual canon we don't know how Gouken died, we just know that currently Gouki has the digit of demise.

    Yes, for all the animes, none are canon overall, but bits and pieces of canon can be found in nearly each one. The Zero OVA/Alpha Movie has some, Alpha Generations has some, SF2V and the abandoned TV special even have a few, and the SF2 Animated Movie has the most of course.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    It is most likely Gouken died of a Messatsu Gou Hadou Ken. I only say this because Gouken could null the Shun Goku Satsu. (I think Tiamat or someone explained the whole business with the "Void" and Shun Goku Satsu) So, question: Since Capcom has yet to every bring out another SF game (which most likely probably won't happen) will this thread go dead? I mean there is so many holes in the canon to be filled like the Gouken-thing (how'd he die, is he really dead, where the freak is his body) or whether or not Ryu will actually be under Oro's tutelage, etc etc?
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    If plot threads for Street Fighter haven't died yet despite a new canon game not being released in a decade, I don't think they'll be dying anytime soon.

    Besides, odds are Capcom will continue to add to the "canon" storyline via sheer milking of adding in a teeny bit more with a re-release like they currently do, anyways (SFA3 Max, etc). It's like printing money, after all.
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    It is most likely Gouken died of a Messatsu Gou Hadou Ken. I only say this because Gouken could null the Shun Goku Satsu. (I think Tiamat or someone explained the whole business with the "Void" and Shun Goku Satsu) So, question: Since Capcom has yet to every bring out another SF game (which most likely probably won't happen) will this thread go dead? I mean there is so many holes in the canon to be filled like the Gouken-thing (how'd he die, is he really dead, where the freak is his body) or whether or not Ryu will actually be under Oro's tutelage, etc etc?

    I had theorized that since Gouken had the kanji for "nothing" on his gi, he would be able to resist the SGS similarly to Gen. Just a theory though on whether he can or did so. In the manga Ryu Final he fell to it.

    It doesn't matter if this particular thread dies or not; it's not the monster.

    Gouken is currently dead, and his body is underneath his grave which Ryu annually visits. Those aren't holes.
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,038 mod
    Yeah man you can go continue any and all storyline related discussions here -

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showthread.php?t=173

    So whether or not this thread lives or dies doesn't matter like vasili10 said.
  • ObliterateObliterate Joined: Posts: 218
    I'm surprised we haven't seen a prequel fighter to Street Fighter that has all said characters (Gouken, Goutetsu, Akuma, Bison pre-psycho, etc.) in their younger years...SF Alpha 4 maybe?
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    I'm not too surprised. Three of those four guys you just mentioned are shotokans. I'd like to think Capcom isn't in a rush to create/have even MORE of those.
  • tajiritajiri hates you Joined: Posts: 1,253
    I'm not too surprised. Three of those four guys you just mentioned are ANSATSUKEN PRACTICIONERS. I'd like to think Capcom isn't in a rush to create/have even MORE of those.

    fixed.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    "Ansatsuken Practitioners" takes too long to type. :P I guess I could call them "Ansatsukens", but that sounds wierd and technically would include Gen as well despite him being completely different in terms of... well, everything.

    So I'll just continue to use the term that everyone knows what it means, even if its technically wrong at the most specific levels.
  • tajiritajiri hates you Joined: Posts: 1,253
    "Ansatsuken Practitioners" takes too long to type. :P I guess I could call them "Ansatsukens", but that sounds wierd and technically would include Gen as well despite him being completely different in terms of... well, everything.

    So I'll just continue to use the term that everyone knows what it means, even if its technically wrong at the most specific levels.

    lol. no worries.
    the people i play with are kind of anal when it comes to canon and "official" terms, so i got laughed at when i called ken&ryu "shotos"
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    It's either shotos or "ansatsus", and the latter also sounds kinda stupid and is an extra syllable with hard several consonants longer to say! And still doesn't get around the fact that it'd technically include Gen despite Gen being completely different.
  • Red-ImpactRed-Impact Breaking the chains Joined: Posts: 184
    so...

    are chul li and ryu going to make babies anytime soon?:confused:
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    so...

    are chul li and ryu going to make babies anytime soon?:confused:

    Why would they?
  • Red-ImpactRed-Impact Breaking the chains Joined: Posts: 184
    Why would they?

    main characters? azn?
    I conclude that those horses are not either mexican nor horses, but rather, they are fucking colombian drug smuggling donkeys. Stop coming to my fucking country you dirty immigrants! -Jaldaboath

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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    main characters? azn?

    Not likely. Neither has feelings for the other; they just see each other as formidable fighters. Since 3S, the only time confirmed that they saw each other was 8-10 years ago.
  • Red-ImpactRed-Impact Breaking the chains Joined: Posts: 184
    Not likely. Neither has feelings for the other; they just see each other as formidable fighters. Since 3S, the only time confirmed that they saw each other was 8-10 years ago.

    We need more love in the sf universe...some1 has to get chun li :confused:
    I conclude that those horses are not either mexican nor horses, but rather, they are fucking colombian drug smuggling donkeys. Stop coming to my fucking country you dirty immigrants! -Jaldaboath

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  • ChrnoChrno Rasuke Joined: Posts: 273
    Ehh, that "all in one street fighter guide" said something like if anyone were to be with chunli it would have been charlie. So seeing as charlie is dead, capcom gave her babies to take care of instead...

    yeah......

    ryu is in love with fighting anyway, lol
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  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Not only that, but if Chun Li were to ever hook up with Ryu, she'd have to endure his horrid table manners. Funny and official.:rofl:
  • scum gale 88scum gale 88 yo! It's SYBOK! Joined: Posts: 1,739
    Is there any documented relationship between Bison and Akuma?

    I mean everyone is so hung up on this akuma kills bison stuff, but honesty there is no direct evidence of anything other than a possible encounter in Alpha 3, where Bison dismisses the Dark Hadou as weak in comparison to the psycho power.

    But in terms of the relevant games - the street fighter 2 series - their is only the implication of the ancient one in bison's ending, a person who may or may not be akuma.

    All im saying is that the explanation that akuma killed bison is unsatisfactory because there is no established motive or basis in the games for doing so. The fact that he randomly jumped in and killed him is pretty anti-climactic and ill thought out unless there is some sort of underlying relationship or rivalry between the two. Does anyone have any knowledge of a substantial connection?

    does there really need to be a motive behind this? akuma is just an asshole
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    does there really need to be a motive behind this? akuma is just an asshole

    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it. There's practically nothing linking Akuma to Bison rather than a manga that capcom wouldn't consider canon in the first place.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well I believe that Akuma/Gouki did not really kill Bison/Vega since Capcom in CFJ had some ending where it shows Gill in Vega's ending. I know CFJ isn't really canon but why do that ending and also why redraw him to make him like the Super Turbo version where he throws off his cape and all. I bet Capcom had Dictator planned for SF4 before they sold the rights to Capcom USA...so now we're never going to see SF4 ever!!!
  • SanoSano SRKSANO on PS4 Joined: Posts: 13,038 mod
    Well I believe that Akuma/Gouki did not really kill Bison/Vega since Capcom in CFJ had some ending where it shows Gill in Vega's ending. I know CFJ isn't really canon but why do that ending and also why redraw him to make him like the Super Turbo version where he throws off his cape and all. I bet Capcom had Dictator planned for SF4 before they sold the rights to Capcom USA...so now we're never going to see SF4 ever!!!

    LOL CFJ isn't canon for very obvious reasons. That ending also had Sagat still working for him and all 12 dolls still under his command. :looney:

    As nice as I can put this... does Studio Udon who did those endings know how to draw Vega(cape) any other way? Course I'm sure HD ST will shut me up quick but I haven't seen his skinny variant show up in comics yet lol!

    Capcom said Gouki killed him in SF2 so Gouki killed him in SF2. That's kind of it really...

    If it makes any difference in SF EX land he is alive and Gouki's dead. :rofl:
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it. There's practically nothing linking Akuma to Bison rather than a manga that capcom wouldn't consider canon in the first place.

    Which manga, Crap?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Which manga, Crap?

    There was a manga (RYU, Sutorto Fait? Ts? Ry?, I think thats it..) that featured gouken getting beaten by a young bison because he couldn't find the "powerful one" (akuma) or something (someone stated it earlier in the thread) and it was a sanctioned manga by capcom. (or so i've heard)
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    If it makes any difference in SF EX land he is alive and Gouki's dead. :rofl:

    One of the reasons the EX story is better than the official storyline :rofl:
  • vasili10vasili10 Forever waits Joined: Posts: 4,394 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    There was a manga (RYU, Sutorto Fait? Ts? Ry?, I think thats it..) that featured gouken getting beaten by a young bison because he couldn't find the "powerful one" (akuma) or something (someone stated it earlier in the thread) and it was a sanctioned manga by capcom. (or so i've heard)

    That's the same one that Udon's re-translating & re-releasing. There's no Gouki referenced in that one (not even any of the new challengers are in that manga, it's that old), and Gouken doesn't just get beaten by Vega in it, he dies and Ryu's enraged.

    Also I said this on page 1 here, but:

    Officially sanctioned doesn't necessarily mean canon. There were many commercialized manga and plenty of fan-made doujinshi about the SF universe, but only a handful can take credit for certain elements becoming canon, and as far as I know only one is completely official because its story was written directly by Capcom.

    Capcom Japan holds the manga SF2 Ryu in high regard because it introduced two things to later become canon: Gouken and his design, and the Shadoloo drug doll.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Officially sanctioned doesn't necessarily mean canon.

    Thats what I said. I just mentioned it because someone earlier stated it to be a possible reason of why akuma would kill bison.
  • Rhio2kRhio2k Senior Member Joined: Posts: 11,510 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well akuma doesn't really go out and randomly kill people from what I recall. Every murder he caused there was always some sort of explanation for it.

    Yeah: he only fights those strong enough to be considered a challenge...then he kills them instead of giving them a chance to get better and provide a greater challenge later. See?! He's an asshole.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Yeah: he only fights those strong enough to be considered a challenge...then he kills them instead of giving them a chance to get better and provide a greater challenge later. See?! He's an asshole.

    Well duh
  • The TruthThe Truth King of Iron Fist Joined: Posts: 54
    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.
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    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.

    The hell?

    Alex beat Gill (Ending for SF3 DI, Gill let him win)

    Ryu's ending in SF2 isn't anymore valid than anyone else's. As I'm sure was said many times in this thread, the winner of that tournie is uncertain, likely Guile or Chun though.
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  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Liu Kang was the winner of SF2. Close the thread.
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    I read on fighters generation a few months ago that Alex fought gill and while he put up a fight he lost and gill decided to challenge the world warrior himself Ryu so wouldn't that make Ryu the winner of sf2. Also in Ryu's ending he never showed up to claim his title and bison and Sagat were at the booth waiting but Ryu was els where uppercutting a mountain so he probably defeated everyone but left because he was looking for the next challenge.

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  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,157 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Oh snap he's dead too. :looney:

    Akuma probably jumped out and killed him! :wink:
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I read on fighters generation...

    That sounds about right.
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