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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,408
    What the fuck do you think the instructors are doing after every one leaves for the night?

    They're disinfecting the place. Not just for the adults sake, but for any kids training too. It's not just ringworm or staph that can spread, it's chickenpox, the flu, or even just common colds.
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  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    why would you need to clean your belt if your art is just a striking art :confused: so strange
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  • MIRACLEARROWMIRACLEARROW Kendoka Joined: Posts: 2,060
    edited January 18
    Wasted wrote: »
    What the fuck do you think the instructors are doing after every one leaves for the night?

    They're disinfecting the place. Not just for the adults sake, but for any kids training too. It's not just ringworm or staph that can spread, it's chickenpox, the flu, or even just common colds.

    Also, any Japanese Dojo, we're cleaning it before and after every single class.
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    Ki Shima wrote: »
    why would you need to clean your belt if your art is just a striking art :confused: so strange

    wut? nigga do you know how germs work?
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  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    maxx wrote: »
    Ki Shima wrote: »
    why would you need to clean your belt if your art is just a striking art :confused: so strange

    wut? nigga do you know how germs work?

    I don't go to a Karate Dojo so I don't care either way :rofl: Maybe its lost in translation that only black belts get treated that way, maybe black belts that are only used on special occasions
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    Ki Shima wrote: »
    Grapplers have to hold two on one (hands) to maintain their grapple, this is fine with no attacking vital points but the grappler will have to reset his grasp to prevent dangerous strikes to eyes, finger breaks, throat strikes, bites, knee collapsing (all things banned in mma). This is the reality. Grappling needs to manipulate with two hands but these things alter the grappling process. That's the reality of street fighting

    Fortunately, what you say is very wrong. Training in proven effective martial arts which include submission grappling and even basic striking, such as boxing, will help prepare an individual for these weak point attacks you specifically point out.

    Your arguments sound reasonable. "Kick them in the balls and they'll fall"*. These techniques fail in reality against trained opponents because...

    1. If they are going for techniques that cannot be practiced in fully resistant sparring, then they have no idea how to apply it in a real situation.
    On the other hand, reaching for the groin or face during a standing or grounded situation? Looks like some half assed technique to lift the leg or push my face back. I've dealt with that thousands of times. I've had attempts to grab my ears, toes, and fingers, and I've countered; that last part wasn't too hard as well. Gracies dealt with the same thing in vale tudo.

    2. Everything the grappler/wrestling is doing has probably been practiced hundreds of times against full resistant opponents. It works. They're adaptable.

    3. The grappler/wrestling has really great conditioning. Sure ok, you manage to get in a shot to the balls or face, a "weak point". They can take a hit. I've taken shots to the balls and kept going. I've been punched in the eye and fought through.

    4. Sometimes, and everyone should agree about this, the attack to the weak point works. An unskilled attacker can always get lucky. This is why you should always avoid the fight. I've been hit by cheap shots (all but one not actually intended for me) and been lucky so far to not get knocked out and crack my skull on the pavement.

    5. Weapons change everything. Out numbering the victim changes everything. That's the reality on the street. Training on techniques that cannot be practiced on a live opponent and a fully resistant opponent, cannot be relied on. This is proven over and over and over in "the streets" and in the octagon.


    *Random aside: Murakami's book 1Q84 (yes in reference to the distopian 1984) has a main female character who talks about perfecting the technique of kicking a man in the balls. She goes to great lengths to understand what it means for a man to get his nuts crunched. The end of the world was mentioned. In the context of women's self defense courses.

    It was fucking hilarious.
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    MCP wrote: »
    Ki Shima wrote: »
    Grapplers have to hold two on one (hands) to maintain their grapple, this is fine with no attacking vital points but the grappler will have to reset his grasp to prevent dangerous strikes to eyes, finger breaks, throat strikes, bites, knee collapsing (all things banned in mma). This is the reality. Grappling needs to manipulate with two hands but these things alter the grappling process. That's the reality of street fighting

    Fortunately, what you say is very wrong. Training in proven effective martial arts which include submission grappling and even basic striking, such as boxing, will help prepare an individual for these weak point attacks you specifically point out.

    Your arguments sound reasonable. "Kick them in the balls and they'll fall"*. These techniques fail in reality against trained opponents because...

    1. If they are going for techniques that cannot be practiced in fully resistant sparring, then they have no idea how to apply it in a real situation.
    On the other hand, reaching for the groin or face during a standing or grounded situation? Looks like some half assed technique to lift the leg or push my face back. I've dealt with that thousands of times. I've had attempts to grab my ears, toes, and fingers, and I've countered; that last part wasn't too hard as well. Gracies dealt with the same thing in vale tudo.

    2. Everything the grappler/wrestling is doing has probably been practiced hundreds of times against full resistant opponents. It works. They're adaptable.

    3. The grappler/wrestling has really great conditioning. Sure ok, you manage to get in a shot to the balls or face, a "weak point". They can take a hit. I've taken shots to the balls and kept going. I've been punched in the eye and fought through.

    4. Sometimes, and everyone should agree about this, the attack to the weak point works. An unskilled attacker can always get lucky. This is why you should always avoid the fight. I've been hit by cheap shots (all but one not actually intended for me) and been lucky so far to not get knocked out and crack my skull on the pavement.

    5. Weapons change everything. Out numbering the victim changes everything. That's the reality on the street. Training on techniques that cannot be practiced on a live opponent and a fully resistant opponent, cannot be relied on. This is proven over and over and over in "the streets" and in the octagon.


    *Random aside: Murakami's book 1Q84 (yes in reference to the distopian 1984) has a main female character who talks about perfecting the technique of kicking a man in the balls. She goes to great lengths to understand what it means for a man to get his nuts crunched. The end of the world was mentioned. In the context of women's self defense courses.

    It was fucking hilarious.

    So grapplers are used to it all? Then why is it banned in UFC if its supposed to be about real fighting?

    Nobody wants to get bitten, nobody wants to get their eyes poked out for good, nobody wants theirs knees crippled for good. These things will happen if your opponent is trained to make those situations happen. You talk as if they're just random occurrence's YES they are if you don't have those kind of intentions. The best fighters you'll find on this planet fight like animals they don't lose themselves in the name of their art they lose themselves in the name of ripping your eyes out.

    Stop avoiding the reality of grappling on pavement

    Stop avoiding the reality of HOW SENSITIVE YOUR EYES ARE

    You can practice moves trillions of times, a real fight is a mess. You may be able to control someone who is just emotional and doesn't know what he's doing but a real dirty fighter that knows what he's doing and has nothing to lose will fuck you up good. Which is why its best to run or at least keep your distance


    You have less chance of running if you ONLY practice grappling, you need to be proficient at all distances. But if its a guy with a knife he is MOST LIKELY going to pull it out while your trying to do that wrestling move that's on your mind. Appreciating distance control allows you to assess his intentions while eliminating the potential of a random stabbing. And even if he didn't have a weapon on him do you really want to go into grappling when you have no idea how good they are? It's madness.

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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    You have never trained, you would know headbutts, elbows, eyepokes, low blows, knees happen

    It isn't called the gentle art
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,408
    edited January 20
    dab00g wrote: »
    You have never trained, you would know headbutts, elbows, eyepokes, low blows, knees happen

    It isn't called the gentle art

    Pretty sure that's exactly what "jujutsu" translates to, actually.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    I do grappling. Or catch. I know bij calls itself the soft art and judo is also that.

    It's a misnomer
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    edited January 20
    dab00g wrote: »
    You have never trained, you would know headbutts, elbows, eyepokes, low blows, knees happen

    It isn't called the gentle art

    I'm quite good at the sport type of mma fighting, I enjoy it a lot and have very very good footwork. I go to gyms and people want to learn from me.

    But the reality of fighting is its not as clean cut as it looks in mma, those are talented fighters who are limited by rules, not only for SAFETY (in a fight? :confused: ) but also to keep the fights interesting for the viewers, the people who are bringing the money. Ufc/mma is a business, the more they promote systems the more support they cultivate across the board
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  • Tekno VirusTekno Virus small man big strength Joined: Posts: 8,778
    That's why you should train Hokuto Shinken. If you train for mutants on a nuclear wasteland, you can handle anything on the streets.
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  • MIRACLEARROWMIRACLEARROW Kendoka Joined: Posts: 2,060
    edited January 20
    Wasted wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    You have never trained, you would know headbutts, elbows, eyepokes, low blows, knees happen

    It isn't called the gentle art

    Pretty sure that's exactly what "jujutsu" translates to, actually.

    That's Judo too actually.
    'The Gentle Way' is the direct translation of Judo.
    The Ju character in both Judo and Jiu in Jiu Jitsu means soft or gentle.
    Then Do meaning way(that is a much more complicated definition) and Jitsu coming from Jutsu meaning waza, method, or technique.
    Thats why the joke is the 'not so' gentle way.
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    Ki Shima wrote: »
    So grapplers are used to it all? Then why is it banned in UFC if its supposed to be about real fighting?

    Nobody wants to get bitten, nobody wants to get their eyes poked out for good, nobody wants theirs knees crippled for good. These things will happen if your opponent is trained to make those situations happen. You talk as if they're just random occurrence's YES they are if you don't have those kind of intentions. The best fighters you'll find on this planet fight like animals they don't lose themselves in the name of their art they lose themselves in the name of ripping your eyes out.

    Stop avoiding the reality of grappling on pavement

    Stop avoiding the reality of HOW SENSITIVE YOUR EYES ARE

    You can practice moves trillions of times, a real fight is a mess. You may be able to control someone who is just emotional and doesn't know what he's doing but a real dirty fighter that knows what he's doing and has nothing to lose will fuck you up good. Which is why its best to run or at least keep your distance


    You have less chance of running if you ONLY practice grappling, you need to be proficient at all distances. But if its a guy with a knife he is MOST LIKELY going to pull it out while your trying to do that wrestling move that's on your mind. Appreciating distance control allows you to assess his intentions while eliminating the potential of a random stabbing. And even if he didn't have a weapon on him do you really want to go into grappling when you have no idea how good they are? It's madness.

    Ok ok.
    Let me try to put it into my point of view.

    First, I'm not saying BJJ/grappling is the end all be all. I'm trying to say it's a valid and efficient form of training that leads to strong and adaptable martial artists.

    Second,
    Every time I've run into someone talks about attacking the weak points and makes a list, as you did, they are using that as an excuse to avoid the hard work involved in training to fight.

    It's not about avoiding reality that eyes and groins are weak points or that fights are messy. Everyone learns that.
    It's about practicing what can be practiced in safe, meaningful, and efficient training methods. Using intelligence to try out new methods. Traveling to experience different types of opponents.

    When people talk about gouging the eyes, all I've ever seen it used as, is an excuse to avoid training that involves long term hard work and discipline that leads to growth and a strong ability to adapt.

    I can see you're focusing in on BJJ doesn't teach you weapons or that grappling is limited. It is limited and it doesn't teach about weapons.

    An able BJJ practitioner can go to an Escrima or self defense courses and quickly adapt to the skills required. It's encouraged within the system to learn new things. They can then apply the practical and efficient training methods they are used to in order to become adaptable.

    So you can see my hypothesis stems from the previous experiences that people who list weak points use it as an excuse to avoid the hard work put in by, for example, a BJJ student.

    If you are not such a person, then may the force be with you.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    Being one legged for 4 weeks really thinned out my legs.

    Going to be leg days forever

    Grappling is an ever changing flowing thing

    This is why judo, wrestling, bjj, catch, and even muay thai and aikido can blend together
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,854
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,854
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.

    I'm in the UK they only let you carry a rape bell :|
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 20
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.

    I'm in the UK they only let you carry a rape bell :|

    If you are so worried about your sister it would be better to teach her to not be alone, be more aware of her surroundings, and have dependable real friends. If she is in school have her join the track team instead. If you really want her to get into martial arts maybe Wing Chun, however a lot of places have degraded this shit into just art. Are you allowed to carry a knife in the UK, if not, I'm sure you can come up with a substitute for one. I'm pretty sure the UK has enough white knights that a girl screaming for help is enough to get a guy jumped even if he didn't do anything.
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    edited January 20
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    Sorry mr jeet kun do. Do not let her take some fru fru kung fu or wing chun or karate classes.

    But your sister would do well to learn something like muay thai to keep the scumbags off of her. That clinch game and those knees, kicks, elbows? Or even a boxing gym. I know the uk is full of good kickboxing and boxing gyms. Look for ones with lineage to golden glory since you are in europe.

    Way good for self defense.

    Wifey does muay thai with me and started doing catch.

    Muay thai takes up less time and will have her looking fucking good depending on the coach

    Well the benefits for wifey was her self confidence inwardly and her banging body

    But that is just me.

    As far as grappling goes look for a snake pit or a wiggan place. Snakepit is where they teach catch wrestling. UK people need to get on that.
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    Unless she wants to do it competitively and put a large amount of time and effort into it, I do not recommend Muay Thai for her.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,408
    edited January 20
    Casual Muay Thai is a joke, no different to the "boxing" classes you see at your local 24/7 gym.

    The typical Muay Thai scrub still has weak shins and a shitty clinch game. They still flinch when their shins get checked.

    It takes dedication to be truly devastating and build up the conditioning required.
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  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,854
    Casual anything is a joke but I think grappling will teach essential survival skills (a decent pair of running shoes would be good too).
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    edited January 20
    That is why i said reputable gym

    I was under the assumption it would be at least 4 days a week

    Also any good grappling/muay thai gym weeds out casuals with the warm up routine

    People who show up still after getting through 4 sessions are good to go
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 20
    Casual anything is a joke but I think grappling will teach essential survival skills (a decent pair of running shoes would be good too).

    What kind of situation are you trying to prepare her for?

    BJJ and Judo have a lot of rules/limitations.

    You want to learn how to get out of a hold, that is important, but the methods shouldn't be limited to a simple sport like you see in UFC. Putting someone in a hold isn't really a good idea in a real life environment. Will her real life experience if she is attacked be 1 v 1? I've seen grapplers try to choke someone out on the street and then get stabbed or have a friend come from behind and knock the guy out cold. Also even if she does competitive Muay Thai, a lot of techniques are designed to wear down the opponent over time, which develops bad habits and wastes energy.

    A lot of times I have seen people get injured, including girls, because they tried to escalate a fight.

    It's good to have confidence when you are training but when you are on the street you need to understand that anyone can be stronger, faster, smarter, etc, than you. Luck plays a factor too. Do you want to put your safety in the hands of luck? Anyone can have a knife or a gun, regardless if the law allows it or not. Real life isn't going to be 1 v 1 all the time with rules and the environment, physical obstacles, etc, play a huge factor. Being street smart will help more. This one kid I knew that personally trained with Gracie in Manhattan was good with rules but if you try a street fight in the rain his footwork, grappling, vision, etc went to shit. It was an embarrassment to see someone who gets paid to fight complain about something like water getting in his eyes.

    If you want your sister to be safe, becoming a pro fighter isn't going to guarantee it. The strongest fighter in the world can still get shot or stabbed from out of nowhere. Staying safe is avoiding dangerous situations, increasing awareness, knowing how to get out of dangerous situations (like I said get your sister on her school track team and also she should maintain a good diet to stay healthy in shape, good for one's life overall), learning to deescalate conflict, etc. Girls that I know that train actually got attacked more often than girls that kept a low profile and some that trained got injuries as a result of training.


  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    God here we go with "street rules" again like we are living in a streets of rage universe

  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 21
    dab00g wrote: »
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    From what girls actually would tell me, Muay Thai is less friendly to girls than BJJ/Judo.

    Then again, it's kind of like what you said, a good competitive place values dedication and weeds out people that would waste time using their warm up routine.

    It's good in that regard like the fighting game scene because people respect your dedication and skills over your ethnicity/gender (though some places have super racist people still).
  • MIRACLEARROWMIRACLEARROW Kendoka Joined: Posts: 2,060
    edited January 21
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    From what girls actually would tell me, Muay Thai is less friendly to girls than BJJ/Judo.

    Then again, it's kind of like what you said, a good competitive place values dedication and weeds out people that would waste time using their warm up routine.

    It's good in that regard like the fighting game scene because people respect your dedication and skills over your ethnicity/gender (though some places have super racist people still).
    Regardless of art, there will be some gyms whether they be Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, or Boxing that will be more friendly to women. Just depends on the place. Have her scope out some spots try some classes and get a feel and see what she prefers. Regardless of what it is, if she's not interested in it and doesn't follow up with whatever classes shes learning then she's never going to learn to defend herself anyways. Also, did we seriously suggest Wing Chun as the best form of street defense for a women?? I basically lived in a Hung Gar studio for 3 years and there were many Wing Chun elements and practitioners and I can tell you that would be the last thing I would want someone to learn for self defense. Of the like 5 martial arts I've studied it was by far the least practical (besides Kendo of course lol). As someone who's been around boxing my whole life, if taught properly (i.e. not boxercise bullshit) there are plenty of women that can punch properly, and hard. They just need to have proper instruction.
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    edited January 21
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    Those are generally known as good styles to deal with larger people. I would personally choose BJJ over Judo, but take what's available.

    In the efforts of self defense and handling sexual assault and harassment, she'll need to supplement her training with courses intended solely for self defense of women.
    You share the experience with other girls your age. You hear stories about how women fight off attackers. You probably get to lay a solid groin kick into some poor guy wearing a fat suit. It's fun and can even be an emotional experience when she realizes just how much more power she's gained.

    Repeatable, verifiable, and scientifically vetted results show self defense specifically targeted at women reduce sexual assaults:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/study-shows-resistance-tactics-work-to-prevent-campus-sexual-assault/article24905250/
    https://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/campus/Pages/decrease-risk.aspx
    http://cascade.uoregon.edu/spring2013/social-sciences/are-women-safer-when-they-learn-self-defense/
    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801214526046

    She will be sexually and verbally harassed, and probably assaulted (such as a man grabbing her butt). She needs the tools to respond immediately. Those tools are proven to significantly reduce her risk.

    You're doing good work.
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    boxing and wrestling for women. jiujutsu for long term

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    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    We had a recent case in my city where a 16 year girl was attacked by an ex convict who tried to rape her. The girl was a karate practitioner and kicked his ass. The story made it into the local newspapers.
    Karate is not useless as some are saying around here. Plus, it is more elegant than boxing or wrestling, and not as hardcore as muay thai, so I think it fits well for a girl.
    Judo could also be fun, if she is ok with being smacked into the ground all the time.




  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,406
    I think all styles are very good realistically. It's just with boxing and wrestling they are both very tactile so there's more likeliness to get realistic training through tactile muscle memory.

    You could say 60% of karate schools will be slow to get you to a certain level. But that other 40% will give you more tools than 70% of boxing gyms. These are almost random numbers but its my way of clarifying my thoughts on the subject
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,408
    A lot of traditional arts do shit that's simply not natural. It takes time to make those movements natural, further compounding the time it takes to become remotely effective with those techniques.

    Throw on top of that an overemphasis on forms/Kata and "self-defence", and it's no wonder most TMA practitioners can't hold up in a ring.

    This is has been my observation moving backward from sport fighting into TMA, to Chinese arts specifically.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 6,408
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    This is not to say that traditional techniques themselves aren't effective. Hell, in some cases, what's natural is more stressful or dangerous to your body.

    Open hand strikes can be devastating, but the natural instinct is to punch with the closed fist.

    The "bear paw", or the inside of a closed fist, is deceptively strong, since you're hitting with both the sharper second knuckles and the palm heel. It fits nicely around the areas behind the ear, too, and you can throw it like a Stockton Slap. I see people do this by accident with hooks in MMA.

    Deflecting or blocking with the meaty part of the forearm is unnatural - the natural instinct is to grab with the hand. It's why scrubs block or defend against kicks with both hands.

    The back of the wrist is surprisingly more durable than the back of your hand. It's not natural to hit with it though, since you just want to swing your arm. It has to be trained, but it hits just as hard as a backknuckle strike. You'll NEVER see this in sport, though, since the wrist is always bound.

    To be frank, most kicks are unnatural, too.

    TL;DR - instead of just taking the techniques and drilling the fuck out of them, people started putting them into forms.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,261
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Be a decent person and wash your belt

    Her belt is faded, losing black color because it is at least 10 years old. Doesn't have to do with washing or not washing
    Emanuelb wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    We had a recent case in my city where a 16 year girl was attacked by an ex convict who tried to rape her. The girl was a karate practitioner and kicked his ass. The story made it into the local newspapers.
    Karate is not useless as some are saying around here. Plus, it is more elegant than boxing or wrestling, and not as hardcore as muay thai, so I think it fits well for a girl.
    Judo could also be fun, if she is ok with being smacked into the ground all the time.


    When I was in HOKK in Hawaii, we also had grab arts. Basically some Jujitsu takedowns and defenses
  • BiolinkBiolink Shenmue 3 will come Joined: Posts: 4,364
    Anyone can tell me about Sambo here?
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 21,199
    Combat sambo? Gi sambo? Nogi sambo?

    Great grappling matches up well with judo and greco

    Not many schools teach it, but the techniques are applicable anywhere

    Combat sambo is basically russian pankration
  • BiolinkBiolink Shenmue 3 will come Joined: Posts: 4,364
    dab00g wrote: »
    Combat sambo? Gi sambo? Nogi sambo?

    Great grappling matches up well with judo and greco

    Not many schools teach it, but the techniques are applicable anywhere

    Combat sambo is basically russian pankration

    Combat sambo. Aiming to put people out of commission if I have to. I already know boxing so I think I want to add a grappling martial art.
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    XI:
    "When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him."

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