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    Being one legged for 4 weeks really thinned out my legs.

    Going to be leg days forever

    Grappling is an ever changing flowing thing

    This is why judo, wrestling, bjj, catch, and even muay thai and aikido can blend together
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,747
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,747
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.

    I'm in the UK they only let you carry a rape bell :|
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 20
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.
    Get her a taser if it's legal in your state.

    I'm in the UK they only let you carry a rape bell :|

    If you are so worried about your sister it would be better to teach her to not be alone, be more aware of her surroundings, and have dependable real friends. If she is in school have her join the track team instead. If you really want her to get into martial arts maybe Wing Chun, however a lot of places have degraded this shit into just art. Are you allowed to carry a knife in the UK, if not, I'm sure you can come up with a substitute for one. I'm pretty sure the UK has enough white knights that a girl screaming for help is enough to get a guy jumped even if he didn't do anything.
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    edited January 20
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    Sorry mr jeet kun do. Do not let her take some fru fru kung fu or wing chun or karate classes.

    But your sister would do well to learn something like muay thai to keep the scumbags off of her. That clinch game and those knees, kicks, elbows? Or even a boxing gym. I know the uk is full of good kickboxing and boxing gyms. Look for ones with lineage to golden glory since you are in europe.

    Way good for self defense.

    Wifey does muay thai with me and started doing catch.

    Muay thai takes up less time and will have her looking fucking good depending on the coach

    Well the benefits for wifey was her self confidence inwardly and her banging body

    But that is just me.

    As far as grappling goes look for a snake pit or a wiggan place. Snakepit is where they teach catch wrestling. UK people need to get on that.
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    Unless she wants to do it competitively and put a large amount of time and effort into it, I do not recommend Muay Thai for her.
  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 5,868
    edited January 20
    Casual Muay Thai is a joke, no different to the "boxing" classes you see at your local 24/7 gym.

    The typical Muay Thai scrub still has weak shins and a shitty clinch game. They still flinch when their shins get checked.

    It takes dedication to be truly devastating and build up the conditioning required.
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  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,747
    Casual anything is a joke but I think grappling will teach essential survival skills (a decent pair of running shoes would be good too).
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    edited January 20
    That is why i said reputable gym

    I was under the assumption it would be at least 4 days a week

    Also any good grappling/muay thai gym weeds out casuals with the warm up routine

    People who show up still after getting through 4 sessions are good to go
  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 20
    Casual anything is a joke but I think grappling will teach essential survival skills (a decent pair of running shoes would be good too).

    What kind of situation are you trying to prepare her for?

    BJJ and Judo have a lot of rules/limitations.

    You want to learn how to get out of a hold, that is important, but the methods shouldn't be limited to a simple sport like you see in UFC. Putting someone in a hold isn't really a good idea in a real life environment. Will her real life experience if she is attacked be 1 v 1? I've seen grapplers try to choke someone out on the street and then get stabbed or have a friend come from behind and knock the guy out cold. Also even if she does competitive Muay Thai, a lot of techniques are designed to wear down the opponent over time, which develops bad habits and wastes energy.

    A lot of times I have seen people get injured, including girls, because they tried to escalate a fight.

    It's good to have confidence when you are training but when you are on the street you need to understand that anyone can be stronger, faster, smarter, etc, than you. Luck plays a factor too. Do you want to put your safety in the hands of luck? Anyone can have a knife or a gun, regardless if the law allows it or not. Real life isn't going to be 1 v 1 all the time with rules and the environment, physical obstacles, etc, play a huge factor. Being street smart will help more. This one kid I knew that personally trained with Gracie in Manhattan was good with rules but if you try a street fight in the rain his footwork, grappling, vision, etc went to shit. It was an embarrassment to see someone who gets paid to fight complain about something like water getting in his eyes.

    If you want your sister to be safe, becoming a pro fighter isn't going to guarantee it. The strongest fighter in the world can still get shot or stabbed from out of nowhere. Staying safe is avoiding dangerous situations, increasing awareness, knowing how to get out of dangerous situations (like I said get your sister on her school track team and also she should maintain a good diet to stay healthy in shape, good for one's life overall), learning to deescalate conflict, etc. Girls that I know that train actually got attacked more often than girls that kept a low profile and some that trained got injuries as a result of training.


  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    God here we go with "street rules" again like we are living in a streets of rage universe

  • ElderGODElderGOD GOD Joined: Posts: 9,800
    edited January 21
    dab00g wrote: »
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    From what girls actually would tell me, Muay Thai is less friendly to girls than BJJ/Judo.

    Then again, it's kind of like what you said, a good competitive place values dedication and weeds out people that would waste time using their warm up routine.

    It's good in that regard like the fighting game scene because people respect your dedication and skills over your ethnicity/gender (though some places have super racist people still).
  • MIRACLEARROWMIRACLEARROW Kendoka Joined: Posts: 1,997
    edited January 21
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Honestly any self defense course worth it's salt would be good

    From what girls actually would tell me, Muay Thai is less friendly to girls than BJJ/Judo.

    Then again, it's kind of like what you said, a good competitive place values dedication and weeds out people that would waste time using their warm up routine.

    It's good in that regard like the fighting game scene because people respect your dedication and skills over your ethnicity/gender (though some places have super racist people still).
    Regardless of art, there will be some gyms whether they be Muay Thai, BJJ, Judo, or Boxing that will be more friendly to women. Just depends on the place. Have her scope out some spots try some classes and get a feel and see what she prefers. Regardless of what it is, if she's not interested in it and doesn't follow up with whatever classes shes learning then she's never going to learn to defend herself anyways. Also, did we seriously suggest Wing Chun as the best form of street defense for a women?? I basically lived in a Hung Gar studio for 3 years and there were many Wing Chun elements and practitioners and I can tell you that would be the last thing I would want someone to learn for self defense. Of the like 5 martial arts I've studied it was by far the least practical (besides Kendo of course lol). As someone who's been around boxing my whole life, if taught properly (i.e. not boxercise bullshit) there are plenty of women that can punch properly, and hard. They just need to have proper instruction.
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  • MCPMCP Joined: Posts: 2,158 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited January 21
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    Those are generally known as good styles to deal with larger people. I would personally choose BJJ over Judo, but take what's available.

    In the efforts of self defense and handling sexual assault and harassment, she'll need to supplement her training with courses intended solely for self defense of women.
    You share the experience with other girls your age. You hear stories about how women fight off attackers. You probably get to lay a solid groin kick into some poor guy wearing a fat suit. It's fun and can even be an emotional experience when she realizes just how much more power she's gained.

    Repeatable, verifiable, and scientifically vetted results show self defense specifically targeted at women reduce sexual assaults:
    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/study-shows-resistance-tactics-work-to-prevent-campus-sexual-assault/article24905250/
    https://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/rape-sexual-violence/campus/Pages/decrease-risk.aspx
    http://cascade.uoregon.edu/spring2013/social-sciences/are-women-safer-when-they-learn-self-defense/
    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1077801214526046

    She will be sexually and verbally harassed, and probably assaulted (such as a man grabbing her butt). She needs the tools to respond immediately. Those tools are proven to significantly reduce her risk.

    You're doing good work.
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,254
    boxing and wrestling for women. jiujutsu for long term

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  • EmanuelbEmanuelb Joined: Posts: 3,262
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    We had a recent case in my city where a 16 year girl was attacked by an ex convict who tried to rape her. The girl was a karate practitioner and kicked his ass. The story made it into the local newspapers.
    Karate is not useless as some are saying around here. Plus, it is more elegant than boxing or wrestling, and not as hardcore as muay thai, so I think it fits well for a girl.
    Judo could also be fun, if she is ok with being smacked into the ground all the time.




  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,254
    I think all styles are very good realistically. It's just with boxing and wrestling they are both very tactile so there's more likeliness to get realistic training through tactile muscle memory.

    You could say 60% of karate schools will be slow to get you to a certain level. But that other 40% will give you more tools than 70% of boxing gyms. These are almost random numbers but its my way of clarifying my thoughts on the subject
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 5,868
    A lot of traditional arts do shit that's simply not natural. It takes time to make those movements natural, further compounding the time it takes to become remotely effective with those techniques.

    Throw on top of that an overemphasis on forms/Kata and "self-defence", and it's no wonder most TMA practitioners can't hold up in a ring.

    This is has been my observation moving backward from sport fighting into TMA, to Chinese arts specifically.
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 5,868
    edited January 24
    This is not to say that traditional techniques themselves aren't effective. Hell, in some cases, what's natural is more stressful or dangerous to your body.

    Open hand strikes can be devastating, but the natural instinct is to punch with the closed fist.

    The "bear paw", or the inside of a closed fist, is deceptively strong, since you're hitting with both the sharper second knuckles and the palm heel. It fits nicely around the areas behind the ear, too, and you can throw it like a Stockton Slap. I see people do this by accident with hooks in MMA.

    Deflecting or blocking with the meaty part of the forearm is unnatural - the natural instinct is to grab with the hand. It's why scrubs block or defend against kicks with both hands.

    The back of the wrist is surprisingly more durable than the back of your hand. It's not natural to hit with it though, since you just want to swing your arm. It has to be trained, but it hits just as hard as a backknuckle strike. You'll NEVER see this in sport, though, since the wrist is always bound.

    To be frank, most kicks are unnatural, too.

    TL;DR - instead of just taking the techniques and drilling the fuck out of them, people started putting them into forms.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 5,874
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Be a decent person and wash your belt

    Her belt is faded, losing black color because it is at least 10 years old. Doesn't have to do with washing or not washing
    Emanuelb wrote: »
    Random question, somewhat on topic.. Females and martial arts.
    What should they learn? I've always urged my sister to learn Brazilian Jujitsu or Judo, she's 5ft 5 so I don't see any point in her learning a striking art to defend herself. This is only my own personal experience but every striking martial art class I've done I cringe at the thought that these girls may have to one day depend on what they learn in the class. They aren't built like Gabi Garcia so most teenage boys 13+ would slaughter them if they were to be attacked.

    We had a recent case in my city where a 16 year girl was attacked by an ex convict who tried to rape her. The girl was a karate practitioner and kicked his ass. The story made it into the local newspapers.
    Karate is not useless as some are saying around here. Plus, it is more elegant than boxing or wrestling, and not as hardcore as muay thai, so I think it fits well for a girl.
    Judo could also be fun, if she is ok with being smacked into the ground all the time.


    When I was in HOKK in Hawaii, we also had grab arts. Basically some Jujitsu takedowns and defenses
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    Combat sambo? Gi sambo? Nogi sambo?

    Great grappling matches up well with judo and greco

    Not many schools teach it, but the techniques are applicable anywhere

    Combat sambo is basically russian pankration
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    dab00g wrote: »
    Combat sambo? Gi sambo? Nogi sambo?

    Great grappling matches up well with judo and greco

    Not many schools teach it, but the techniques are applicable anywhere

    Combat sambo is basically russian pankration

    Combat sambo. Aiming to put people out of commission if I have to. I already know boxing so I think I want to add a grappling martial art.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    edited January 24
    Pretty much if you want to learn how to fight. Go to a good gym.
  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.
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    dab00g wrote: »
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.

    Im from Chicago and boxed for 5 years. Made it to a level where I could spar, but I never competed though. I'm confident in it as far as self defense is concerned.
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    Biolink wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.

    Im from Chicago and boxed for 5 years. Made it to a level where I could spar, but I never competed though. I'm confident in it as far as self defense is concerned.

    wait....how long did it take you to get to sparring?
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    edited January 24
    maxx wrote: »
    Biolink wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.

    Im from Chicago and boxed for 5 years. Made it to a level where I could spar, but I never competed though. I'm confident in it as far as self defense is concerned.

    wait....how long did it take you to get to sparring?

    Ley him go to any mma gym in chicago. They got good gyms there. So...
  • MIRACLEARROWMIRACLEARROW Kendoka Joined: Posts: 1,997
    As someone who grew up in a boxing gym and helped run one... if you boxed for 5 years you should be pretttttty good if you survived and were sparring regularly for 5 years.

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    maxx wrote: »
    Biolink wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.

    Im from Chicago and boxed for 5 years. Made it to a level where I could spar, but I never competed though. I'm confident in it as far as self defense is concerned.

    wait....how long did it take you to get to sparring?

    Started sparring about a year and a half in. I just stuck with working on technique and and a bit of sparring every week to stay sharp. I never got up to competing because I didn't have the time or motivation.
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    Biolink wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Combat sambo? Gi sambo? Nogi sambo?

    Great grappling matches up well with judo and greco

    Not many schools teach it, but the techniques are applicable anywhere

    Combat sambo is basically russian pankration

    Combat sambo. Aiming to put people out of commission if I have to. I already know boxing so I think I want to add a grappling martial art.

    Umm. Do mma classes.

    Or be like the guy doing non-contact karate and wing chun

    Honestly if you want to beat ass, just go train at any good mma gym. Chicago has some good teams.
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,254
    This discussion actually is funny. You should be way beyond talking about styles and instead talking about particular gyms and why they are ahead of the game
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    Biolink wrote: »
    maxx wrote: »
    Biolink wrote: »
    dab00g wrote: »
    Um where are you from? How do you "know" boxing?

    Just do mma classes and go to pros day. Way more applicable and you get put into scenarios. Off the cage, drills from shots. Fighting from the ground.

    If you don't mind getting tossed and taken down. By guys 50 lbs lighter than you and don't mind getting ego checked.

    By doing mma class, you will then reallize that you need to do wrestling, bjj, muay thai, boxing, oh and wrestling. Lots and lots of wrestling. Not just freestyle, but folk, catch, collegiate, greco, and yes even sumo.

    Im from Chicago and boxed for 5 years. Made it to a level where I could spar, but I never competed though. I'm confident in it as far as self defense is concerned.

    wait....how long did it take you to get to sparring?

    Started sparring about a year and a half in. I just stuck with working on technique and and a bit of sparring every week to stay sharp. I never got up to competing because I didn't have the time or motivation.

    Yikes. That's a long time to go without sparring but hey to each their own. Competing isn't nessisary, just the wording made it seem like you didn't spar for a long ass time.
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    That is a long ass time. Most dudes have at least a couple of amateur fights under their belt after a year.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 20,441
    edited January 25
    I actually train at csw, millennia mma, and with the guys at checkmat.

    Not to mention i go down to san diego and go to alliance because my cousin works there.

    But hey, let me guess your wing chun has won you what?

    Like honestly dude. We could all just be bullshitting here. But you were the one who said wing chun is the best self defense system.

    And no i don't wear tapout. Nobody wears tapout except fat mexicans and white people about 10 years ago.

    I can get you a guest pass for csw if you are ever in california and want to do the pros class.

    But hey, i mean you are such a wise sage. I bet i could hook you up with btier i am sure his style is more up your alley.

    Ki shima is that guy who claimed he was in k-1 right?
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    Aggressors of Koliseum Kombat: Kisarah
    Rapelay: Kimura
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