Virtua Fighter 5 Final Showdown console thread

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  • Running WildRunning Wild Rock You Like A Hurricane Joined: Posts: 3,164
    I hope you consider investing in the George Foreman Grill.

    I'm hoping with some customizations I could make Jacky look like Terry Bogard. I saw one of Akira and he looked like Wild Ambition Mr.Karate. So badass...
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  • SigniaSignia Joined: Posts: 73
    8WR in SC is basically sidewalking in VF. Step in SC is like Evade in VF. Except in SC3 (or was it 4?) Step>Guard was pretty much impenetrable as there were practically no frames at the end of Step if you cancelled into guard, thus meaning a free step. Not so if VF since they give you recovery frames off the very end of your evade if you do an empty one.

    This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

    The last VF? Well yeah...... for America if we don't buy the damn thing and stick with it.
    idk about SCIII, but in SCIV, a step has vulnerability frames, and 8WR is nowhere near as effective in evading. However, the step can't be countered by delaying linear launchers or other moves; you must use a step catching move that's fast enough to hit them before the vulnerability frames end. Actually, they aren't really vulnerability frames, you can cancel those frames by attacking, but not guarding.

    So yeah, SC Step and 8WR are quite different from a VF evade. Also worth noting that in VF5:FS, getting hit out of an evade draws a counter hit instead of normal hit in previous versions, like in the SC series.

    Really, in VF, I don't think there really is a second axis of movement. Sidewalking doesn't evade anything, and the evades are just invulnerable to everything but moves that have the half-circular or full-circular flag. It has nothing to do with hitboxes like in SC or Tekken. If no attack comes during the invulnerability frames, it becomes a "failed evade" and there are frames where you can't do anything. Here, any move will hit. Even though they appear to have physically moved to side, your character realigns during the failed evade state. This system allows for simplicity and consistency. Please correct me if I'm wrong about any of this.
  • BrennanBrennan IT'S NOT A TUNA! Joined: Posts: 1,011
    How are you planning to play SG w/o a 360/ps3?
    If you have any experience in 3d games then VF shouldn't be that hard to get used to.
    Not to mention FS is easier to play than the VF4 series.

    Really Tataki?

    Tekken is my main game - so a jump to VF should be ok, if I'm a decent player at 3D games? (SC included).

    Also, can anyone fill me in about Eileen? She seems so godlike (and troll material to boost).
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  • FulaaniFulaani Of terrorist descent Joined: Posts: 2,555
    @Master Chibi - VF requires alot of devotion. I'd say forget about Skull Gurlz or whatever and focus on the awesomeness that is VF lol. Hard game get into, but it's alot of fun. I dunno if I could say if anything you learn in VF would carry over to other fighters, because VF is such a unique fighting game compared to other 3D fighters..
    I think this is kind of unfair. lots of game deserve some attention. There is no reason to just play ONE unless you cant pull yourself away from one. But then its your own choice.
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  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 24,472
    I'm on the fence on this one. I never managed to get into the VF series. I owned VF4:Evo long ago and while I liked the Quest mode I had no one to play with and I found it somewhat boring. From the footage I've seen of this it looks like fun. The deal breaker for me will probably be in price. If it's the normal downloadable game price of $10-$15 I'll gladly give the series a second shot.
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,654
    Really Tataki?

    Tekken is my main game - so a jump to VF should be ok, if I'm a decent player at 3D games? (SC included).

    Also, can anyone fill me in about Eileen? She seems so godlike (and troll material to boost).

    You'll just need to get used to the specifics of VF.
    For example regular throws in Tekken are sub-par usually but in VF you'll be using them a lot.
    Also pressing the button to sidestep is very dangerous unless you are sure the opponent is gonna do a linear attack, because only then you get the "good" sidestep, while the "bad" one is only used for positioning and can't really evade attacks. (Well at least that's how it was in the days I played and I don't think they changed it)

    Stuff like that.
    I think someone who knows FS's system like Reno or maybe one of the guys from VFDC should make a VF5:FS tutorial for players of other fighting games.
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  • MalevolenciaMalevolencia @MaliceIsGDLK Joined: Posts: 388
    I'm on the fence on this one. I never managed to get into the VF series. I owned VF4:Evo long ago and while I liked the Quest mode I had no one to play with and I found it somewhat boring. From the footage I've seen of this it looks like fun. The deal breaker for me will probably be in price. If it's the normal downloadable game price of $10-$15 I'll gladly give the series a second shot.

    I'm expecting this game to be at the $30 range. If it's cheaper, I'll take it.
    I think this is kind of unfair. lots of game deserve some attention. There is no reason to just play ONE unless you cant pull yourself away from one. But then its your own choice.

    Lots of games deserve attention, but the only ones that will are the ones that people are actively playing offline. I just hope people get into this game and not settle with just playing online. But I'll be doing what I can to support the game and scene for it once it drops because I grew up playing VF in the arcade.
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  • boom!boom! kuma gon give it to ya Joined: Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    fuck yea. how different is FS from vanilla? i still have my VF5 on ps3. should i just sell it or will somethings carry over? i'm a noob
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  • RenoReno ↑ Maggy Joined: Posts: 854 mod
    fuck yea. how different is FS from vanilla? i still have my VF5 on ps3. should i just sell it or will somethings carry over? i'm a noob

    Some things carry over. Basic concepts can still be learned by playing vanilla VF5, but there's so much different compared to Final Showdown.

    Also, here's a match between Anaguma and Hauru, two high level players in Osaka. Anaguma is a current Star Player (sponsored by Sega) while Hauru is a former Star Player.



    LOOK AT DAT DAMAGE.

    FYI, Sega has had WMV replay file creation since VF5's original arcade release, meaning there's a ton of footage out there for vanilla, 5R and Final Showdown if you want to look for them. Just search for VF5FS on Youtube or on Zoom.me and you'll find a crazy amount of video. Starting with 5R (I forget to be honest) these replay files can also be created with frame display options so that you can see exactly what the frames are, just like in the video above. This will make great study material for anyone who is planning to get into the game seriously. It'll also show you when a counterhit pops up as well as what direction a move needs to be evaded in.
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  • HadoukieHadoukie K-UGER! Joined: Posts: 425
    Just when I was about to throw in the towel, they threw a lfeline. About time Sega. Now to wait to wait a whole 'nother year.
  • Hatred EdgeHatred Edge MAD STRUGGLE Joined: Posts: 15,996
    MY BODY IS READY.

    As long as there is competition, I will put in the time for this game.
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  • shojushoju Joined: Posts: 186
    Ok a few honest questions:

    I bought VF4:EVO and played it for a month. I still have it.

    I don't have an 360 and will likely not have one in the future (don't really want one).

    If I want to get into 5:FS should I go back to VF4:EVO and play it until FS drops, or is it really not worth it at this point?

    And secondly is this a game that carries over to anything in any way? I'm fully committed to playing / promoting Skullgirls to death when it drops and I'm curious if VF requires an inordinate amount of attention / devotion to get even past scrub level.

    For the record, I'm an idiot.

    :3

    There's a lot of changes between VF4Evo and VF5FS but you can still learn some important fundamentals. VF5FS should be a much easier game to play and get into as a lot of the difficulties of VF4's system have been eased. I found VF4Evo to be better than anything else I've ever played but it was difficult and required constant dedication. FS won't be like that which is probably a good thing.
  • FulaaniFulaani Of terrorist descent Joined: Posts: 2,555
    Lots of games deserve attention, but the only ones that will are the ones that people are actively playing offline. I just hope people get into this game and not settle with just playing online. But I'll be doing what I can to support the game and scene for it once it drops because I grew up playing VF in the arcade.
    scenes don't appear. scenes get built.

    I understand dropping a game after all your efforts to establish a scene goes unrewarded. But going "ehhhh no one plays this, allow this game" is bullshit.
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  • jedpossumjedpossum Ok, Darling Joined: Posts: 4,227
    I always liked VF. I'll be getting it for 360 even though I might be getting a PS3 around the end of the year. Not sure yet.
    Buy it for both systems you know you want to.

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  • SSJ_SonikkuSSJ_Sonikku Fighting Game Maniac! Joined: Posts: 623
    It's about time that VF5FS gets released. Definitely gonna buy this!
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 35,089 mod

    Also, can anyone fill me in about Eileen? She seems so godlike (and troll material to boost).
    Run away all day, just be sure to dodge the incoming projectiles, by which I mean, the plastic chairs your opponent throws at you when you piss them off.
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  • BrennanBrennan IT'S NOT A TUNA! Joined: Posts: 1,011
    Run away all day, just be sure to dodge the incoming projectiles, by which I mean, the plastic chairs your opponent throws at you when you piss them off.

    That was the reason I loved her in the first place lol - that thing never gets old.

    Anyway, can anyone link me the game's biggest community or something? I really want to dig some info about the series overall.
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  • FulaaniFulaani Of terrorist descent Joined: Posts: 2,555
    www.virtuafighter.com

    don't worry its not some shitty official forums.
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  • atx_wrekkaatx_wrekka Joined: Posts: 5
    I started playing VF5 on ps3 the other just because I had a feeling this was coming out soon!
    But it was only the announcement.... I'll have to wait another year
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  • RenoReno ↑ Maggy Joined: Posts: 854 mod
    My latest match video... who says you need a comeback mechanic again?
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  • thephenomenalonethephenomenalone Joined: Posts: 580
    I could watch FS matches all day instead of Tekken 6's bullshit.
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  • BrennanBrennan IT'S NOT A TUNA! Joined: Posts: 1,011
    I could watch FS matches all day instead of Tekken 6's bullshit.

    Why be a hater? Both are awesome.

    And thanks for the link, Fulaani. <3
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  • RidianFableRidianFable Meh Joined: Posts: 2,628
    Plugging VFDC as a great resource for any new players as well as old players looking to try to pick up this game. Vanessa is hard.
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  • mysticspheremysticsphere Lover of Cakes Joined: Posts: 746
    That Taka Arashi looks like a big ass samoan.

    I LIKE
  • mysticspheremysticsphere Lover of Cakes Joined: Posts: 746
    Does anyone know if this version will have an extensive training mode like the other ones? I hope so. I'm really interested in getting into this, looks like so much fun. Like a real ass kung fu fight haha
  • HawkingbirdHawkingbird I am thou...thou art I Joined: Posts: 24,472
    I could watch FS matches all day instead of Tekken 6's bullshit.

    Why hate on T6 bro?

    I never get tired of seeing that Eileen runaway video. It's a thing of beauty
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  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 35,089 mod
    That was the reason I loved her in the first place lol - that thing never gets old.
    Best thing about this, is that your opponent can't throw a chair at you online.
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
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  • SchiffSchiff Joined: Posts: 623
    Finally.... I was kind of sad because uninterested in the coming fighting games (Umvc3, SFxT, TxSF, Soul Calibur V.... bah) but this piece of news is awesome. Awesome! Can't wait! I hope for a good online technology.
    I want Shenmue III.

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  • GreentGreent Joined: Posts: 38
    O HAPPY DAY! shoutout to reno trying to grow the vf community =)
    thx for the helpful links as well, if anyone wants to spar in vf5(360)

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  • SolidSonicTHSolidSonicTH Nyan-ko. Joined: Posts: 404
    I had to rejoin SRK just because I heard about this game.

    Really want to learn that Jean Kujo. Never been a VF player before but I said if they brought this game to the States, I'd take the time to learn it.
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  • NekoMicNekoMic Neko Punch! Joined: Posts: 386
    How much do you guys think this will cost I would be happy to spend £40 but being an downloadable title I'm calling £15-£20
    I wonder if Japan will get boxed version.
  • Running WildRunning Wild Rock You Like A Hurricane Joined: Posts: 3,164
    Next summer can't come soon enough, I need a man's game like Virtua Fighter. I really wanna re-learn Brad, and Eileen as well (not to mention play dress up with her lol).
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  • frostycykefrostycyke Optic..wha? Joined: Posts: 735
    It's the Brad show!

    Can't wait to go back to playing VF5 after I traded my 360 for a PS3. But Jean does look tempting, i might have to put Brad on the side for a bit.
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  • SolidSonicTHSolidSonicTH Nyan-ko. Joined: Posts: 404
    Not sure how applicable it'll be but VFDC has a rather comprehensive VF5 system guide on their site. It's useful to at least see how Virtua Fighter basic combat is conducted (even if the subsystems of FS are different than vanilla 5).
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    What's wrong with VFDC's site? It's brings up an error message when I open up the site.
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  • ShagShag The Chessmaster Joined: Posts: 718
    Did you use this url? -> http://virtuafighter.com

    They made some new changes today, added a new column and a twitter feed. Its up running now.
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  • MadeManG74MadeManG74 Joined: Posts: 669
    This is incredible news, I cannot wait for this game to drop. I'm going to be rusty as all hell (and I was never that good to begin with, my win/loss record in ranked for VF5 was 10 wins 130 losses or something), but I've always found VF to be so much sheer fun to play since VF2, I know i'll be sinking hours upon hours into it.

    I also feel like I should point out to anyone new to the series- this game isn't as hard to pick up on a basic level as many reviewers and websites will make out. While you can spend years and years mastering it, to pick up the basics and have fun and learn the game is really easy thanks to (IMO) a very simple control scheme and very intuitive system. If it comes with an extensive training mode, all the better!
  • orochi1017orochi1017 Cult of Personality Joined: Posts: 912
    Is it better to prepare using 4Evo's training mode or 5's closer gameplay?
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    Great match here. Lei is considered low tier but he's still hella scary to fight against. Sooooo many mixups, same with Sarah.
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  • The Invincible SwordsmanThe Invincible Swordsman Only built for SRK Joined: Posts: 3,374 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Is it better to prepare using 4Evo's training mode or 5's closer gameplay?

    If you've NEVER played VF, VF4:Evo training mode is the better place to start. But the change in speed from VF4 to 5 is definitely different.

    This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

    I refuse to believe Sarah is low tier.
  • ShinyBrentfordShinyBrentford "The VF Guy" Joined: Posts: 363
    Really Tataki?

    Tekken is my main game - so a jump to VF should be ok, if I'm a decent player at 3D games? (SC included).

    Also, can anyone fill me in about Eileen? She seems so godlike (and troll material to boost).

    She's only a troll online cause of lag, but all in all she a great character. The trick to beating her is know that a lot of her moves(and 90% of Akira) are linear with very slow circulars.

    I put a lot of Vids up here
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/dfw-tx-virtua-fighter.113666/
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  • AzureWolfAzureWolf Joined: Posts: 179
    Is it better to prepare using 4Evo's training mode or 5's closer gameplay?
    Despite what anyone says, none of the VF series have made big leaps in gameplay. Yes, there are much more changes than other games between versions, but you can learn the basics of VF from VF3 if that is all you had.

    I felt like VF4 had the best tutorials, though.
  • HadoukieHadoukie K-UGER! Joined: Posts: 425
    If you've NEVER played VF, VF4:Evo training mode is the better place to start. But the change in speed from VF4 to 5 is definitely different.

    This has been THE INVINCIBLE SWORDSMAN saying:

    I refuse to believe Sarah is low tier.

    Sarah's mid-high in this game. WAY better than she was iin vanilla.
  • SolidSonicTHSolidSonicTH Nyan-ko. Joined: Posts: 404
    It's not like this game is so broken that characters need to be fearful of other characters. Everyone can put forth a good effort and win.

    Anyway, I'm really hung up on what needs to be done to get the fighting game crowd at large excited about this. I want to use Facebook but I don't really know the best avenue. We live in a time where talking to a wide audience is easier than ever. It's still a year out, that should be enough time to at least raise awareness.
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  • BrennanBrennan IT'S NOT A TUNA! Joined: Posts: 1,011
    She's only a troll online cause of lag, but all in all she a great character. The trick to beating her is know that a lot of her moves(and 90% of Akira) are linear with very slow circulars.

    I put a lot of Vids up here
    http://shoryuken.com/forum/index.php?threads/dfw-tx-virtua-fighter.113666/

    Hey Shiny, thanks for linking the thread. Great vids, btw;

    I also noted that you were helping some Tekken players regarding the system and characters and such. So, can you answer me some questions? (I may be not the only one with these as well):

    Does Eileen plays like (or have her gameplan resemble to) a Tekken character?

    Also, what about Taka-arashi? I noticed he even has some moves aesthetically similar to Ganny - but outside that, they're alike in any way (strong pokes and hit-confirms, etc)?

    I know, VF seems really extremamely different from Tekken - sorry if these questions are that stupid - but I just wanna start right.

    Thanks in advance. <3
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  • shojushoju Joined: Posts: 186
    Despite what anyone says, none of the VF series have made big leaps in gameplay. Yes, there are much more changes than other games between versions, but you can learn the basics of VF from VF3 if that is all you had.

    That's wrong. VF3 is a completely different game to the others. There was a lot of changes between VF2 to 4 but far less from VF4 to 5
  • AzureWolfAzureWolf Joined: Posts: 179
    That's wrong. VF3 is a completely different game to the others. There was a lot of changes between VF2 to 4 but far less from VF4 to 5
    I dunno, I could be completely off. I'm speaking from my personal experience and not as a pro/tourney player. In my opinion, I understood the fundamentals of the game from VF2. When playing VF3 & 4, they have added new elements, but the basics - even the basic, essential moves and throws - did not change at all. I used Jacky in 2 and Aoi in 3 & 4.

    The game is insanely balanced and I think that is the reason a lot of basic moves for the characters do not change. Yes, some controls shifted around and new things were added, but if you wanted to learn Wolf, you can learn a lot from previous games that will still be valid and apply in the current iteration.
  • SolidSonicTHSolidSonicTH Nyan-ko. Joined: Posts: 404
    They added that "Dodge" button in VF3 but took it back off for VF4.
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  • AzureWolfAzureWolf Joined: Posts: 179
    They added that "Dodge" button in VF3 but took it back off for VF4.
    Yeah, but see, that's what I'm saying: they removed the evade button and replaced it with Up and Down tapping (and, depending on whether an attack is coming in properly, you'll move differently), but the evade concept is still there. It's the same principle applied differently, and it didn't take much time to get used to the improvement.

    Is it fundamentally different?
  • ShinyBrentfordShinyBrentford "The VF Guy" Joined: Posts: 363
    Hey Shiny, thanks for linking the thread. Great vids, btw;

    I also noted that you were helping some Tekken players regarding the system and characters and such. So, can you answer me some questions? (I may be not the only one with these as well):

    Does Eileen plays like (or have her gameplan resemble to) a Tekken character?

    Also, what about Taka-arashi? I noticed he even has some moves aesthetically similar to Ganny - but outside that, they're alike in any way (strong pokes and hit-confirms, etc)?

    I know, VF seems really extremamely different from Tekken - sorry if these questions are that stupid - but I just wanna start right.

    Thanks in advance. <3

    No she doesn't play like any tekken characters that I can think of. The only characters that play like tekken characters is Brad and Goh cause they where design by the tekken team as thanks for sega letting them use there item system.

    The core paper,rock,scissors of VF is this: block/evade beats attack, attack beats throw, throw beats block/evade. If you learn this you just learned 50% of the game.

    by the way the tiers really don't matter any character can win it.
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