Sub 1 frame HDTV/Monitor Input Lag Database

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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    jopamo wrote: »
    Moonchilde wrote: »
    Darksakul wrote: »
    Moonchilde wrote: »
    Ok I just checked. Bare minimum the device will report is 16.7 ms at the bottom of the screen. This display only has an additional 2 ms of lag. That's really good! That's way under a frame. Someone really needs to update the definition of lag, because people will assume 19 ms as being over a frame, when a reading of 19 ms is really 2 ms of lag. Need to always subtract the original frame being drawn from what's read at the bottom of the screen.

    That is why you always take 3 readings, Top, Middle and Bottom. As you go from top to bottom the readings get longer.

    A lot of people read the middle and simply tell people that number is the input lag. Reading that, I would assume that's on top of the original 16.7 ms. If the middle of the screen is 12 ms then the input lag should be somewhere around 2 to 4 ms. Right now, Sabin is tweeting to people it's 12 ms of input lag, when the reality is it's much better than that. The bottom is probably the more accurate of the 3 since that's the entire screen being drawn, then just subtract 16.7 from that number and you have your lag.

    16 posts is NOT “several” posts, @ShinjiGohan

    So you went ahead and counted? I would have guessed 10. Glad i didn't guess. Nor did that detract from the point.
  • TenshoTensho Joined: Posts: 2,873
    edited November 10
    Then all of Displaylags reading are wrong and many that seemed mediocre are actually good and possibly under a frame? As far as I know they take the 3 readings as do many other sites.
    And those posts above are over a year ago and a few people talking about their own method of testing lag it seems not what the majority do.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,900
    You always take 3 readings, that is how Leo Bodnar designed his lag tester to work with.

    Take, top, middle and bottom readings and take an average of those 3
    If you are worried about variance, you repeat the process, you still average out the top, middle and bottom readings.
    Then with all the repeats you take the average of that. No one bothers with more than 10, usually 3 tests as there very little variance.
    If there is a lot of variance, then their something wrong with the TV.
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  • TenshoTensho Joined: Posts: 2,873
    Well his readings were around 4, 7 and 19, I don't see how that's 2-2.5ms. B)
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,900
    Tensho wrote: »
    Well his readings were around 4, 7 and 19, I don't see how that's 2-2.5ms. B)

    4+7+19=30
    30÷3=10

    10ms. Which is sub frame and perfectly fine latency scores for a HDMI Flat Screen Display, and is considered excellent for FGC standards.

    With no one else in the industry having a MS lag time of less than 8ms, I doubt a cheap Hori portable display is going to have a 2ms lag time.
    It's not possible, especially at the price point Hori is selling their display for.

    Yes there are 2ms displays, but they not consumer grade displays, those displays are industrial grade and don't even use HDMI.
    They are used in industry where every ms counts, air traffic control, medical, broadcasting, ect, such displays cost thousands of dollars and there no way Hori of all companies make a cheap portable gaming display that measures up with a $10,000 display that is only used in air traffic control and hospitals.
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  • TenshoTensho Joined: Posts: 2,873
    Which is why a few posts back I also said 10ms.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 23,900
    Tensho wrote: »
    Which is why a few posts back I also said 10ms.

    I agree. I felt I should post the math up for everyone else.
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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    edited November 10
    So then by your standards, standard "lagless" CRTs lag 8ms. Even though when we are comparing lag we are comparing how much they lagged to a regular CRT screen. Do you guys even logic? The Hori displays lag 2-3ms behind what a standard CRT would display.
  • jopamojopamo Stuck in Silly-con Valley Joined: Posts: 1,268
    edited November 10
    So you went ahead and counted? I would have guessed 10. Glad i didn't guess. Nor did that detract from the point.
    My only point was to show that you are being a tool.
    Do you guys even logic?
    Thank you for further proving my point (with your lackluster English).

  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,156 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Glad to know that correcting people when they make a mistake, especially when the evidence is on the same page is known as being a "tool".

    With your lack of reading comprehension and logic, its no wonder you keep making a fool of yourself.
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