The Razer Arcade Stick Thread!

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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,588
    NO!
    It is my way of saying, chill its the internet.
    Any ways regardless of what we do or not do we can't completely influence Razer to only select people we want.
    And even if we able to influence there decisions , that is Razor's business to do so.
    And I doubt any one getting a free stick, more than likely we got to send it back when we are done or pay for the stick.
    Even if we get to keep the stick with out paying a cent, we still have to work on earning that stick in write -ups and feed back.

    I remember from beta testing some games, you have to contractually write a several page report on your findings.

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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    Being a titty hole is cooler.

    I think this stick is gonna be expensive, what with all the royalties they will have to give to Mad Catz. :[
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,588
    Being a titty hole is cooler.

    I think this stick is gonna be expensive, what with all the royalties they will have to give to Mad Catz. :[
    Well will see :wgrin:
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  • MnoMno 哈哈哈 Joined: Posts: 2,320
    Why shouldn't anyone be excited?

    This kind of involvement and recognition is healthy for the community.
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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    yep they already done fucked up with the custom button plugs not compatible with Seimitsu.
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 21,588
    yep they already done fucked up with the custom button plugs not compatible with Seimitsu.
    Real modders just change the QDs
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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    Hahah, I thought that was just in the mockup. It's a neat idea, but yeah, that is not gonna work with Seimitsu switches. Maybe they'll have a Seimitsu harness or something.

    What's the turbo panel look like on the real stick?

    Is there enough room inside for Sanwa RG switches or anything but stock Sanwa/Seimitsu? It looked pretty tight in there.
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 35,598 mod
    FAIL!

    Worst part is that if they're tight, then they're gonna be hell to remove seeing as you ahve to take both QDs out at the same time. Use a bit too much strength and hello bent prongs.
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  • ArxinalArxinal CountAntonius Joined: Posts: 367
    He's reading
    will check it out. I do visit often (you'll realize from the prototype that it's already taken in a lot of feedback from the site) :)
    Do keep the feedback coming. We want to perfect the stick.
    I see some concerns abt legal stuff. I'm fine with mods on it. My plane is taking off, will have my team follow up shortly.
    Let's get some feedback going.
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  • lolmarklolmark Joined: Posts: 230
    Love the look of the quick connects but definitely a bit overengineered, especially if you want to drop in Seimitsu buttons. The 3D render shows off extra compartments in the interior, which I think are for buttons and plugs, but I'm not sure how you'd fit them. -PS. I really want a beta stick :3
  • AmpAmp Joined: Posts: 533
    Reposted from the TTT Panel Thread:

    I wonder how easy it would be to convince them to provide "extra" PCB mounting supports, with nothing mounted of course, for purposes of Dual-Modding, or LED modding, etc.

    Kinda like the idea people had for the extra solder/terminal points, but more for physical space to put our extra PCB's.
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  • jdm714jdm714 Blue Blue Glass Moon Joined: Posts: 12,830
    This would basically turn the ability to "pre-engineer" something for it violation of the terms. So let's say Toodles or I create a board to mate to it... before it's even released to the public, then there's a bit of a problem. This means even if we come out with something afterward we can still be in violation because we had certain knowledge prior to release.

    However, this would mean that we could put insight into things such as "you should add x and y" which would allow easy interface to something already out there, so perhaps lean them toward giving standoffs that they don't use but are in prime position for mounting extra hardware.

    Perhaps a consult with @UltraDavid is in order when this comes about.
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  • networkingyuppynetworkingyuppy RandoMadness. Joined: Posts: 2,322 mod
    Pneumatic Panels. :/

    It resembles much like a TE, including the top left turbo control panel, and the design for the overall controller build and shape should be completely revised if they're going to market that out to the public.

    Since the design is very similar to a TE, this can bring up some arising issues and possibly a lawsuit due to similar arcade hardware engineering. To be honest, Razer should recruit more members in the R&D department to come up with a better idea. The concept of this design is way too common today.
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  • networkingyuppynetworkingyuppy RandoMadness. Joined: Posts: 2,322 mod
    Those QD is only compatible with Sanwas only. Seimitsus stay sad.
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  • KyleKyle PS-14-Gangsta Joined: Posts: 4,735 mod
    Since the design is very similar to a TE, this can bring up some arising issues and possibly a lawsuit due to similar arcade hardware engineering. To be honest, Razer should recruit more members in the R&D department to come up with a better idea. The concept of this design is way too common today.
    This. I was hoping they would bring something interesting to the mix - even as simple as LED buttons. The crazy, non PS-14-G compatible QDs mean we can't be friends.
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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    from the press pics, you can see that it does use a quick disconnect usb.

    it just uses the usb A input rather than the less common and more sturdy usb b input
    pretty meh, but at least its better than micro usb
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  • ScaffaScaffa Joined: Posts: 182
    I'm not "well known", but I actually understand that a beta test is for feedback from varying levels of expertise in both playing and modding ability. Therefor I applied, because although I may not be good with a soldering iron or multi-meter, I know that at this stage of the product cycle a beta test wants answers to questions like "How comfortable is it?" - "Was it easy to change a button?" and not "How easy was it to dual mod?". One day though hopefully I can be a super sekkrit squirrel.

    Anyways,

    Seeing as the product is looking to be a modular design so they can hang on to the aftermarket mods (swap out to a different panel, manufactured by Razer rather than third party according to the video), it wouldn't be convoluted to expect a special seimitsu harness available in their store.
  • networkingyuppynetworkingyuppy RandoMadness. Joined: Posts: 2,322 mod
    This. I was hoping they would bring something interesting to the mix - even as simple as LED buttons. The crazy, non PS-14-G compatible QDs mean we can't be friends.
    Silly straight housing. Now if only they made zigzag plastic housings for those QDs to get those PS-14 compatible. I'm kidding, maybe just ditch the whole idea of having those and just leave the .110 bare :P
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  • EcKo Zero CoolEcKo Zero Cool lolz Joined: Posts: 802
    razer have some very nice pc gear from what i have seen. from there keyboards to there headsets.
    if the stick is anything like them it should be good.
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  • fokkusuhaundofokkusuhaundo true bubble struggle Joined: Posts: 695
    Here's a nice photo gallery of the stick: http://www.engadget.com/photos/razers-unnamed-mod-friendly-fight-stick-first-look/#4451311

    They should change the turbo panel to at least not look like a Mad Catz knockoff, even if the build quality ends up being better than Mad Catz. Perhaps Razer was trying to be nice and designed the stick to be compatible with existing TE art and plexi templates.
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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    still wondering how this thing opens

    looks like its a spring latch underneath the razer emblem
    also if that hydraulics push out and that spring latch breaks....
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  • fokkusuhaundofokkusuhaundo true bubble struggle Joined: Posts: 695
    I can understand the reasoning behind using the custom QD housing since the wires aren't color-coded, but using color-coded wires and individual QD sleeves is still the better way to go.
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  • The_ThirdThe_Third Poverty Gamer Joined: Posts: 1,008
    still wondering how this thing opens

    looks like its a spring latch underneath the razer emblem
    also if that hydraulics push out and that spring latch breaks....

    Watch the engadget video.
  • CSword123CSword123 oh god OHGOD! why did I think this was a good idea? please... just- I'M SORRY!! Joined: Posts: 1,190
    Bat top holder is awesome.

    If Happ/Il buttons fit in this thing, that would be the perfect middle ground for people who like the slim size of TE but prefer MK Layout with American parts.
    I can understand the reasoning behind using the custom QD housing since the wires aren't color-coded, but using color-coded wires and individual QD sleeves is still the better way to go.

    Well this is from a mainly PC gaming company. If they put a liquid cooling system in this stick for purely aesthetic reasons, I wouldn't be surprised. ;)
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  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    Watch the engadget video.

    i would have earlier but i was in class
    so its definitely a spring latch and that thing that looks like hydraulics is more like a stick that holds it up like a car hood
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  • MarkManMarkMan BRAND & COMMUNITY ADVISOR FOR TEKKEN | EVO BIZ DEV | ? ? ? Joined: Posts: 5,164 mod
    i applied for the beta, lol.
  • PhreakazoidPhreakazoid Turkey Legs Incoming! Joined: Posts: 3,477
    The QD thing needs to go for sure. I also wonder how grippy the bottom is since there's no feet it seems. Looks like it may be a rubber pad but I can't tell if it's just a rippled bottom or not. They should add spots for feet anyway and give added customization options, some people like them quite a lot (jinx, etc.)

    I really do like the amount of empty space, and the bat top holder lends very nicely for Link usage/compartment when not in use :)
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  • RoboKrikitRoboKrikit nuclear Joined: Posts: 1,943
    from the press pics, you can see that it does use a quick disconnect usb.

    it just uses the usb A input rather than the less common and more sturdy usb b input
    pretty meh, but at least its better than micro usb

    The separate cable is nice. I think Micro USB is better for this application because it is built to withstand a lot more insertions (insert yo momma joke here). 10,000 vs 1500 for USB-A/B.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Durability

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    It resembles much like a TE, including the top left turbo control panel, and the design for the overall controller build and shape should be completely revised if they're going to market that out to the public.

    It looks way too much like a pimped-out TE. Like they downloaded a TE model and started modding it. The turbo panel made both my eyebrows go up. I was really surprised to see that after the Twitter comments calling out Mad Catz a while back ("time to design a REAL tournament fightstick"). I'm sure the result will be a good stick, but the more I think about it the more it bothers me.
  • FreezerBFreezerB Joined: Posts: 1,343
    Oog, can you imagine the nightmare you'd have with the prongs if they were slightly bent? It's bad enough that I have trouble with them sometimes, I just can't imagine taking them off without it being unconfortable.

    Not sure how I feel about that hinge. I like to take my tops completely off.
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  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    i applied for the beta, lol.
    Hahaha. I'm going to reccomend you. What should I put down?

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    rtdesign: :rofl::rofl::rofl: Just too funny
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    The separate cable is nice. I think Micro USB is better for this application because it is built to withstand a lot more insertions (insert yo momma joke here). 10,000 vs 1500 for USB-A/B.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#Durability

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    It looks way too much like a pimped-out TE. Like they downloaded a TE model and started modding it. The turbo panel made both my eyebrows go up. I was really surprised to see that after the Twitter comments calling out Mad Catz a while back ("time to design a REAL tournament fightstick"). I'm sure the result will be a good stick, but the more I think about it the more it bothers me.

    Having a B style connector with through hole mounting to the PCB should be how they do that. It's simple, easy for them to implement, cheap, and allows users to go with a different cable if they lose/chew up the one they've got. Veritcal A style is just stupid from a logistics point of view, and mini is nice but they have a shitload of space... there's no reason to use them.

    Either way, if they make the USB connector SMT they're dead from the start.. because people WILL tear that shit.

    I hope they improve on the aesthetics and give it a good spin, it's hard to get away from looking like a TE these days.
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  • RosserRoosterRosserRooster Cocka-doodle-do MoFo Joined: Posts: 2,069
    For the .110" disconnects instead of a sold piece of plastic for both power and ground they should develop some sort of snap or slide like how you connect terminal blocks together so if you want Seimitsu you just slide the two disconnects apart to fit the buttons
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  • joystickjunki3joystickjunki3 Arcade Fetishist Joined: Posts: 37
    I think the stick is WIRED

    Any ways MS don't lisence non MS controllers to be wireless.
    all 3rd party sticks and pads are wired

    I think that's just MS America. Hori makes a wireless stick in Japan that is a standard stick, not limited like the T6; I believe that it is licensed. (see: http://hori.jp/items/detail.php?id=894)
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    [edit] Although, it doesn't really matter what branch, because this stick (meaning the Razer) will be both American and Japanese; it's gonna be wired.
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  • mistahsnartmistahsnart Joined: Posts: 511
    I'd like an angled top, six button Astro, row of buttons at the top for LB/RB/Start/Back, and a mini-USB connection (because I've already got cables next to my TV for DualShock3 controllers).

    More Namco, less TE. :)

    Interested to see where this goes, but right now, it just looks like a low-rider TE with that hydraulic.
  • ArxinalArxinal CountAntonius Joined: Posts: 367
    I like the ease of customization. Not sure about how easy is it to open. Hate to hit that latch while playing. Maybe move it somewhere less prominent on the stick? I like the detachable cord with the storage inside and the slot for extra buttons and balltop. I don't think the design being similar the the TE is a bad thing. That stick has by far the best ergonomics of any stick I've played with. So far it looks promising, but this still will fly or fall because of its internals. Sanwa is a good thing making it harder to swap out with seimitsu isn't. Hoping for a common ground PCB. Good prototype if they keep building on it based on the communities feedback we could have another great stick option.
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  • NoodlzNoodlz $$Billz yall Joined: Posts: 330
    Yeah the button latch release in the front kida bothers me. I mean i like the fact that you can easily get to it, but i just don't like how you might it it during play, would work much better if it were in the front side away from the panel. Matter of fact they should reverse it with the hinge on the side close to you, and have it flip out towards you so it's easier to work with. (i've always been annoyed with having the panels flipped away from you, makes it a little more difficult to mod with the awkward position. (the cables should be long so that it doesn't restrict the movement. Having hinged or somewhat being secured would nice, so that you can screw/unscrew parts easier.

    It also definitely looks too much like the TE at this point, and I'm not sure they even need a turbo panel, i don't think anyone actually ever uses them anyway.(unless you're playing shootemups or something) without it they can make a much cleaner design. I'd imagine them to design something a lot sleeker looking, and more unique to their brand.

    Love the compartmentalized interior. Would be nice to have a little space to put my custom balltops =) Not sure about the bottom being a once piece rubber thing, you wouldn't be able to do a custom bottom panel very easily. Also i'd prefer something like the jinx feet. Would be cool to have an LED option set up for the buttons, but costs and i'm not sure if everyone would want them.

    PCB should definitely be common ground so it's easy to mod, and it'd be nice to have an easy access, moddable terminal block connecting the wires with regular qd's, so then you could swap out buttons / sticks with ease.

    Definitely has potential tho
  • mr.mortifiedmr.mortified A man behind a desk Joined: Posts: 3,044
    if i get one, i'm definitely rewiring this thing and getting rid of those custom harnesses for caterpillar wiring

    it definitely reminds me of a combination of a TE + VLX that's for sure.

    One thing nagging me though is that the outer shell looks like its extremely flimsy if it is made of plastic.
    If it was made of metal though it would be a different story.
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  • MetuulGuitarist7MetuulGuitarist7 Feng for DLC! Joined: Posts: 201
    why no PS3 version??
  • PillarOfHeavenPillarOfHeaven Shoshin Joined: Posts: 278
    One thing nagging me though is that the outer shell looks like its extremely flimsy if it is made of plastic.
    If it was made of metal though it would be a different story.

    it is most likely metal, looking at the construction
  • gahrlinggahrling Better safe than Hori.. Joined: Posts: 3,941
    I don't think anyone should be complaining about another high quality arcade stick hitting the market. Especially considering how difficult Mad Catz and (usable) Hori 360 sticks are to get hold of at the moment.

    Of course, 8 buttons would be a disappointment, as would be a very unnecessary turbo panel. But ho hum..
  • Kuya_JoeKuya_Joe AKA BlindWithOneArm Joined: Posts: 2,816
    I don't think anyone should be complaining about another high quality arcade stick hitting the market. Especially considering how difficult Mad Catz and (usable) Hori 360 sticks are to get hold of at the moment.

    Of course, 8 buttons would be a disappointment, as would be a very unnecessary turbo panel. But ho hum..
    I agree with the turbo panel but cant rule out that it is fun to use on shmups
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    I wish they'd take the TE layout for the buttons, otherwise button checks are going to be more annoying if these take off.

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  • Kuya_JoeKuya_Joe AKA BlindWithOneArm Joined: Posts: 2,816
    I wish they'd take the TE layout for the buttons, otherwise button checks are going to be more annoying if these take off.
    maybe a button config feature... take out the symbols on the panel face for a cleaner look... <shrug>
    Pro's dont need symbols to know what button should do what...
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  • the.fapistthe.fapist Joined: Posts: 65
    i still don't get how you're supposed to differentiate the QD's from each other if they're all the same color.
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