No vids of US SF's 'Golden Era' & best_ever player!?

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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster 623+P brings people together Joined: Posts: 2,435
    i don't know anything about anything.
    i just know this.
    SF4 doesn't feel as fun as it should be.

    i wanna go back and play CvS2, MvC2, and KOF2002
    why is that?
    can someone explain why i feel this way?

    lol, other than stating the obvious which is that i'm a grumpy old fart that refuses to learn anything "new fangled".
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  • SaranghaSarangha Look within yourself Joined: Posts: 4,256
    snip

    I feel the same way and so do many others who played in the arcades during the 90s. The only thing consistent in life is change and I respect SF4 for what it is and like the fact it brought in a lot of new players. It's not my cup of tea and I put very little time into it but the Afro vs Damdai money match is going to be the highlight of evo for me. :)
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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,187 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    If Tomo wasn't on japans level then why would a rusty Jeff go .500 with Daigo in AE? Why would the Wolfe bros come out of retirement and advance several fights into SBO for ST? Why is it that the US OGs have done well against Japan in both Evo and in the US vs Japan in 2000.

    Back when SF2 first came out it was the Halo/Mass Effect title of its time. It was the game that 90% of the video game players played back in the earily 90's. With a player base several times higher than current FGs. An era where players like Jeff and Watson would play the game 8 hours a day. Compare that to top US players now saying that they don't even put in 8 hours a week. Is it really that much of a stretch that the players back then put in more effort against a larger player base than players do now? I don't believe it is much of a stretch.

    Then comparing how well retired OGs have done when they come back into the scene and play ST they tend to do well including against any Japanese competition.

    But remember Tomo made his impact back during CE and HF. He never played ST seriously according to Watson. Most players don't play HF or CE anymore (except for the country of Korea that plays CE). Even if a match were to go down we'd have a rusty Tomo playing japanese players that may not have spent a lot of time in HF. Or Tomo playing the Japanese in ST (a game that Tomo doesn't have a lot of experience). Either way its handicapped and impossible to gauge how good a player Tomo was if he were to come back today. His reactions have slowed down and can't put in the amount of time he used to put in to get as good as he used to be.

    Its hard enough to gauge how good retired quarterbacks are when compared to todays crop of QBs and they're playing the same game. To try and gauge a retired player like Tomo against players who aren't even playing the same game as he did is almost impossible.
  • TOSAKITOSAKI Joined: Posts: 12
    ^ Any time, have to say his play is ass but maybe he is just out of practice.

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  • eltroubleeltrouble Joined: Posts: 5,731
    Probably that Rocky Rose guy, or Elton Chong? There are some haters out there against Shaefer, Tomo, and the rest of the OG crew during the HF days.

    It speaks to his character though. Talking trash about guys who have already proven themselves, completely out of practice, and have no intention of becoming top players anymore.
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  • Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,711
    That guy is sucking mad dick dead ass.
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    Lol, who the fuck is this guy, anyway?
  • Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,711
    Redneck nerd who needs to get a life.
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  • tataa8Ptataa8P tourney. banned. washed-up. veteran. Joined: Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    somebody missed their depressants. it's nice to hear people drag out the "i was the sh*t back then!!!" stories, shoot a vid that NEVER shows their face and just spew utter garbage. the best way to go about it, is to show up at EVO 2012 this July and play the ST Tournament of Legends to settle it once and for all. provided they qualified that is... too bad it just ain't HF.

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  • Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,711
    lol they are not interested in playing competitively any more. They grew up, they got high paying jobs. Why would they come back just to play Street Fighter? A version they don't like nonetheless? It's kind of childish to expect them to do so too. What is this the WWE?
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  • tataa8Ptataa8P tourney. banned. washed-up. veteran. Joined: Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    well, hulk hogan is bound to make a comeback soon... anyway, i meant that people are still going to drag this out like forever unless they do show up and play the game. additionally, they would complain that "it's not HF which is the greatest version EVER!!!" so who knows if the Graham brothers or Schaeffer himself would even bother at all.

    on a different note, the SSF2T EVO 2012 qualifiers earlier this year was awesome but the battlegrounds commentary was HYPE-less and BORING AS F**K that i watched the stream muted. the FR15 qualifiers were WAAAY better though the vids Damdai uploaded were too flicker-y for me. still, seeing some of the OG's play ST and beat the tar out of each other was cool.

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  • daemahnicdaemahnic Joined: Posts: 22
    Pretty sure they won't comeback just to prove themselves to 3 or 4 retards on youtube who are at best irrelevant..
  • mtsac kidmtsac kid Joined: Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Elton Chong = Cocksucker Bitch#1
    TOSAKI = Cocksucker Bitch#2
    the rest of the HF / ST players who ACTIVELY play in offline tournaments / OG's who have already proved themselves in the past = Bukakke allover Cocksucker Bitch #1 & #2

    that is all
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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    If Tomo wasn't on japans level then why would a rusty Jeff go .500 with Daigo in AE? Why would the Wolfe bros come out of retirement and advance several fights into SBO for ST? Why is it that the US OGs have done well against Japan in both Evo and in the US vs Japan in 2000.

    They didn't do well at Evo (there were far more Americans than Japanese players at Evo so it gives an illusion to see that Japan didn't have as many people placing high). Wasn't US vs. Japan an O Sagat fest from the US?
    Back when SF2 first came out it was the Halo/Mass Effect title of its time. It was the game that 90% of the video game players played back in the earily 90's. With a player base several times higher than current FGs. An era where players like Jeff and Watson would play the game 8 hours a day. Compare that to top US players now saying that they don't even put in 8 hours a week. Is it really that much of a stretch that the players back then put in more effort against a larger player base than players do now? I don't believe it is much of a stretch.

    Apparently the level was so low back then, Tomo had to create a video to teach players why Timing, Distance and Reaction was important in SF2. Really, it doesn't matter how much they played back then when the entire metagame for fighting games in general was incredibly underdeveloped. If a game like SF2 came out today, it would be a lot easier for players to pick it up because the fighting game metagame right now is very developed...back then I'm sure far more people were mashing their buttons and rotating their sticks/pad.

    Now of course, there will be players that end up understanding how the game should be played, players like Tomo, Watson, Jeff and others...but logically I can't imagine there to be many, and again the other big factor is there was far too little undiscovered technology. The knowledge of the existence of a lot of technology, changes the metagame completely.

    One good example...how long did it take before THawk was considered a threat? For a very long time, he was a joke character with severely lacking tools.

    Edit: Tosaki, I think it's pretty pointless to post videos of rusty/retired players getting beat.
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  • johnnydojohnnydo Joined: Posts: 298
    What is this the WWE?

    Considering Marvel 2 fanboys retarded obsession with rivalries, yes apparently...
    I'm a stoopid 09'er who's never played a fighting game in his life. Judge me harshly.

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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster 623+P brings people together Joined: Posts: 2,435
    this thread needs to die.

    though i do admire the hard trolling by some of its posters.
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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster 623+P brings people together Joined: Posts: 2,435
    what is this shit????
    wtf is with this insane game commentary?
    :rofl::rofl::rofl:
    gdlk FGD trolling, lol.
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  • Wadeoc314Wadeoc314 Joined: Posts: 11
    If anyone has supercade and can watch replays, check out my replay vs drewpc777 AKA Rocky Rose. You'll see how scrubby of a player he is.

    I'm just an average player yet I beat him without much effort, so that says a lot about his skill level.

    for the replay, search for wadeoc314 vs drewpc777.
  • NickRocksNickRocks Knock Knock Joined: Posts: 22,899
    lol rocky rose is still making vids? amazing.

    if only he played mvc2 :(
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  • daemahnicdaemahnic Joined: Posts: 22
    Haha! Making a Supercade account is probably the worst thing Rocky could have done to showcase his alleged greatness. No more only recording his wins & conveniently leaving out his losses. Now people can just check the full replays themselves & see what really happened. He's already uploaded a match where he supposedly played Jeff Schaefer when it blatantly isn't. The game was against BLADE_ whose a player from New Zealand & a personal friend of mine. When we both pointed out the inaccuracies on the video he deleted our comments & blocked us.. LOL! Here's the video FYI -

  • Negative-Zer0Negative-Zer0 Joined: Posts: 9,711
    Its so sad its hilarious. I watch his videos when i am feeling down to know that when compared to his life, life ain't so bad.
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  • CrayfishCrayfish Oro of the FGC Joined: Posts: 820 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Ok guys, I just got sent this today:

    Secondly, Elton Chong (that is actually the name of one of the real Cali Oldschool players) is clearly another of Rocky Rose's (the guy in the video above) smurfs along with the 50 or so he has on youtube:
    http://www.youtube.com/user/EltonChong75

    Duno how many more of sudden spate of oldschool doubters / haters in this thread are also him, but maybe an admin could do an ip check?
    The cornfield stuff was funny for 5 minuites, but after seeing that video above acting like that, I am genuinely concerned for his parents (whom he still lives with) safety..

    EDIT - Cribs Rocky Rose:
  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster 623+P brings people together Joined: Posts: 2,435
    Haha! Making a Supercade account is probably the worst thing Rocky could have done to showcase his alleged greatness. No more only recording his wins & conveniently leaving out his losses. Now people can just check the full replays themselves & see what really happened. He's already uploaded a match where he supposedly played Jeff Schaefer when it blatantly isn't. The game was against BLADE_ whose a player from New Zealand & a personal friend of mine. When we both pointed out the inaccuracies on the video he deleted our comments & blocked us.. LOL! Here's the video FYI -

    dude

    what is your problem with jeff?
    why are you obsessing over the poor guy?

    you're acting like he raped your baby.

    lol, great troll vid though.
    i clicked the like option. just for kicks.

    what if jeff does suck nowadays. who cares. why do you want him to still be great at sf when hes playing for kicks and not competively/seriosly nowadays?
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  • tataa8Ptataa8P tourney. banned. washed-up. veteran. Joined: Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    @Waedoc314
    you did claim to play against that miserable redneck piece of shit on Supercade and unfortunately, YOU are now INFECTED so Crayfish blocked you off on Youtube. sorry...

    P.S.
    please don't block ME on Youtube Cray!!!

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  • Wadeoc314Wadeoc314 Joined: Posts: 11
    What is this, Resident Evil? Don't give me that "infected" BS. lol

    I just wanted Crayfish to expose Rocky Rose by uploading his losses.
  • tataa8Ptataa8P tourney. banned. washed-up. veteran. Joined: Posts: 1,347 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    @Waedoc314
    hey, be careful. that hybrid hillbilly virus can infect you via electronic transmission while playing SF2 HF on Supercade/GGPO!!! that Elton Chong guy is just one of numerous minions and a top ranking one it seems, hell-bent on wreaking havoc ON SRK!!! where did you think they got the idea to set Resident Evil in a modern American metropolis named Raccoon City?!?

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  • oldschool_BRoldschool_BR Projectile spammer Joined: Posts: 2,442
    Elton Chong/Rocky Rose vs Bojack: clash of top players! :rofl:
  • Data BeastData Beast Joined: Posts: 592
    Nobody has ever demolished me in HF as thoroughly as Rocky Rose. He's one of the few players whose ability exceeds his shit talking. I know he's not popular around here, but I think his videos are funny as hell and I enjoy playing against him.
  • mtsac kidmtsac kid Joined: Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    If Rocky Rose / Elton Chong ever set foot in Southern California,I'll personally challenge them a first to 10 for 200 bucks at Super Arcade in Walnut ( sit down head to head Japanese cab or stand up HF switched to the ST cab ). I havent touched HF competitively in years, but I am pretty sure I could mollywop these two suckas up with a strand of ballsack curl from my left nut.
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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster 623+P brings people together Joined: Posts: 2,435
    If Rocky Rose / Elton Chong ever set foot in Southern California,I'll personally challenge them ...

    HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER!
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  • Turbo2ToneTurbo2Tone Hyper Fighter Joined: Posts: 606
    I love how people try to discredit the US players for the USA vs Japan event in 2000, but always seem to leave out that it was one of the first times and tournaments where they used Japanese sticks. That is pretty important thing to leave out when discussing their first time over there. A problem Watson especially had while over there after playing on American sticks for 9 years.

    Also I love when these guys like Tosaki call the game unevolved during SFs most played era. Not realizing that the game pretty much died completely after 95 leaving some room to evolve in the future, but pretty much putting the focus on ST. So for those years after, who was there to evolve the game. Pretty sure the OG players evolved the game into what it is today. Of course there have been advancements in the game and strats have been developed, but were not talking about 3S here or even ST where there are still tournaments and drive. We are talking about CPS1 SF i.e. hyper fighting. Great game and a true test of people`s reactions, spacing, footsies, zoning and all the things that make a great SF game. While it may be primitive in its development, it is more of a test of true skill and patience. Which makes the argument more sound for the OGs as they were the ones to master SF fundamentals from the beginning.

    Just look at Watson today. SF OG who kept playing throughout the years. Was a top player all the way to 3S and even for a while SF4. Look at Choi, winning two evo tournaments back in 08 at an older age. Also one of the few players that gives BAS a run for his money in CVS2. Schaeffer beat Daigo in Anniversary during Daigo`s American heyday as well as when SBO was using Hyper SF2 Anniversary. You can't deny how good the OGs are because just look at them today. They are still really good, but some fools bring up some videos from players like Schaeffer who quit a long time ago getting beat down and expect that to be the same play and reaction skills they had 20 years ago...get real people. And that Daigo event even happened 6 years ago, people can't stay good forever. No one should treat the OGs like untouchable gods nor should they treat them as yesterday`s trash. Give them respect for what they have done, they clearly are and were phenomenal players for their time and even now.

    As for the Japanese, during the golden era, you had two countries both playing the game at its inception. Both had very large player bases and Tomo was deemed America`s definitive champion by a long margin. You had Kuni discuss how there were maybe 1-5 players that might be a Tomo`s level. The guy won 100 tournaments at the most popular game of its day. On top of that, both countries had been playing at the same developmental stages of the games lifespan with both having fierce competition. What happened? Arcades started dying in the US, Americans stopped playing fighting games which drove the comp down, the Japanese kept playing with strong competition, new games came out which brought in new players in the US and many old players just stopped playing. You can argue all you want on how much the game has developed since then, but truth is that after 95, people weren't play Hyper Fighting, it was all about ST if you had to play SF2 and didn't move onto the Alphas. So make every development argument you want, but that game was most developed during the early to mid 90s at the peak of SF and the time honoured champion of that specific era was still Tomo. And no Rocky Rose or Elton Chong or any of these left over Hyper Fighting players(myself included) can dethrone his legacy. Who knows how good Tomo was, but for that era we new he was the best. There is more than enough evidence to prove that.
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  • blufangblufang Devour! Joined: Posts: 4,487
    Well said Turbo2Tone. It's pretty hilarious that some kids think most players just mashed buttons back then mindlessly without any concept of strategy. That the best players back then were chumps that would get owned if they played today. Ignorance is bliss to some I guess.

    Oh yeah to the kids suggesting why don't they dominate in modern games if they were so good. Well these players of the old SF2 era are well into their 40s, married, kids, careers. Yeah so devoting many hours to a video game isn't high on their priority list, obviously.




  • xesxes Evil Forrest Gump Joined: Posts: 2,528
    Well said Turbo2Tone. It's pretty hilarious that some kids think most players just mashed buttons back then mindlessly without any concept of strategy. That the best players back then were chumps that would get owned if they played today. Ignorance is bliss to some I guess.

    Oh yeah to the kids suggesting why don't they dominate in modern games if they were so good. Well these players of the old SF2 era are well into their 40s, married, kids, careers. Yeah so devoting many hours to a video game isn't high on their priority list, obviously.

    There's this thing you'll notice as you age, you really do start to slow down, even by your '30s.

    Edit: Also, reasons don't matter. If folks aren't winning now, there's zero reason to believe they're good now.
  • blufangblufang Devour! Joined: Posts: 4,487
    Isn't Daigo 30 or something? He's doing pretty well. Quite a few of those 'legendary' players that are 30 or over still play. The thing is they put in the time still, even if they have much less spare time than teens and young 20 somethings.

    I don't think anyone is saying they are good now, they probably haven't played in a long time. Just saying if you transported those old timer players in their prime to the modern era, it is ignorant to say they couldn't succeed. People before Diago won that first SFIV tournament were saying he's too old, he's done, he was good back then but players are much better now, etc. Obviously they were wrong. Daigo put in the time and won.




  • ShinAkumaxShinAkumax Slick Vic Avatar Joined: Posts: 2,055
    Tomo, Jeff, Mike Watson on Arcade Releif stream:
    http://www.twitch.tv/leveluplive/b/348421297

    Thank you for sharing, and thank you Tomo for taking time to speak. I was just a kid when you were playing. It's great to be able to see you still kicking it and being a cranky old man about how games, were games when you were young too! Thank you very much.
    This becomes that.
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