The Current State of the World and US (updated first post)

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  • pedoviejopedoviejo Thuggin in da Kitchen Joined: Posts: 13,776
    edited May 9
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Hopefully this is a trend that continues. Good job on France for noticing the pattern of growing fascism.

    Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the alt-right. that shit needs to be destroyed and forgotten.

    The people that are tired of France's problems aren't just going to call it a night.

    If anything, this will give way to a more extreme response.

    Maybe, but the pendulum swings both ways. If you think the USA isnt going to have someone like Bernie, or to the left of him as president next you're kidding yourself.

    With the intersectional movement growing, the left in the usa is becoming more and more aware of capitalism being the enemy, and even liberals are getting shit on by the real left, becoming pressured to stop being republican-lite.

    I'm pretty cynical about people's ability to handle new information, but damn, this shit is really growing and by the time the next presidential election rolls around things are gonna get interesting.

    this marxist shit is what's going to start war, embolden ethnic nationalists that will ethnically cleanse "race traitors" and minorities, and end the republic. Congrats, all because you think some central authority should give you gibemedats, rather than be a citizen that values self determination.
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    On the way home from work I heard two white girls talking about how Sharia Law would be good for America.

    What the hell are universities teaching these kids these days?

    According to the internet, some of what Sharia Law says:

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
    • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    etc

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Like, if this was France where people actually voted for Macron I would understand, but in the US?


    university cirruculum, and the gobbling up of socialist ideology when we have more than enough data to prove that socialism does more harm than good compared to other systems, even fucking facsism, is proof Yuri was right about the Soviet subversion of America.

    LOFL,

    like lets not criticize shit ideology because its totally not nice, but its ok to make fun and belittle christians and citizens becasue everything is about class and power structures becasue my professor told me so.

    Nietzche was right, the dismantling and unraveling of god and all the values of the west on which classical liberalism was based on, has doomed us, and nihilism has had severe consequences on our society.
    ______________________________________________________________________________

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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,606
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Hopefully this is a trend that continues. Good job on France for noticing the pattern of growing fascism.

    Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the alt-right. that shit needs to be destroyed and forgotten.

    The people that are tired of France's problems aren't just going to call it a night.

    If anything, this will give way to a more extreme response.

    Maybe, but the pendulum swings both ways. If you think the USA isnt going to have someone like Bernie, or to the left of him as president next you're kidding yourself.

    With the intersectional movement growing, the left in the usa is becoming more and more aware of capitalism being the enemy, and even liberals are getting shit on by the real left, becoming pressured to stop being republican-lite.

    I'm pretty cynical about people's ability to handle new information, but damn, this shit is really growing and by the time the next presidential election rolls around things are gonna get interesting.

    this marxist shit is what's going to start war, embolden ethnic nationalists that will ethnically cleanse "race traitors" and minorities, and end the republic. Congrats, all because you think some central authority should give you gibemedats, rather than be a citizen that values self determination.
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    On the way home from work I heard two white girls talking about how Sharia Law would be good for America.

    What the hell are universities teaching these kids these days?

    According to the internet, some of what Sharia Law says:

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
    • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    etc

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Like, if this was France where people actually voted for Macron I would understand, but in the US?


    university cirruculum, and the gobbling up of socialist ideology when we have more than enough data to prove that socialism does more harm than good compared to other systems, even fucking facsism, is proof Yuri was right about the Soviet subversion of America.

    LOFL,

    like lets not criticize shit ideology because its totally not nice, but its ok to make fun and belittle christians and citizens becasue everything is about class and power structures becasue my professor told me so.

    Nietzche was right, the dismantling and unraveling of god and all the values of the west on which classical liberalism was based on, has doomed us, and nihilism has had severe consequences on our society.

    one of the few things that i believe in is actually decentralization.

    but regardless of what i think, we're in an era where change is about to occur, and i believe it will be big changes, and there will probably be bloodshed, unfortunately.
    Northeast PA
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  • WastedWasted Verbal Diarrhetic Joined: Posts: 5,581
    I'll take Alizee, then.
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  • pedoviejopedoviejo Thuggin in da Kitchen Joined: Posts: 13,776
    edited May 9
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Hopefully this is a trend that continues. Good job on France for noticing the pattern of growing fascism.

    Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the alt-right. that shit needs to be destroyed and forgotten.

    The people that are tired of France's problems aren't just going to call it a night.

    If anything, this will give way to a more extreme response.

    Maybe, but the pendulum swings both ways. If you think the USA isnt going to have someone like Bernie, or to the left of him as president next you're kidding yourself.

    With the intersectional movement growing, the left in the usa is becoming more and more aware of capitalism being the enemy, and even liberals are getting shit on by the real left, becoming pressured to stop being republican-lite.

    I'm pretty cynical about people's ability to handle new information, but damn, this shit is really growing and by the time the next presidential election rolls around things are gonna get interesting.

    this marxist shit is what's going to start war, embolden ethnic nationalists that will ethnically cleanse "race traitors" and minorities, and end the republic. Congrats, all because you think some central authority should give you gibemedats, rather than be a citizen that values self determination.
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    On the way home from work I heard two white girls talking about how Sharia Law would be good for America.

    What the hell are universities teaching these kids these days?

    According to the internet, some of what Sharia Law says:

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
    • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    etc

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Like, if this was France where people actually voted for Macron I would understand, but in the US?


    university cirruculum, and the gobbling up of socialist ideology when we have more than enough data to prove that socialism does more harm than good compared to other systems, even fucking facsism, is proof Yuri was right about the Soviet subversion of America.

    LOFL,

    like lets not criticize shit ideology because its totally not nice, but its ok to make fun and belittle christians and citizens becasue everything is about class and power structures becasue my professor told me so.

    Nietzche was right, the dismantling and unraveling of god and all the values of the west on which classical liberalism was based on, has doomed us, and nihilism has had severe consequences on our society.

    one of the few things that i believe in is actually decentralization.

    but regardless of what i think, we're in an era where change is about to occur, and i believe it will be big changes, and there will probably be bloodshed, unfortunately.

    your pandering for "collectivized healthcare via the government", and the "pooling and redistribution of wealth" all require extreme centralization and buerocracy to run it. you even went as far as to say that people should just collectivize themselves into communes so they could live on 9 dollars an hour by splitting everything up, that requires even more centralization but a more individual level, which gives way to even more widespread acceptance of centralization

    Explain this
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,606
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Hopefully this is a trend that continues. Good job on France for noticing the pattern of growing fascism.

    Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the alt-right. that shit needs to be destroyed and forgotten.

    The people that are tired of France's problems aren't just going to call it a night.

    If anything, this will give way to a more extreme response.

    Maybe, but the pendulum swings both ways. If you think the USA isnt going to have someone like Bernie, or to the left of him as president next you're kidding yourself.

    With the intersectional movement growing, the left in the usa is becoming more and more aware of capitalism being the enemy, and even liberals are getting shit on by the real left, becoming pressured to stop being republican-lite.

    I'm pretty cynical about people's ability to handle new information, but damn, this shit is really growing and by the time the next presidential election rolls around things are gonna get interesting.

    this marxist shit is what's going to start war, embolden ethnic nationalists that will ethnically cleanse "race traitors" and minorities, and end the republic. Congrats, all because you think some central authority should give you gibemedats, rather than be a citizen that values self determination.
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    On the way home from work I heard two white girls talking about how Sharia Law would be good for America.

    What the hell are universities teaching these kids these days?

    According to the internet, some of what Sharia Law says:

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
    • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    etc

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Like, if this was France where people actually voted for Macron I would understand, but in the US?


    university cirruculum, and the gobbling up of socialist ideology when we have more than enough data to prove that socialism does more harm than good compared to other systems, even fucking facsism, is proof Yuri was right about the Soviet subversion of America.

    LOFL,

    like lets not criticize shit ideology because its totally not nice, but its ok to make fun and belittle christians and citizens becasue everything is about class and power structures becasue my professor told me so.

    Nietzche was right, the dismantling and unraveling of god and all the values of the west on which classical liberalism was based on, has doomed us, and nihilism has had severe consequences on our society.

    one of the few things that i believe in is actually decentralization.

    but regardless of what i think, we're in an era where change is about to occur, and i believe it will be big changes, and there will probably be bloodshed, unfortunately.

    your pandering for "collectivized healthcare via the government", and the "pooling and redistribution of wealth" all require extreme centralization and buerocracy to run it. you even went as far as to say that people should just collectivize themselves into communes so they could live on 9 dollars an hour by splitting everything up, that requires even more centralization but a more individual level, which gives way to even more widespread acceptance of centralization

    Explain this

    Because I know that a decentralized system is never going to happen in my lifetime, so I might as well be pragmatic and opt for societal stability. This is why I think social democracy is a good step 1 for the United States, even if I disagree with it in many ways.

    I dont think I ever talked about communes here.
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  • dab00gdab00g Joined: Posts: 19,787
    I doubt two white college girls would be talking up sharia law instead of what party they will be at or what their bf will do. Or how cute some shit on ig/pinterest is

    nobody likes sharia law.

    I will say i heard two white guys talk about america finally having a WHITE HOUsE

    I don't know if macron will be a win for france, he just seems more tv friendly than "white people are better people" la pen

    Too early to judge unlike trump with his visas for the rich with real estate investments in the us.
  • pedoviejopedoviejo Thuggin in da Kitchen Joined: Posts: 13,776
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Hopefully this is a trend that continues. Good job on France for noticing the pattern of growing fascism.

    Hopefully this is the beginning of the end of the alt-right. that shit needs to be destroyed and forgotten.

    The people that are tired of France's problems aren't just going to call it a night.

    If anything, this will give way to a more extreme response.

    Maybe, but the pendulum swings both ways. If you think the USA isnt going to have someone like Bernie, or to the left of him as president next you're kidding yourself.

    With the intersectional movement growing, the left in the usa is becoming more and more aware of capitalism being the enemy, and even liberals are getting shit on by the real left, becoming pressured to stop being republican-lite.

    I'm pretty cynical about people's ability to handle new information, but damn, this shit is really growing and by the time the next presidential election rolls around things are gonna get interesting.

    this marxist shit is what's going to start war, embolden ethnic nationalists that will ethnically cleanse "race traitors" and minorities, and end the republic. Congrats, all because you think some central authority should give you gibemedats, rather than be a citizen that values self determination.
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    On the way home from work I heard two white girls talking about how Sharia Law would be good for America.

    What the hell are universities teaching these kids these days?

    According to the internet, some of what Sharia Law says:

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
    • Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
    • A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Religion of Peace).
    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
    • A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Errors in Quran).
    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
    etc

    http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Like, if this was France where people actually voted for Macron I would understand, but in the US?


    university cirruculum, and the gobbling up of socialist ideology when we have more than enough data to prove that socialism does more harm than good compared to other systems, even fucking facsism, is proof Yuri was right about the Soviet subversion of America.

    LOFL,

    like lets not criticize shit ideology because its totally not nice, but its ok to make fun and belittle christians and citizens becasue everything is about class and power structures becasue my professor told me so.

    Nietzche was right, the dismantling and unraveling of god and all the values of the west on which classical liberalism was based on, has doomed us, and nihilism has had severe consequences on our society.

    one of the few things that i believe in is actually decentralization.

    but regardless of what i think, we're in an era where change is about to occur, and i believe it will be big changes, and there will probably be bloodshed, unfortunately.

    your pandering for "collectivized healthcare via the government", and the "pooling and redistribution of wealth" all require extreme centralization and buerocracy to run it. you even went as far as to say that people should just collectivize themselves into communes so they could live on 9 dollars an hour by splitting everything up, that requires even more centralization but a more individual level, which gives way to even more widespread acceptance of centralization

    Explain this

    Because I know that a decentralized system is never going to happen in my lifetime, so I might as well be pragmatic and opt for societal stability. This is why I think social democracy is a good step 1 for the United States, even if I disagree with it in many ways.

    I dont think I ever talked about communes here.

    yet all evidence shows that these collectivized programs are not pragmatic in the long term, and are inherently unstable becasue the moment there's a small disturbance in the flow of money or resources, there's an extreme rationing of even the most basic items. The more pragmatic solution is to force people to accept conditions, but then that would be facism, and people think that's bad.

    these programs only create societal stability by creating an underclass that's completely dependent on these programs. That's not pragmatism, nor is it true social stability. Social stability is having a system that can deal with good and bad and extreme flux. Socialist governments have proven to be very inflexible, and in countries with socialized and collectivized programs, we see that they aren't any more effective than the shit we have here. By moving towards a social democracy with everything being collectivized you create a situation where being ruled by feudal lords, except your lord is the populism of the day. It really seems that you assume the system can be better becasue they will be tied to some foolish notion of "social democracy", that people having a bigger say in politics will somehow reign it all in. Maybe in a homogeneous and ethnically pure society where everybody has some nationalistic, and or cultural tie to one another, but in societies that are culturally pluralistic, becoming, or have a large poor underclass it has shown to not work.

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  • pedoviejopedoviejo Thuggin in da Kitchen Joined: Posts: 13,776
    You also mentioned the collective idea when you atgued that people shouldnt have cars, and be forced to live in urban areas near their work and use public transportation. Not only would congestion, unnecessary use of resources and foasil fuel consumption go down. if people split the cost of living, a 9 dollar wage is more than livable provided you lived a "simple" life.

    This is why i throw the communism thing at you all the time.
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  • ShinjiGohanShinjiGohan Joined: Posts: 5,061 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    If we are going to war, then lets declare it and get it over already. No more of this pussy footing around in the middle east. If we got troops there and bombing them nearly every day and not at war then this is fucked up.

    Obviously I'd rather not be at work and withdraw our troops. But if we are at war then lets do this right and win this thing.
  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,606
    the "collectivized programs" such as healthcare etc have been shown to work really well which is why every other industrial country does it.

    none of the things you listed are communist ideas. biking to work, and living on 9/hr is just something people can do inside capitalism.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,069 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    t The more pragmatic solution is to force people to accept conditions, but then that would be facism, and people think that's bad.

    Are you saying fascism is good? Because for the life of me I cannot find a fascist government that was anything but horrible to its people.
    This is offensive.
  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,606
    Raz0r wrote: »
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    t The more pragmatic solution is to force people to accept conditions, but then that would be facism, and people think that's bad.

    Are you saying fascism is good? Because for the life of me I cannot find a fascist government that was anything but horrible to its people.

    a lot of people who are right of center are starting to accept fascism. not german/nazi style but rather italian style fascism.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,069 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The PFR was an absolute disaster for Italy, though. It brought them to the losing side of a war, inflamed racial strife (I find this hilarious seeing as how Mussolini sided with a man who believed the Aryan race was the best race on the planet), dude persecuted Jews (surprise surprise), and, I think this is the most important thing to keep in mind, fascism does not really believe in private ownership, as Italy had moved several key industries under the states' hands.

    But whatever, I guess people will take from history what they want.
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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,606
    edited May 9
    Raz0r wrote: »
    The PFR was an absolute disaster for Italy, though. It brought them to the losing side of a war, inflamed racial strife (I find this hilarious seeing as how Mussolini sided with a man who believed the Aryan race was the best race on the planet), dude persecuted Jews (surprise surprise), and, I think this is the most important thing to keep in mind, fascism does not really believe in private ownership, as Italy had moved several key industries under the states' hands.

    But whatever, I guess people will take from history what they want.

    Right wingers aren't really interested in facts, rather they will support anything that promotes the idea of authoritarianism(this explains their obsession with redefining political terms to fit their narrative). Capitalism is just decentralized authoritarianism in that the land owner might as well be a dictator. they're just into the idea of a strong leader type, which is what Trump is supposed to be, even though he's actually a pansy ass spoiled rich boy.

    Its been widely known for some time that capitalism often turns into fascism.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,069 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Meh, Capitalism is fine if it's given a framework. Without regulation it just turns into Lazies-Faire capitalism and we've seen what a disaster that was.

    There's still land in the US, this country is massive, but what's fucking it over is that we can't really spread that wealth out right now. You can buy a plot of land in Detroit for pennies on the dollar, but that same sized land in Boston is going to run you a few million. Gotta learn how to spread that shit so everyone gets a taste and states aren't left in deficits, imo.
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  • Raz0rRaz0r Did you really just write that? Joined: Posts: 24,069 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Raz0r wrote: »
    The PFR was an absolute disaster for Italy, though. It brought them to the losing side of a war, inflamed racial strife (I find this hilarious seeing as how Mussolini sided with a man who believed the Aryan race was the best race on the planet), dude persecuted Jews (surprise surprise), and, I think this is the most important thing to keep in mind, fascism does not really believe in private ownership, as Italy had moved several key industries under the states' hands.

    But whatever, I guess people will take from history what they want.

    Right wingers aren't really interested in facts, rather they will support anything that promotes the idea of authoritarianism(this explains their obsession with redefining political terms to fit their narrative). Capitalism is just decentralized authoritarianism in that the land owner might as well be a dictator. they're just into the idea of a strong leader type, which is what Trump is supposed to be, even though he's actually a pansy ass spoiled rich boy.

    Its been widely known for some time that capitalism often turns into fascism.

    This is quite possibly the dumbest shit I have ever read on this website.

    In a sense he's correct, but it's a specific as fuck sense. As in, the plutocrats have taken all the resources for themselves leaving a massive underclass that can't earn bread for shit. That CAN be a breeding ground for fascism to rise, but it's nonsensical to believe that it will always lead down that road.
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    Jion_Wansu wrote: »

    Trump needs to talk to Kim. Nuclear war won't benefit North Korea nor the countries near it.

    Trump also needs to get rid of George Soros and Salman of Saudi Arabia who are financially supporting destabilization and terrorism world wide and I have been warning you guys for years.
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    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »

    Trump needs to talk to Kim. Nuclear war won't benefit North Korea nor the countries near it.

    Is it a fact that N.K. even has nuclear weapons? All I hear is them TRYING to get it, not that they actually have any at their disposal.

    Still, I would say Trump needs to act a bit more rational. Un is way more off the hinges than Trump is even on his worse day, so he has to tread lightly because I wouldn't put it past Pyongyang to just launch everything it has at Seoul. I know they have the air defense now but that doesn't catch everything. Just look at the one we deployed in Israel. Just a few of those rockets hitting Seoul would cause a massive amount of casualties.
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    Raz0r wrote: »
    Meh, Capitalism is fine if it's given a framework. Without regulation it just turns into Lazies-Faire capitalism and we've seen what a disaster that was.

    There's still land in the US, this country is massive, but what's fucking it over is that we can't really spread that wealth out right now. You can buy a plot of land in Detroit for pennies on the dollar, but that same sized land in Boston is going to run you a few million. Gotta learn how to spread that shit so everyone gets a taste and states aren't left in deficits, imo.

    One of the key problems with capitalism is the wealth gap. Even as far back as Aristotle, people knew that the poor would be obsessed with taking from the rich, and the rich would be obsessed with protecting their wealth at any cost. this essentially leads to a class conflict and creates a system of disharmony.

    This is also something Marx noticed as well, as he characterized much of European history as class conflicts.btw, for the slow people here, referencing marx is not me advocating marxism. he was a good sociologist, and one can look at his contributions there and not be in favor of everything he says

    So, a middle path can be taken, extreme wealth is bad, poverty is bad because its more unstable than it needs to be. egalitarianism, or even "close to-egalitarianism" would serve humanity better
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    Raz0r wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »

    Trump needs to talk to Kim. Nuclear war won't benefit North Korea nor the countries near it.

    Is it a fact that N.K. even has nuclear weapons? All I hear is them TRYING to get it, not that they actually have any at their disposal.

    Still, I would say Trump needs to act a bit more rational. Un is way more off the hinges than Trump is even on his worse day, so he has to tread lightly because I wouldn't put it past Pyongyang to just launch everything it has at Seoul. I know they have the air defense now but that doesn't catch everything. Just look at the one we deployed in Israel. Just a few of those rockets hitting Seoul would cause a massive amount of casualties.

    considering how frequently the DPNK seems to have mishaps during missile testing, I vehemently doubt the idea that they have access to nuclear weapons
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »

    Trump needs to talk to Kim. Nuclear war won't benefit North Korea nor the countries near it.

    Trump also needs to get rid of George Soros and Salman of Saudi Arabia who are financially supporting destabilization and terrorism world wide and I have been warning you guys for years.

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    Raz0r wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »

    Trump needs to talk to Kim. Nuclear war won't benefit North Korea nor the countries near it.

    Is it a fact that N.K. even has nuclear weapons? All I hear is them TRYING to get it, not that they actually have any at their disposal.

    Still, I would say Trump needs to act a bit more rational. Un is way more off the hinges than Trump is even on his worse day, so he has to tread lightly because I wouldn't put it past Pyongyang to just launch everything it has at Seoul. I know they have the air defense now but that doesn't catch everything. Just look at the one we deployed in Israel. Just a few of those rockets hitting Seoul would cause a massive amount of casualties.

    I doubt NK could accurately land something in the US but the real question is that if they test something and lets say something happens in Japan and many people in Japan die. Lets say Japan counters. Will China back up North Korea? Do you think the US would ignore the situation?

    Obviously this is a volatile situation and it shouldn't be something a single person does on their own. I would hope Trump has someone cautious at back like Pence.
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    I honestly don't think they'd even try for Japan when Seoul is about 35 miles away. The farther the target the more time missiles can be shot down. South Korea is also an American ally and we would do something if either was attacked. China would prob just have to hold that.
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    Most egalitarian ideas don't really try to say everyone produces equally or that everyone should just be given free money. Some Leninists probably believe that but they aren't really taken seriously by anyone, left or right.

    most egalitarian systems would really have a redefinition of wealth, or at least have land reform. So smaller collectives could determine their own way. If some people want to do the absolute minimum, but they grow their own food or contribute in some way to keep themselves afloat, so be it.

    the way the Spanish anarchists handled this situation is that they required everyone to work 40 hrs a week. if you did that, you had access to everything society had to offer such as health services and all that.

    not even capitalism is a meritocracy as the rich arguably do less work than the middle and working class. making money off of interest rates isnt exactly productive work
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    Raz0r wrote: »
    I honestly don't think they'd even try for Japan when Seoul is about 35 miles away. The farther the target the more time missiles can be shot down. South Korea is also an American ally and we would do something if either was attacked. China would prob just have to hold that.
    Reread my post.

    I didn't say intentional attack on Japan, I used the word test:
    if they test something and lets say something happens in Japan

    They are conducting tests and I'm saying what if something goes wrong.


    That's why a lot of countries are worried about the recent tests.
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    The biggest problem with China entering the war is it would pull Russia in as well, as an ally and a friend. And you know if Russia enters the war then it's GG for literally everybody in the world

    I personally believe we won't see a direct and open confrontation between RU and US, both countries, and both Putin and Trump, understand how unreasonable would that be and what it would result in, for their countries and the world in general

    The only way a conflict like that would occur is through a third party, a major player.
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    If they test and that shit hits Japan, there will probably be a mild show of force. I don't see anyone just running in there and taking over.
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    t The more pragmatic solution is to force people to accept conditions, but then that would be facism, and people think that's bad.

    Are you saying fascism is good? Because for the life of me I cannot find a fascist government that was anything but horrible to its people.

    No im not saying that because ultimately freedom is more important, even if it leads to ruin (which it is). Also, republican styled systems are far more effective over the long twrm because it allows competing groups to keep other groups in check, and allows for people to offer new ideas that might be better suited for different times. However, this only works provided all competing parties value citezenship and their country.

    What im saying is that fascist style regimes that force people to work for some commin good in times of stress are thr nost pragmatic solutions. Allowing people ti have a sudden and bigger say through some nonsensical social democracy (ultimately a lite and alternative variation of communism) when services are collectivized is not pragmatic. There are too many issues in the states to allow such a nition, and there are far too many outliers with real influence that have no real vested values that align with the fundementals of american philosophy. In order for his system to work, you need a homogenous society that already accepts aome common goals and works fpr anuniversally acceptes common good, otherwise you live under a fuedalship of the majority.

    Fdr incorporated elements of fascism, hitler went full fascist and moved the economy forward when everybody else was stagnating, roman republic survived as lonf as it did in the early days because pragmatism was more important than the notions of the citizen. If his argument is predicated on pragmatism, then his solution isnt a good one sinve thered be too many issues blocking any "progress" due to american society being so pluralistic. Facism on the other hand doeant care about that and forces peoples hand. However, extended periods of fascism do not make good governance because the collecting of power by buerocrats is only stable for a short period of time, and is only effevtive at jump starting a failing state (provided the state had honest intentions of moving the state forward)

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    Raz0r wrote: »
    Meh, Capitalism is fine if it's given a framework. Without regulation it just turns into Lazies-Faire capitalism and we've seen what a disaster that was.

    There's still land in the US, this country is massive, but what's fucking it over is that we can't really spread that wealth out right now. You can buy a plot of land in Detroit for pennies on the dollar, but that same sized land in Boston is going to run you a few million. Gotta learn how to spread that shit so everyone gets a taste and states aren't left in deficits, imo.

    One of the key problems with capitalism is the wealth gap. Even as far back as Aristotle, people knew that the poor would be obsessed with taking from the rich, and the rich would be obsessed with protecting their wealth at any cost. this essentially leads to a class conflict and creates a system of disharmony.

    This is also something Marx noticed as well, as he characterized much of European history as class conflicts.btw, for the slow people here, referencing marx is not me advocating marxism. he was a good sociologist, and one can look at his contributions there and not be in favor of everything he says

    So, a middle path can be taken, extreme wealth is bad, poverty is bad because its more unstable than it needs to be. egalitarianism, or even "close to-egalitarianism" would serve humanity better

    lol, Marx. The dude that lived with no job (Newspaper editor at best.) and had other people support him while he sat around and thought.
    (Given cash by his buddy and wife whored around to meet ends meet. The original cuck)

    Capitalism is ultimate form of freedom that allows an individual from any part of life to crave out their own future with their own intellect, talents or hard work.
    Realistically, the biggest flaw to Capitalism would be circulation of money and how its worked out. Ideally, you'd want more money flowing into communities or countries then out.
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    Raz0r wrote: »
    Meh, Capitalism is fine if it's given a framework. Without regulation it just turns into Lazies-Faire capitalism and we've seen what a disaster that was.

    There's still land in the US, this country is massive, but what's fucking it over is that we can't really spread that wealth out right now. You can buy a plot of land in Detroit for pennies on the dollar, but that same sized land in Boston is going to run you a few million. Gotta learn how to spread that shit so everyone gets a taste and states aren't left in deficits, imo.

    One of the key problems with capitalism is the wealth gap. Even as far back as Aristotle, people knew that the poor would be obsessed with taking from the rich, and the rich would be obsessed with protecting their wealth at any cost. this essentially leads to a class conflict and creates a system of disharmony.

    This is also something Marx noticed as well, as he characterized much of European history as class conflicts.btw, for the slow people here, referencing marx is not me advocating marxism. he was a good sociologist, and one can look at his contributions there and not be in favor of everything he says

    So, a middle path can be taken, extreme wealth is bad, poverty is bad because its more unstable than it needs to be. egalitarianism, or even "close to-egalitarianism" would serve humanity better

    lol, Marx. The dude that lived with no job (Newspaper editor at best.) and had other people support him while he sat around and thought.
    (Given cash by his buddy and wife whored around to meet ends meet. The original cuck)

    Capitalism is ultimate form of freedom that allows an individual from any part of life to crave out their own future with their own intellect, talents or hard work.
    Realistically, the biggest flaw to Capitalism would be circulation of money and how its worked out. Ideally, you'd want more money flowing into communities or countries then out.

    ad hominem. nice distraction from points marx made.

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    Ideally, I'd rather give money to people to not be poor when displaced from their job than concentrated into about 500 people.
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    Ideally, I'd rather give money to people to not be poor when displaced from their job than concentrated into about 500 people.

    Tbh I don't even reckon the charitable thing needs to come into it, unless your in a very well-paid job and have loads of money saved for a rainy day, you never know when you might find yourself needing benefits yourself.

    The only thing I don't like is the abuse of it, I was unemployed for a while between getting out of college and into my first job and was sent on a job hunting course to keep my benefits, a while after I got my first job (Full time salt factory work) I met one of the guys I had been on the course with, fucker was still unemployed and was somehow managing to make more money sitting on his ass pretending to apply for jobs than I was working full time.

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    Abuse is always going to be a problem. It happens in everything that people deem free. Still, unless it's a really big problem (I'm talking about 10% of recipients being fraudulent) I don't think it's right to take the food out of a mouth who actually needs it.
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    Raz0r wrote: »
    Abuse is always going to be a problem. It happens in everything that people deem free. Still, unless it's a really big problem (I'm talking about 10% of recipients being fraudulent) I don't think it's right to take the food out of a mouth who actually needs it.

    what you are doing is creating an underclass with free reign to continue existing with no restrictions.

    If you are going to take wealth from 500 people and give it to people who need to eat, you're gonna need to tell those needy people that they don't need kids and can't have them, immigration is going to have to stop.

    How far are you willing to go to prevent abuse?
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    pedoviejo wrote: »
    If you are going to take wealth from 500 people

    What if you are trying to take from someone that is already struggling to survive?

    What if you work two full time jobs over 80 hours per week, should someone who isn't working at all be provided the same type of housing as you?
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    ElderGOD wrote: »
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    If you are going to take wealth from 500 people

    What if you are trying to take from someone that is already struggling to survive?

    What if you work two full time jobs over 80 hours per week, should someone who isn't working at all be provided the same type of housing as you?

    well you need to give up some money becasue otherwise these people will starve!
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    pedoviejo wrote: »
    ElderGOD wrote: »
    pedoviejo wrote: »
    If you are going to take wealth from 500 people

    What if you are trying to take from someone that is already struggling to survive?

    What if you work two full time jobs over 80 hours per week, should someone who isn't working at all be provided the same type of housing as you?

    well you need to give up some money becasue otherwise these people will starve!

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    https://www.therebel.media/save_tommy

    And people want to ve nore like these loser european queers.

    I am looking at this case and I have to say

    WHAT THE FUCK?
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