THE Combo Video thread (New Releases + Commentary)

Maj

UPDATE - 09.11.2007

SRK now has its very own Video Gallery forum. Instead of everyone starting new threads in FGD whenever they have a video to announce, there's now an entire forum dedicated to premiering and discussing vids. As such, the FGD mods are no longer going to allow people to create video threads in the Fighting Game Discussion forum. However, if you would like a little extra exposure for your project, feel free to announce it in this thread in addition to announcing it in the video forum.

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I don't spend as much time finding/watching fighting game videos as i did a couple of years ago, but i still find good stuff now and then. Some of it deserves some discussion so i figured i'd start a thread. If you find something cool that hasn't been posted yet, don't be shy - especially if it's CvS2.

Never ever direct link to multimedia. If it's a foreign language site and the link isn't clearly visible, just provide a link to the homepage and describe how to find the video link. It's just common courtesy.

So to start things off ... Zerokoubou just released Vol 6 - a combo video for SFA1.
homepage: http://page.freett.com/zerokoubou/index.htm
movie page: http://page.freett.com/zerokoubou/movie.htm

commentary:
There is so much crazy shit going on in this vid! At the end of the first combo, he actually manages to do two lvl3 supers against Bison, i think by doing them at the same time so that both start up before the super meter cost is taken away. James Chen did something similar with a 2-hit SFA3 Rolento/Blanka combo using the startup on Blanka's watermelon super.
The Bison combos in this video are absolutely insane. Of course the one at 1:53 rocks (where he does four fireballs in one combo) but the one at 2:23 is even more crazy because he somehow gets j.HK to hit TWICE and then does the same thing with c.LP upon landing. Someone please explain that!
The Birdie combo at 2:10 and the Chun Li combo immediately after it are kinda cool because he does an attack facing the wrong direction and when he chain cancels it, the following attack is also facing the wrong direction. There were a couple of CFJ combos done by kysg where he does the same thing. Cool idea.
What's going on with all the Sodom combos at the end? If i had to guess, i would say that Sodom's Tengu Walking (or whatever it's called) resets the juggle count which allows for otherwise illegal extra juggle hits. I bet the timing is all sorts of precise though, if it took this long for someone to find it.

koogy

Majestros, I believe the Bison combo vs. Akuma (with the dual hitting j.RH) can be explained due to the game's engine? Prehaps if a fireball hits at the same time as a normal, the game's engine doesn't considered that move to have hit, even though it added to the combo meter and did damage? That would be the only possible explaination I can think of. Also, if you notice, the c.LP does not do two hits on it's own. The fireball hits immediately after it, causing two hits. The combo counter is 5 before the super.

Awesome, awesome video. Does anyone have the music to it? I'd love to check out more from that particular artist.

Unknown

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Maj

homepage/moviepage: http://www.geocities.jp/yukimura_sei/
(match videos at the bottom are new; strategy vids above them are pretty old)

commentary: Check out the last video with the P-Groove player. He parries something from like two character lengths away and then just walks forward and throws the opponent. Pretty entertaining strategy. Doesn't work out so well in the last round, but it's still funny to see him try.

kugler wrote:

Also, if you notice, the c.LP does not do two hits on it's own. The fireball hits immediately after it, causing two hits. The combo counter is 5 before the super.

The combo meter is at 2 hits when Bison lands, so the c.LP has to do two hits. It seems as though the first hit of the j.HK and the first fireball connect at the same time and don't register individually on the combo meter. Then the second j.HK hit connects and the combo meter goes up to 2 hits. Then the first c.LP hit, then the second fireball, then the second c.LP hit. In conclusion, the current explanation is still "wtf??"

NIKO:ONE

Funny how Sagat was almost reverse team destroying. Too much energy theory. That Kyo Sagat one was sick, almost gave me a panic attack.

NKI

Despite the fact that Alpha 1 sucks, that vid is off the hook. Definitely one of the most creative vids in a long, long time. Mad props to Murasaki.

If I get time, I'll look over his transcripts to see if I can explain the Bison/Vega combo, and the Tengu Walking combos.

Also, I just sent an e-mail to him asking if he'd send his other 5 vids to me so I can host them.

Demon Dash

Is the active X control safe for the thread starters link? I hate those things.

Maj

homepage: http://page.freett.com/538/shortmovie/cfj/cfj_short.html
(click on the AFTER HOURS link and check out the hella mysterious screenshots - as far as i know those were never posted as clips so i'm wondering if anyone has 'em)

NKI:
I have most of those zerokoubou videos on a CD somewhere. I have Vol 3, Vol 4, Vol 5 and he recently reposted Vol 1 so i have that too. I'm missing Vol 2 though. If you're gonna host them somewhere, i'd be happy to send them to you. Are you still on Japan time?

Unknown

NKI
The transcripts aren't very descriptive I think.
If I remember right, all it said was simultaneous hit with the fireball, then 2nd hit with j. RH. Don't think they explained how to get that 2nd hit in the transcript. It's just literally a transcript of the moves used, with no real explanation on how stuff was done.

I didn't read the stuff at the top, so it might be there. And I didn't look around the webpage for bugs info either.

?????x2?????J?K-J?K(2??)-??P-???????-??P(2??)Lv3???(6)
LP shot (psycho shot) x2, simultaneous hit j. RH, j. RH (2nd hit, nidanme), cr. MP, shot hits, cr. MP (2nd hit), Lvl 3 Psychocrusher
I think that's right?

Or Ryu's combo on Sodom
?????J?K-?Px7-?KLv2????(4)-Lv1????(2)
backwards(crossup) j. RH, LP x 7, LK -> Lvl 2 Shinkuu (4 hits), Lvl 1 Shinkuu

I'm guessing the bugs are either "known" and listed somewhere else or... For tengu walk, is he supposed to be invincible while doing it? Once he enters the command, does he lose his falling invincibility or something? Allows for more juggles? Never played alpha, so I wouldn't know what to look for.

Maj

WraithCo:
Heh, i guess i was wrong about it being c.LP that hit twice. But the weird thing about the combo was that the j.HK hit simultaneously with the first fireball but the c.MP didn't and it still hit twice. So if the double-hit glitch was caused by simultaneous hits, then the c.MP hitting twice would still be left unexplained. Anyway i guess simultaneous hits don't register separately on the combo meter so that's why the combo meter is only at 2 hits when Bison lands even tho 3 hits ocurred.

NKI

WraithCo: Oh, I see. I hadn't even looked at the transcripts yet (I just saw that he had them on the site), but yeah...that doesn't explain anything at all...

Majestros wrote:

I have most of those zerokoubou videos on a CD somewhere. I have Vol 3, Vol 4, Vol 5 and he recently reposted Vol 1 so i have that too.

Oh really? I didn't see Vol. 1 on his site. Where is it located, and would you be able to send the others to me? I always leave IRC on, so you can send any time.

Are you still on Japan time?

Nah, I moved back to St. Louis just before Evo, so I'm on central time now.

Maj

Can anyone here read/write Japanese? There are a couple of combo video makers that i'd like to get in touch with. Mostly i wanna try to get ahold of their older vids but it would also be nice to be able to ask them some questions about what's going on in their combos.

NKI

Majestros wrote:

Can anyone here read/write Japanese?

At your service...

Maj

Sweet! Can you take a look at a couple of websites for me? I'm not sure how much you care about newer games like CvS2 and CFJ, but i bet you wouldn't turn down kysg combos. CFJ may be pretty shady as a "new" game, but the game engine is basically the same as CvS2. If nothing else, CvS2 has a deep/versatile combo engine.

kysg's cfj clips: http://page.freett.com/538/shortmovie/cfj/cfj_short.html
(most of these were posted on the site except the ones under AFTER HOURS, which i'd like to get somehow)
kysg's forum: http://jbbs.livedoor.jp/movie/5520
(i started a thread on this forum and asked him a bunch of questions, but i only sorta kinda understand the answers ... do you mind going through and translating just that thread? it's like the third thread from the top)

T-7's homepage: http://www.geocities.jp/combo_tarui
T-7's forum: http://bbs2.ardor.jp/?0209/ignition
(i have no clue who this T-7 guy/group is, but he makes the absolute craziest CvS2 combos ever. i'm guessing there is some connection between T-7 and Sai-Rec but unlike Sai-Rec, he speaks no English whatsoever so i haven't had any luck getting any info from/about him. he's made at least three combo DVDs and i'm down to buy all of em (with money lol), but i dont know how/where to ask)

Maj

homepage: http://yun-yan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
movie page: http://yun-yan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/movie.html

commentary:
I'm not sure who these guys are or how old these vids are, but check out video number 23 for some crazy Urien mixups. He does low fierce, EX headbutt, low fierce again and cancels the first hit into Aegis then dashes under and does jump back HK to set up unblockable. I don't know how practical that is but it looks tight.
He also hits with MP fireball so close that he juggles with low fierce afterwards. He uses that to set up an unblockable Aegis and mashes some buttons for a while, then uses a forward dash to push Elena into the Aegis while the combo meter resets. Pretty damn clever. That's the kinda shit you gotta do these days to win over Daigo's fans.

Tantin

Majestros wrote:

homepage: http://yun-yan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/
movie page: http://yun-yan.hp.infoseek.co.jp/movie.html

commentary:
I'm not sure who these guys are or how old these vids are, but check out video number 23 for some crazy Urien mixups. He does low fierce, EX headbutt, low fierce again and cancels the first hit into Aegis then dashes under and does jump back HK to set up unblockable. I don't know how practical that is but it looks tight.
He also hits with MP fireball so close that he juggles with low fierce afterwards. He uses that to set up an unblockable Aegis and mashes some buttons for a while, then uses a forward dash to push Elena into the Aegis while the combo meter resets. Pretty damn clever. That's the kinda shit you gotta do these days to win over Daigo's fans.

I hate to doubt you when my Urien knowledge is a little lacking.. But are you sure those are unblockables? It doesn't look like Urien's hitting Elena the same exact time the reflector is.

FullMetalRoss

The first one had no unblockable but it was still awesome. The second one, I think that may have been unblockable at the end with the crouching fierce. The best thoug was the ex aegis and then use jumping rh to force elena to stand up into the ex aegis to take the chip.

NKI

Majestros wrote:

Sweet! Can you take a look at a couple of websites for me?

As soon as I get time.

I promise.

Maj

Tantin wrote:

I hate to doubt you when my Urien knowledge is a little lacking.. But are you sure those are unblockables? It doesn't look like Urien's hitting Elena the same exact time the reflector is.

I dunno, i am just a Ken scrub when it comes to 3S. That first one where the j.HK hit Elena wasn't unblockable but if she had blocked it then she would have gotten pushed back into Aegis. Then Urien would have walked up and started mashing buttons and it would eventually become unblockable i think.

KabukiMono:
Using the high Aegis to do a bunch of free jumping attacks is also pretty damn clever, but if the opponent is smart, they'll start blocking high as soon as Urien jumps to get the Aegis to fade away faster.

NKI:
Sweet, thx.

omni

http://www.geocities.jp/shou1592/

If you click on Download 2 (you could click on part 1 also...if you are bored) there is a ton of new footage of Bas and Campbell (buktooth) playing hot CvS2 action.

Derek

Maj

homepage: http://nazo.tv/cvss2
crazy chart: http://nazo.tv/cvss2/diagram/index.htm

commentary:
These guys post random match videos. They posted one combo video which has some nice execution stuff but it was mostly just old Sai-Rec combos redone, probably using a programmable controller. Anyway this chart kind of rates the "important" characters against one another. Some of their choices are kind of interesting, especially some of their character/groove choices (no C-Vega).

master akuma

hey Majestros, I know that you love CvS2 and I have a few Gigs in my comp of CvS2 Tournaments, maybe you have already everything that I got or maybe not but if I have some stuff that you dont have yet about CvS2 I can post it (as long theres no legal issues)

and about CvS2: this is a fight from the SBO2 qualifications showing a crazy Raiden player:

http://rapidshare.de/files/8202416/CvS2_-_SBO2_Qualifiers_-_Desora_vs_Chari.zip.html

To download from rapidshare click on "free" then scroll down to: "Download-Ticket reserved"

Maj

master akuma wrote:

hey Majestros, I know that you love CvS2 and I have a few Gigs in my comp of CvS2 Tournaments, maybe you have already everything that I got or maybe not but if I have some stuff that you dont have yet about CvS2 I can post it (as long theres no legal issues)

I really really don't want to get into another bootleg "legality" debate in this thread so just use your judgement on what is and what isn't appropriate. If a lot of people complain, you can always apologize and take it down.

Also, i'm a lot more interested in CvS2 combo/glitch videos than match videos, but if anyone has some really good matches with crazy combos/glitches going on, feel free to post those. Just make sure you provide a comment that explains what you found interesting about the video.

Maj

homepage: http://www.geocities.jp/hugako/index.html
movie page: http://www.geocities.jp/hugako/gamemovie.html

commentary:
Alpha 2 matches!! ... sorta kinda almost. It's actually Zero 2 Alpha, but we'll take what we can get. The Rose player keeps doing lvl1 Friends and then doing 10% damage with that drill thing. I know it's obvious but i'm commenting on it anyway cuz that's funny to me.

Clear Sky

^No wonder why that super is beast. 10% off chip!

LOL, japanese guy with an Xbox. The bike game is Downhill Domination.

Maj

CFJ Karin corner crossup craziness
homepage: http://web1.nazca.co.jp/bearso/
(click on third link in top row - the one that starts with CFJ)

commentary:
Shows a couple of corner crossup tricks during CC, using Karin's rekka ken move as a setup. That last one is the most deceptive one, and also the most confusing because it pushes them all the way into the corner and she still gets the crossup. Seems like CFJ has more corner problems than CvS2.

Maj

Daigo HSF matches
homepage: http://members2.jcom.home.ne.jp/monmon999/
movie page: http://members2.jcom.home.ne.jp/monmon999/france.html
(fair warning: the HSF files are in rm format)

commentary:
Daigo beats Frionel's Balrog with Ryu and then switches to Fei Long. He probably wasn't allowed to do that but i'm sure nobody cared because it was Daigo. And i'm sure Frionel didn't care because he just got beat perfect by Ryu. Bas did the same sort of thing at (i think it was) B5. He beat GQ's V-Sodom with V-Akuma and then GQ switched to V-Rolento so Bas switched to V-Cody. For those of you who don't go to tournaments, you're only supposed to switch characters when you lose. Bas is cheap!
Anyway, Daigo does the same thing again in the second vid, switching from Balrog to DeeJay. In the third vid at 0:27, Daigo somehow manages to block high against Balrog's c.MK after a knockdown. Someone explain that please. When he wins, he switches to Ken. Wins again, switches to Gief!

NKI

Majestros wrote:

In the third vid at 0:27, Daigo somehow manages to block high against Balrog's c.MK after a knockdown. Someone explain that please.

There is a strange quirk in old school SF where you can block low attacks while standing, and also you can block overhead attacks while holding D/B (but your character won't duck). You simply need to switch your blocking stance at the last possible second. In that vid, Daigo was duck blocking, the opponent pushed the button for cr.Forward, and then just before it hit, Daigo switched to stand blocking. Because he blocked an attack during that transition between ducking and standing, it gives him the standing animation with ducking properties.

ParryAll

Those Zero 2 Alpha matches were on the Saturn version.

You can tell because Gief's walking backwards animation is missing, and he has his cape animation opening so that rules out PS1 version.

Just thought I'd point that out cause I'm nerdy like that.

Maj

Random Japanese SFA3 matches
homepage: http://www.arcade.from.tv/zero/

commentary:
Seems to be the final four of a small tournament. The players have been in random a-cho and VIP vids before. That V-Karin infinite is cheap. It's amazing that the A-Gen player manages to survive, surrounded by top tier V-Ism characters all the time. But he pulls out some clutch combos, manages to escape V-Karin's infinite, and his counter/escape for crossups seems to work pretty damn well.

Nos99

That's DARK. His Gen is a monster. Crazyiest Gen I've ever seen.

This thread is awesome.. informative, and if anything for the video links. :)

Thanks guys.

Unknown

that gen was awesome its good seeing some a3 without v-akuma.

_MJ_#R

thats DARK (a-gen) from v.i.p zero3 site and he does rock.

Maj

Has anyone been having trouble with SRK's Rep system? When i click the simley face thing, it just scrolls up to the top of the page like i just clicked on a HTML anchor and does nothing. An "Error on Page" notice appears in the browser status bar.

_MJ_#R: What does that trophy thing next to your name mean?

Unknown

Trophy = Champion in a game in the SRK arcade.

FullMetalRoss

Thanks alot Maj for all the cool videos the daigo HSF ones were awesome. I can't believe he did the cr.fierce to super! so hard! I can never do that in a match.

As for the trophy thing yeah thats what it is. But it's dumb because if you have negative rep you can't play. So if someone decides to be an ass and neg you for something stupid. You can't play. (sad)

Maj

Bas CvS2 Matches
homepage: http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~bas/d44.htm
movie page: http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~bas/movi.htm

commentary:
At 0:53 in the third vid, A-Sakura connects with a divekick as Blanka is getting up, then she jumps forward and counters Blanka's KKK backhop with j.HK midscreen. It's not that crazy but a lot of Blanka players mash on that when they're in trouble so it's good to know you have that available. Anyway if the Blanka player hadn't done it, she would have gone for j.MK crossup instead. It's just cool because there's normally very little you can do to discourage Blanka from using that get-out-of-jail-free card midscreen.

SF2:WW No Damage Speedruns by ShadoeX & A1Major
homepage: http://www.persona-world.com
movie page: http://www.persona-world.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8

commentary:
Although these vids are probably captured on emulator, it doesn't look like they used any tools to do them. It's not like they completed the game in the absolute fastest time possible - they just played smart and didn't get hit. I mean, check out how long he takes to kill Honda with Guile. That's all AI exploits and anyone can figure out how to manipulate cpu characters with some testing.
In the Guile run, he just walks forward full screen and throws Ryu. Pretty gutsy. I also like the air throws against Ken because air throws are cool. Damn, that Flash Kick against Vega's wall dive does like 40% damage. Guile's whole strategy against cpu Vega is pretty cool though, mostly just using j.HK to randomly hit Vega for no good reason. Haha check out the foreground tree in Sagat's stage!
It's pretty funny seeing Ryu's DP do 50% damage against Dhalsim and still not knock down. Ryu vs Guile makes Guile look retarded. At 9:25 i think Ryu's fireball hits two barrels at once. That tree on Sagat's stage is still funny. It's also funny seeing M.Bison trying to punish a blocked DP with Psycho Crusher considering that move had like 5 minute start-up in WW.
Somebody watch the Zangief vid and give us some comments if anything cool happened.

Maj

About five days passed between the last two updates because i couldn't find anything new or exciting. Some days are just slow. It wasn't me neglecting this thread or slacking off if that's what you were thinking. In fact i don't appreciate your tone at all. Why back in my day, broadband connections were powered by pedaling on a stationary bicycle. You kids these days have it easy.

_MJ_#R

i am Spy Hunter champ :]

Maj

Heh, well i don't mean zero new stuff was released. I watched a lot of random stuff the last few days, but nothing seemed all that interesting to me. Then again, i can only provide decent commentary for Capcom fighting games.

For instance, i'd be really interested in reading some footnotes on KoF matches. I gotta admit that i have no idea how to tell a good match from a mediocre match in SNK games, since most of it just looks like random hopping around to me. The same goes for combos, because SNK games tend to have assists and 90 kinds of cancels. It's so easy to do extended combos that it can be difficult to tell the simple ones from the advanced ones. Watching KoF combos in the later half of the series is like watching CvS2 EX-Groove combo videos - it's easy to get 89789723434 hits without any creativity at all.

So those of you that are KoF experts, VF experts, GG experts, and so on ... feel free to post your thoughts in this thread whenever you happen to see a really good video.

Maj

SFA Sagat combo clip
homepage: http://dsgs.kofunion.net
movie page: http://dsgs.kofunion.net/note.html

commentary:
These guys do some pretty advanced combos for all sorts of random emulated games. If i had to guess, i'd say they use random emulator tools to pull off some of the more complicated setups, but that's not exactly a rarity these days. The Sagat combo is cool because he combos after the lvl2 Tiger Cannon without using an interrupt setup.
Almost all of the combos on this website are good, but it takes forever to get them. Usually it doesn't connect and you have to try 9879823434 times to get each download started.

FullMetalRoss

Okay so thanks again majestros for the vids. I loved the ryu lvl 8 clip specifically for that nonsense againts ai guile where you whiff a dp to get him ot flash kick and then punish. hahaha. The zangief vid didn't have anything to interesting I saw, Except for the awesome lariat against the barrels. OH and yes that tree is awesome.

JedahsMinistry

SSZero and Kabuki Klash? Nice find w/ the kofunion site.
Try using something like FlashGet or a regular FTP program (not IE's) to download from there. Most of them auto-retry so it's less of a fuss.

Maj

Valle vs Daigo SFA3 Matches (First USA vs Japan event)
homepage: http://members2.jcom.home.ne.jp/monmon999/index.html
movie page: http://www.geocities.co.jp/xtfwc909/zero3.html
(scroll down to the bottom and download the three ~30.8mb rmvb files)

commentary:
I've seen some crazy edited version of these matches but i'm not sure if the complete uncut versions were ever posted before. They are pretty intense matches even though this was the early days of Alpha 3 before crouch cancel infinites became the only way to play. For those of you unfamiliar with random SF scene history, Japan held an A3 tournament to decide who would fly out to America to represent Japan. The final match was Daigo vs Ohnuki, both playing V-Akuma and Daigo won. Back then nobody had seen what V-Akuma was capable of doing. Daigo flew out here and watched the entire US A3 nationals tournament that was supposed to decide who he was gonna play. So the whole tournament Valle played X-Rolento and beat everyone down except he couldn't beat Graham Wolfe's A-Dhalsim in the finals. He was forced to use his secret bidness character V-Ryu (that him and Choi developed together) to beat Graham with Daigo standing right behind them watching everything. Anyway Valle wins the tournament and gets to face off against Daigo.
The format winds up being three out of five rounds, two out of three matches. So Valle wins the first match and then wins two rounds of the second match, then Daigo pulls off this crazy comeback and wins three rounds in a row to win the second match. Daigo goes on to win the third match, and they are both sitting there waiting to start the next match when the announcer dude walks in the middle and declares Daigo the winner. You can see Valle in the background looking confused as all hell, talking to the people around him and to the announcer. Turns out he was told that it was gonna be three out of five matches. Hella fair! Still, Valle came within one round of winning the first US vs Japan event.
The coolest thing about all this is that after this event, Valle drops V-Ryu and starts playing V-Akuma in local tournaments. And Daigo goes back to Japan and drops V-Akuma to start playing V-Ryu. A bunch of years later during another meeting with Japanese players, Ohnuki was talking about how they saw the footage when the Japanese crew returned. He said that if he had gone instead of Daigo he thinks he would have lost to Valle. Goes to show you that Ohnuki is a cool kid (who just happens to have a rivalry with Daigo).
By the way, i wasn't around back then so i have no idea now i know all this shit. Guess i just hung around the right people.

edit: I just used an online translator on the filenames for those rmvb clips and and it looks like it was labeled by a WWF announcer. Check it out:
"Crash! Japan-U.S. fighting game king ? super battle tournament tour ? Japan-U.S. confrontation - 1"

thedude.com

Majestros :

Daigo was like ...15-16 years OLD !@#@#

what a memorable experience

Unknown

Woah, the 100+ mb video right above those 3 handheld cam vids shows a bit of the Japanese side of their A3 Nationals. There's hella A-Bisons all over the place (no, not THAT A-Groove Dictator, it's A-Ism Dictator), which makes me wonder why he was good back then before the V-Ism craze started...

P.S. Hot damn, didn't know Chikyuu = GQ Sodom and he tied for 3rd in Japanese Nationals (after getting knocked out by Nuki...).

FullMetalRoss

good find man! awesome!

NIKO:ONE

I can't find the alpha 3 matches. But i did find a link to a lot of jp webcams and someone drew a picture like this:
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If anyone could tell me how to find the file, please do. The daigo vs Valle one. Thanks.

Maj

So i was talking to omni and waterb0y the other day and they kicked down some extra random trivia. Here is what they said almost word for word.

For those of you who don't know, Graham Wolfe was this crazy good Dhalsim player back in the day. One of the godfathers - back when you could pick a character and be known for figuring him out unlike today. Every other Dhalsim player at the time lost to Rolento no matter what. So Graham holed up in his apartment for like a month after buying an A3 board and played NOTHING but Dhalsim. He was the first Dhalsim player to actually beat Rolento, even forcing Valle to play V-Ryu. After the Daigo vs Valle match, there was an exhibition where Daigo played A-Guy and beat down all the famous American players. Graham was the only player there who beat Daigo's A-Guy.

Another tidbit of info to add to the story ... That ghetto ass V-Ryu combo that Valle does - in Jpn they call that, "the alex combo." I remember Viscant saying that Valle figured out 2987398723434 different confusion VC setups playing at SHGL because he kept fucking up the combo VC and had to improvise. (Btw, "confusion VC" means all resets as opposed to guaranteed combo VC's.)

Also after that matchup - Daigo played V-Ryu, Valle played V-Akuma and Nuki went to play V-Sakura. Everyone switched chars. Apparently Nuki played her before the big tournament and couldn't win, so he sold out and played V-Akuma. Then after tourney, losing to Daigo, he said fuck it and went back to V-Sak. Obviously he figured out some crazy shit with her because V-Sakura became a top tier character in Alpha 3 for a long long time.

Niko: Click on movie page link and scroll down like it says in my post.

Buttermaker

Majestros wrote:

He was the first Dhalsim player to actually beat Rolento, even forcing Valle to play V-Ryu.

And A-Ryu.

After the Daigo vs Valle match, there was an exhibition where Daigo played A-Guy

And X-Rolento, A-Gen and V-Akuma.

Graham was the only player there who beat Daigo's A-Guy.

He beat Daigo but Daigo used A-Gen.

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Good Thread. Tnx for the links Maj.