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  • SF-Zero2SF-Zero2 Pronounced AlphaZero Joined: Posts: 1,373

    Adult content isn't something you can turn on and off like the options menu in Mortal Kombat. A lot of movies use the R-rating that way, but others aren't as shallow. I dunno if Alien 1 would have been the metaphor for rape/aggression it ended up being, if studios were pushing Ridley for a general audience-friendly theatrical release.

    Yeah, but they don't rate movies based on metaphors, they base on the holy trinity of sex violence language. Alien 1 could largely pass for PG13 these days, outside of the chestburster scene. Even Ash's breakdown would seem like tame stuff nowadays. I'm not saying Scott's gonna film a PG13 movie and add stuff to make it an R like AVP with it's added CG bloodspatters. Scott will shoot however he shoots, but I won't be bothered if the theatrical is PG13, because Scott gets final cut on all his DVDs(outside of Gladiator and Black Hawk Down anyways). I dunno, I don't really digest a movie when seeing it in the theater, I wait for the DVDs to really study them.

    EDIT:The trailer has me psyched though.
  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    Sexually-oriented violence= R from the MPAA. By today's standards Ash scene would have to go, along with the chest-burst. Either way, while avoiding R is one concern, the studio's main concern would be to appeal to general audiences, and get their money back.

    Any good director can work with a handicap, sure. But Alien is one of the movies where Ridley faced the least studio pressure. Maybe that's why 30+ years later Alien is considered a classic and still relevant today. And it didn't need 20 different directors' cuts to reach that status.
  • EvilSamuraiEvilSamurai Joined: Posts: 2,668
    Did studio pressure force him to cast Orlando Bloom as the main character in Kingdom of Heaven? I know he fought off execs who wanted him to insert random sex scenes into Gladiator.
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    Did studio pressure force him to cast Orlando Bloom as the main character in Kingdom of Heaven? I know he fought off execs who wanted him to insert random sex scenes into Gladiator.

    that explains the scene in 300, not that I was complaining

    trailer looks great even on shitcam
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    So wait: the best ver. of Alien 3 is the Director's cut/extended ver.? I've been avoiding watching Alien 3 since I've heard it wasn't very good, but wouldn't mind checking out this extended ver.
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    Thanks I've read about Alien 3 months ago, but it wouldn't hurt to read it again to see if I've forgotten anything ^_^;
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  • maxxmaxx DIO THE DESTROYER Joined: Posts: 36,033 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I highly recommend watching the director's cut. Original cinema release was complete fucked over by movie execs

    Worth reading - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3
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    yeah Alien 3 had a hell of a time being made, and most people agree they dunno why. You took the original amazing movie, then James Cameron makes a fucking badass sequel that was BETTER than the original, and then the third just shit the bed.

    I 100% agree that killing off everybody else but Ripley from the previous film was a slap in the face to fans of the series.
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  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    I know he fought off execs who wanted him to insert random sex scenes into Gladiator.
    I thought that was Kingdom of Heaven (Eva Green)

    But yeah every single thing about that character was horrible, not just Bloom's mis-casting.
  • Dirt Mc GirtDirt Mc Girt OLD DIRTY Joined: Posts: 1,089
    alien and aliens are pretty overrated though. so many lame plot devices

    e.g. the cat in one and the kid in two who assumed the same exact role as the cat

  • HeaTHeaT mindgames Joined: Posts: 3,245 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    i dont know why there is so much hate for alien 3, i actually thought it was quite good. not better than 1 and 2, but still good and not as bad as everyone complains about. i mean it is fincher who directed it, that doesnt give the movie a free pass but the dude knows what he is doing and it shows.

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  • SF-Zero2SF-Zero2 Pronounced AlphaZero Joined: Posts: 1,373
    I enjoy Alien 3.....it's not without it's problems, but I like it's grim nature, I like how Fincher shot it using so many low angles, and it's great looking movie. Eliot Goldenthal's score has some great moments, and I love the concept of the Alien being "a freight train with teeth". The steadicam Alien POV chase shots were fucking sweet too.
    Hicks and Newt was a slap in the face at first....but it doesn't really bother me that much anymore. In the context of Ripley's character arc, it was a bit more interesting to see her resolved that her fate was going to be intertwined with the aliens to the very end than have her replay her role from Alien and Aliens.
    The absolute main problem I have with the movie is the damn egg on the Sulaco in the opening. The logic part of me can['t stand it. The Director's Cut introduces the Super Face Hugger, but it's never really touched upon, and there's only one shot of it from about twenty feet away. But the concept of an armored face hugger that clings to the Queen's body while she's on the move would have played much better if it had been developed further. Would have made sense, the egg doesn't.

    There's also a handful of effects shots where the transition between the puppet alien and the full size alien don't match at all, particularly the power shot in the medical bay where it walks up to Ripley in full view. Just looked too thin at times.

    I still enjoy the movie every time I watch it though.The documentaries on it were more interesting than the other ones, even though Fox did cut all footage and interviews with Fincher before it was released because he was particularly blunt on camera about the production problems and his animosity with Jon Landau and the Fox brass.
    All the documentaries have titles, "Wreckage and Rape" was changed to "The Making of Alien 3" and the documentary director removed his name from the credits over the Fincher's interviews being cut.

    Man, sorry if I'm rambling, but I'm a serious Alien nut. Best. Monster. Ever.

    Oh, anybody check out Gearbox's latest stuff on the Colonial Marines game? Saw a lengthy vid of it on the XBox Dashboard in the Inside Xbox section. Looks halfway decent.
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    3 gets a lot of hate but not as much as 4
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    I highly recommend watching the director's cut. Original cinema release was complete fucked over by movie execs

    Worth reading - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3

    I spent about 3hrs last night looking for that autopsy scene... damn.
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    The wooden planet concept would've been interesting to see.
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,693
    3 gets a lot of hate but not as much as 4

    I can barely remember 4, I remember the main bad guy from The Crow got killed off really early in the movie and that pissed me off.

    There were a couple of memorable tracks on the Alien 3 OST, Lento being my favourite
  • SF-Zero2SF-Zero2 Pronounced AlphaZero Joined: Posts: 1,373
    Resurrection.......I dunno, I remember reading Joss Whedon's script and thought it had promise, but the final movie.......just had the wrong tone completely. Nothing against Jean Pierre Jeunet, as I like all his other stuff....but he just felt like the wrong choice for it. It pretty much lost me when the guy gets the Alien Kiss in the back of his head and he reaches into his own wound and pulls out brain matter or some shit. Went campy. Didn't care for the Pumpkinhead special appearance either, though the Newborn's eyes still creep me out. The film does have some nice qualities to it, but it just plays so cheeseball during the action scenes, and aside from Ripley, the characters were mostly dead weight. It's more a comic bookish movie, where the first 3 operate more in hard science fiction territory(which Prometheus looks to be returning to).
    I used to blame Whedon for it's failings due to his script, but he's made no secret that he thought the final film was completely the opposite of what he was aiming for and hated it.

    Danny Boyle(28 Days Later, Trainspotting) was at the top of list for directors for Resurrection, but he passed because it was treading too much familiar territory. That would have been an interesting movie.

    EDIT:
    Oh, watch this too: Original Aliens Teaser from '86. Amazing trailer, get hype!
    www.youtube.com/watch?v=fheA6Ua_nNc.
  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 14,886 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I think Alien 4 is easily the worst of the four movies. Nothing in that movie makes sense. I'm not even sure what genius saw the script and thought that it would be a good movie. Movie just makes my brain hurt.

    Prometheus looks to have potential. At least on wiki, it was said that the movie isn't really supposed to be about Xenomorphs and focus on the background of the space jockey race found in the first Alien movie. I don't really think we'll see much, or any, Xenomorphs... which is fine by me.
  • The Furious OneThe Furious One Fluent in 3 languages Engrish, Sarcasm & Profanity Joined: Posts: 20,693
    Prometheus looks to have potential. At least on wiki, it was said that the movie isn't really supposed to be about Xenomorphs and focus on the background of the space jockey race found in the first Alien movie. I don't really think we'll see much, or any, Xenomorphs... which is fine by me.

    Not for me because it means 5 more years till they make another movie :sad:
  • ArsenalArsenal Not even close Joined: Posts: 4,195
    Personally, I don't really need to know about the space jockey's origin and backstory. I enjoy a bit of mystique when it comes to something like Alien.
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    Not for me because it means 5 more years till they make another movie :sad:

    To be honest, I think it's better this way. Alien and Aliens are among my favorite movies ever, but Alien 4, and to a lesser extent, 3, has ruined the franchise. The AvP movies didn't help either. It would be hard to reboot the franchise into the success that the first two movies were. It's possible... but it'd be really hard and would require an immense amount of acting, directing, and writing talent. I don't know if studios are going to want to spend the money or take that risk. Then again... another Resident Evil movie is being made, so I guess anything is possible.
    Personally, I don't really need to know about the space jockey's origin and backstory. I enjoy a bit of mystique when it comes to something like Alien.

    See above paragraph, more or less. I think at this point, Prometheus being about the space jockeys is better than being about xenomorphs.
  • locoghoullocoghoul Fuck Chun Joined: Posts: 3,708
    Confession: I am an AVP nerd. Grew up on theses movies (Love the first 3 Alien and first 2 predator films fyi) so you asked the right person.

    http://www.amazon.com/Aliens-Omnibus-Vol-Mark-Verheiden/dp/1593077270/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1322343919&sr=8-1

    This is really, really good. If you ever wondered what if Fox made a sequel to Aliens that was completely different from the Prison Planet idea in Alien 3, this is something you need to check out. It follows the adventures of Hicks and Newt (later renammed for continuity reasons to Wilks and Billy, seriously) immediately after the events of LV426. Tons of shit happens from a cult that worships the Alien being responsible for the creature spreading throughout the galaxy, Hicks and Newt go back to LV426, I believe they go to the homeworld (I could be wrong, it's been awhile) , encounter the Space Jockey, the company capturing the Alien and trying to weaponize them.

    Great stories, abso-fucking-lutely fucking amazing artwork that blows away most modern comics with some of the best Airbrushed artwork I've ever personally seen in a comic. And gory as hell. If you are a fan of the Alien franchise I would say it's a requirement to read at least the first Omnibus.

    From there I recommend: Aliens Omnibus Volume 3 (there's a story exploring the idea of a King Alien being the result of a genetic experiment, and it has one of the best miniseries Labyrinth), Predator Omnibus Volume 1, and AVP Omnibus Volume 1.

    The Predator comics tended to be on the bad side and a majority of them wrote the Predator as just an evil alien hunter that kills unarmed humans. Total opposite of the bad ass Anti-Hero with a code of honor from the films.

    Just downloaded all the Aliens comics and damn I'm impressed with the quality. I thought the story was gonna be cheesy but it's actually good. I've started with Book One and so far the art has been amazing. Can't believe this is from 20 years ago. Someone needs to adapt this
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    Just downloaded all the Aliens comics and damn I'm impressed with the quality. I thought the story was gonna be cheesy but it's actually good. I've started with Book One and so far the art has been amazing. Can't believe this is from 20 years ago. Someone needs to adapt this

    can you send me a link to the downloads?
  • locoghoullocoghoul Fuck Chun Joined: Posts: 3,708
    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4455198/Alien_Comics_Collection

    There should be enough seeders. If not, holla at me and check the amazon link for chronological reference

    Ninja edit: Trailer taken down :(
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    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4455198/Alien_Comics_Collection

    There should be enough seeders. If not, holla at me and check the amazon link for chronological reference

    Ninja edit: Trailer taken down :(


  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4455198/Alien_Comics_Collection

    There should be enough seeders. If not, holla at me and check the amazon link for chronological reference

    Ninja edit: Trailer taken down :(

    Bittorent has seriously messed up the last 2 pc's i've had. Can you upload volumes 1 & 2?
  • TheDarkPhoenixTheDarkPhoenix BEHOLD! Joined: Posts: 12,425 mod
    Why did I feel like I was watching a metriod trailer.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    Weyland-Yutani is definitely in the film, and the catalyst for everything that follows.

    Michael Fassbinder's David is an android, but he becomes something far more important - the progenitor of the human race.

    The alien is a bioweapon, meant to wipe out humanity.

    The creatures that evolve from humanity are called PROTOFORMS, and one of them evolves into something ALIEN fans will recognize - a STAR BEAST. What the hell is a STAR BEAST?


    It was suggested that this would only turn into an ALIEN prequel in the last moments, but reading the synopsis reveals that what Fassbender said in interviews, that "ALIEN is in the film's DNA" is pretty accurate.

    The plot reads exactly like something that would be a precursor to ALIEN.
    The plot suggests that the Nostromo going to Zeta 2 Reticuli was planned well in advance. I'm not certain where PROMETHEUS and ALIEN fit together in the timeline, but I'd imagine that ALIEN can't be more than a hundred years or so afterwards.

    [ /spoiler]
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    Why did I feel like I was watching a metriod trailer.
    Well Metroid is pretty heavily inspired by Ridley Scott's work on Alien. I'm pretty sure you already know this, i'm just sayin...you know.

    Ever since Taito pointed it out I now want Charlize Theron to play Samus in a Metroid movie. This is probably the closest I'll get tho, and that's good enough for me.
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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster This is how I look like, don't make fun Joined: Posts: 2,423
    yeah, the xenomorph monster is one of the best monsters ever created in film history. i usta get nightmares of that beast when i was a kid. it was "one ugly muther fucker"
    great design though.
    back in college, me and a couple of friends found the art book of the artists who designed the xenomorph. the book showed how the drafts/drawing evolved into the alien we know and love today.

    then there's its shedding of skin, its bee/ant/insect-like society, its parasitic nature in its early state. and the whole cocoon/spider type sequestering of its prey(people).

    most of the best horror movies play on some certain fear we have in real life.
    Alien-getting eaten by a predator & getting parasites
    The Shining-cabin fever
    The Exorcist and Poltergeist-spiritualism, paranormal phenomenon
    The Talented Mr. Ripley-stalking, identity theft
    The Picture of Dorian Grey-180 degree personality transformation, two-faced lying
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    The xenomorph wouldn't be anywhere near as iconic if it weren't for Gigers design.
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  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    Bittorent has seriously messed up the last 2 pc's i've had. Can you upload volumes 1 & 2?
    Hmm which Alien comis in particular are you looking for, I could try and find them for (and PM them to) you.
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    I'll watch this. I thought Alien was pretty meh, to be honest. Aliens is one of my favorite movies. I passed on 3&4.

    Predator is one of my all-time favorites, too. Predator 2 was good, when it came out. I've yet to watch Predators, which I own.

    AvP was abysmal, and the sequel was just as bad. It's funny how each movie failed where the other succeeded.
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  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    Tizoc, I cant quote your post or send you a PM for some reason.

    Can you send me Aliens Omnibus, Vol. 1, 2, 3 and 5?
  • SF-Zero2SF-Zero2 Pronounced AlphaZero Joined: Posts: 1,373
    I'll watch this. I thought Alien was pretty meh, to be honest.

    Seems to be a generational thing.....I tried to get my brother and his girlfriend to watch it and they both were pretty bored and wondering why they didn't show the Alien that much after the CG battles of AVP and stuff. My brother wondered if someone in Hollywood would try remaking it so it was faster paced. I threatened to stab him.

    The slide show Sexperienced put up though.....how awesome it's going to be to see Ridley Scott creating a world instead of doing a modern day/period piece stuff he's been doing for the past 20 years or so.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    That's all down to HR Giger, I remember studying him at school, what a freak :rofl:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H._R._Giger
    http://www.hrgiger.com/

    He even looks scary.
  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 14,886 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I think you need to understand the techniques they used in Alien to appreciate the movie more. The whole point of the movie was to not show much of the alien until close to the very end. It kept it mysterious and left it up to the imagination as to what the creature really looked like. Nothing is scarier than something you can't see or understand. Alien is simply genius.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    Hmm which Alien comis in particular are you looking for, I could try and find them for (and PM them to) you.

    Can you please send me Aliens Omnibus, Vol. 1, 2, 3 and 5? if thats not too much to ask?
  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    I think you need to understand the techniques they used in Alien to appreciate the movie more. The whole point of the movie was to not show much of the alien until close to the very end. It kept it mysterious and left it up to the imagination as to what the creature really looked like. Nothing is scarier than something you can't see or understand. Alien is simply genius.
    30 years of merchandising and offshoots and mediocre-to-horrible sequels makes you lose sight of that.
  • TizocTizoc Joined: Posts: 11,406
    Can you please send me Aliens Omnibus, Vol. 1, 2, 3 and 5? if thats not too much to ask?

    *Cracks fingers*
    Gimme a day or two this'll take a while.
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  • Spirit JuiceSpirit Juice 「HATES EVERYTHING」 Joined: Posts: 14,886 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    30 years of merchandising and offshoots and mediocre-to-horrible sequels makes you lose sight of that.

    True... and it makes me sad that the franchise has fallen off so far from what it originally was.
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    30 years of merchandising and offshoots and mediocre-to-horrible sequels makes you lose sight of that.

    actually it doesnt, it should make you appreciate it even more considering it's actually good. what makes you lose sight is not being inclined to intellectual movie making.

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    Seems to be a generational thing....

    Star Wars is ass :coffee:

    As a kid I thought it was terrible, still don't understand all the fuss and how the hell has Lucas been able to milk it this long :looney:
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    actually it doesnt, it should make you appreciate it even more considering it's actually good. what makes you lose sight is not being inclined to intellectual movie making.

    im outi

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    I think his point is that the latter movies in the franchise (and movies in general, for that matter) have done that to people that are younger. What's funny is that I probably didn't watch Alien for the first time until maybe five years ago (I'm 25 now), but I know how much thought and effort was put into a movie like Alien.
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    I think his point is that the latter movies in the franchise (and movies in general, for that matter) have done that to people that are younger. What's funny is that I probably didn't watch Alien for the first time until maybe five years ago (I'm 25 now), but I know how much thought and effort was put into a movie like Alien.

    I thought the exact same when I saw The Thing last month. Amazing work for an 80's movie, not had a chance to see the remake.
  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,096
    I mean that everyone knows what the Alien/xenomorph is by now, and the movie has influenced countless film and other media, so it can never be as frightening as it was in 1979. Maybe that isn't apparent to most of us because we didn't exist back then (most of us anyway)

    Like the mystery surrounding the first Matrix. You can still analyze and admire that movie, but Spring 1999 is lost forever.
  • Sexperienced.Sexperienced. kdh Joined: Posts: 5,257
    I didnt even know they made a remake for The Thing until now.

    I found this clip and looks pretty scary... dont watch it if you're squeamish...

    (reminds me of dream catcher in some ways).