Tales of Dark & Light: The SNK storylines-Revived

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More hard work down the drain, but hey,

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Well, in "pre-Crisis" SRK, where were we in this thread?
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  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well, we were talking about random subjects, but pleeeeease don't let this thread die again....:(
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  • D-ForceD-Force Blame your fate. Joined: Posts: 710 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Well, it wasn't really our fault that the thread died, but anyway, last we left off, I think, was tool_028 and myself giving the SNK abbreviated storylines and then they started talking about random stuff afterwards.
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    i got a topic!!

    what is the story-line to KOFEX for GBA. i understand that it is supposed to be a prelude to the abduction of Kyo & the NESTS saga, but why is Geese the host? (BTW, he died in the Fatal Fury game, not KOF, but he does die in 1998 in the SNK world)
  • Psycho Power JPsycho Power J Vegetarian Nightmare Joined: Posts: 186
    I don't suppose anyone made a FAQ or something similar for everything discussed in the orignal thread?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Psycho Power J
    I don't suppose anyone made a FAQ or something similar for everything discussed in the orignal thread?

    Lantis has a FAQ at www.gamefaqs.com (click me)

    Just type in KOF'98, the dream match one, and it should be underneath th first to sections. Just look for Lantis because he has the same name there as he does here.
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I don't know the story of KOF EX: Neo Blood too well, as I have never had the chance to play the game (nor do I think I will), and I also haven't seen any page which has the endings for it. I think it's just some mild KOF tournament Geese held for mere amusement. Story-wise, it should take place before RBFF, which is the game where Geese finally dies (all this in the year 1998).
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  • Forte WilyForte Wily Buster Style Master Joined: Posts: 52
    On a side note ~ Directed to tsj76:
    Glad to see there are some other MMX fans out there. And by the way, did any of you guys read my MMX fan fic on SRK? We had another discussion about this Forte Wily, we really could have used your knowledge, but you never came around, and the thread winded up going nowhere, fast. Didn't know you were over here.

    Since I've been lurking around I'd like to see a rebirth of that thread. Thanks...


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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Here's a question.

    What exactly happens during Art of Fighting 3?
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    AOF 3 was about Robert Garcia trying to help an old friend of his called Freia (a sassy girl who wears a leather jacket and a cap) who wanted to help her friend Wyler, who was suffering from the effects of some drug which made him hella big and hella mean. In the past, Freia's father had abandoned Wyler's father (or something to that extent, don't ask me how or why), so Freia fely compelled to help him. Knowing that Freia couldn't do it alone, Robert accompanies her. Then, Ryo and Yuri go look for Robert to know what's going on.

    Karman Cole is like some executive working for Robert's father's (Alberto Garcia) organization, versed well in martial arts. He's asked by the corporation to seek the whereabouts of Robert (seems they don't like the idea of Robert wandering off somewhere).

    Kasumi...well, you know her.

    Jin Fuha, the big dude, seems to have some beef with Eiji Kisaragi. He can predict the flow of "chi" in his opponents.

    Lenny Creston and Roddy Birts are a police couple on the outlook for Wyler.

    Wang Kohsan...uh forget it. He actually seemed interested in the drug that made Wyler a monster, though.

    That's all I could make out from the endings....
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    What do you mean about Kasumi?

    The only thing I could gather about her is she's trying to carry on her father's martial art.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Well, what do you think happened to him after AOF 1?

    Ryo kicked his ass, because he was in the way of finding Yuri.

    Todoh dissapeared to train, and was ashamed.

    Kasumi has been looking for her father ever since AOF3 and wants to fight the Kyokugen members because their 'schools' were rivals or became rivals after AOF 1.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Got some questions about Iori:

    1.) How did he come to hate Kyo? Don't say it's because they are from enemy clans because I know Iori doesn't seem to care about his own ancestry. Did his parents just show him a picture of Kyo and spread vicious lies about him, tell him to beat him up, or what?

    2.) When did Iori give up trying to kill Kyo and why?

    3.) What is Iori's current relationship with Kyo like? If they were spontaneuosly thrown into a room, how would they react to each others' presence?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon
    Got some questions about Iori:

    1.) How did he come to hate Kyo? Don't say it's because they are from enemy clans because I know Iori doesn't seem to care about his own ancestry. Did his parents just show him a picture of Kyo and spread vicious lies about him, tell him to beat him up, or what?

    2.) When did Iori give up trying to kill Kyo and why?

    3.) What is Iori's current relationship with Kyo like? If they were spontaneuosly thrown into a room, how would they react to each others' presence?

    1. i was going to with the clan rivalry, but maybe not. maybe kyo was the one who attacked iori first, then iori retaliated, not out of honor for the yagamis, but out of revenge. i just made that up:confused:

    2. in 2000, when they were in the warehouse fighting zero. check the storylines on gamfaqs.com or something for the specifics.

    3. i think they like fighting each just becuase they like fighting each other, i don't think iori still has homicidal tendencies--but he would like to defeat kyo in battle
  • D-ForceD-Force Blame your fate. Joined: Posts: 710 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Didn't SNK say that KoF: EX was a story-relevant game? If it is, then it has to take place during 1998, seeing as though it has most of the cast from that time in it.
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  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Grenade Falcon:

    1) Actually, I do think Iori is "marking out" for all Kusanagis to die. It is said so in his team's KOF '95 ending, where he says "Just wait, Kyo. You're next for extermination. You and all Kusanagis! Yah, hah, hah!". Anyhow, it also seems Iori has personal issues to deal with Kyo, but mostly I think it's Iori being jealous of Kyo's careless lifestyle as a Kusanagi warrior, while Iori has to worry about hierachy/Riot of the Blood/short lifespan issues. I think Iori is slowly getting over that since, according to his bio, he has his own girlfriend, and seems less interested in killing Kyo overall (but still doesn't like him).

    2) In Iori's ending in KOF '99, Iori still talks about fighting Kyo and getting even. However, in KOF 2000, they have their fight, and in KOF 2001, they don't even mention each other anymore (in their respective endings). Like I said, or Iori finally found some purpose in life besides hatred, or he realized his fight for destiny was futile.

    3) Well, they still don't like each other (that shows in their KOF 2001 special intro), but now they just trash talk and not vowing to kill each other. I say they would still fight, but not with a passionate hatred.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    another thing about the iori / kyo thing: in the intro to the iori team in 2001, iori only promises to enter the tournament when seth mentions that kyo will be there. he demands angrily that seth and the others leave kyo to him--whether that means killing him or just beating him up, i don't know, but it does prove that kyo is still on his mind
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i thoguht this was really interesting:
    Originally posted by DeAdSpAcE
    I'm not really sure about the scar he has, I'm guessing it's probably because of the harsh training he went through with his father. His story is he learned how to fight from his dad, but since his dad is so strict he put him through some rough times. Gato went through brutal training with a lot of hate building up in him as he bared through the intense training. It got so bad he forgot who he was and he goes around the world beating the snot out of any fighter he sees, which is why he joined the tournament. According to SNK Gato wasn't able to reach Kain in time because he was distracted by a mysterious fighter who predicted all of his moves. Turned out it was his dad, and his dad was trying to teach him that anger could only take him so far in fighting. After that he still couldn't really remember who he was and he didnt recognize his sister still. He just only wants to continue fighting.

    before i saw deadspaces's post over at the fighting game discussion board, i had no idea of his background. he's a very complex character, but his dad is still a mystery. his dad leaves, which is somehow connected to the death of his mother, which gets gato really upset, and he wants to kill him.

    oddly, gato remembers who is father and mother are, but he doesn't remember his sister; maybe he never her that much before he left home.

    let's recap:

    -gato is trained by his dad, possibly where he gets his scars

    -dad leaves

    -mom dies

    -gato goes off searching for his dad in order to kill him and become a better fighter

    -hotaru goes off to find gato; she finds him after the tournament but he does not remember her
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Okay, I know this isn't related to SNK's storylines, but I figured someone here would have decent knowledge about the gameplay in SNK's games to answer these questions:

    1.) What game systems do the three SNK grooves in CvS2 mostly represent? What are the differences between them in CvS2 and their games of origin?

    2.) Were ground fireballs designed just to "be more different" from Capcom's fireballs?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Grenade Falcon
    Okay, I know this isn't related to SNK's storylines, but I figured someone here would have decent knowledge about the gameplay in SNK's games to answer these questions:

    1.) What game systems do the three SNK grooves in CvS2 mostly represent? What are the differences between them in CvS2 and their games of origin?

    2.) Were ground fireballs designed just to "be more different" from Capcom's fireballs?

    K-groove is supposed to be a combo of Mark of the Wolves and Samarui Spirits.

    S and N are KOF based grooves.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    in K groove, the JD comes from MOTW and the rage gauge comes from SS.

    in KOF 98: DM (one of the 2 KOFs i own), there are two 'modes' you can choose from which closely represent S & N

    that's a good question about ground fireballs. i don't know the answer.

    anyway, does anyone remember from the first SNK thread that someone brought up that AOF2 was supposed to be the first-ever KOF tournament with geese as the sponsor? i may not be recalling this correctly, but it think he made the tournament to get back at the sakazakis or something. does anyone know the plot to AOF2?
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I really don't know too much about those ground projectiles, but since Terry has been the first man in SNK to ever perform these kind of moves (Power Wave since FF 1, which was released around the time SF II was launched), I guess SNK saw it fit to continue the tradition. In fact, Geese also had the Reppuken in FF 1 as well. Hmmm.....

    I think it was Saiki who said that AOF 2 was the first KOF tournament hosted by Geese. No doubt, Geese organized this so-called "tournament" from the sidelines, since you don't get to fight him if you don't meet special requirements (not losing a round), and everything seems to be managed in the outside by his underling, Mr. Big. Geese obviously wants the Sakazakis (or any other further opposition to his regime) crushed, and I can only imagine Geese hosting a tournament in AOF 2 for that reason.
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  • smashzsmashz Joined: Posts: 68
    Do you have any proof that Kyo won at least one kof? No one is ever called a champion in kof, the people(lika Chizuru) says that the team you choose is the one that won the last kof...
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by smashz
    Do you have any proof that Kyo won at least one kof? No one is ever called a champion in kof, the people(lika Chizuru) says that the team you choose is the one that won the last kof...

    In 1996:

    Except for the --->Hero team <
    , she says "I hope I would find the power that destroyed Rugal, but you'll do."

    Which means it has to be the Hero team that won in '95.
  • smashzsmashz Joined: Posts: 68
    She says that for the Hero Team too. And...
    In 1996:
    Except for new teams, Chizuru says"You Defeated the mighty Rugal."
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Can anyone fill me in on the stories and backgrounds of the non-main characters in the Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting and S.Spirits games? Characters like Richard Meye for example.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Got another question. Anyone know what happened to Rugal's panther? *Don't be ashamed if you SNK gurus aren't sure. :D *

    Oh, and about Iori, what's his reputation like among all the KOF characters? What are some of their opinions of him? And who actually perceives him as an inherently evil person?
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    Originally posted by Hcparker
    Can anyone fill me in on the stories and backgrounds of the non-main characters in the Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting and S.Spirits games? Characters like Richard Meye for example.

    here's FF & KOF, both FAQ's by LANTIS:
    www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/1410.html

    about the whole "who won the KOFs?" the japan team is the most likely team. i dot think its explicitly stated anywhere, but if you look at the stories for each year in Lantis' FAQ, it seems most logical the kyo won in 94, 95, 96, and 97. just because the game says something to all characters does not mean that its valid

    dont know about rugal's panther. maybe zero captured it and glued a mane on it.

    as for iori, i dont know either--i can't imagine he's very popular, (like as far as billy & eiji are concernded), but he did help save the world, so ....
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Grenade Falcon: The last time I saw, Rugal's panther was hanging around with King's waitresses (Sally and Elizabeth) in the "Next Challenger" booth in the China stage of KOF '97. I guess the panther just went back to the wildlife or something.... :D

    As far as I know, Iori is considered something like "a loose cannon". I haven't heard of many characters talking about him, but those who do (Kyo, Billy, Seth, Chizuru) don't express of him too well. Actually, I think many of them are afraid of him and his possible reaction, so they would most likely stay clear of him (considering his past record).

    Smashz: I think KOF stopped having "offcial winners" since the KOF tournament always gets interrupted by the same megalomaniac boss and the tournament sorta gets into "fight for survival" mode, but the general consensus is that (once you have tagged out those endings that could have happened even if they didn't win the tournament), it's like:

    KOF '94: Japan Team (they seem to be the only team having a "personal issue" with Rugal as Rugal did defeat Saisyu and all)

    KOF '95: Hero Team (Kyo + Saisyu and later avenging him against Rugal) with possible interference by Iori (he does say something to Rugal regarding the Orochi power).

    KOF '96: Hero Team, Yagami Team, and Ikari Team could have all reached the finals somehow, but it ends up being the God Caliber Team ending (I mentioned the Ikari Team because Leona DOES play a big part in knowing her role in the whole Orochi gimmick).

    KOF '97: God Caliber Team, for obvious historic reasons.

    KOF '98: Errr...no. :rolleyes:

    KOF '99: Hero Team seems to be the only team with a personal reason to fight Krizalid AND we have a different dialogue vs. Kyo (unlike all the others). Whip could have been wandering around, too.

    KOF 2000: Must have been either the Hero Team or Benimaru Team (because of the Lin/Ron rivalry).

    KOF 2001: Hero Team, no doubt.

    Richard Myer: Brazilian dude who practices Capoeira and also runs the Pao Pao Cafe. Bob Wilson is his student.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by tool_028


    here's FF & KOF, both FAQ's by LANTIS:
    www.gamefaqs.com/features/recognition/1410.html

    about the whole "who won the KOFs?" the japan team is the most likely team. i dot think its explicitly stated anywhere, but if you look at the stories for each year in Lantis' FAQ, it seems most logical the kyo won in 94, 95, 96, and 97. just because the game says something to all characters does not mean that its valid

    dont know about rugal's panther. maybe zero captured it and glued a mane on it.

    as for iori, i dont know either--i can't imagine he's very popular, (like as far as billy & eiji are concernded), but he did help save the world, so ....

    Wait a minute

    This FAQ is wrong.

    According to Saiki, Art of Fighting 2 is the *Real* first KOF tournament and Ryo is the first REAL champion NOT Billy Kane.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    A lot of that FAQ had to be made using deduction by looking at stuff from the games. It didn't get the benefit of a nice guy who could speak Japanese and owned the books like Saiki to check and re-check facts and all.

    Surprised everyone when it was discovered that AOF2 was the first KOF tourney...
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    A lot of that FAQ had to be made using deduction by looking at stuff from the games. It didn't get the benefit of a nice guy who could speak Japanese and owned the books like Saiki to check and re-check facts and all.

    Surprised everyone when it was discovered that AOF2 was the first KOF tourney...

    True,

    Maybe Lantis probably could do a re-write and update these Faqs.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Hcparker

    According to Saiki, Art of Fighting 2 is the *Real* first KOF tournament and Ryo is the first REAL champion NOT Billy Kane.

    over at www.neo-geo.com i posted the question "what happens in AOF2?". the answers are a bit vague, but this is MY intrepretation: geese and mr. big were not on the best of terms, and geese would of liked to see Mr. Big out of the picture.

    so he made a fighting tournament based in Southtown called "the King of Fighters", with mr. Big as the boss. geese invited the kyokugen gang to fight, knowing that ryo would reach the finals, beat up Mr. big, giving geese even more control of ST with big out of the way.
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Re-writing? :wtf:

    *faints*

    I never said my FAQ was 100% accurate, but I have to admit, that fact by Saiki really swept me from my feet, but I also feel there is a lot more where that came from. :D I hope Saiki shares some info that I failed to perceive, because I hate living in doubt. ;)
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    Well we know that AOF2 takes place before FF.

    But according the timeline of AOF, Ryo, Robert, Yuri and King would all be MUCH older then the FF crew.

    SNK's timelines are REALLY screwed up.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    What's funny is that if you ignore KOF, then AOF and FF's timelines merge with each other perfectly for the most part. It's only when you throw in AOF with its time-frozen AOF characters that things start messing up :p Otherwise, since most AOF characters don't appear in the FF series and you can see Geese's age progression, the timelines fit just fine.
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Perhaps I should refrain myself to including that AOF 2 tidbit from the KOF story FAQ, or else it would probably mess up everyone's minds. I still want the FAQ to leave the people satisfied, not more confused. :p

    IMO, it's like this:

    AOF -> FF

    FF -> KOF

    Which means AOF doesn't move into the KOF series too well...
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  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    Ignorance is bliss, I guess. It'll save you the backlash I got for bringing to lights such true facts as Poison's gender, Ken and Guile's relations, and Zangief's sexual orientation, at least.

    We fear change. Truth is stranger than fiction!

    *is still trying to figure out if this reply was meant to be sarcastic or not. ...eh, I need more sleep*

    On a random different topic, Saiki pointed out at Gamefaqs that Iori's pre-Chizuru-Battle dialogue was mistranslated and changed by SNK of America. Iori in the Japanese version never makes a reference to Mature and Vice's virginity at all, and instead remarks how he knew he had orochi blood/ability/whatever, all along. So guess that throws out that whole proof for him banging the two.
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    Originally posted by TiamatRoar
    Iori in the Japanese version never makes a reference to Mature and Vice's virginity at all, and instead remarks how he knew he had orochi blood/ability/whatever, all along. So guess that throws out that whole proof for him banging the two.

    prepare for the onslaught of a million iori fanboys

    anyway, i had originally saw his USA dialogue as iori insulting V & M, not claiming he had sex with them.

    Lantis: you're right about the difficulty of fighting AOF with KOF. everyone on the AOF team should be like 20 years older than SNK claims them to be, in the first place.


    is anyone eager to find out the storyline of KOFEX?? i am, but the game can't be that great with the shoulder buttons and all. i know that if you play thru with the FF team, geese is the final boss. i really would like to know about his involvement this year. also, it turns out that it was MOE who saved kyo immediately after the orochi battle. i guess NESTS gets him after 98's KOF.

    by the way, didn't NESTS capture iori too, or is that just 'fan canon'?
  • LantisLantis Can you fly, Bobby? Joined: Posts: 6,240 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Tiamat Roar: As it is, I already receive a lot of mails from several guys telling me some really annoying theories. A hopeless Terry fanboy is always telling me "Terry was the one who won KOF '94, not Kyo!". And then I have another guy who wants to push down my throat the theory that "Iori and Lawrence are Muslims! Iori has the symbol of Muslims on his back (crescent moon), and Lawrence has the name and looks like a Muslim!". I'm very much like :wtf: :confused: .

    Imagine what would happen if I include AOF 2 in there...Not that I'm not tempted to do so (if that's what SNK says), but then, I wonder how many "But the AOF characters have the same age as the FF characters!" mails I'll receive. Boy... :eek:

    tool_028: It seems that Geese is the staple last boss for EVERYONE, not just the Fatal Fury Team. I also heard that KOF EX was a bit less than crap, something like the control being inaccurate? :confused:

    About Iori, no. It seems unlikely that he was kidnapped by NESTS. In his prologue for KOF '99, he was looking for Kyo, and happened to stumble upon a NESTS base with Kyo clones, which Iori promptly decimated. :p
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    Originally posted by Lantis
    tool_028: It seems that Geese is the staple last boss for EVERYONE, not just the Fatal Fury Team.

    ok, but i THINK that if you play through the game with the japan team, iori is the final boss. i guess for everyone else (ikari, AOF teams, etc.) the boss is geese, which i didn't know before
  • smashzsmashz Joined: Posts: 68
    KOF '94: Japan Team (they seem to be the only team having a "personal issue" with Rugal as Rugal did defeat Saisyu and all)

    Heirden had a personal issue against Rugal... Rugal killed his family!

    KOF '95: Hero Team (Kyo + Saisyu and later avenging him against Rugal) with possible interference by Iori (he does say something to Rugal regarding the Orochi power).

    Heirden had a personal issue against Rugal... Rugal killed his family!

    KOF '96: Hero Team, Yagami Team, and Ikari Team could have all reached the finals somehow, but it ends up being the God Caliber Team ending (I mentioned the Ikari Team because Leona DOES play a big part in knowing her role in the whole Orochi gimmick).

    This one has a problem... the boss team is in the finals, so the FF or the Aof team have to be there to fight against them, they have a personal issue against them.

    KOF '97: God Caliber Team, for obvious historic reasons.
    Ok.

    KOF '98: Errr...no.
    No.

    KOF '99: Hero Team seems to be the only team with a personal reason to fight Krizalid AND we have a different dialogue vs. Kyo (unlike all the others). Whip could have been wandering around, too.
    Ok.

    KOF 2000: Must have been either the Hero Team or Benimaru Team (because of the Lin/Ron rivalry).
    Ok.

    KOF 2001: Hero Team, no doubt.

    no doubt? The problem with this ending is that it goes against everyone else storyline, usually when this happens it means it is a what-if ending...

    about kof Ex Neo Blood: you fight Iori before you fight Geese.
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    Was Andy supposed to be Geese's son at some point ?
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    i looked at lantis' FAQ, and its pretty obvious who wins each year
    Originally posted by smashz
    KOF '94: Japan Team (they seem to be the only team having a "personal issue" with Rugal as Rugal did defeat Saisyu and all)

    Heirden had a personal issue against Rugal... Rugal killed his family!

    the japan team won. if you look at heidern's bio, it says that he stepped aside and let kyo kill rugal
    KOF '95: Hero Team (Kyo + Saisyu and later avenging him against Rugal) with possible interference by Iori (he does say something to Rugal regarding the Orochi power).

    Heirden had a personal issue against Rugal... Rugal killed his family!

    see above
    KOF '96: Hero Team, Yagami Team, and Ikari Team could have all reached the finals somehow, but it ends up being the God Caliber Team ending (I mentioned the Ikari Team because Leona DOES play a big part in knowing her role in the whole Orochi gimmick).

    This one has a problem... the boss team is in the finals, so the FF or the Aof team have to be there to fight against them, they have a personal issue against them.

    again, the japan team won. even if the geese team did make it to the finals, it doesn't mean that the AOF or FF team HAVE to fight them
    KOF '97: God Caliber Team, for obvious historic reasons.
    Ok.

    the god caliber team beat orochi & goenitz, but the japan team beat the new faces to win the official tournament
    KOF '99: Hero Team seems to be the only team with a personal reason to fight Krizalid AND we have a different dialogue vs. Kyo (unlike all the others). Whip could have been wandering around, too.
    Ok.

    yeah, K's team won
    KOF 2000: Must have been either the Hero Team or Benimaru Team (because of the Lin/Ron rivalry).
    Ok.


    actually, there was no official winner. the benimaru team and k's team met in the warehouse when zero interputted. and long isn't around in 2000
    KOF 2001: Hero Team, no doubt.

    no doubt? The problem with this ending is that it goes against everyone else storyline, usually when this happens it means it is a what-if ending...

    no. in EVERY SINGLE kof the teams have conflicting endings: they always beat the boss, no matter what. 2001 is no exception. K's team won, but the team leaders (terry, ryo, kyo, iori) all show up and help out
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Hcparker
    Was Andy supposed to be Geese's son at some point ?

    I kind of recall someone saying (on the thread before the crash) that SNK toyed with the idea, but then decided against it. Which is why there is are vauge references, but again, the idea was ditched by the writers.
  • ssj2shingohanssj2shingohan Don't drop the oil Joined: Posts: 54
    Can some one tall me what is the top tier list for the kof story
    line. I need to know for a story I'm making.
    "It looks like it's time to oil up!"
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Tier One:Orochi (Dues Ex Machina)
    Tier Two: O. Yashiro, O. Chris, O. Shermie, Goetinz
    Tier Three: Kyo, Iori, Chizuru, Terry, Ryo, Geese, Krauser, Rock, Igniz, Zero, K', Krizald (Main Heroes and Main Villans)

    The rest is obvious.

    Others: Please fix my tiers, some of it is wrong.
  • ssj2shingohanssj2shingohan Don't drop the oil Joined: Posts: 54
    Tier One:Orochi (Dues Ex Machina)
    Tier Two: O. Yashiro, O. Chris, O. Shermie, Goetinz
    Tier Three: Kyo, Iori, Chizuru, Terry, Ryo, Geese, Krauser, Rock, Igniz, Zero, K', Krizald (Main Heroes and Main Villans)

    The rest is obvious.

    Others: Please fix my tiers, some of it is wrong.
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    Thinks, but I need thr hole list.
    P.S.
    Isn't Terry stronger than Gesse,Krauser and Rock?
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    just to make things easier, here's a complete list of EVERYONE who EVER appeared in a KOF

    Andy Bogard
    Angel
    Athena Asamiya
    Bao
    Benimaru Nikaido
    Billy Kane
    Blue Mary Rian
    Brian Battler
    Chang Koehan
    Chin Gensai
    Chizuru Kagura
    Choi Bounge
    Chris
    Clark Steele
    Eiji Kisaragi
    Foxy
    Geese Howard
    Goenitz
    Goro Daimon
    Heavy D!
    Heidern
    Hinako Shijuo
    Igniz
    Iori Yamagi
    Jhun Hoon
    Joe Higashi
    K
    K9999
    Kasumi Todo
    Kim Kap Hwan
    King
    Krizalid
    Kula Diamond
    Kyo Kusanagi
    Leona Heidern
    Lin
    Long
    Lucky Glauber
    Mai Shirunai
    Mature
    Maxima
    May Lee
    Moe Habana
    Mr. Big
    Orochi
    Ralf Jones
    Ramon
    Robert Garcia
    Rugal Bernstein
    Ryo Sakazaki
    Ryuji Yamazaki
    Saisyu Kusanagi
    Seth
    Shermie
    Shingo Yabuki
    Sie Kensou
    Takuma Sakazaki
    Terry Bogard
    Vanessa
    Vice
    Whip
    Wolfgang Krauser
    Xiangfei Li
    Yashiro Nanakase
    Yuri Sakazaki
    Zero


    think that igniz should be higher, like tier 2
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    In your opinion, I was wondering who you guys belive was the original hero of all SNK fighting games, who you belive had at first and still has the most potential to become the main character in the KoF story if they were to make KoF 2003, if it isnt in the worls already(even though Kyo, K, and Iori seam to take that title, I think) and who is you favorite SNK fighter.

    In my opinion, I guess im a Terry fan, maybe cause he was I guess the original bad ass of SNK, or cause he just kicks ass in the three FF animes, or I dont know, he's just a bad ass I guess.

    My questions dont include any cast of SS simply because, well, their dead, been dead for years, and I dont think any of them are still alive.

    Just asking out of curiosity, to see what people belive, want, or who they like from SNK, nothing else.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Originally posted by Gwawainn
    In your opinion, I was wondering who you guys belive was the original hero of all SNK fighting games, who you belive had at first and still has the most potential to become the main character in the KoF story if they were to make KoF 2003, if it isnt in the worls already(even though Kyo, K, and Iori seam to take that title, I think) and who is you favorite SNK fighter.

    In my opinion, I guess im a Terry fan, maybe cause he was I guess the original bad ass of SNK, or cause he just kicks ass in the three FF animes, or I dont know, he's just a bad ass I guess.

    My questions dont include any cast of SS simply because, well, their dead, been dead for years, and I dont think any of them are still alive.

    Just asking out of curiosity, to see what people belive, want, or who they like from SNK, nothing else.

    Well the 'original' hero NOT including SS or LB, timeline wise is . . .

    Ryo. According to AOF2, he's the first 'official KOF champion'.

    The problem is the Art of Fighting cast DOESN'T AGE when timeline wise they should be MUCH older when we see them again in KOF.

    Ignoring AOF2, the first official KOF champion is Billy Kane who lost the title to Terry during the tournament.

    The official KOF storyline itself seems to indictate it was Kyo and Iori, then they were replaced by K' and the mass-cloning stupidity that was the NESTs storyline.

    Based upon the 'Dragon Power' storyline mentioned in the past few games, I'm assuming that the next major storyline will revolve around Athena, Kensou and Bao.

    For the record, since Athena techincally is the reincarnation of a goddess, SHE's the most powerful in terms of pure potential.

    Currently I'd say Kyo and Iori are. Possibly K'.

    Terry and Ryo are slightly behind them, or about Ken's level in SF.
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