Tales of Dark & Light: The SNK storylines-Revived

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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Okay, some Samurai Shodown questions:

    1) Which of the two Asuras is the real one, Slash or Bust?
    And which one had a love affair with Shiki?

    2) Amakusa gets split into two versions, one good and one evil, the former which you get to play in SSIV. Do they ever merge back together for SSV, and in turn, SSI and II?

    The good Amakusa would probably detest merging with the evil one given the "good" implication, but paradoxically, in one of his SSIV win quotes, he says "When will I become whole?" That indicates that he isn't powerful enough. And his "evil" side would need all the power he could get if he wanted to use Mizuki in SSII, right?

    Well, I just got the answers from Saiki at gamefaqs board:
    Shura Asura is the real one and rasetsu asura is the one Yuga made. 
    The one that fell in love with Shiki is the Rasetsu one, but the two of them merged and became Yuda.
    
    And the Amakusa in SS1 is the single one before the split. 
    In SS2, it's the good version who dies protecting Haohmaru and friends.
    
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    And regarding why Second South was established in MOTW:

    http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=427361&postcount=52

    http://www.snk-capcom.com/forums/showpost.php?p=424279&postcount=28

    The mook that SouthtownKid mentioned is ASCII Mook Garou -Mark of the Wolves- Koushiki Guidebook.

    http://www.arcadiamagazine.com/product/asc-m_001.html
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Lantis wrote:
    Terry adopted Rock at the end of RBFF when Geese plummets to his death.

    In fact, he adopted Rock since FF3, ALL ABOUT SNK had confirmed that.

    http://tugger.hp.infoseek.co.jp/ff3-tb.htm
  • KataklysmicKataklysmic More Tigers! Joined: Posts: 959
    Thanks, Freak. :D



    Serious question, what's with Duck King's fetish in ducks?
    " Scrubs keep our community alive, not top players, everyone (even myself at times) seem to forget that."
    - Arturo Sanchez, aka Sabin
  • KataklysmicKataklysmic More Tigers! Joined: Posts: 959
    And while I'm still around, how good is Lin?
    " Scrubs keep our community alive, not top players, everyone (even myself at times) seem to forget that."
    - Arturo Sanchez, aka Sabin
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    About Duck, sorry it seems that I can't find that info anywhere (and I doubt it's ever existed).

    Only thing we knew is his most important thing is that little duckling named P-chan. (If anyone have some more official info, feel free to add.)



    Regarding Lin, TBH there aren't any official complete storyline-wise tier lists.

    Well, here're some info about him.

    From 2000 Benimaru team prologue.
    http://www.kof10th.com/english/history/kof2000_story/index.php?num=benimaru

    - He's one of the four devas of Hizoku clan. It's revealed in 2001 that the other three are Ran (girl), Sai (guy) and Chitto (kid).
    http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/4236/438ti.jpg
    http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/120/linfrienz8ub.gif

    - Seth's impressed with his speed & his poison fist.
    - Benimaru's impressed with his poison fist & his endurance.
    http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/4049/1373vx.jpg


    From 2001 Hero team prologue.
    http://www.kof10th.com/english/history/kof2001_story/index.php

    - Maxima's impressed with his speed.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Lin is extremely disiplined. You can tell because imagine what type of dicipline it would take to replace your blood with poison(basically what Lin did) and use it as a weapon. ....And think about it, when ever you bleed it harms you(you feel pain) so Lin is extremely disiplined to the point where he can take ridiculous amounts of pain(i.e R.E.D Kicks and Maiden Mashers) onto himself on a normal bases in order to cause his opponent pain. His poison instantly kills as soon as it seeps into a persons body and there is no antidote for it(leathal and deadly).

    Kyo, K', Terry, or Rock cannot even come close to taking as much pain as Lin. The only main character that can out class Lin in the pain taking category is Iori because when he goes into Riot of Blood he feels an immense amount of pain(about 2x or 3x the pain), spits of blood, and his entire body riots with pain(meaning in a fight, Iori can take burn knuckles and Repukens no problem).

    Lin also can move extremely fast(faster than all of the man characters and enemies) and can probably do so for a long time(energy/endurance).

    So yeah, he's pretty good.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    So do you think Lin will show up in the next KoF installment?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I'm not sure if Lin will show up in the next KoF installment or not but I think he should because his storyline with Ron hasn't been settled yet.
  • TiamatRoarTiamatRoar The Grumpy Surly One Joined: Posts: 1,092
    So, Falcoon stated in an interview recently that upcoming KOF MI games' storyline will "fill in the gap" between Real Bout and Mark of the Wolves. Fill in the gap between Real Bout and Mark of the Wolves? I thought these guys stated that KOF takes place in a different continuity from Fatal Fury and that KOF:MI takes place in a different continuity from KOF! Can't these companies make up their friggin' minds?
  • smashzsmashz Joined: Posts: 68
    I've just gotten Art of Fighting for the Virtual Console, and I was checking the Guide that comes with the game... AoF's was surprisingly complete- including background story and bios for every character, besides Mr. Big and Mr. Karate. I don't think there's any unknown info there, but it was quite a surprise, in any case.
  • AbhiAbhi Best Team EVER Joined: Posts: 1,550 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    AOF 3 was about Robert Garcia trying to help an old friend of his called Freia (a sassy girl who wears a leather jacket and a cap) who wanted to help her friend Wyler, who was suffering from the effects of some drug which made him hella big and hella mean. In the past, Freia's father had abandoned Wyler's father (or something to that extent, don't ask me how or why), so Freia fely compelled to help him. Knowing that Freia couldn't do it alone, Robert accompanies her. Then, Ryo and Yuri go look for Robert to know what's going on.

    Karman Cole is like some executive working for Robert's father's (Alberto Garcia) organization, versed well in martial arts. He's asked by the corporation to seek the whereabouts of Robert (seems they don't like the idea of Robert wandering off somewhere).

    Kasumi...well, you know her.

    Jin Fuha, the big dude, seems to have some beef with Eiji Kisaragi. He can predict the flow "chi" in his opponents.

    Lenny Creston and Roddy Birts are a police couple on the outlook for Wyler.

    Wang Kohsan...uh forget it. He actually seemed interested in the drug that made Wyler a monster, though.

    That's all I could make out from the endings....

    I just discovered this thread and yet to read the rest of the pages but I always wanted AOF4, esp to see Jin progress his story with Eiji and was Todo ever found by Kasumi

    Also I have a JPN KOF 94, 4 book series where Terry beat Kyo and then faught Rugal and won with Kyo's help.
    Man I remember when I found out that his name was Rugal Bernstein, good times.

    The Fatal Fury team will always be the true winners of KOF to me
    I'm like an Hadoken

    I'm like Down Right Fierce
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I noticed a storyline faq in Gamefaqs.com for Garou games by KLantis, looked at some parts and was confused a bit, mostly about MotW part. MoTW was the last game in AoF-Garou timeline so from where author got information about its "true" ending? Where was it stated that for example Terry defeated Grant and such?
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    I noticed a storyline faq in Gamefaqs.com for Garou games by KLantis, looked at some parts and was confused a bit, mostly about MotW part. MoTW was the last game in AoF-Garou timeline so from where author got information about its "true" ending? Where was it stated that for example Terry defeated Grant and such?

    It could be a speculation since there is no Garou 2 to back it up. Considering Kain only wanted Rock, Grant could have let him by while he challenged the runner up.

    Besides, I...just can't trust Falcoon or anyone within SNK to make up their minds about AoF-FF-KoF continuity. I mean, they make Another Day just to promote MI2? I mean, just bring out the game and it would promote itself or at least a tv promo. Sheesh.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Another question. Are all mangas at most good fanfictions or are some cannonical?
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits storyline expert have arrived here. Feel free to ask anything about the series storyline. I may not know only bits from SS6 because we dont have english-language release yet.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Another question. Are all mangas at most good fanfictions or are some cannonical?

    Well, I guess it just depends on the mangaka and the creator of the series.
  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Samurai Shodown / Samurai Spirits storyline expert have arrived here. Feel free to ask anything about the series storyline. I may not know only bits from SS6 because we dont have english-language release yet.

    Alright then, bub, could SS be a prequel to the Last Blade series? I have a notion (no real fact behind it or anything, just feeling) that the SS, LB, and the other SNK fighting series are somewhat intertwined. I have no basis for this, just speculation.
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    You are quite right, but lets see.
    Last Blade, KOF and Samurai Shodown all take place in same universe but in different times.
    Zantetsu in Last Blade is ancestor of Eiji from KOF
    In Samurai Shodown, few "ancestors" of KOF characters show up from time to time, last one is Kim Hie-Ryuen from Samurai Shodown Edge of Destiny who appears to be Kim Kaphwan's ancestor.

    Last game from Samurai Shodown (chronologically) takes place in 1810-1811 year, it is called Samurai Spirits Shinsho (New Chapter), among fans it is known better as Warriors Rage 2. Even then, it shows the beginning end of samurai era.
    Next in timeline are Last Blade games, last of them takes place in 1864 year. It shows total end of Bakumatsu era as well as westernizing of Japan. The characters are depicted as "last swordsmans" in the world.
    And the KOF begins from 1994 year, but its based on more early fightings; still it is based on more early titles such as Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting.

    Samurai Spirits Shinsho (New Chapter) is also kinda the spiritual successor of Last Blade series, in 3D. The normal cast from Samurai Shodown was almost removed in this game (because it is "New Generation" style game like SF3 or Garou), and new characters and moves are almost entirely derived from Last Blade, as well as gameplay elements (pushing to other side of stage kick, anyone ?) And the main hero, Seishiro is basically Moriya gameplay-wise, with the moon theme still intact but ripped from Iai elements. Moriya's teleport was given to Haito, etc

    Also there is a specific set of anime, mangas, games that one team worked on. Creator of Rurouni Kenshin counts there too. Also if you have seen Ninja Scroll I bet you too saw similar to samsho designs.

    Also if someone interested from what the all samsho series began (the first game), look there
    http://forum.int13.ru/viewtopic.php?f=104&t=307
    You will see a familiar face I suppose :)
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Last Blade, KOF and Samurai Shodown all take place in same universe but in different times.

    Maybe Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting instead of KoF? KoF never really gave a fuck about years and stuff while AoF and FF very consistant with minor screw ups, like retcon of Geese`s death in FF1.
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    Kof takes place in the year....in which he takes place, it is every-year tournament. I assume KOF 98 takes place in 98 year etc; its not really that important, what I said is that all this AoF/FF/KOF stuff happens ahead of Last Blade and Samurai Shodown
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    Allow me to correct you on this stat Black Shroud.
    The King Of Fighters (KOF) does take place in the year in which it takes place (the year the game is released), but not all of them; Kof98 and 2002 do not occur story-wise (they're not canon), because they are dream matches (in other words, ensemble "fanservice" filler fighters).
    For the rest, Kof94-97, which depict the Orochi Arc, are set from 1994-1997 (even if the arc truly is set between 95 and 97, 94 counts because it starts the whole scenario behind the Kof tournament), Kof99-2001 (the NESTS Cartel Arc) are set from 1999 to 2001, and finally, Kof2003, XI and XII comprise the Tales of Ash Arc.
    Just so you know, after Kof2003, SNKPlaymore decided to mark the subsequent Kofs with numerals, just so fans would truly catch on with the series commercially-wise, and so KofXI is set in 2005, and of course, KofXII is set in 2008.
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    Okay, now than we dealt with KOF problem, anymore Samurai Shodown questions ? Usually I got questions concerning 3D chapters of Samurai Shodown, but there it doesnt seems the case
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    Allow me to correct you on this stat Black Shroud.
    The King Of Fighters (KOF) does take place in the year in which it takes place (the year the game is released), but not all of them; Kof98 and 2002 do not occur story-wise (they're not canon), because they are dream matches (in other words, ensemble "fanservice" filler fighters).
    For the rest, Kof94-97, which depict the Orochi Arc, are set from 1994-1997 (even if the arc truly is set between 95 and 97, 94 counts because it starts the whole scenario behind the Kof tournament), Kof99-2001 (the NESTS Cartel Arc) are set from 1999 to 2001, and finally, Kof2003, XI and XII comprise the Tales of Ash Arc.
    Just so you know, after Kof2003, SNKPlaymore decided to mark the subsequent Kofs with numerals, just so fans would truly catch on with the series commercially-wise, and so KofXI is set in 2005, and of course, KofXII is set in 2008.

    And what about the handheld versions? I'm pretty sure someone would say that they're not canon. However, I just want to beg differ in some instances. The EX games could be canon seeing that the same people who worked on them were the same who worked on the main series & offers interesting sidestories too, plus the first EX game did introduce the idea of Gaia which was also re-introduced in 2003.

    But...anyway...
    Okay, now than we dealt with KOF problem, anymore Samurai Shodown questions ? Usually I got questions concerning 3D chapters of Samurai Shodown, but there it doesnt seems the case

    Yea, I do have one. Is this new next-gen SS suppose to be a re-harsh like Wild Ambitions was for FF? I mean from the videos that are available, the intro is almost identical to the original SS arcade intro; just now it seems to have removed much of the "ki" based attacks that a lot of the characters are known for. I only say that because I didn't see Haohmaru's hurricane slash.
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    Lets see how games was released
    2D Era / Ambrosia Story Arc
    1)Samurai Spirits
    2)SS Haohmaru Jigokuhen
    3)SS Zankuro Musouken
    4)SS Amakusa Korin
    3D Era / Yuga Story Arc
    5)SS 64
    6)SS Asura Zanmaden
    7)SS Shinsho ~ "aka Warriors Rage for PSX in USA"
    ----2D Era / Kuraki-Sumeragi Story Arc----
    8)SS Zero (aka SS5 in USA)
    9)SS Zero Special (aka SS5 Special in USA)
    10)SS Tenkaichi Kenkakuden (aka SS6)
    ----3D Era / assumed "Sengoku" Arc
    11)SS Sen (aka Edge of Destiny in USA)

    And, the timeline is as follows:

    [The Beginning]
    SS Zero
    (SS Tenkaichi Kenkakuden as uncanonic branch of storyline that starts from SS Zero events)
    Samurai Spirits
    SS Zankuro Musouken
    SS Amakusa Korin
    SS Haohmaru Jigokuhen
    SS 64
    SS Sen (judging from Haohmaru's age; no official info)
    SS Asura Zanmaden
    SS Shinsho
    [The End]


    About intro:

    Original Samurai Spirits intro with Haohmaru cutting lanterns and sakura tree:
    Text:
    Bushido (way of warrior) is the way of death
    Shurado (way of Shura) is the way of victory
    I, will become a vicious Rasetsu.
    And all enemies before me, will be...
    Cut in half!!

    Next: SS64 intro was done as homage to Samurai Spirits intro, additionally it featured pictures of Yuga and Shiki; and Yuga narrated second part of text.
    The purpose of homage: When series go on new level (in 3D that time), the original intro is remade.
    Text:

    Shura (god of war), shakes the earth
    And blows as wind over the land
    Rasetsu (dark devil), rends the ocean
    Towards the unevitable end
    Both submerge in a bottomless sea of blood,
    And all the enemies before them, will be
    Cut in half!!

    Next: SS Zero intro featured the same text as original one from Samurai Spirits, only the narrator was Gaoh, and the background was the battlefield. This time only texts was the homage, and also SNK hoped to make overall view more epic (war and all things).
    The purpose of homage: because of resurrection of series after 4 years and SNK bankrupcy, it was considered "new level"

    Next: SS Sen intro - it is the total replica of SS1 intro, done in new graphics style. The purposes are: 1) let player to compare this intro with previous ones to show how impressive graphics became 2) Again mark that series go on new level.

    About "ki" based attacks, under which you mean elemental- or magic-based attack that dont rely on sword itself. In a motion similar with SS Shinsho, SNK decided to give the sword and sword skills most serious role in game and diminish all magic attacks, especially fireballs, as much as possible, to make "sword vs sword" game. Moreso, all the demons and otherworldly creatures together with demon world itself are removed from SS Sen storyline completely; because SNK wanted to create "samurai vs samurai" story.
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    About "ki" based attacks, under which you mean elemental- or magic-based attack that dont rely on sword itself. In a motion similar with SS Shinsho, SNK decided to give the sword and sword skills most serious role in game and diminish all magic attacks, especially fireballs, as much as possible, to make "sword vs sword" game. Moreso, all the demons and otherworldly creatures together with demon world itself are removed from SS Sen storyline completely; because SNK wanted to create "samurai vs samurai" story.

    ...Bottomline, is they want to compete with Soul Calibur.
    Now that you've mentioned them Ryuujinha, the truth is that both EX games are not canon for the sole reason of the structure of the games themselves (having not one but two Kof tournaments set during the time of NESTS is absurd, especially since the first one is nothing but filler), but it's only the second and best of the two that could be canon because of the heavy reference in regards of Orochi.
    Can I ask you friend, could the idea of Gaia be taken from the second game , cause the first one has nothing to do with Orochi, unlike the second one which has all these mentions of the sacred treasures and such?

    EX games & Gaia:
    All I can say about the first EX game is it's a gaiden, just to flesh out the characters more and needless to say through the game it had really nothing to do with Gaia but the idea was probably fleshed out a bit more from then to EX2 to 2003. I can honestly say the Gaia idea was fleshed out more from the second game, along with the idea of the Jyu-Shu Sinpou.

    MI games:
    Since we're going back to the canon & non-canon games...has it been stated whether the MI games are straight-up canon or non-canon? The only thing I see that could make them canon was the KoF: Another Day ONA; even though it has been stated only to be used for promotional purposes. (I mean seriously, though Iori is to suppose have lost his use of the flame after XI)
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    Weren`t there more than 3 sacred tresures in EX games? That kinda conflicts with KoF. I liked their idea with a boy chanelling spirit of Geonitz and would like to see him again.

    MI games are in their own universe. There were some rumors that MI would continue story of AoF/FF but i hope it`s not true because MIs are already fucked up as far as story goes, gameplay is also stupid imo but whatever.

    Whats the point of SS series story? Could anyone(Black Shroud most likely) write a short summary of events during those games?
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    Weren`t there more than 3 sacred tresures in EX games? That kinda conflicts with KoF. I liked their idea with a boy chanelling spirit of Geonitz and would like to see him again.

    MI games are in their own universe. There were some rumors that MI would continue story of AoF/FF but i hope it`s not true because MIs are already fucked up as far as story goes, gameplay is also stupid imo but whatever.

    Whats the point of SS series story? Could anyone(Black Shroud most likely) write a short summary of events during those games?

    How so? I mean if you mean the Jyu-Shu Sinpou then that begs the question when did Chizuru create them...seeing that it's a group to handle dealings with Orochi (not to actually put down Orochi since that's the three treasures duty). But still, I'm not getting the whole kinda conflicts with KoF thing you got there.

    Well, seeing that the MI games are set only in Southtown, it doesn't have to be in their own universe. And far as story goes, it makes some sense in a way...the funny thing about it is that it's Terry's fault. By putting down Geese twice he opened up a Pandora's box and all the crime-bosses are trying to fight for that power vacuum left by Geese. As far as the whole AoF/FF continuation...I would think of it more as a Southtown continuation. Besides, if you're trying to object also to the whole mystical thing going on with Meira brothers...eeh...that's stretching it a bit. But, heck, what do I know, eh?
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    I will try to put it very short there.

    Preface

    Amakusa is executed by goverment forces for christian rebellion. He abandons christian god and mades a pact with dark god Ambrosia

    SS1

    Amakusa resurrects taking the body of Shinzo (hanzo's son), and sends disasters, planning to eventually make the path to our world for Ambrosia. The magic gem he uses was stolen from Tam Tam's village btw. Characters travel the world to stop him

    SS Haohmaru Jigokuhen

    Mizuki (posessing body of shinto priestess Bizuki) again sends demons and disasters to the world and wants to capture 4 sacred souls (Haohmaru Jubei Sieger Kyoshiro) to achieve power needed to led Ambrosia in human world. Characters travel the world and in the end must get in Makai (demon world) via Mountain of Fear and battle Mizuki to prevent her reaching human world.

    I will note that Mountain of Fear (Osore Zan) at edge of japan right before ainu lands, you can say it stands between main japan and ezo, and is believed to have passage to Makai via its caves.

    SS Zankuro Musouken

    Zankuro is a giant warrior who is obsessed with perfection of his style to the point of maddness, he slaughtered everyone but then realised error in his ways and would attack only those who challenge him. Characters go to meet Zankuro for various reasons. (this is before SS Haohmaru Jigokuhen)

    SS4

    Amakusa's soul split in 2 half, good and evil (blue-skinned boss one). Evil Amakusa summons his castle in Shimabara where he was executed; as well as summons Zankuro back from the dead, and sustains both with power of Hazuki Kazama. He plans to dominate the world, and other characters including good Amakusa go to stop him (after SS Zankuro Musouken but before SS Haohmaru Jigokuhen)

    SS64
    Mysterious demon wizard, Yuga (in next game "he" is revealed to be remotely controlled body and actual Yuga was female sorceress from Makai); he controls big amount of people like puppets (hence called puppetmaster) and his target is merge of Yin and Yang forces of universe (notably merging Human World with Makai), for that he needs to be reborn as new dark god of Makai. Since he uses male-female body merging technique/sacrifice to create new body, for dark god body he needs Woman of Darkness Half and Man of Light Half = Shiki & Haohmaru, and he captures Shiki succesfully
    (Note: its heavily hinted that Yuga is related to Ambrosia)

    SSAZ
    Yuga's big second comeback and at this time she (appears herself) and almost succeeds, with both Shiki and Haohmaru captured and main team of "good" guys unsuccesful/defeated.
    Instead, Yuga gets defeated by her dreaded enemy, Makai swordsman, Asura; he was sealed but escaped when Yuga was defeated in SS64.
    (Note: All the setting is based around Mountain of Fear again)

    SS:Shinsho
    "New Generation" game a-la Garou or SF3, with mainly new storyline, and with subplot storyline arc (in which Yuga plays a big role since her spirit survived in Mikoto) to end SSAZ plot. Former leader of Iga Ninjas and now wandering bodhisattva (enlighted) cames to conclusion that there is need in radical change in Japan, which lost its martial spirit after years of peace. He plans to overthrow government and create a martial nation for the Bushin (martial arts god), nation where strong survive. For this he works through three mighty warriors called Three Blades of Domination, and also one of Tokugawa branches actually supports him. The center of all action is Riten-Kyo, a small prison island near Edo from where this new "wave" meant to be spread, as Three Blades of Domination start to act here; and various warriors gather on the island to encounter them.

    SS Zero (before SS1)
    There is famine in Japan, and since Tokugawa government does nothing, protector of Hinowa province, Gaoh decides to rebel and overthrow the government, and also he start recruitment of strong warriors. Though Gaoh is a hero he also appears to be posessed by ancient demon, called Kuraki-Sumeragi (Dark Emperor), who only seeks to start wars to get people die. Well a number of characters go to the Hinowa for various reasons

    SS Tenkaichi Kenkakuden (uncanonical entry after SS Zero, a dream-match)

    Yoshitora who is apparently a shogun (already), announces an Imperial Tournament (Gozen) for warriors all over the world, with big award. Matches are set during the various countries festivals (each arena in game = some festival). Apparently there is a rule to dont kill opponent (for Gozen's it in fact optional but since the game doesnt have the gore...).
    In the end though it seems tournament faces some disaster (this is during you battle one of previous bosses) and you end up in Makai, forced to battle Gaoh who was reborn as the demon lord (MaGaoh). (Well if Gaoh is based from Nobunaga then MaGaoh is based off resurrected Nobunaga from Onimusha. Simple). As I can judge, MaGaoh wants to conquer Makai, and Kuraki-Sumeragi is still with him as well.

    SS Sen. (it seems it is between SS64 and SSAZ)
    It begins from story of how king and queen of Lesphia (kingdom in Europe) were killed by assassins and one of guards escaped to Japan together with their only daughter, who became in the end foster daughter to lord of Amori clan. After some years when she grown, mysterious foreighn ship was spotted to constantly be near Japan, country became flooded with illegal foreighn warriors who waited their time, and samsho characters started to suffer from assassin attacks. Apparently main boss is one responsible for many murders/assassinations and he commands that ship. Characters go to investigate
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    I doubt the EX games are canon. Mainly because none of the new characters for that game appeared in KOF's website they tossed up for their 10th Anniversary, they were the only characters that got snubbed. Also, in that big drawing Falcoon did for the 20th Anniversary that features everyone, all of the new EX characters are missing and they are the ONLY characters absent. This is typical stuff companies do when they don't want something to fit into canon.

    Yeah the KOF MI games are part of the mainstream SS/AOF/FF timeline, they bridge the gap between the last FF game and Mark of the Wolves. TiamatRoar has a post regarding this on the previous page.

    KOF (2D games) is still seperate though, but I suppose now some things that happened in KOF happened in the mainstream universe too, some of the broad things like Orochi, Nest and Crimson sagas, to explain a few appearances in MI. This still needs more clarification from SNK though how this works.
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    Ryuujinha wrote:
    How so? I mean if you mean the Jyu-Shu Sinpou then that begs the question when did Chizuru create them...seeing that it's a group to handle dealings with Orochi (not to actually put down Orochi since that's the three treasures duty). But still, I'm not getting the whole kinda conflicts with KoF thing you got there.

    For example if they are ment to deal with Orochi where are they now? Mukai`s gang is obviously trying to do something with Orochi`s power. Imo another continuity.
    Well, seeing that the MI games are set only in Southtown, it doesn't have to be in their own universe. And far as story goes, it makes some sense in a way...the funny thing about it is that it's Terry's fault. By putting down Geese twice he opened up a Pandora's box and all the crime-bosses are trying to fight for that power vacuum left by Geese. As far as the whole AoF/FF continuation...I would think of it more as a Southtown continuation. Besides, if you're trying to object also to the whole mystical thing going on with Meira brothers...eeh...that's stretching it a bit. But, heck, what do I know, eh?

    MoTW did it better imo. Terry/Grant/Kain endings show it well imo that with Geese there was order. Rock asking Terry was Kain really wrong(as i understand he tried to replace Geese), Grant beating the crap out of some other gang.

    Story of MI wasn`t that bad just inferior to MoTW imo. MI2 was just whatever. Thing that i don`t like is that MI has many characters from KoF and a lame plot with aliens. If it is going to continue story of AoF/FF then it certainly will be fucked up.
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    To Black Shroud....stupid question time...who was the main hero or rather...the last one to fight in all those SS (in order please), because I know in one of them Nakoruru sacrificed her so that Galford could deliver the final blow to some enemy.

    Back to FF...so, since the KoF series is still advancing...chances of Garou 2? Or a Garou 2-ish?
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    SS1 and SS2 bosses defeated by Haohmaru & Nakoruru.
    SS3 boss defeated by Shizumaru (and Haohmaru)
    SS4 Dark Amakusa defeated by Kazuki and Zankuro by Sogetsu
    SS64 Gandara defeated by Kazuki/Sogetsu and Yuga by Haohmaru & Nakoruru
    SSAZ Gandara defeated by Hanzo and Yuga defeated by Asura & Hanmen no Asura
    SS:Shinsho Oboro is defeated by Hanzo, Tohma by Seishiro and Mikoto/Yuga by Yuda
    SS5 Kuraki-Sumeragi is defeated by Yunfei and Gaoh by Yoshitora
    SS6 and onward - unknown.

    Now the Nakoruru sacrifice you mentioned may refer to SS2 ending where she releases her essence to negate the evil presence in nature, and stops to exist in physical body. But for SS64-SSAZ she materializes again so she can do the fighting too.
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    Black Shroud, on what your info is based? Baseless like most of KLantis faq?
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    I have multiple sources of information, both english- and japanese-language. You can go read japanese wikipeda perphaps, or All About SNK, or go listen to some dramas. Also, show me that KLantis faq, honestly I dont remember what it is.
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    I doubt the EX games are canon. Mainly because none of the new characters for that game appeared in KOF's website they tossed up for their 10th Anniversary, they were the only characters that got snubbed. Also, in that big drawing Falcoon did for the 20th Anniversary that features everyone, all of the new EX characters are missing and they are the ONLY characters absent. This is typical stuff companies do when they don't want something to fit into canon.

    Interesting...let me slam my stupid question button again...
    ::squish::
    So, Angel and K-9999...no chance in hellz that they'll reappear, eh? I mean, Angel, sure no prob...but they would need to re-vamp K-9999's image to make him usable, eh?
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    I have multiple sources of information, both english- and japanese-language. You can go read japanese wikipeda perphaps, or All About SNK, or go listen to some dramas. Also, show me that KLantis faq, honestly I dont remember what it is.

    Klantis guide is not about SS so i doubt you are interested in it. It`s on gamefaqs anyway.
    So, Angel and K-9999...no chance in hellz that they'll reappear, eh? I mean, Angel, sure no prob...but they would need to re-vamp K-9999's image to make him usable, eh?

    Angel was in NeoWave, so imo SNK doesn`t hate her that much. K-9999 is another story.

    Anyway, so Ambrosia would be a top dog in SS series? Kinda like Orochi?
  • Black ShroudBlack Shroud Spirits Society Joined: Posts: 1,167
    well, Ambrosia is "dark god of Makai (Demon World)" of SS1-SS4 arc, and you can see "it" in the end of SS RPG.

    Then, there is questionable thing with SS64-SS:Shinsho arc.
    The word "Ambrosia" doesnt mentions here but "dark god of Makai" stuff is still present, and Yuga has marks of Ambrosia as one of her symbols, and Egg of Destroyer as well as work of Amakusa and Mizuki are shown as direct sources to appearance of Yuga in the Human World.

    There are several speculations:
    1)Yuga = Ambrosia. In SS:RPG they just havent created Yuga design yet,
    2)Yuga works under Ambrosia and wants to resurrect dark god (~Ambrosia; actually no facts that Yuga has someone to work on, she rather acts on her own)
    3)Yuga wants her own rebirth as dark god of Makai.

    But basically Yuga fills the same role in SS64-SS:Shinsho arc as Ambrosia had in SS1-SS4.

    And for SS5-SS6 arc (Yuki Entertaiment) main bad guy is demon Kuraki-Sumeragi (Dark Emperor), a demon that appeared firstly in China, his defining features are love to wars and burning everything with green flame. Nevertheless, Ambrosia is mentioned in SS6/Tenkaichi Kenkakuden.
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    Almost forgot SS RPG which, at the moment, is being translated into english. You know what was story in that one?
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