Skipping level 1 Frank

Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
Level 1 frank sucks. We are all aware of it. As such, I thought it would be good to compile a list of all the characters that allow frank to level up, without him needing to be played on point.

Note: Please do not bother posting TACs. We know virtually every character in the game can do a combo and TAC to Frank for a level 3 snapshot. Try to focus on Guaranteed setups.


First, a list of currently known characters that have the ability to DHC into frank's survival tactics (whiff), and let frank snap a photo. Any character with an asterick gets a guaranteed level4+:

Nova* ("Nova burst" super)
Amaterasu*(Okami shuffle)
Dante* (Million Dollars)
Super Skrull* (inferno)
Magneto (Magnetic Shockwave)
Rocket Racoon* (Rock and Roll)
Spencer (Bionic Manuvers)
Spider-Man (Maximum Spider)
Tron Bonne* (Servbot lunch rush super)
Vergil ("Maximum Vergil")
Storm ("Hail storm" Super)
Shuma-Gorath* (Hyper Mystic Smash)
X-23 ("weapon X")
Dr. Doom* ("Air Finger Lasers")
Thor (His air super...I don't know the name)







Setups for Hard Tags:

#1) Mike Haggar: image

Description: Comboing into Haggar's Rapid Fire Fist super (fully mashed) produced an untechable ground bounce long enough to let Frank tag in, call an assist, take a snapshot, and then take another snapshot while the assist is active. Instant level 5 for one bar.



#2) Magneto: image

Description: Straight from the man himself, Desk. Gravity squeeze produced a hard knockdown, and gives you enough time to hard tag in frank, and call assist, snap a photo snap a photo. G-Squeeze produces over 50+ hits by itself (fully mashed), making this an instant level 5 setup for 3 bars. Unsure of practicality (how often are you going to use gravity squeeze and NOT kill the other character?), but worth mentioning.



#3) Trish: image

Description: Literally ANY combo into trish's round harvest super sets frank up for a hard tag, letting him superjump and snap a photo. Costs 1 meter, minimum, and gets frank to level 4 easily. Bonus points for trish not even needing to be on point for this one, all she needs is to be on the team, and to DHC into round trip.

Attendum: The problem with this setup is that frank is vulnerable on the way down from taking a photo, so this is in fact PUNISHABLE ON HIT. Try at your own risk.



#4) Iron Fist: image

Description: Granted, he uses a team super involving dante for it, but dante isn't actually needed here. Combo into QCF+M with iron fist, hard tag in frank, continue combo to snapshot. Costs no meter (assuming no team super at the end), and can easily get frank to level 3, capable of getting frank to level 4 with the right assists. This is a particularly good setup in my opinion, because of how much iron fist want to keep his opponents on the ground, and how much frank helps him out.




#5) Chun-Li: No known vid available as of yet.

Description: Much like Iron fist above, chun can combo into her kikouken (HCF+H~H) for crumple stun. During crumple stun, you can hard tag in frank and combo into camera. You can also call her in for her lightning legs assist, so she can continue the combo further. Level 3 is achievable.

Attendum: Problem with this method, is that you can't use franks assist to help land that first hit. Since her combo's to kikouken are mostly very short, she doesn't combo for long enough to let the cooldown on frank go away, so she can't hard tag him in time. If some of you chun-mainers can come up with some longer crumple combos, she might be amazing though.




#6) Dr. Strange: No vid available

Description: I am sensing a pattern. Combo into impact palm on the ground to cause a crumple state, hard tag to frank. Not a likely setup, since many seem to dislike strange on point. Strange can also help frank once he tags in with eye of avocodo assist. Haven't done any testing, but level 3 is likely. Shares the same problems as the chun li setup, in that frank can't really help strange both set up his crumple and hard tag in.



#7a) Spider-Man: image

Description: Spiderman's Spider sting special with followup (DPM+H~H) causes a high enough ground bounce to allow frank to hard tag in and snap a photo. The combo in the video gets frank to level 3 with no assists, I would imagine getting to level 4 would be possible with some assist help. This looks like frank's real BFF here, considering the mobility of spiderman, and the flexibility of landing a combo into spider sting.

#7b)Spider-Man: image

Description: Spiderman can also set up frank for a hard tag from a web throw. It looks position specific, but the combo does just barely get frank to level 3 with no assist or meter use.



#8) Jill Valentine: image

Description: Jill valentine combos into her wallbounce, then hits with a move that causes groundbounce while the dummy is still up in the air. The height the dummy bounces lets her hard tag to frank to snap a photo. The person in the video uses the wesker assist, I dont know if it's possible for jill to set this hard tag up without it. Regardless, the combo sets up for level 3 frank, and only uses one assist.


#9) Deadpool: image

Description Now here's a neat one. Off of any hard knockdown, deadpool can do katana-rama, into chimichangas, then M teleport and hard tag in frank. gets frank to level 3, and does solid damage as well. Video has more descriptions


#10) She Hulk: image

Description: Fast forward to around the1:17 area for the fun. She hulks does a bnb into her emerald cannon super. The secons hit of the super causes anough hitstun in the air that you can hard tag to another character. The example used it haggar, but I'm confident the setup would work for frank. She hulk lands 18 hits before the hard tag, meaning with the use of an assist, this gets frank easily to level 3. Possibly level 4.


#11 Vergil: image

Description: This combo begins with viper, but she isn't necessary at all for this setup. Vergil combos into a ground bounce, which lets him hard tag to Frank west. Considering the tendency for virgil to have a big number of hits in his combos, this is a likely level 4 setup. As a bonus, frank can snapshot to survival tactics, DHC to demon mode vergil, and hard tag in a SECOND time, for another snapshot.



#12 Nova: image

Description: Frank not actually IN the video, but The setup should work just the same. Nova uses Spencer's assist to combo into crumple stun, and throws out an energy javelin before hard tagging. Does 11 hits after hard tag, easy level 3 if you use the ground bounce assist with nova.





Last thing: Nothing to do with skipping level 1 frank west, but I wanted to put this here:

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This is a video containing a number of THCs, which frank west finishes his super first and has time to snap a photo, or two in some case. Two bars for level 5 frank, with no damage wasted is good to have.



Any other setups people know about, ESPECIALLY for hard tags, please post 'em up.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    I misread your thread title, and assumed this one would be different. Apologies. I still think a consolidated thread for this would be a good Idea though. If you want to keep on with your thread, and just copy past my data to your first post, let me know and I'll stop posting here.


    I added rocket racoon to the list of characters that can DHC to frank and give him their combo. I don't think me linking to the vid in the first post is necessary, since DHC to whiffed survival tactics" is self-explanitory. For anyone curious, here's the video in question:

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  • <Insert Name Here><Insert Name Here> No wonder with people like me SRK Marvel is dead Joined: Posts: 7,933
    Level 1 Frank is underrated.

    EDIT: @zangief2000 Cool down, bro. Your thread was more like "What is your personal method of leveling up" rather than "Let's consolidate different level up methods that get Frank out of Level 1 quickly". Thus, there's no need for you to be offended by this thread/rude to the OP.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Level 1 Frank is underrated.


    I dunno....level 1 frank has really bad mixup potential. It feels like they can just chicken block all day with no real repurcussions. Loses out to zoning pretty bad, has a bunch of overheads, but only one low, which is unsafe...

    Then again, I could just be salty from dealing with an onslaught of Ghost rider. So very, very salty.
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  • KikuichimonjiKikuichimonji Watch out, I know frame data Joined: Posts: 4,585
    Is there a reason you can't use Chun Li instead of Iron fist? She has a crumple attack too.
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  • Ocaml_ftwOcaml_ftw Joined: Posts: 63
    I'm sure you could also use She-Hulk on point and combo into her clothesline then hard tag Frank and continue to combo. Never tried but it might require Spencer how Combofiend does it.
  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Edit to first post: Added chun-li and strange, with She-hulk as a potential frank enabler.
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  • ZansamZansam Frank Time! Joined: Posts: 1,289
    You forgot to add the king of DHC glitch starters, Spencer. Very easy to do, the only problem is Spencer combos don't rack up many hits. If we're looking at vanilla DHC starters I'd also assume deadpool is viable.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    You forgot to add the king of DHC glitch starters, Spencer. Very easy to do, the only problem is Spencer combos don't rack up many hits. If we're looking at vanilla DHC starters I'd also assume deadpool is viable.

    But DHC'ing into frank off of spencer won't let franks super whiff, will it?
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    EDIT: added info on chun li setup.
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  • ZansamZansam Frank Time! Joined: Posts: 1,289
    But DHC'ing into frank off of spencer won't let franks super whiff, will it?

    You bet it will. Just have to DHC after the third hit of bionic maneuvers (where they go flying into the air) instead of the 5th hit. That said, burning 2 meters to do 600kish damage and only get to level 3 isn't terribly efficient resource management (which is why I just bite the bullet and TAC for this team) but Spencer can reliably get frank levels this way.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Added spider man to the list of characters that set up frank for a hard tag, and entered spencer and spider-man as DHC partners for frank, along with virgil.
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  • NaokiB4UNaokiB4U Joined: Posts: 1,266
    Was looking at that new Iron Fist hard tag video and realized Frank can definitely benefit from it. Do a nice long combo using Iron Fist finish it with Dragon's Touch, hard tag into Frank have frank do his own combo and snapshot right after. Considering I use both Frank and Iron fist, I will definitely be checking this out when I get home. For reference here's that Iron Fist video.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Was looking at that new Iron Fist hard tag video and realized Frank can definitely benefit from it. Do a nice long combo using Iron Fist finish it with Dragon's Touch, hard tag into Frank have frank do his own combo and snapshot right after. Considering I use both Frank and Iron fist, I will definitely be checking this out when I get home.


    Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, because my current team is Fist (flying kick)/ Frank(cart)/ Dante(weasel shot). It's REALLY good, off of any random hit from iron fist you get a level 4 frank. No meter spent, level 1 frank need not apply.

    And if iron fist dies? Well, you have meter, right? So if frank lands a hit, THC to instant level 5 frank. Or get dante in there, and DHC to level 5 frank. Too good! I never want to play level 1 frank ever again.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    EDIT: Jill added to hard tag setups. added extra note on the thc section about level 4+.
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  • NaokiB4UNaokiB4U Joined: Posts: 1,266
    Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, because my current team is Fist (flying kick)/ Frank(cart)/ Dante(weasel shot). It's REALLY good, off of any random hit from iron fist you get a level 4 frank. No meter spent, level 1 frank need not apply.

    And if iron fist dies? Well, you have meter, right? So if frank lands a hit, THC to instant level 5 frank. Or get dante in there, and DHC to level 5 frank. Too good! I never want to play level 1 frank ever again.

    Yeah day 1 I just randomly put Frank and Danny on the same team only to discover they synergize well. They also both do a good job of bum rushing from 1 side to the other in a THC combo (Fist of Fury, Blue Light)
  • zUkUuzUkUu Theory Pro Joined: Posts: 4,396
    any character with a crumple move also lets you hard tag into frank. nova for instance.
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  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,778
    Dante has a hard tag setup after a hard knockdown version of sky dance.
    Virgil has a hard tag setup after his lunar phase move if ground bounce hasnt already been used.
  • wayneheadwaynehead Strength: Combos/Weakness: Everything Else Joined: Posts: 113
    What's Nova burst? Is it his hyper that's similar to Super Skrull's Inferno?
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  • ZansamZansam Frank Time! Joined: Posts: 1,289
    two things to point for for the OP:

    1 Skrull's inferno is a guaranteed level 4; just like Nova's you have to cancel it a few hits prior so it's a hard knockdown instead of a flip-out

    2 The problem with Trish's roundharvest level up approach (and the reason I don't use it), is that if you take a snapshot in the air, you're vulnerable until you land. The character will recover before you land, and can easily punish you for it.
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,575
    Loads of synergy with Jill/Frank/Strider

    Here's some stuff I whipped up a few weeks ago that lets you get Level 3/4 Frank.

    with Jill: j.HS,sMH,2H,4H,22S,Somersault, j.HS, [jMMHS, MMHxxCALL STRIDER.S,s.S,Arrow Kick,Double KneeDrop,22S,Somersault, Raven Spike, DHC into Survival Techniques, SnapShot.

    With Jill, you can do the same exact combo (minus Strider) from full screen and after the jump loops (can only do one), Somersault into Machine Gun Hyper, then DHC into his Cart special then Snap a shot right after for insta level 4/5.

    After Jill's Double Knee Drop, you can easily raw tag frank for a snap shot in as well.
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  • JohypnolJohypnol Freeter Parker Joined: Posts: 228
    posted this in the team thread

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    the first raw tag setup is kind of cheating, web zip combos only work on standing opponents and no one is standing that often. the web throw set up is corner specific.

    it's okay though because there's a newer spider man bnb which gets over 20 hits assist less anywhere on screen. also in that video was some thc peculiarity: doing a thc right after raw tagging with 2 meters will do one between frank and the 3rd slot character, so putting one of his thc friends in that slot yields greater benefits than spending 2 meters to use the dhc set up off of maximum spider just to get level 4 for more trouble than it's worth
  • lycanscar950lycanscar950 Joined: Posts: 69
    Amaterasu's okami shuffle can get frank to lv 4
  • Cito48Cito48 Joined: Posts: 425
    image

    frank to level 5 with nova 2 bars
  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Sorry for the long wait for any first post updates. Between finals and the holidays, it's just hard right now. I don't even own a copy of the game to test this stuff at the moment.

    Thanks for the patience all.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Amaterasu's okami shuffle can get frank to lv 4

    Right, but can I DHC to frank and snap a photo? I'm not compiling THCs in this thread....
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  • lycanscar950lycanscar950 Joined: Posts: 69
    yea as the lightning is carring them up ward u can dhc into tools of survival and snap a shot since it causes a hardknock down
  • Cito48Cito48 Joined: Posts: 425
    my nova one only works in training mode for whateever reason :(
  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    First post edit: added a video on thc compatible characters, added a list of probable characters that set up frank for a hard tag tat I have no video evidence for at the moment, and added Deadpool as a definitive hard tag setup, with video.
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  • evilleeevillee I Ruuku I Joined: Posts: 301
    For the hard tag section, anytime Frank has 1 meter during survival tactics hyper he can DHC into any character with a power up hyper then hard tag back in to get a snapshot. So you can do it with Wolverine, Amaterasu, Ryu, Vergil, Dante, Arthur, Firebrand, and Hsien-Ko. Please correct me if I forgot anyone.
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  • Merkyl999xMerkyl999x Crazy X-23 Guy Joined: Posts: 2,210
    I posted the vid proof in the other Frank level up thread, but x-23 WXP super (DP+2atk) gives you spinning knockdown and easy whiff super with frank. It's only 15 hits from the super, but it's not hard at all to have a 34 hit combo with x-23 and on hulk and sentinel (maybe nem too, haven't tested tho) you don't even need the otg assist for the super. So easy level 4 or 5 depending on the assists you have to follow up with.
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  • wayneheadwaynehead Strength: Combos/Weakness: Everything Else Joined: Posts: 113
    For the hard tag section, anytime Frank has 1 meter during survival tactics hyper he can DHC into any character with a power up hyper then hard tag back in to get a snapshot. So you can do it with Wolverine, Amaterasu, Ryu, Vergil, Dante, Arthur, Firebrand, and Hsien-Ko. Please correct me if I forgot anyone.
    Pretty much any Hyper that would be used in the DHC glitch in vanilla.
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  • PatesterPatester PIPE Joined: Posts: 41
    I can't see it listed* so: Thor's Air Mighty Tornado works in a similar way to Nova & Skrull. I've not tested it properly, but I'm sure the character/dummy teched out if you let the hyper go the full course. DHCing after 30 hits seems to be legit for a Pic.










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  • MyLegBrokeMyLegBroke Joined: Posts: 161
    Is there any way to DHC survival tactics to Wesker counter, hard tag, and snap a photo? I can't seem to make it work.

    Also, is it possible to snap a photo reliably or at all after blue light special?

    My team is Wesker/Frank/Doom.
  • Blue LightningBlue Lightning Portuguese Fighter Joined: Posts: 860
    Why can't you make it work? Does Wesker's counter last too long? If so, DHC into Wesker before Survival techniques' final hit (when the enemy is the highest possible during the hyper) and see if it works.

    Also, in my experience you can only take a picture after BLS if you XFC. Unless you can somehow link it if you did BLS right after a level 3/4 OTG ToS (hammer) so that they're higher when they wallbounce and you get more time to combo.
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  • MyLegBrokeMyLegBroke Joined: Posts: 161
    Why can't you make it work? Does Wesker's counter last too long? If so, DHC into Wesker before Survival techniques' final hit (when the enemy is the highest possible during the hyper) and see if it works.

    Also, in my experience you can only take a picture after BLS if you XFC. Unless you can somehow link it if you did BLS right after a level 3/4 OTG ToS (hammer) so that they're higher when they wallbounce and you get more time to combo.

    Yeah... The counter seems to take too long before the opponent is able to recover for a hard tag. Is there a specific point in survival tactics that anyone has found for this to work?
  • Chaotic TonicChaotic Tonic Joined: Posts: 1
    Sweet i noticed my hard tag with iron fist setup was actually posted on here. I just made a new on messing around its mostly just a concept. It gets level 3 but i'm fairly certain level 4 wouldn't be an issue. Let me know if you get level 5 from a setup like this one. image
  • Blue LightningBlue Lightning Portuguese Fighter Joined: Posts: 860
    Yeah... The counter seems to take too long before the opponent is able to recover for a hard tag. Is there a specific point in survival tactics that anyone has found for this to work?

    It would seem you're out of luck :/ I tried this myself and I can't find any timing that would allow you to hard tag into frank and let him take a picture =/
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  • xbtranxbtran Joined: Posts: 17
    Vergil can get Frank to lvl 4 with only one bar. I've only tried one set up, but I'm sure most of Vergil's Spiral Sword combos ending in Lunar Phase will do over 50 hits and allow you to hard tag Frank in and get a shot, assuming you haven't used Vergil's ground bounce yet.
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    I have a setup with shuma for instant level 5 frank. I combo into mystic stare then xx hyper mystic smash and then dhc into frank. The super whiffs, take photo, then the eyeballs explode as soon as I take the photo, allowing me to launch or just take another photo.
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  • PatesterPatester PIPE Joined: Posts: 41
    Sweet i noticed my hard tag with iron fist setup was actually posted on here. I just made a new on messing around its mostly just a concept. It gets level 3 but i'm fairly certain level 4 wouldn't be an issue. Let me know if you get level 5 from a setup like this one. image


    I'm pretty sure Demonphoenix237 (UK player) has a nasty set up with Nova (Centurian Rush) and Iron Fist (Rising Fang). I'm certain it's a huge Level 4 and possibly as Level 5.
  • evilleeevillee I Ruuku I Joined: Posts: 301
    I'm almost sure that you have enough time to hard tag Frank during She-Hulk's level 1 if you don't input the last part.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    I'm almost sure that you have enough time to hard tag Frank during She-Hulk's level 1 if you don't input the last part.


    Good call. First post edited, with video proof to boot.
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  • ZansamZansam Frank Time! Joined: Posts: 1,289
    Yeah... The counter seems to take too long before the opponent is able to recover for a hard tag. Is there a specific point in survival tactics that anyone has found for this to work?

    Only Power up-hypers (Ryu, Arthur, Firebrand, Wolverine, etc etc) work for that approach. They all recover very quickly (4 frames or so) whereas counters (Strange, Wesker, Task) all cover in 15+ frames. There's just not enough time to hard tag for the photo.
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  • Pandaman64Pandaman64 Joined: Posts: 190
    Added hard tag setups for Vergil and Nova, with video. Updated DHC list with Doom and Thor.
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  • mexiwontmexiwont resident mexican Joined: Posts: 1,722
    Just found a guaranteed setup with Dorm, pretty sure I can get it to level 4 with a little work, I'll post videos later if I can.
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  • dreamborndreamborn Joined: Posts: 9
    you can hard tag after dorms 2 red 1 blue explosion for a snap, the assist version offers 3 snaps.
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  • mexiwontmexiwont resident mexican Joined: Posts: 1,722
    True, but my method gets you more xp than a hard tag and doesn't require you or the assist to have hand power ups stocked.

    Update: having issues with uploading the vids, but was able to find another method with Dorm in training mode while I was at it.

    1. After a smash from a launch combo you can do stalking flare dhc to cart for otg, you then have time to super jump and snapshot. In some cases you can do a knee drop then snapshot. This combo requires certain spacing from the corner though, and does not work with the opponent in the corner. Play with it a bit and you'll figure it out. I was able to get to level 4 with a relaunch and was able to find ways to make the combo work from most screen positions by playing with relaunches, teleports, dhc timing and neutral jumping after launch.

    2. Just got a vid of this one that I'll upload tomorrow. Works close to the corner but requires 3 red hands. After your standard combo and a smash you can do liberation xx stalking flare dhc to survival techniques (whiff) super jump and snapshot. Was able to go corner to corner with a relaunch midscreen and got to level 4 Frank.
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  • Merkyl999xMerkyl999x Crazy X-23 Guy Joined: Posts: 2,210
    Shout outs to NonSexualRice for finding it with Jill. Since you can follow up off of shopping cart as long as they're at the right height, there's probably a lot of supers that as long as you time the DHC to cart right will allow you either an S relaunch with frank or snap right away. (I hope this works cause I am dying to get a decent way to level up frank off my girls...) On Felicia, the last hit before her big swipe cause a soft knockdown so I bet dhc into cart might work for her. There might be something off of X-23's Rage Trigger too... I'll run some tests and let you know what I find. #hoperenewed
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  • mexiwontmexiwont resident mexican Joined: Posts: 1,722
    Sweet, I figured the method was known, I'm just glad I was able to apply it to my team.

    Video of the second combo I was talking about: image

    Still having trouble with the other video so I'll have to re-record when I get a chance. Here's a bonus I had laying around for now. image
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  • ZansamZansam Frank Time! Joined: Posts: 1,289
    That first dorm setup isn't worth using in a match though; Frank's prone until he lands and there's plenty of the cast that can punish him hard for it. It's the same problem Trish Round Harvest setups run into.
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