A Litany of Hate: The Front Page Sucks

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  • GoldfishXGoldfishX Joined: Posts: 488
    I will say this: I actually found the article on the psychology behind fighting games pretty valuable in approaching some things (clustering) and I'm looking forward to the followup (s). On the other hand...That one Megaman article was garbage and more than a little irritating.

    For me, the front page is usually hit or miss, but I check it out anyway and roll with the hits. But that Megaman article...pew! Attacking the fanbase is somewhere you want to tread lightly with. Seth's Domination articles are an example how to call out fan behavior properly.
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  • SweetJohnnyVSweetJohnnyV Streets ahead! Joined: Posts: 1,981 mod
    Read the second paragraph, then read my closing paragraph, afterwards go fuck yourself.

    LOL! If it makes you feel any better, I took the time to go and read the whole thing.

    I had a good feeling what you were going on about, which is half of the reason I didn't read it. However, I would feel remiss if I didn't point out the irony that you wrote a post about how bad and hard it is to digest the front page of SRK by writing a post that is long enough to be hard to digest itself. I don't mean any disrespect by that, but it is at least a little bit amusing. I'm hoping in hindsight you'll agree. After all, if you can't laugh at yourself, well...there's always dead baby jokes ;)
    On the plus side, thank you very much for working damn hard to give HDR a chance.

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  • SurenioSurenio Joined: Posts: 1,108
    If I recall the writing position for srk was advertised as a paid position, how they are paid I do not know, but I do remember reading that. That said, just makes the quality and the management of the front page even more unacceptable.
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    If I recall the writing position for srk was advertised as a paid position, how they are paid I do not know, but I do remember reading that. That said, just makes the quality and the management of the front page even more unacceptable.
    They also wanted examples of your writing when you applied so it's even more puzzling.

    There's only been 2 good post IMO, the Psychology article and the article about current footage of old games. The balance article was okay because it's the cold hard truth.

    The Dreamhack whining, the "why aren't there half assed custom weapons in SCV like in SCIII" article and the "fightan games sexualize women and I'm ignoring them sexualizing men" article were absolute shit and makes me wonder if you're purposely trying to generate hate.
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    5) Fuck other people, you write for us.
    Who is "us"?
    They write for a larger group of readers to generate views and make dat $$$
    If a stupid article generates views for being stupid, it's still a success.
    Such is fate of the videogame news racket.
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  • c001357c001357 Time Wizard Joined: Posts: 577
    if srk pays its writes to write crap that gets readers in then nothing can be expected to change
    i mean the opinionated writing style for example clearly attracts arguments so theyre included just to have another random rant in the comments

    d3v however needs to be cut asap
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    That's what I feared, and if that's true it's really unfortunate. I hope they can patch up whatever the trouble is. SRK used to be THE source for fighting game info. That won't last if they continue to filter out relevant media.
    Well you couldn't be assed to read the first post so I'm not really surprised you think CC is good.
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • ValarisValaris keeping watch over SRK Joined: Posts: 13,079
    When I first applied for the position I was sad I had missed the cut off. Now that I look back on it, I don't think I could handle the hate and the pressure.
    I slept with admins so I could get my join date changed. 
  • CLU 2CLU 2 Capcom's gonna get sued for that ass. Joined: Posts: 5,710
    When I first applied for the position I was sad I had missed the cut off. Now that I look back on it, I don't think I could handle the hate and the pressure.

    Except you write competently.

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  • Spooty WhiteboySpooty Whiteboy I must break you! Joined: Posts: 2,777
    Bring back Keits!

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  • Lord_RaptorLord_Raptor Joined: Posts: 8,810
    As terrible as all the articles are, the d3v ones are the worse. Makes me wanna do the usal SRK action of pushing women down stairs.
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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    Bring back Keits!

    #occupySRK
    It's largely possible Keits, as the "Editor-in-chief" of Shoryuken.com, is responsible for this mess.

    Edit: I'm not against a the actual new people being responsible for posting news and editorials, but he is ultimately responsible for the content. If the quality of the site goes down in response to direct moneygrabbing blog stuff, then he's probably responsible (that, or wiz dictating it downward or something). I kind of like some of the dudes posting (Drexcyian or w/e and that joystick article guy both provide really good original content imo).
  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    That said, maybe this will get more people so who knows. The only problem I have with it is if you grow the community in the wrong ways, you are probably going to permanently alter it in the long run, and you ahve to be careful about that. There might be good ways to make the site money without taking d3vs retarded capcom-unity forum rage out on your userbase.

    Edit: That's literally what he made an article about, a direct response to him getting mad at a large portion of capcom's fanbase posting about how one of the most important and popular characters the company owns is not in the game and telling them to shut up even though it's very obvious he's not in the game for political reasons and not for an actual good one lol
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    Edit: That's literally what he made an article about, a direct response to him getting mad at a large portion of capcom's fanbase posting about how one of the most important and popular characters the company owns is not in the game and telling them to shut up even though it's very obvious he's not in the game for political reasons and not for an actual good one lol
    what article is that?
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  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    That said, maybe this will get more people so who knows. The only problem I have with it is if you grow the community in the wrong ways, you are probably going to permanently alter it in the long run, and you ahve to be careful about that. There might be good ways to make the site money without taking d3vs retarded capcom-unity forum rage out on your userbase.

    Edit: That's literally what he made an article about, a direct response to him getting mad at a large portion of capcom's fanbase posting about how one of the most important and popular characters the company owns is not in the game and telling them to shut up even though it's very obvious he's not in the game for political reasons and not for an actual good one lol
    What "political" reasons?
    You did not go back in time, this is how the forums look.
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  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,920 mod
    Who is "us"?
    They write for a larger group of readers to generate views and make dat $$$
    If a stupid article generates views for being stupid, it's still a success.
    Such is fate of the videogame news racket.

    People writing for a website dedicated to a competitive fighting game community should be writing for that competitive audience. I thought I'd made it clear in the article but, through sloppy editing on my end, I forgot that the "us" at the end could have been misconstrued to mean people other than those who frequent this website the most. Wait a minute...
    Considering that these people are writing for a website which houses a forum for competitive players...


    Get together as a group of writers and do something worthwhile for beginners and then move on quickly into your competitive players.


    But touche. I'll leave it as is for now since a lot of people have liked the original as is. I'm not going to edit it because I would consider it unethical in some sort of internet fashion. But I guess I'll make sure to make things more obvious for our slower readers.
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  • bitCrusherbitCrusher The Casual Fighter Joined: Posts: 147
    Most of the complaints were legitimate OP. All of your harsh and graphic metaphors were unnecessary and made you sound like an adolescent though.
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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    What "political" reasons?
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  • TerrastormTerrastorm Joined: Posts: 263
    I really don't like that combos videos(I don't think these are even article worthy, even the video roundups that get posted way too often) and opinion pieces bump down actual news.
  • the7kthe7k Kitty Pride. Joined: Posts: 5,574
    I wanna see all the video articles consolidated into one organized post each day. Organize it by genre, like episodes (Assist Me, Why We Hate You, etc.), tournament vids, in-depth tutorials, combo vids and comedy. Then organize it within those genres by game, such as SF4, MvC3, KOFXIII, etc.

    The only time we should be seeing a vid take up its own article is if it's something huge, like a new character getting revealed for some game or something... in which case it's not really the video that is the news, it's the new reveal that is the news.

    I honestly don't hate EVERY article on the front page, I just feel like they are mostly wasted potential because they didn't spend nearly enough time in the cooker. For example, that article on controllers - how the hell you going to talk about PS3/360 stock controllers and NOT get an interview with Fanatiq, Wolfkrone and other pad players? If they had small interviews with players who represented that style of controller with their opinions on using it, the learning curve, tips & tricks, etc., the article would have been much better.

    I think the most important thing to remember, though, is that this site is for those who are competitive, and those who want to become competitive. As long as each article is made with that in mind, I think we'll all be in better shape.
    "Comebacks are fine as long as I'm the one doing them. Otherwise, they are evidence of a broken, poorly balanced game and it's all because of poor netcode and in-game lag due to poor port optimization and it was a terrible matchup and they need to patch the game and I should have won that and why does anyone even play this awful, fraud friendly game."
  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,920 mod

    I honestly don't hate EVERY article on the front page, I just feel like they are mostly wasted potential because they didn't spend nearly enough time in the cooker. For example, that article on controllers - how the hell you going to talk about PS3/360 stock controllers and NOT get an interview with Fanatiq, Wolfkrone and other pad players?

    Why would an article directed at new players who are confused as to what to use to play these games need interviews?
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    People writing for a website dedicated to a competitive fighting game community should be writing for that competitive audience.
    Most of the "community" right now are not competitive players, but casual viewers, in case you haven't noticed.
    The front page (a news outlet) is mostly for them, not for you nor me, as news is the lowest form of content and easiest to produce.
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  • the7kthe7k Kitty Pride. Joined: Posts: 5,574
    Why would an article directed at new players who are confused as to what to use to play these games need interviews?
    Getting info from proven players who rely on those controllers for making money would be more helpful to new players than a list of pros and cons. They can tell you more about a controller and what is (and isn't) possible with it than anyone else.

    And honestly, I was looking into the article because I am planning to make the switch from pad to stick because of KOFXIII's strict direction inputs. If the article could have given me some info that either convinced me to stick with a pad, or info to make the transition from pad to stick easier, then it would have been a lot more helpful.
    "Comebacks are fine as long as I'm the one doing them. Otherwise, they are evidence of a broken, poorly balanced game and it's all because of poor netcode and in-game lag due to poor port optimization and it was a terrible matchup and they need to patch the game and I should have won that and why does anyone even play this awful, fraud friendly game."
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    Getting info from proven players who rely on those controllers for making money would be more helpful to new players than a list of pros and cons.
    I hope it's just a form of expression and you don't really think making money makes your view more valid...
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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    I hope it's just a form of expression and you don't really think making money makes your view more valid...
    Uh, it certainly helps a lot.
  • the7kthe7k Kitty Pride. Joined: Posts: 5,574
    I hope it's just a form of expression and you don't really think making money makes your view more valid...
    Yeah, it's a form of expression. I guess I should have said something different, but you know - they use them in high-stress environments. It's not like they're just dicking around with friends or something.
    "Comebacks are fine as long as I'm the one doing them. Otherwise, they are evidence of a broken, poorly balanced game and it's all because of poor netcode and in-game lag due to poor port optimization and it was a terrible matchup and they need to patch the game and I should have won that and why does anyone even play this awful, fraud friendly game."
  • HonzogonzoHonzogonzo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Joined: Posts: 3,302
    Why would an article directed at new players who are confused as to what to use to play these games need interviews?

    bc then you can have opinions on the interviews and videos inserted of them playing so we can shove as much info down their throat as possible, because that is what makes things gooder
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    I really hope the OP never becomes a front page writer. Most of the articles are better written than that.
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    Uh, it certainly helps a lot.
    No.
    Yeah, it's a form of expression. I guess I should have said something different, but you know - they use them in high-stress environments. It's not like they're just dicking around with friends or something.
    Ok then.
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    I'd apply for front page writer only if Keits let me do every article in Hulk speak.

    HULK WANT TO HELP NEW PLAYERS GET BETTER BUT HULK ONLY KNOWS H. SO INSTEAD HULK GETS HELP FROM PUNY TOP PLAYERS WHO USE MORE BUTTONS AND HAS INTERVIEW!! HULK START WITH FIRST QUESTION: COMBOFIEND WHY YOU NO USE H MORE?
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    I'd apply for front page writer only if Keits let me do every article in Hulk speak.

    HULK WANT TO HELP NEW PLAYERS GET BETTER BUT HULK ONLY KNOWS H. SO INSTEAD HULK GETS HELP FROM PUNY TOP PLAYERS WHO USE MORE BUTTONS AND HAS INTERVIEW!! HULK START WITH FIRST QUESTION: COMBOFIEND WHY YOU NO USE H MORE?
    That would actually be an improvement in most cases now. lol
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    I'd apply for front page writer only if Keits let me do every article in Hulk speak.

    HULK WANT TO HELP NEW PLAYERS GET BETTER BUT HULK ONLY KNOWS H. SO INSTEAD HULK GETS HELP FROM PUNY TOP PLAYERS WHO USE MORE BUTTONS AND HAS INTERVIEW!! HULK START WITH FIRST QUESTION: COMBOFIEND WHY YOU NO USE H MORE?

    I would definitely read that.
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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    No.


    Ok then.
    No, it seriously does. If you really think that a person who makes money does have a more weighted opinion when it comes to e-sports hardware (excluding direct sponsor bias) then you are a fucking idiot.

    Like, if SOME DUDE vs A PRO told me something about monitor response time for pro FPS play, who do you think is going to, by chance, have a more educated opinion here? Same applies to controllers.
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    Fresh Lettuce?

    Are we fucking serious? Stop making accounts plz.

    Also are we gonna make a thread complaining about the front page every week?

    This is a site for video games played mostly by teens and young "adults", I wouldn't expect anything deep and life altering to come from it if I were ya'll.
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    This is the only account I've had here?
  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    No, it seriously does. If you really think that a person who makes money does have a more weighted opinion when it comes to e-sports hardware (excluding direct sponsor bias) then you are a fucking idiot.

    Like, if SOME DUDE vs A PRO told me something about monitor response time for pro FPS play, who do you think is going to, by chance, have a more educated opinion here? Same applies to controllers.

    No, there's a difference between a 'good player' and a 'pro'.
    A pro can be worse than "just a good player" but he plays the "right" game at the "right" place. (Which has nothing to do with the quality of his view.)
    Ogawa doesn't get paid for playing (he's not a "pro") but 'Noah the prodigy' is sponsored. So fucking what? If I could choose to take advice about fighting games from either one I'd pick Ogawa.
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  • Ben PerkinsBen Perkins Joined: Posts: 6,758
    When I first applied for the position I was sad I had missed the cut off. Now that I look back on it, I don't think I could handle the hate and the pressure.

    I was afraid of that too, until I saw how people are desperately looking for good content. I'm going to apply next time. I won't be the writer SRK deserves...

    I'll be the one it needs.
  • Noble CactusNoble Cactus 56k Days Joined: Posts: 8,476
    Most of the complaints were legitimate OP. All of your harsh and graphic metaphors were unnecessary and made you sound like an adolescent though.
    I'm not usually one to say this, but ^

    It certainly was a funny read (though low-brow, but hey, it doesn't hurt sometimes. Still, it's too easy to be angry on the Internet), and it makes strong points. Written like that, though, Keits and Co. are never going to take the post seriously. Maybe make an edited, reasoned, straightforward draft and work from there to make an appeal to the front page. Really, it's the only way things are going to change.
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