A Litany of Hate: The Front Page Sucks

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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    Eventhubs is a lot easier and faster to read and to comment, plus they get all their shit first. I check eventhubs for any news, but srk has the best forums.

    Yeah, why do I have to make a separate account from my forums account to post on the front page? Like, seriously?
  • The DamnedThe Damned Hope: You can't believe in it Joined: Posts: 10,984 mod
    (I'm not sure why you would want to post on the front page anyway. Almost nothing constructive is ever said in the comments section.)

    Ah, so this is the thread you were talking about, Pertho; thanks for the link.

    I unfortunately have to agree with most of the grievances in the original post from what little I've paid attention to the front page--having given up on it a while ago--after the writers were "hired" or whatever. I, also, unfortunately have to agree to cursing so much in the original post isn't really helping you get your valid points across any better, Pertho--I admittedly probably curse more than you (or a lot of people), but I know when not to do that as well (partly due to knowing that it's a bad habit); this is one of those instances.

    I'll try to make this concise for once, which means I'll fail because I'm the best at what I do and what I do is long-winded posts. I don't think I need to read most of the articles that people have been speaking poorly of lately--that women's one, for example--to get at the real problems with the front page as it is just from the content I see rapidly scrolling that feed-box at the top:
    First and foremost, please leave your damn opinion out of the article as much as possible. We don't need opinion pieces on most things--even things that have at least some valid points, like Renegade's guest editorial*, as opposed to none--as it is, much less opinion pieces on things from people who obviously don't know what in Hades's name they're about talking with regards to the issue at hand. It's true that nothing's ever going to be completely objective, but there's no reason that a news article that consists of only a paragraph or two before yet another embedded video needs to be so egregiously biased one way or the other or have any opinion at all.

    There is really no reason to have individual articles, especially repeatedly and in such rapid succession, that are essentially just videos of (the same damn) characters or teams doing random combos, however flashy they may be. If people are interested in those characters, then they will go the sub-forums for those characters if they haven't already. It might get the character (slightly) more exposure perhaps, yes...at least if it sticks around long enough to be noticed, which it typically doesn't nowadays. Still, I don't exactly see people flocking to Thor even though he's had videos since UMvC3 dropped for example and had quite a few videos mid-way through MvC3's life span; we certainly don't need videos on characters that are already hella overplayed like UMvC3's "Trenchcoat Trio".

    At most, if any individual (character) video "articles" should be on the front page at all, it seems like they should be restricted to games that aren't out yet or upcoming DLC characters for those games or games that already out. That's it.

    Related to the above, please stop just linking to the latest Youtube things put out by Desk or Maximilian or whomever that has channel that regularly updates with certain games as individual posts. While both of the examples do good work and are far from character-specific, at this point in time, I imagine that most people who are interested in their work are already subscribed to them on Youtube. Sure, there will always be some stragglers who miss out, but tough luck; it's not like that stuff doesn't get posted in the forums either given how popular it is.

    With that said (and I'm sure my brain-addled arse is forgetting something), here's what the front page should be for IMO:
    News on upcoming fighting games: This is one of only two things that the front page, as of late, seems to have been good about. Even not keeping up with the front page, it seems to be overall fair (from a headline standpoint--I can't attest to content) to games besides just Capcom ones like MK9, KOFXIII, Blazblue, Tekken and even upcoming games like Skullgirls and whatever Daemon Bride is. That's good. Actually, that's great. More content needs to be as valid as this.

    News on upcoming "big" tournaments: This includes giving visible, accurate results, which seems to all too often either be lacking entirely or spread apart unnecessarily; it's understandable if the tournament is spread apart over a couple or more days like Evo, of course, even though games there seem to take only about two days max. Beyond that, I'm admittedly not sure what qualifies as "big" and what doesn't, but I'd imagine regular tournament organizers would be willing to help clarify that if the need arises.

    Articles to help newer players: It's not exactly a huge or even necessary thing, especially since like the sub-character forums, Newbie Saikyo Dojo is right there--hell, it's literally the first sub-forum you see when you come into SRK's forums now, as it should be. Still, there's nothing wrong with trying to help new(er) players out, whether they want to be competitive or not. We'd just need someone who knows what the hell they were talking about like Seth Killian's old Domination 101 articles so as not to lead people further astray. I say this even if some articles might end up being about only individual games since obviously things in one game aren't always applicable in another.

    News on whatever legal-related issues arise in or are directed towards the fighting game community: This might be a rather uncommon thing, but I feel it's still valid given it comes up from time to time. It certain helps that UltraDavid seems like he's the only damn person who has been on the front page who can write an article without being conspicuously biased, even when he's giving background on himself; it's good to see that law school paid off for someone considering what a failure America's educational system is. Anyway, I suppose anything arcade-related would technically go here too.

    Interviews with ("big") players: If you must. I personally couldn't care much less myself, but that's more because of personal views than it being utterly invalid. I don't think they should take much precedence, but they certainly shouldn't be verboten to talk about. Technically, I would put documentaries like Bang the Machine here too.

    Video compilations: As said above, this certainly shouldn't be a forbidden topic. Desk, Maximilian, combo videos and even character videos that further explore characters can all have their place on the front page, they just don't need their own damn articles to do so. Preferably, this could be done in regular intervals--since even now, the compilation stuff seems extremely sporadic and rapid--like once, twice or even thrice a week. There is no reason to do this everyday. None. I mean, even though I expected the front page to be a lot more active than usual after UMvC3 came out, it's been utterly absurd about posting UMvC3 videos of literally anything. That's not needed. At all. Similarly, you don't need to embed everything unless you literally can't link on the front page. You can only embed so many videos at once before people's browsers start rightly bitching at you.

    That's it baring a few possible exceptions that I'm likely forgetting right now in my haze of hatred or that would naturally arise over time.

    The front page as it is right now is a bloated, self-righteously opinionated monstrosity. It repeatedly defecates all over itself due its own gluttony when it comes to trying to get "new & fresh" content that's utterly impossible to ultimately follow because of how rapidly it fades from sight as it gets pushed further down in the muck pile. That monstrosity needs to be slain. Swiftly.


    *With regards to the "Wesker: Not Overpowered" article, it is a rather excellent example to ("briefly") talk about here. It is, first and foremost, an opinion piece that isn't really needed. Even though Renegade has some valid points, they neither actually address the issue at hand ultimately--all it "proved" is that Wesker wasn't broken/unbeatable, which isn't nearly the same thing as overpowered--or have that much objectivity behind them; Renegade at least admits up front that he plays Wesker even if he doesn't seem to think it colors his opinion as much as I'd argue it seems to.

    Would it work as a good thread starter for a thread in forums even with those flaws? Absolutely yes. Is it front page material? I'd argue absolutely not, especially since it seems like that utterly dumb, knee-jerk "The Only Problem With MvC3 Is...You" "article" from nine months back. That was just an egregious opinion piece that only served to piss people off even more before Sentinel got knee-jerk nerfed; Renegade's piece isn't nearly as condescending, but it's flawed all the same.

    Yes, a lot of people are always going to be dissatisfied. Yes, a lot of people are idiots (which is why I never go the front page; if I wanted to stupid comments, I have literally every other part of the Internet). Yes, a lot of people bitch about things that shouldn't be bitched even if they have no idea what they're actually talking about.

    *waits to be accused of this*

    That still doesn't mean that we need any opinion pieces at all on the front page.

    Finally, Renegade's guest editorial is already another fine example of a large part of what's wrong with the current front page: Despite it apparently being a big enough deal to both be a "guest editorial" and to still be featured at the top of front page itself, if you were only aware of the front page from the forums ticker as many people, including myself, are, you wouldn't even know it existed even though it's less than 12 hours old as of this posting.
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  • nameingwaynameingway I say thee nay Joined: Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I don't understand any of the complaints except for the one mentioning too many combo videos and maybe one article that I read of d3v's. The articles I chose to read were thought out and written well. So I say keep on moving don't stop now.

    that's because you're fucking stupid.
  • RedbeardRedbeard Redbeard Senchou Joined: Posts: 3,317
    that's because you're fucking stupid.
    I like how this is becoming common knowledge. :rofl:
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  • RenegadeRenegade Joined: Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I like how you're somehow the expert on what "belongs" on the front page.


    Before Keits was hired, the front page was updated once every month or so, now it serves as a functional blogroll and community figurehead in an age where forums are going the way of the dinosaur.

    How are Editorial/Opinion pieces out of place? CNN has them on the front page. Newspapers have them. Why not SRK?

    Sure, the post could belong in the forum... but hell if I'm going to spend 2 hours writing a well thought out piece to only have 80 people read it.

    The wesker issue was the dominant point of discussion over NEC weekend. It is VERY topical to address the issue at hand.

    You also fail to mention I do touch on PLENTY of options to defeat Wesker, making it also somewhat of a strategy article as well.

    Almost all the strategy/metagame content on SRK's front page now is done in video form, so it's a good change of pace to do a written piece.



    While the "Only thing wrong w/ MvC3... is You" was certainly condescending... It was also 100% correct.

    The only reason Sentinel was smushing people in February is because people wanted to use spider man/shuma/viewtiful joe and refuse to block ever.


    I think that I main Wesker on point specifically qualifies me to write this article as opposed to "makes me biased".

    I'm telling you "He's still good, and fits on every team. But he's not as strong as he was, and his matchups as a whole got worse"

    You know who agrees with me? KillerKai and Viscant. Maybe you heard of them.
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  • GwynLovesMilkGwynLovesMilk Joined: Posts: 6,096
    I agree with Pertho.

    But no matter how many people agree with him and want things to change, it won't change anything.

    Wizard is stubborn as fuck.

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  • SuperkewlSuperkewl Pong Boom Joined: Posts: 123
    The correct punctuation you are looking for is "did not" instead of "didn't".

    "Didn't" is the contracted form of did not. You are mistaken sir.
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  • HonzogonzoHonzogonzo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Joined: Posts: 3,302
    blargh

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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Stuff

    Oh other Wesker players agree with you that really counters the claim of biasedness. To be honest I agree with you to an extent that he's not wholly broken, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think he's a bit ridiculous in his current form. Your whole article kind of screams "I play wesker and I don't want to hear complaints about him or get him nerfs so I'm going to talk down about him."

    Oh and front page sucks really bad.
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  • RenegadeRenegade Joined: Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Oh other Wesker players agree with you that really counters the claim of biasedness.


    Don't you think that people who would know wesker's weaknesses and what he loses to best would be.... (gasp) Wesker players?

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  • HonzogonzoHonzogonzo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Joined: Posts: 3,302
    Don't you think that people who would know wesker's weaknesses and what he loses to best would be.... (gasp) Wesker players?

    This is not refuting any claim of bias, since the same wesker players have more of an incentive to downplay the status of the character. Maybe going so far as creating an article about it and getting it stickied on eventhubs srk's front page.
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  • RenegadeRenegade Joined: Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    This is not refuting any claim of bias, since the same wesker players have more of an incentive to downplay the status of the character. Maybe going so far as creating an article about it and getting it stickied on eventhubs srk's front page.

    Dude. I played Wesker/Tron/Phoenix in MvC3.

    You think I care enough what people think of my character choices that I'd create an editorial to downplay the effectiveness of said character? That I have some "say wesker isn't OP so I get props for using him" agenda?

    Please.

    I don't give a crap if my character choices are "respected". There are two types of people whose character choices are "respected": losers and Combofiend.
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  • HonzogonzoHonzogonzo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Joined: Posts: 3,302
    Dude. I played Wesker/Tron/Phoenix in MvC3.

    You think I care enough what people think of my character choices that I'd create an editorial to downplay the effectiveness of said character? That I have some "say wesker isn't OP so I get props for using him" agenda?

    Please.

    I don't give a crap if my character choices are "respected". There are two types of people whose character choices are "respected": losers and Combofiend.

    I never used the word respected and insuiating that I am a loser and/or combofiend is baseless.
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  • DankeDanke Superior Tech. Joined: Posts: 1,302
    Dude. I played Wesker/Tron/Phoenix in MvC3.

    You think I care enough what people think of my character choices that I'd create an editorial to downplay the effectiveness of said character? That I have some "say wesker isn't OP so I get props for using him" agenda?

    Please.

    I don't give a crap if my character choices are "respected". There are two types of people whose character choices are "respected": losers and Combofiend.

    Well in a word, yes. Outside of Wesker I'm hard pressed to name another character in his echelon of ridiculousness meaning that you're going to have a tougher time picking really good characters; which by the way I respect. But to say that you and other Wesker players have no stake in him getting nerfed is a bit ridiculous. I play Spencer and he's probably going to get his up grapple scaling glitch removed, and while I think it will make him much much worse, it's a bug fix and I understand it and he's currently more powerful than they may have expected--that in mind I'm not going to, in Honzo's words, go so far as creating an article about it and getting it stickied on eventhubs srk's front page.

    Oh and front page is still awful.
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  • Fresh LettuceFresh Lettuce Perfect for Salad Joined: Posts: 159
    as much as i think renegade is a blowhard (and kind of wrong about the front page) it was pretty cool that he wrote a thing on blowing up wesker bc imo its better to man up and learn stuff right now. wesky is pretty straightforward and didnt really change a whole lot on top of being really powerful so he's naturally going to dominate for a little while. im sure something more complex will show him up eventually. one thing that really separated fighting games from other games was fighting games never got patched and the game evolved. i really dont think nerfs/buffs should happen for at least a year for these games because people discover new stuff and learn how to beat things that are simple. instead we've come to like some sort of culture where people are used to PC style patches which aren't good in games with static content (they are good for games with rapid content updates though like MMOs or MOBAs).

    now can yall get back to complaining about the dumb stuff that is actually worth bitching about?
  • RenegadeRenegade Joined: Posts: 3,128 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I never used the word respected and insuiating that I am a loser and/or combofiend is baseless.

    You're saying that my opinions on Wesker aren't valid and are biased b/c I play Wesker, and must have some agenda to downplay him.

    I also said phoenix was busted from the first time I played her, and said that's exactly why I used her.

    Wesker is easy to use, effective at any skill level, fits in any team, a great assist, and easy to open people up with.

    He's the swiss army knife of UMvC3, can be used anywhere.

    I think there are at least 4-5 characters that soundly beat him, and almost all of the low tier stand a much better chance against him in this game than MvC3.
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  • HonzogonzoHonzogonzo fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Joined: Posts: 3,302
    You're saying that my opinions on Wesker aren't valid and are biased b/c I play Wesker, and must have some agenda to downplay him.

    I also said phoenix was busted from the first time I played her, and said that's exactly why I used her.

    Wesker is easy to use, effective at any skill level, fits in any team, a great assist, and easy to open people up with.

    He's the swiss army knife of UMvC3, can be used anywhere.

    I think there are at least 4-5 characters that soundly beat him, and almost all of the low tier stand a much better chance against him in this game than MvC3.

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  • CLU 2CLU 2 Capcom's gonna get sued for that ass. Joined: Posts: 5,710
    I love the name of this thread.
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    I look froward to your counter article
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  • toddler316toddler316 Drunk Shit Hustler Joined: Posts: 8,086 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I agree with Pertho.

    But no matter how many people agree with him and want things to change, it won't change anything.

    Wizard is stubborn as fuck.

    I still miss Rep.

    It's funny but he's allowed to run it as he like's and he's given carte blanche to do so.
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  • Sensei RouzuSensei Rouzu Hero for fun Joined: Posts: 3,933
    that's because you're fucking stupid.
    Is that how you deal with people who have opinions that differ from yours because something like that I would expect from a child rather than from a full grown man.

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    Stop derailing who the fuck cares about wesker that's not what this thread is about, discuss that else where

    Nah the best part is coming here attacking the point giving it all the validity it need's.
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  • CLU 2CLU 2 Capcom's gonna get sued for that ass. Joined: Posts: 5,710
    Is that how you deal with people who have opinions that differ from yours because something like that I would expect from a child rather than from a full grown man.

    Opinion deals with non-determinate things.

    His complaints deal with clearly elaborated issues i.e. easily determinable things.

    Your lack of understanding of clearly elaborated, easily determinable things =
    you're fucking stupid.

    Did that help any?

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    I'm writing a counter article
    kiets will put it on the front page.

    "Wesker:Overpowered"
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  • HaceHace CHOW DOWN Joined: Posts: 1,236
    Front page now has 5 seperate articles, each one for a single combo video (also one wacky and zany compilation!), and none of them are especially noteworthy. 2 of the articles are literally 3 minutes apart. Strangely enough, they're all done by the RPG guy, so either he has nothing else to contribute, or he's on combo video duty as far as I can tell.
  • SurenioSurenio Joined: Posts: 1,108
    Front page now has 5 seperate articles, each one for a single combo video (also one wacky and zany compilation!), and none of them are especially noteworthy. 2 of the articles are literally 3 minutes apart. Strangely enough, they're all done by the RPG guy, so either he has nothing else to contribute, or he's on combo video duty as far as I can tell.
    I quite liked the post about DOA5 being 15% done. I can't decide if that's the most useless news post done so far. At this point, if it's ANY news story on a fighting game/fighting game persona, it's getting on the front page.
  • Lazyjosh2Lazyjosh2 Joined: Posts: 1,071
    i dont read the front page because its like "hey you need to do this and this blah blah." only time i read the front page is for combo vids and thats about it. I really dont need people telling me how to play since Ive been playing fighters in tournaments since 2001

    ya that article on wesker is bs. Its like if I told everyone Sent wasnt broken in MvC2 and theres all these ways to beat him, and there are a lot of infinite combos on him. The thing is though hes used 98% of the time more then almost every character and can fit in almost any team. When a character gets over used there has to be a reason other wise people wouldnt use him
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  • The DamnedThe Damned Hope: You can't believe in it Joined: Posts: 10,984 mod
    (And in this episode, we destroy what little feeling I have left in my left hand.)

    I figured you would reply, Renegade, but you got a bit more defensive than I thought you would. I can't help but feel that part of that is my fault for a couple of accidental implications, though.

    Thankfully, since you wrote in entirely single sentence paragraphs (for some reason), that makes it extremely easy to maliciously abuse multi-quote. I thank you, good sir.

    Multi-quote function, activate!
    I like how you're somehow the expert on what "belongs" on the front page.

    I never said I was the expert on it or anything else, hence why I prefaced my suggestions with "IMO". I full well don't expect everything or even anything I suggested to be implemented any time soon, especially since I have no clout (and, to be honest, I don't really want any--"fame" is a terrible thing).

    Regardless, one doesn't have to be an "expert" (on what, exactly? being organized?) to know that the front page as it is now is a mess that could be a made at least slightly better.
    Before Keits was hired, the front page was updated once every month or so, now it serves as a functional blogroll and community figurehead in an age where forums are going the way of the dinosaur.

    Forums are going the way of the dinosaur? That's not rhetorical because it's honestly news to me since I don't keep up with social media or blogs--I'm assuming that's the type of stuff you're saying/implying is "phasing out" forums, correct?

    Anyway, I am well aware what the front page was like--I'm pretty sure I've been here since March 2001 if we're trying to pull rank for some reason--until about a couple of years ago. Honestly, if it had to go back to be updated only once every month or so and being inundated with BS on a day-to-day basis, I'd gladly go back to the former. It's not like you can't keep up with information on other sites and it would be a lot less cluttered.

    Regardless, it's not like I'm calling Keits the devil or anything. I don't have a personal problem with Mr. Heart or anyone on the front page.
    How are Editorial/Opinion pieces out of place? CNN has them on the front page. Newspapers have them. Why not SRK?

    Because, unlike CNN (which is hardly a respectable news source a lot of the time) or newspapers, we have forums that people are already signed up for and where it's easier to keep track of replies and be alerted to more information coming into that topic. As it is now, between the separate, invasive sign-up system and the fact that replies don't "bump" a news topic like they do a thread, it just seems unnecessary.

    To be honest, I'm not sure how to fix that or if it can be fixed, hence why I just figured to "bite the bullet" and get rid of them entirely for the sake of theoretical maximizing of organization/elimination of clutter. Again, I'm not going to claim to be an expert on organization or coding or sign-up systems or whatever, it just "seems" kinda obvious.

    Admittedly, it was perhaps a bit hasty to say that they should be gotten rid of entirely. However, considering that most of the ones lately have been people just putting up anything about topics they obviously don't know much if anything about like that abortive woman's article, I think the quality of them at present has been lacking to the point where they're better off dead; yours doesn't fall here, though I disagree with it for other reasons obviously.
    Sure, the post could belong in the forum... but hell if I'm going to spend 2 hours writing a well thought out piece to only have 80 people read it.

    Only 80 people? With how much traffic the UMvC3 forums get? And how constantly it would doubtless be bumped? Uh, I'm pretty sure it might have gotten more traffic on forums on than on the front page since it will eventually fade from the "spotlight" of the top of the front page over time.

    You're underestimating both the traffic in that forum and yourself. I'm rather surprised considering how often you seem to post there. You know how much people flock any post in that main forum because it's not like this article would really belong in the Wesker sub-character forum, since obviously other Wesker users aren't going to be the ones really complaining about him being "overpowered" (whether he is or not).
    The wesker issue was the dominant point of discussion over NEC weekend. It is VERY topical to address the issue at hand.

    I don't recall saying it was an entirely irrelevant thing to discuss at all, just that it seems weird to have such an opinion piece on the front page that doesn't really even address the question at hand. While it says "Wesker: Not Overpowered", I'd say it argues more for "Wesker: Not Broken even with X-Factor Level 3 & glasses off; Beatable".

    Unless, of course, you're saying it's relevant because it was related to a big tournament over the weekend, in which case then I would probably concede the point even if I would still disagree with some things in the article.
    You also fail to mention I do touch on PLENTY of options to defeat Wesker, making it also somewhat of a strategy article as well.

    I didn't mention that because overpowered characters are still beatable, broken ones aren't. It's implicit.

    Also, since I said that you had valid opinions within the article, of which I was including those, I saw no reason to address it.
    Almost all the strategy/metagame content on SRK's front page now is done in video form, so it's a good change of pace to do a written piece.

    Okay...? I don't have a problem that it was written. I like that it was written (even if I think it could be written better, like my own posts), especially since I have a shittier computer than most at present, so multiple embedded stuff on one page drives my computer to insanity.
    While the "Only thing wrong w/ MvC3... is You" was certainly condescending... It was also 100% correct.

    Good to see we can agree on something. [/not condescending sarcasm]

    That article was seriously an egregious mistake to the point that I don't know why anyone thought it was a good idea.
    The only reason Sentinel was smushing people in February is because people wanted to use spider man/shuma/viewtiful joe and refuse to block ever.

    Again, we agree, so I'm not sure why you're bringing this up.

    That's currently a huge problem with UMvC3 Wesker too in that people were refusing to block and dropping combos left & right; I'm sure that fatigue and tiredness were a factor. You pointed this out and I agree(d) with it...since I already realized that when people were griping about nerfing him in stream thread when the game hasn't been out a month yet. I don't want to see Wesker nerfed (at least into the ground, which is bound to happen with a knee-jerk reaction) and I dislike Wesker.
    I think that I main Wesker on point specifically qualifies me to write this article as opposed to "makes me biased".

    It makes you both, actually. I never said that you shouldn't be talking about the character just because you play him. Hell, that makes you more qualified automatically than a most of the people bitching about him. Still, it does at least subconsciously color your opinion I'd argue since nothing is 100% completely objective.

    Regardless, my apologies for implying (or seeming like I was implying) that the article was utterly biased just because you played Wesker even though I said you did have some good points in there.
    I'm telling you "He's still good, and fits on every team. But he's not as strong as he was, and his matchups as a whole got worse"

    I realize that. Considering it's an opinion piece, though, it's obviously arguable whether or not that would still make him overpowered, even if he's not as overpowered as people are claiming to be to the point where they are already clamoring that he should be nerfed.
    You know who agrees with me? KillerKai and Viscant. Maybe you heard of them.

    KillerKai? Viscant? Who are they? I've never heard of them.

    ....

    Seriously, though, please don't try to pull name clout. You were doing well without being condescending.

    Also, please note that, again, I never said that your opinion or your article was 100% wrong to begin with. I just disagreed that it belonged on the front page (as the front page is now or "should" ultimately be) and whether it addressed the entitled point--"overpowered"-ness--that it claimed to address. It had/has points of merit, certainly more than a lot of front page articles at present.

    I kinda wish that I could reply to it in-depth piece by piece, but I don't want to sign-up for the front page--so dumb--or put it in this thread (since I'm already cluttering it up with long-winded posts), so...yeah. I'm fine with agreeing to disagree. It's certainly not like I have anything personal against you, KillerKai, Viscant or any "big name" players. They are all seem like nicer, more talented people than I.

    If you still want me to address what exactly I was talking about when I said I thought your article had problems, then I will gladly do so; just give me a day or two. If you do not care (because I'm not some "big name" or whatever other reason), then that is equally fine with me; my left hand would thank you considering how much it's acting up right now.

    Now if you'll excuse me, I am going to take a long bath. [/needless information]
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  • Duck StrongDuck Strong Yin to all Yang Joined: Posts: 7,783 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Nah the best part is coming here attacking the point giving it all the validity it need's.

    Holy shit you suck at writing.
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  • Trouble BrewingTrouble Brewing Super Coffee Fighter V Joined: Posts: 5,174 mod
    Although I definitely have some issues with some of the content being posted on the main page--the article on balance was poorly reasoned clap-trap, for example--the biggest problem right now is so much of the front page content is not important or relevant. I wonder how many SRK regulars totally missed Inkblot's article on eSports/Street Fighter? If you missed it:

    http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/04/where-esports-leagues-go-wrong-with-fighters/

    That article was probably the most important thing to hit the front page of SRK in years. 4 days later it's already buried under a pile of SC5, Tekken, and DOA crap. What the hell?

    The signal to noise ratio is completely out of hand right now.
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  • GwynLovesMilkGwynLovesMilk Joined: Posts: 6,096
    TL;DR, GG NO RE. :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup: :tup:
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  • NissanZaximaNissanZaxima Joined: Posts: 7,686
    I honestly usually skip over the front page now. The combo video clutter is just too much. Every other day we are getting a new combo video that really isn't any different from the combo video we got a couple days before from the same character(s). Not to mention a lot of them are completely impractical to using in an actual competitive match.

    Just put all the combo videos in one post every day/couple days or whatever. They shadow over a lot more imformative videos that are actually applicable to competitive gameplay.
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  • Unable to ConnectUnable to Connect Joined: Posts: 118
    None of what you said was true at all.

    http://www.shacknews.com/article/52832/capcom-releases-lifetime-sales-of#

    Megaman games sale an average of 233,333 per title.

    Megaman doesn't even make the top 20 individual title sales.

    Megaman is not as popular as Capcom fans like to pretend. If you took these numbers outside of Capcom and looked at the whole gaming industry, Megaman would look like a worse company mascot than any of Sony's wannabe mascots.

    Yeah, if you used your numbers, but those numbers really don't mean Mega Man wasn't iconic or well liked, it just means they milked the fucking cow until blood was coming out of its tits. It's still their second best selling franchise and I really doubt there's as much overlap in sales as say, CoD or Final Fantasy (ugh). Whether you like it or not, both Ryu and Mega Man were Capcom to many gamers back in the day (MM fans or not).

    disclosure: I honestly don't care at all if Mega Man is in any game ever again, but I don't agree with what you wrote at all.
  • jinsaotomex3jinsaotomex3 It's tooth brushing time! Joined: Posts: 5,973
    ^ http://capcom.co.jp/ir/english/business/salesdata.html
    The information on that link is outdated. MM is the 3rd biggest. With MH probably being their fastest selling. I wouldn't be surprised if MH overtook MM soon. Monster Hunter prints money.
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  • Dances with NinjasDances with Ninjas Kung Fu Treachery Joined: Posts: 814
    "Nyeh nyeh nyeh nyeh, balance balance Wesker balance Mega Man balance balance Yun."

    Funny how a thread bitching about the front page has become the front page.
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  • PerthoPertho Capt of Team #Hellspawn Joined: Posts: 22,920 mod
    Eh...not the place to discuss how good Wesker is or isn't or Mega Man's place in fuck all. On the other hand though, Renegade's post is an attempt in the right direction. I need to go back to re-read it properly but we need more of that shit. Somebody who knows these characters to write about them. Similarly with the other article that was drowned in a sea of shit on Don's Arcade.

    That type of content is fantastic content. I'm not going to shit on it because fuck, its a start towards the right place as opposed to getting panties twisted all over the place. If you want to fight about the content, do it in the page. For this either talk about how shitty of a person I am for the stuff I wrote, agree/disagree and put some suggestions. I'm not done writing things. Spoiler though: next article will have 100% less mentions of dead baby jokes. I know, I'm sad about that too.
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  • lilkrakenlilkraken Nose picker Joined: Posts: 48
    I'd like to think that any writer in his profession wants to raise the bar on execution, and perhaps within the boundaries of his/her work environment - coordinate a thorough and comprehensive delivery of 'x' content.

    That being said, I honestly don't know what the fuss is about.

    Like any outlet with a delivery system and purpose of news/updates/etc. within their genre - they will experience quality issues. Driving factors may involve (but are not exclusive to) :

    - writer's block
    - internal politics / change in leadership, writing team, etc.
    - employee's morale
    - current state of 'x' industry/genre/subject matter
    - who the hell knows

    Where I'm getting at is... if I want to read "quality" editorials, and have the mindset to nit pick the technical manner in which they deliver their content - I'm not going to Shoryuken.com. I think most of us can agree to that.

    I think some people forget or perhaps complete overlook - these guys/gals are just like us, who for whatever reason are involved in their operations. Maybe some of them actually do this for a living... although my inclination is, no. Maybe most of them have jobs in a career field we are completely aware of. Perhaps they are involved in the writing community because they provide a perspective that many of us may not be instilled to think because we lack the access? I don't know. Please fill me in.

    This isn't neurosurgery. It's a portal where anything that might be remotely interesting to the general populous, is delivered. Sometimes it'll be well delivered. Lately, I myself think it's suffered a bit. But if the overall quality is lacking - no one is going to die over it.

    You should of course try to take pride in any work you do, whether someone else sees it or not. Volunteer or paid. But i don't think the subject deserves such hatred and soap box attitude. If you have nearly as much energy as you did writing your opinion, why not take it one step further and show them how it's done? Now - that's something I'd be interested in seeing.
  • Mr. XMr. X Non Stop ∞ Climax Joined: Posts: 20,239
    Don's Arcade article is posted today and is already on page 2 thanks to 2 articles about the same DoA progress news and bunch of videos :[
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  • The DamnedThe Damned Hope: You can't believe in it Joined: Posts: 10,984 mod
    (Ah, I had forgotten how good bubble-baths feel. I need to take more of those. [/apex of manliness])

    Oh, don't worry, good Sir Pertho. Should Sir Renegade ask for a response, I'll likely just PM him back what my grievances with his message were rather than spend more of thread's precious space. I know this is not the place to talk about Wesker, which is why I was trying not to do so.
    Although I definitely have some issues with some of the content being posted on the main page--the article on balance was poorly reasoned clap-trap, for example--the biggest problem right now is so much of the front page content is not important or relevant. I wonder how many SRK regulars totally missed Inkblot's article on eSports/Street Fighter? If you missed it:

    http://shoryuken.com/2011/12/04/where-esports-leagues-go-wrong-with-fighters/

    That article was probably the most important thing to hit the front page of SRK in years. 4 days later it's already buried under a pile of SC5, Tekken, and DOA crap. What the hell?

    The signal to noise ratio is completely out of hand right now.

    *raises hand at missing it*

    I probably wouldn't have known it existed if BlackShinobi didn't go out of his way to post in twice in the lounge threads. It stayed at the top for way too short a time for how important it is, to the point that I must admit that I consciously downplayed its importance by thinking "if it was good, then it would stay there for a while instead of being replaced by Vergil/Dante/Xxx combo video #7, especially since Mr. Cannon has basically completely power over the site."

    So I just ignored it until now since it got pushed down by a bunch of other trash.

    That was obviously a mistake. Damn, that thing is so well written even before taking the actual content into account. Not every front page article needs to break up things as neatly and as orderly, but just using good grammar, especially syntax and word choice, goes an extremely long way.

    Also, it would figure that you and a few other people would far more concisely say what I and Pertho were trying to get out. I am abysmal when it comes to trying to be concise obviously.
    TL;DR, GG NO RE.

    No, it's more like "TL;DR: I'll gladly reply with what I actually think was wrong and what I think was right with the 'Wesker: Not Overpowered', but not here. Also, you're being a bit defensive and needlessly condescending."

    Just like how my nonexistent, long-winded reply to you for this would be "TL;DR: Why the fuck did you quote all of that? You're usually smarter than that, but all you did was waste space and spam, so it's not my fault if Preppy infracts you and if you're compelled me to want to shiv you a kidney should we ever me. I can't be held responsible for my ire. America!"

    Seriously, though, don't quote all of that. How drunk are you? [/assumption]
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