The System Mechanics Thread

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  • akuaku スピリチュアルやからね! Joined: Posts: 3,865
    That would depend on how many frames Alex is stuck in parry freeze for and how many start-up frames are in corkscrew blow. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head but you could work it out by looking at the frame data. Basically, the only Dudley can win in that situation is if he does the move on the first possible frame and the first active frame comes out while Alex is still in parry freeze. Otherwise boomerang raid will fuck up anything Dudley can cancel into.

    I'm thinking there might be a really awkward and funny moment where Boomerang Raid and Rocket Upper both whiff in their first hits, but I unfortunately can't test this out since I don't have a console/3S emulated. ;(
  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 8,177
    louis, i consider myself a nice guy, but really.
    JUST GO TO ESN'S FRAMEDATA SITE.

    load up sa2 and GO LOOK FOR YOURSELF.
    notice he has no hittable box during the first punch of sa2.

    That's why I said it was probably not a good question. GAWHD.

    Also; I don't have a console to test very specific things.
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  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    Sounds like someone learned how to kara demon!
    lol, I knew about the df.Demon(personally I use N-:f::df:-Short-Fierce for TKD...) , it just never occurred to me until a couple days ago that you can use this for dashes... I needed to test with input display before I was sure it wasn't an execution error... Also, this property can effectively eliminate needed inputs and frames required before a move/dash is executed.
    :df:-N-:dp: +P becomes dash Shoryu, but normally you'd need to press towards 3 times then d,df.P...
    ^5 frames minimum, compared to 7 frames minimum^.... Of course if you start from :d:, you'll end up getting a standard shortcut super input... but you can utilize this with Ken for example, cross-up EX Tatsu->dash Shoryu, this works because SA3 is obviously a K input, so they won't overlap. If the super will overlap... such as in Makoto's case, Dash->cr.RH~Fukiage can overlap with SA2, so you can instead use: :f::df: N :dp: cr.RH~Fukiage to avoid that.
  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    Ok... @ESN or anybody?.... wtf.

    Had this happen in OE a few times and I was pretty sure it was an execution error... Then I tried a dash to 1 button negative edge Gigas and to my surprise, I dashed.. then back dashed... So I had to see the inputs for myself. You need to hold forward for a few frames with the button still held in... If you press and hold a button, then input what I did without holding forward, no dash happens...

    My brain hurts a little
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    I have no real answer for that but I will say this. Keep in mind that ram and it's ability to take in inputs is not entirely indicative of it's ability to process input or its ability to output results. So while you input the full circle in say, 3 frames, the game processes the jumble of inputs into one input per frame. Something like 6 frames, maybe, I didn't watch the video. And then it might take a few extra frames to output given latency. Having said that, we know that these games give priority to a certain kind of input over another of a different kind, and so if it took 3 frames to input the circle and it takes 2 frames to process and output, then it can be said you did the circle, started with forward (frame 1), the game started processing the forward at 2, then by 3 you were done with your input which was another forward. When a processor gets "warmed up" it functions or reacts much quicker than an idle processor and so probably caught your second forward as it was trying to find a significant input. Akuma 360 isn't significant, but two forwards within a time frame is significant for every character.

    I wonder if IG reads these threads and just eats up my posts. That would be awesome if they did, but I can't imagine they'd ever listen to someone like me. No one ever gives me respect even though I know what I'm talking about.
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  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    I have no real answer for that but I will say this. Keep in mind that ram and it's ability to take in inputs is not entirely indicative of it's ability to process input or its ability to output results. So while you input the full circle in say, 3 frames, the game processes the jumble of inputs into one input per frame. Something like 6 frames, maybe, I didn't watch the video. And then it might take a few extra frames to output given latency. Having said that, we know that these games give priority to a certain kind of input over another of a different kind, and so if it took 3 frames to input the circle and it takes 2 frames to process and output, then it can be said you did the circle, started with forward (frame 1), the game started processing the forward at 2, then by 3 you were done with your input which was another forward. When a processor gets "warmed up" it functions or reacts much quicker than an idle processor and so probably caught your second forward as it was trying to find a significant input. Akuma 360 isn't significant, but two forwards within a time frame is significant for every character.

    I wonder if IG reads these threads and just eats up my posts. That would be awesome if they did, but I can't imagine they'd ever listen to someone like me. No one ever gives me respect even though I know what I'm talking about.
    Essentially what I'm doing in the video is... hold towards or back, then while still holding the first input HCB/HCF, ie. :hcb:--:f:. That never dashes, if you hold any button/combination of buttons, you will dash.... It's weird, and because with the dash, negative edge Gigas input, I'm pressing towards twice, then a 540, which includes 2 back presses, this results in me back dashing after the forward dash. This shouldn't logically happen, but it does. FBA and OE, any character.

    Hold any button, hold towards for a couple frames, input :df::d::f::df:. All of the sudden that's a dash Shoryu input, it hurts my brain.
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    well for negative edge it might just be holding the button press and waiting for the bar that determines how long you have to complete your action in order to make it a special attack to fill up and so it doesn't register anything besides that. Like there are two layers, the lenient one that allows for option selects and then the more specific one that only takes the exact input? Maybe they are reversed in your example? Exact first then lenient?

    I noticed that a lot of your techniques are very online friendly looking to reduce the time it takes to do them. They don't quite adhere to the idea that a single parry can bring it down. Which is, in my mind, the offline point of view. Then again, I forget the point of this thread is to examine the mechanics of the game as a general thing.
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  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    I noticed that a lot of your techniques are very online friendly looking to reduce the time it takes to do them. They don't quite adhere to the idea that a single parry can bring it down. Which is, in my mind, the offline point of view. Then again, I forget the point of this thread is to examine the mechanics of the game as a general thing.
    Precisely, this thread is all about the mechanics of the game, I don't care if they make inputs take more or less time, if they're complicated or not. I'm just generally interested in the way this game works, I'm not interested in 'exploitative' things, also your comment about online friendly things makes practically zero sense.

    These things that I've recently posted about have essentially no merit outside of combos or predetermined set-ups. A single parry won't thwart a post SA1 Demon Flip mix-up, nor will it do anything against a juggle to dash Shoryu. Parry LL and parry to charge specials in no way help online...

    I haven't played OE online in months either way, I've also never touched GGPO. I wish I could play offline against people that enjoy the game, but sadly, I can't. I wish I had an arcade to go to when I have free time, but again, I don't. I would imagine that... in some arcade purist eyes, I seem like a scavenger, playing a game that I don't deserve to play because I haven't put quarters in a machine as long as they have. To me, those same people were the fortunate ones; lucky to end up close enough to arcades that appreciate 3S.

    That last paragraph is very much off topic, but I've been getting really fed up with the vibe around here lately.
  • pheraipherai LIVE FOREVER Joined: Posts: 11,885 mod
    I haven't played OE online in months either way, I've also never touched GGPO. I wish I could play offline against people that enjoy the game, but sadly, I can't. I wish I had an arcade to go to when I have free time, but again, I don't. I would imagine that... in some arcade purist eyes, I seem like a scavenger, playing a game that I don't deserve to play because I haven't put quarters in a machine as long as they have. To me, those same people were the fortunate ones; lucky to end up close enough to arcades that appreciate 3S.

    That last paragraph is very much off topic, but I've been getting really fed up with the vibe around here lately.

    :(

    we love you telesniper

    imo the biggest weakness of american arcade 3s purists is not really studying the game mechanics. ive met people who flaunt a lack of knowledge of frame data like its a source of pride. if they are hating fuck em!
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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,700
    probably related to how you can kara powerbomb with alex's towards+fierce if you do a jab while inputting the powerbomb.
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  • yuukiyuuki Joined: Posts: 782
    I wholeheartedly agree. wether it's intentional or not, pseudo-3s scientists and other self-righteous (for no credible reason) players have been coming across very condescending and and ultimately annoying.


    thanks for all your contributions telesniper.
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  • akuaku スピリチュアルやからね! Joined: Posts: 3,865
    telesniper has done more for this community in just the past few months than most players in the past few years. Fuck the haters.
  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    telesniper has done more for this community in just the past few months than most players in the past few years. Fuck the haters.
    wrong for a wrong


    Yuuki: Speak to more people than your little circle. Stop hiding behind your past efforts and show us how to play the game if you're apt for it. Sharing your oe videos isn't enough, take my word for it, because you aren't Japanese. Your words simply get across because ryan or aku usally post right after you parroting everything you say.I'm not going to try and speak over the two of you because then I'm arguing on different efforts.

    Tele: WOAH I wasn't saying anything is wrong with your idea. I was speaking to our readers, whom of which I am always thinking about when posting in these kinds of threads because like I said before some people might need the help. As for my comment about it being an online tactic, I"m saying that it is helpful because then you cut down on the chance that you might catch a dropped frame or two. It's certainly not a lag tactic in the same sense of jump parry grab to uppercut. So if one were to attempt dash uppercut, or some other application of it, it would make sense to use your method, where as offline it might not because for something like that to work, the player must be committed seeing as the technique requires a special kind of input. It would really make no difference offline because a result is certain, certainly more so than online. Offline is also more of a matter of time than the idea of opportunity like online is.

    I am making that distinction for other readers besides ourselves. I am not putting down anything you are doing here. That last argument we had wasn't really your guys' fault anyway. It had more to do with things that are empirical as an effect iof science and the dogmatic approach most new players take to it. How most players on these boards go around posting about how a certain technique or method sucks as if it could defend itself against the scrutiny.

    Also, just for future reference, you should remember that most or any ideas can and will usually be met with scrutiny. Hiding behind the circle jerk doesn't make them anymore valid.

    As for your last paragraph, I didn't feel the snag. I'm guessing it wasn't meant for me? I don't have a problem with players that don't play arcade or offline, I just dislike when they act like any other form of proof besides videos is lacking in content. We both have the game. Do you really want to know what it was like offline? I tell you something. You test if out yourself. Simple. That's the difference between online and offline. Offline players generally tended to do things themselves after simply being told before shouting "OH MGOD WAHR BIDEO". Just like you were saying I should test the Makoto theory. That doesn't mean I should post the results of my test on a video. If you were a little more "cool" about it and stated that as the only for you to know that we did in fact verified your results then it would make more sense for me to make a video and then say I see now. That's true proof that you can count on. But if you just say something, lead people to me with a vague description of the culprit and then completely discount anything I say that isn't accompanied with proof i.e a video, then you are doing almost the reverse of what I'm being accused of doing to you. Except I don't rely on my "supporters" to shoo away conflicting opinions when in reality they aren't even conflicting. Just a different way of explaining things.
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  • mpikkonmpikkon "S" class tier (OP) Joined: Posts: 355
    This is possibly one of the worst arguments that could ever happen in this thread. A relatively new member on this forum finds something worth checking or to mention, yet his discovery causes controvery among fans and vets of 3rd Strike instead of praise or encouragement. Did anyone's pride get hurt so bad?

    Some ppl can adapt to the game mechanics faster than others. They devote themselves to this. You should respect that, before you post any feedback.
  • ryan.ryan. Joined: Posts: 1,918
    Dander lives on another planet.

    One where he's really sick at 3rd Strike, and FFA is better than Game Versus (skill).

    Telesniper is dope.

    It's funny cuz Yuuki Hugo would straight buttrape Dander. Of course, after the match dander would complain about turtling or something stupid like that.

    That being said, Dander is a cool guy to chill with in real life, but his 3rd Strike skill and online mannerisms could use some work.
  • yuukiyuuki Joined: Posts: 782
    deleted my above post since its not worth it. I've decided it's better to just ignore your posts dander. hope you do the same with mine.
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  • yomipoweryomipower not a legendary game designer Joined: Posts: 1,167
    This forum has been a circlejerk by the same 6 or so people filled with dumb shit for a looong time. Wheter it's Dander and WTF-AKUMA-HAX posting nonsense, it's Louis posting dumb strategy and crying about Alex and Ryan being a dick. No wonder nobody wants to come to this part, the game is dead and this forum is dead as there hasn't been anything of real interest here 'till Telesniper came along and contributed something revolutionary and you people start talking shit to him? Damn.
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  • akuaku スピリチュアルやからね! Joined: Posts: 3,865
    Don't accuse me of parroting people, Dander.
  • yuukiyuuki Joined: Posts: 782
    you're welcome to leave/not visit this forum at any time yomipower. There's no need for me to list examples to prove you wrong.
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  • yomipoweryomipower not a legendary game designer Joined: Posts: 1,167
    Nah, I'll stick around posting dumb shit too, it's fun. I also don't need to list examples to prove myself right as one can just take a look around in any thread.
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  • OMG its a duckOMG its a duck Bruh I'm in down bad bruh Joined: Posts: 1,920
    We drama now.
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    I hope this makes you all as happy as it makes me
  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 8,177
    This forum has been a circlejerk by the same 6 or so people filled with dumb shit for a looong time. Wheter it's Dander and WTF-AKUMA-HAX posting nonsense, it's Louis posting dumb strategy and crying about Alex and Ryan being a dick. No wonder nobody wants to come to this part, the game is dead and this forum is dead as there hasn't been anything of real interest here 'till Telesniper came along and contributed something revolutionary and you people start talking shit to him? Damn.

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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    This is possibly one of the worst arguments that could ever happen in this thread. A relatively new member on this forum finds something worth checking or to mention, yet his discovery causes controvery among fans and vets of 3rd Strike instead of praise or encouragement. Did anyone's pride get hurt so bad?

    Some ppl can adapt to the game mechanics faster than others. They devote themselves to this. You should respect that, before you post any feedback.
    Who are these people? I don't think I saw anyone say his post was bad. Unless this happened in a page before this one Idk what you're talking about. Can't help but reply to you because I did just defend myself.

    Yomi: I'd understand voicing an opinion on either side but against the whole? You are definitely a lot more bored than any of us. I don't post stupid shit, I post bullshit.

    Ryan: Stop picking Chun.

    Tele: keep doing what you're doing but like I said, expect scrutiny. Just don't go thinking that every thing I post is against you, sometimes the explanations just need to be worded differently. And I think it can be noted often times a lot of people CHOOSE video games over any other kind of competitive activity because they lack the social skills. Myself included, I guess.
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  • WTF-AKUMA-HAXWTF-AKUMA-HAX DBGT non canon > maxxvatar OVA Joined: Posts: 17,874
    Donation drives making news.

    Which one of you young guys are at least over 21 and would want to chill in Vegas with these old guys. Or I just wish more of you could meetup face to face. Or we can talk about ways to get to Japan, where young people may have more options on that front for different reasons. Pretty cool Dankah and Jul1an were both the same age over there. Were they of legal drinking age I don't even know, maybe not, they still could've anyway!

    yomi your bitchass mongolian money from nowhere probably doesn't equal anything so don't bother. You better ask Sirlin how to make some money. That's one thing we can admit he knows. Don't cry about Sirlin here right now either. You can make your own thread with fun cool content like that, (why don't you? what are you holding back?), and we can all enjoy it over there! Where are you from, why didn't you cheer for anybody in the European Qualifiers or have any news from that side of the world. Internet Tough guy = more like crybaby in public. Like when you were mad you couldn't play for a long time and then it was fixed then you stopped being all mad!! That's pretty human and understandable but you could still work on that. I hope you get to play 3rd Strike on better terms too, sooner rather than later.

    Dander's pretty cool. I don't understand the slights and your misunderstandings of otherpeople so backtrack & clean that up too ya know, apologize for things coming off wrong if you didn't intend that, really. Or maybe not say some stuff in your head sometimes, saying it so fast on the forums like passive aggressive and it sounds myspace/facebook bitchy. Repurcussions and empathy for their side too. Maybe you do like Telesniper and want him to grow, you keep see-saw'ing with that... I don't know. We're not out to get you if we just don't understand right away or where you're coming from.
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  • DanderDander BANNED Joined: Posts: 7,227
    I don't care that I'm not your favorite person but that doesn't mean I don't care in general. I chose tsundere as the descript for a reason. It's possible to enjoy 3s online just like you would offline but that requires a deeper understanding the games mechanics. Knowledge like that will generally bolster one's ego. I'm not you saying you do this, tele, you really don't but sometimes you forget the politically correct nature of a lot of these discussions and how inhibitions of those sort will lead to many uninformed individuals. I'm not about leaving people uninformed of their options despite where the general consensus might lead a person. Often times I just don't want to backtrack and delete something I've already said because it shouldn't take all that effort to let you know that I"m here to help. I've been on these forums ever since my old ffa days simply because I wanted the online communities to know how the offline communities thought. I knew there was a merger to come, I just didn't expect oe to be so shitty. I wasn't as active as some of the other members then but I also didn't repeat myself.

    As for the circle jerk comments, I don't like tyrants or the idea of one and I don't like the idea of a council of representatives preaching something that they themselves refuse to adhere to. If I call a scrub a scrub and it sounds mean because I didn't add a smiley face it isn't necessarily mean. It's probably because he is a scrub. I can say that. I don't win tournaments but that's only because I don't give a shit about that kind of notoriety. I can play every single character in this at a mid-high level and can play my best characters at a top level. I can dissect Japanese play and even predict match outcomes based on subtle moments in play. If that's not mastery than I obviously do live in another world. Or maybe I'm that mind over matter kind of individual. (that was sarcasm, I am that kind of individual)

    You mother fuckers are keeping me from my homework goddamnit
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  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    ..."OH MGOD WAHR BIDEO"... Except I don't rely on my "supporters" to shoo away conflicting opinions when in reality they aren't even conflicting. Just a different way of explaining things.
    The people that are abusing lag tactics will most likely never see my posts, or the videos included. They may look at this forum occasionally, but I doubt that more than a few visit this particular thread. Those types of people aren't interested in the inner workings of the game; they don't want to learn anything new in their current state. It can be annoying, but no amount of complaining or bickering is going to change that. For them to change, either they'll have to come to terms with the fact that what they are doing wouldn't work under ideal conditions (most of the time, for reference, see Kuroda's Elena vs Nuki...), or they'll need to be beaten into submission. Those that won't change are lost causes, essentially what I'm saying is people just need to stop giving a shit about those people that frustrate them, it isn't helping and whoever posts about it is putting more effort into complaining than it took the online trolls to annoy you.

    No one is hiding, there's no circle jerk, no conspiracies and no, tinfoil hats aren't necessary.

    It wasn't directed wholly at you, no. I have the means to record video, so why shouldn't I make it easier for those that learn more efficiently that way? I'm new here so I tried making my posts about the Chun double as clear as I could make them at the time, but there were only like a dozen or so people that had landed it at that point. 240p OE quality wasn't helping either so I made a better video. Hopefully it'll help. Also showing input display can more easily show that I am inputting what I say I'm inputting; I'd rather use that, than have some people doubt what I'm saying. So I guess my efforts towards avoiding scrutiny, caused them to get scrutinized?... Awesome...

    Also, "supporters", really? I didn't go around asking people to jump on you, I stated my feelings and left. Your opinions will still be viewed more favorably by those that agree with you, but acting that way isn't going to get more people on "your side". /tinfoil hat...
    Tele: keep doing what you're doing but like I said, expect scrutiny. Just don't go thinking that every thing I post is against you, sometimes the explanations just need to be worded differently. And I think it can be noted often times a lot of people CHOOSE video games over any other kind of competitive activity because they lack the social skills. Myself included, I guess.
    Don't worry, I will.

    Logically there should be scrutiny in this thread, that's the main point to it. There should be questions and answers, scenarios and theories, statements and replies. What shouldn't be here, is advice based around general gameplay, or implications towards someones motivations behind posting information. Personally? I chose video games because I royally messed up my knee, I used to do nothing but sports. I can only hope to be half as good in 3S as I was in Basketball.
    I don't care that I'm not your favorite person but that doesn't mean I don't care in general. I chose tsundere as the descript for a reason. It's possible to enjoy 3s online just like you would offline but that requires a deeper understanding the games mechanics. Knowledge like that will generally bolster one's ego. I'm not you saying you do this, tele, you really don't but sometimes you forget the politically correct nature of a lot of these discussions and how inhibitions of those sort will lead to many uninformed individuals...(...)
    I really have no problem with you, I don't know you. The only other spat between us that I recall was the wake-up throw misunderstanding we had.

    Progression is good, but progression too fast is bad? Having information out there for everyone to absorb is the right thing. Withholding it because there might be some people that will misuse/misinterpret that info isn't.

    I was a bit too riled up to actually thank you for putting your explanation of the dashing weirdness. So thank you, I don't know if it has anything to do with bars filling up, but I definitely need to do more testing as it just seems weird if this phenomenon only effects dashing...

    BTW, this dash weirdness could be used offline in a scenario such as... Hit a button and hold it, walk back and forth, then input df-back, then quickly forward, if timed correct, there won't be the hesitation of a back dash, there won't be that pixel shift forwards as you have to hit towards twice to dash (which can eliminate something like getting caught at the end of the dash with Chun cr.Fwd). Your opponent might see the crouch as a parry attempt, then you walk back a few pixels, barely out of range, opponent counters, then you dash punish. The timing is a bit tight, but it would look sick. Or at least it does in my head.... /theory nonsense

    To everyone else, thanks for the kind words. Now back to your regularly scheduled 3S programming... that's a bad pun :sweat:

    EDIT: Figured this picture is appropriate...
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  • WTF-AKUMA-HAXWTF-AKUMA-HAX DBGT non canon > maxxvatar OVA Joined: Posts: 17,874
    There goes my "I would pay to watch 3s players play basketball (team tournament), sorry chain smokers or that would make the game be only as long as a match" idea.

    Charity carwash then, Hollywood movie with Snoop & Dr. Dre

    Sorry to hear that man. One of the EVO scholarship winners had the same sorta story, he tooted his own horn too much though with "I was one of the most athletic people I've ever known," I looked that up again yesterday. Your commitment has shown thru with all your results.

    Creating video is a long arduous process, not everyone can do or you wouldn't wish re-records and rendering wait time and problems in encoding on anyone if you've ever been through it yourself, so there shouldn't be anymore "lol combovideo" drama which I never fully understood. But I guess I hated on that other guy's TAS kinda ones, $100 gets 100 tacos. He certainly put in time to understand momentum perhaps, which could make an Elena match be a choreographed jungle, like I think she needs to be played with momentum, a rhythm, or I guess even a kind of dance hah.
    1999 = "A Game with Parries isn't Street Fighter"
    2016 = "Releasing a Complete Game isn't Street Fighter"
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    People will forget what you said.
    People will forget what you did.
    But, people will never forget how you made them feel.

  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    snip
    A game of Horse could be fun ;)

    I wasn't the most athletic, but I could argue I was the most dedicated of the playground players. Thanks.

    I wouldn't wish that on anyone, no way. Oh what's that? While you wait for the rendering to finish, you play some OE and run into something that should go in the video, causing your render essentially useless? That rings a few bells...

    Real talk... AlexxShadenk777 made some killer DMC3 videos back when TST was more popular.
  • NoMoreFunlandNoMoreFunland Perfection equals obliteration! Joined: Posts: 1,229
    Yomi: I'd understand voicing an opinion on either side but against the whole? You are definitely a lot more bored than any of us. I don't post stupid shit, I post bullshit.
    :rofl: Good one. It's true that your bullshit isn't very dumb no matter how hard it is to read through.
    Maybe Yomi is using his remaining powers to try and stabilize this thread by offering himself up as sacrificial lamb. Common enemy unites, or something. lol

    Telesniper: Could you explain what you mean with your method of TKD. From the explanation it looks to me like your hitting :f: and :df: between lpx2 and the lk. Is this kinda like the idea of hitting lpx3 to make sure the input gets registered at the right time. So effectively your trying to get 2 toward inputs at the middle portion?
  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    Telesniper: Could you explain what you mean with your method of TKD. From the explanation it looks to me like your hitting :f: and :df: between lpx2 and the lk. Is this kinda like the idea of hitting lpx3 to make sure the input gets registered at the right time. So effectively your trying to get 2 toward inputs at the middle portion?
    Correct, I'm trying to maximize my chances of getting the towards input to register at the correct point, I don't know for sure if it help mechanically, but it definitely helps my consistency!

    With recent dash/towards input discrepancies, I'm not sure if it's actually adding that towards input... I'll do some tests in a bit.
  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 8,177
    Just checking as I'm unable to test this right now:

    I know if Urien does LP Headbutt on wakeup you can interrupt it with a meaty. But you can't use a meaty to interrupt EX Headbutt on wakeup, right?

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  • TebboTebbo Play. Joined: Posts: 5,700
    pretty sure you can.
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  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 8,177
    All I needed to know then. Thanks.
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    Anyone know if Hugo can get out of this setup?
  • LouiscipherLouiscipher Joined: Posts: 8,177
    No.

    :)
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  • yuukiyuuki Joined: Posts: 782
    Deemo wrote: »

    Anyone know if Hugo can get out of this setup?

    I had a hard time setting it up to test it on OE but depending on where I was in the air when I got hit by it and such I could reversal do reversal shootdown backbreaker. sometimes that would get grabbed by stungun though. Can't check now but id guess reversal hammer mountain could work.
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  • telesnipertelesniper Joined: Posts: 365
    edited February 2013
    Deemo wrote: »
    Anyone know if Hugo can get out of this setup?
    cr.FIERCE! lol, I'm serious, it worked. Doing a reversal with any special was stuffed, but cr.Fierce got me out...

    EDIT: Ok, tried with Hugo jumping from a little further back.... cr.Fierce didn't get him out... But reversal EX Lariat hit Alex! The timing looks like the same in the video. It's funny, reversal EX Lariat was stuffed before, but now it was the only way out.. Maybe a non-reversal EX Lariat would have worked with the other timing...

  • DeemoDeemo Joined: Posts: 466
    TBF ex lariat would be the last thing a hugo would try after suddenly seeing sa3 activate :P

    I think SA2 might be a good option? in the slow motion it looks like Hugo has a few frames to do something but i bet it would be really hard to time in a match
  • circle mashercircle masher Joined: Posts: 396
    Deemo said:
    TBF ex lariat would be the last thing a hugo would try after suddenly seeing sa3 activate :P

    I think SA2 might be a good option? in the slow motion it looks like Hugo has a few frames to do something but i bet it would be really hard to time in a match
    Nah bud, EX Lariat is the most consistent anti-Stungun tool I've found that Hugo has without relying on Hammer. Pretty sure Megaton wouldn't have grabbed in that little window at the end but will test.
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