Paradise Arcade Joystick Project Magenta

armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.comJoined: Posts: 1,826
I hope everyone had a great holiday season, we enjoyed seeing a lot of new and old faces. As some of you may have noticed, I have taken a large step back from the day to day company activities and my wife Susan has taken over the lion share of those details... I am happy to announce one of 4 projects that will explain why(aside from being an overworked medical resident)

We are happy to announce our latest project which still needs a name but has been going under the project name of Magenta (Patent Pending). We have finished the proof of concept with rough prototypes, and now are polishing up our designs to get some production prototypes produced!
Just when you thought everything that could be done with joysticks was done, we thought we'd try to take you one step further. There are countless tutorials and online posts about how to mod your joystick to make it the ultimate fighting stick: reduce throw, reduce resistance, swap micros, increase stiffness, etc etc.... the list goes on and on. And yes electrical tape works great, but isn't there a better way?

So most sticks work with relatively even distributions of action and create a map that looks like this:
Joys%252520Regular.jpg

A central neutral zone, with movement in your cardinal and secondary directions surrounding it... but let's say you want to play a game that focuses on cardinal directions, not entirely but it's the focus, wouldn't you want a map that looked more like this:
Joys%252520mod2.jpg

Or let's say you are playing a game where you need to do quick combos and want to reduce the throw to do some impressive upper cuts, you might want a pattern like this:
Joys%252520mod.jpg

Enter the Paradise Magenta, a noncontact analog joystick that plugs into the standard JLF connection (it just needs an 5V supply) and can be programmed to any custom radial mapping you want. Modifications are done through a very simple usb connection and custom software.

Want an incredibly sensitive joystick? reduce the central neutral circle so if you breath on the stick it reacts. Quick combo sweeps, use the patterns above. Early prototypes are on a JLF base but can also easily be used on almost any joystick (with some limitations on total throw distance) The system will allow you to keep your existing micro switches on the stick or remove them entirely for silent operation.

Anticipated release date is April 1(no that's not a joke) and we expect some production quality prototypes for testing in late Feb and will take pictures as soon as we get the next round of prototype parts in an assembled. (round one is not so photogenic...)

Just imagine a joystick like the Flash, where you can completely modify the way the stick reacts to suit the game and playing style you have. We expect a customized set of gates to follow soon after the first release.... The response to the players we've talked to so far has been great, so I thought I would announce to see if any last minute ideas could be incorporated as we move forward. We are also looking for a new name.
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  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,912
    We are also looking for a new name.
    The Imperial Scepter
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,476 mod
    We are also looking for a new name.
    The Hole!

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  • NerrageNerrage STICKS for JOY Joined: Posts: 3,349
    Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Could this possibly be used to output analog directions, not just digital ones? And still use the 5V for High, use the same Ground from the JLF-H harness for Low, and then the remaining signal wires from the JLF-H to be used for Wiper in analog directions?

    That'd be super godlike. For advanced modders only, but still, it'd be awesome to have an option for analog joysticks readily available other than the LS-64. Especially for twin pilot sticks, or something of the like.
  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,778
    I definitely agree that an analog arcade stick other than the super spendy two I can think of would be pretty sweet.
    Can you say if you folks would be using potentiometers, hall effect sensors, inductive sensors, or something else?
    Just when you thought everything that could be done with joysticks was done
    Oh god no. Never thought that for a moment. :)
  • kowalkowal smell like Sanwa Joined: Posts: 400
    this look how clone UltraStick 360
    analog hall effect PCB
    Luftwaffe use only Suzo
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    The Imperial Scepter
    My buddy back in CT would love that name!
    this look how clone UltraStick 360
    analog hall effect PCB
    No exactly, the 360 uses a 49 way grid which does not have nearly the capabilities we are talking about here and uses a usb connection for it's interface. This stick would have a standard JLF interface and the resolution of adjustment using radial coordinates allows for much better customization than the 49 box grid. 360 is a nice all in one solution for Mame where you have a computer interpreting an analog signal, and there are a few others like this, the goal of this stick is to be a stand alone for the fight stick market.
    I definitely agree that an analog arcade stick other than the super spendy two I can think of would be pretty sweet.
    Can you say if you folks would be using potentiometers, hall effect sensors, inductive sensors, or something else?
    Oh god no. Never thought that for a moment. :)
    The idea would be hall, we have some new sensors that are working well. Right now it doesn't look like it will be cheap but we are hoping we can do it for less than the cost of a JLF with an added optical sensor like the Flash.
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  • RosserRoosterRosserRooster Cocka-doodle-do MoFo Joined: Posts: 2,069
    we can do it for less than the cost of a JLF with an added optical sensor like the Flash.

    Do you mean less than the reissued Flash1 that's going to be around $60 or are you speaking of the original Flash1 that is usually sold for well over $100
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  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    Target is around 60 for the controller board, and we will be releasing a few joystick bundles as our new products come out...
    www.paradisearcadeshop.com Sanwa, Seimitsu and a ton of custom parts
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  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    Whoa, whoa, whoa, WHOA. Could this possibly be used to output analog directions, not just digital ones? And still use the 5V for High, use the same Ground from the JLF-H harness for Low, and then the remaining signal wires from the JLF-H to be used for Wiper in analog directions?

    That'd be super godlike. For advanced modders only, but still, it'd be awesome to have an option for analog joysticks readily available other than the LS-64. Especially for twin pilot sticks, or something of the like.
    Their will definitely be a fully analog option also.... We want this for Mame, fighters and classic guys.
    www.paradisearcadeshop.com Sanwa, Seimitsu and a ton of custom parts
    2015 Tech Talk Store of the Year and Product of the Year, OBS-MX buttons
    2014 Tech Talk Stick Mod of the Year, LVT3 TE2
    2013 Tech Talk Store of the Year and Product of the Year, Kaimana Led Controller
  • NerrageNerrage STICKS for JOY Joined: Posts: 3,349
    Their will definitely be a fully analog option also.... We want this for Mame, fighters and classic guys.
    Awesome. Can't wait to get my hands on a pair.
  • Politank-ZPolitank-Z Joined: Posts: 501
    Smash Bros Arcade?! FFFFUUUU
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    There were inductives with 4 sensors where you could adjust them to ignore diagonals by dulling the sensitivity, these were potentiometer controlled the switch between 8 and 4 way . The joystick we are testing is a significant step forward from this in how it actually functions. However in a basic dumbed down version the Magenta could replace the inductives... Hmmm another sales path :)
    www.paradisearcadeshop.com Sanwa, Seimitsu and a ton of custom parts
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    2013 Tech Talk Store of the Year and Product of the Year, Kaimana Led Controller
  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,850
    So... This item could be an add-on to Seimitsu joysticks as well?? Hmm...

    I'd think it would be most useful probably on the LS-32 and LS-33's. Not so sure about the LS-40 and LS-56. Those joysticks are fairly sensitive/short throw already.

    The LS-33 is sort of like the JLF (from what I've read) but honestly I've only played with the -32-01 and -40-01. Good chance I will buy an LS-58-01 later in the year, too.

    What I appreciate about the Seimitsus I own are the gated microswitches. That made a huge difference between being able to play with a square gate and not... I just never could hack the square gate on the JLF and was never fully comfortable with the joystick due to the microswitches and immense throw. I literally couldn't play CPS-2 or NEO GEO games on the hte JLF to save my life!
  • d3vd3v Coughing DAT PINK SPIT Joined: Posts: 36,476 mod
    Now all that's missing is for someone to make a PCB that can switch between digital and analog (left and right) stick, like the MCZ and HRAP3... but with proper analog.

    Paging Toodles...
    You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.
    -Mike_Z

    If there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.
    -PersiaXO
  • emphaticemphatic Joined: Posts: 478
    Wow, this sounds really cool. Count me in as a buyer. Now all I wanna see before I die is an 8-way stick that uses 8 microswitches.
    I love shmups and never play fighting games.
    Here's my Guwange stick: http://www.emphatic.se/?p=197
  • ToodlesToodles da Fetus of Gawd! Joined: Posts: 10,778
    Now all that's missing is for someone to make a PCB that can switch between digital and analog (left and right) stick, like the MCZ and HRAP3... but with proper analog.

    Paging Toodles...
    Busy :) Im sure they could add a beasty like that if they wanted.
    Wow, this sounds really cool. Count me in as a buyer. Now all I wanna see before I die is an 8-way stick that uses 8 microswitches.
    It's been done, poorly. Check out the SF4 voice keychains.
  • rtdzignrtdzign Joined: Posts: 5,176
    If you are going to do full analog, It would be nice if there was raw analog pots to solder to the Low, Wiper, and Hi contacts for a PCB potentiometer. I think 0-10k would match what is on standard joysticks.
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    I wouldn't bump old threads unless there was a reason!
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  • UnstupidUnstupid Joined: Posts: 9
    Give me a reason! U need beta tester yea?
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    Gamma testing :)
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    2014 Tech Talk Stick Mod of the Year, LVT3 TE2
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  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,346
  • enb141enb141 Joined: Posts: 68
    Do you have any pictures of anything to show about this project?

    Is this one going to be able to enable/disable the analog part?
  • DarksakulDarksakul Your lack of faith disturbs me Joined: Posts: 22,912
    enb141 wrote: »
    Do you have any pictures of anything to show about this project?

    Is this one going to be able to enable/disable the analog part?

    I think the PCB you would be using is a factor as well.
    "You must defeat Sheng Long to stand a chance."
  • enb141enb141 Joined: Posts: 68
    Darksakul wrote: »
    enb141 wrote: »
    Do you have any pictures of anything to show about this project?

    Is this one going to be able to enable/disable the analog part?

    I think the PCB you would be using is a factor as well.

    You are right PCB is gonna be another factor depending how they implement their X/Y axis movement.

  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    The first iteration will allow for switching between the analog and microswitch activation easily, but you will need to open the bottom of the stick currently.

    I have to clarify. the joystick will measure movement in analog, but will out put digital signals through the same harness as the JLF would normally plug into.

    Pictures will be posted when the next iteration of boards is done. We are on prototype gen 3. We are getting ready to order production boards... someone may have helped us out with a new logo that we are excited to mask on to the new PCBs.
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    2015 Tech Talk Store of the Year and Product of the Year, OBS-MX buttons
    2014 Tech Talk Stick Mod of the Year, LVT3 TE2
    2013 Tech Talk Store of the Year and Product of the Year, Kaimana Led Controller
  • enb141enb141 Joined: Posts: 68
    So you are saying that the magenta will process internally as analog but externally will put data as digital as currently a microswitch does
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    Yes, but the analog to digital map may be edited.
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  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,850
    How large would the PCB LED controller be?
    Would it be small enough to fit into a Tek-Case mini or Agetec Dreamcast joystick case?

    I don't think it would be a problem for the Razer Atrox or the upcoming XBox-One Mad Catz TE2 joystick but it could be an issue with a shallower body stick like the HRAP V3/VX or the existing Mad Catz TE's with those internal shelves with the holes which otherwise are decent for tying/tethering PCB's... once you clear out the space for them!

    HRAP 3-style cases should be fine. Plenty of room in there. The HRAP N3 is a question mark because of the design decision to enclose the joystick lever area from the buttons... (Yeesh! Excepting the HRAP VLX which is almost perfect for mods, the last few Hori joystick cases have all had their issues which can make modding/service a pain-in-the-butt.)
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    it will add some depth, but... it will also be compatible with the new shallow paradise stick I"m working on. So George, I think I can do under 28mm, but can promise I'll have a stick under 30mm. :)
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  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,346
    PAS is going to make cases??
  • hibachifinalhibachifinal 後方互換性 Joined: Posts: 1,642
    iNENDOi wrote: »
    PAS is going to make cases??

    i think he meant an actual lever joystick, there was mention of PAS lever mechs in the other thread :)
  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,346
    Oh, right. I remember discussing that on another thread. I should probably wait a few hours after I wake up before I start throwing comments up. Ha.
  • armi0024armi0024 Dash Cancel Expert, paradisearcadeshop.com Joined: Posts: 1,826
    Haha I never said we aren't going to make cases :) but this discussion is about levers specifically
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  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,850
    armi0024 wrote: »
    it will add some depth, but... it will also be compatible with the new shallow paradise stick I"m working on. So George, I think I can do under 28mm, but can promise I'll have a stick under 30mm. :)


    I hope you didn't misunderstand me...
    I was NOT talking about control levers but the actual length/size of the PCB controller board. That concerns me since some of us do rehab retro joysticks (pre-HRAP line models) and occasionally use those as our main joysticks. These would include the Agetec, the Capcom Power Stick, occasionally a Hori Fighting Stick PS1/SS, the Hori PS1 Namco Joystick, and a rare joystick like the metal fight stick made for the SNES and Konami HyperStick of PS1 vintage.

    The Agetec is pretty good at accomodating Cthulu-size PCBs and can probably fit at least two PCB's that size inside the joystick... It's fairly roomy compared to the other retro joystick shells I've seen. The others excepting the Konami HyperStick would be tighter fits. I had the Hori Fighting Stick SS so I can vouch for the small interior space of that particular joystick case.
  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,346
    GeorgeC wrote: »
    I hope you didn't misunderstand me...

    If there is any misunderstanding it may be because this thread is about a programmable joystick lever and not a LED board.
  • GeorgeCGeorgeC Joined: Posts: 2,850
    Whatever...

    Your picture makes you look intelligent, too.

    Armi, sorry for the misunderstanding.
    I think we were talking past "each other."

    It's been that kind of week for me!
  • NENDONENDO I will meditate and then destroy you. Joined: Posts: 3,346
    You can keep the attitude. I was just letting you know.
  • SusanInParadiseSusanInParadise Joined: Posts: 100
    edited October 2013
    Aloha everyone! I have my own account! Look at our latest and greatest! These are so cool! GeorgeC-you're gonna love em!!

    Paradise Has More Balls! Seriously! Our supplier came to me a few months ago asking me for input on choosing the colors for this Bi-Color balltop, and they took my suggestions! Check these babies out....I hope there are more to come.


    2013-10-042013-10-042013-10-04

    We will have them up on the site as soon as they are in hand! Should be a week or so.

    Have a great weekend all!
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    beautiful
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