Last Blade 2 Character Guides/Advanced System thread

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  • Mushishi GinkoMushishi Ginko Joined: Posts: 210
    use a ground normal on them as soon as you think they'll jump again

    I'll have to try that next time. That sounds promising. I'll have to play around with what might work in this situation.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Basically what you do is hit them with jump :snka: or something, so you land before them. That way your :l::snkb:/:d::snkb: or whatever has time to hit them before they jump again. If they start attacking as soon as they jump, just duck first, or block, then punish, but your attack should hit them first anyway.

    Setsuna can punish that kind of mass jump crap from wayyy back.
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  • Mushishi GinkoMushishi Ginko Joined: Posts: 210
    How about an overhead in that situation?
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Overheads would work, but that's assuming you're on speed, and not all of them have enough range or speed. You could also make them land on a speed combo special if they're being really retarded about it.

    Also, if you jump against these guys. Make sure it's always with an air-air attack.
    Certain power unblockables may catch them as well if they're not good at parrying.

    You should be able to catch them with a combo when they land though, even if they block. Unless they're literally just holding up the entire match, they won't jump quick enough to avoid being sucked to the ground.

    It's just about being patient and punishing their mistakes. These guys rarely have anything on the offensive front besides jumps, so basically you're in control of the momentum.
    The most common character you'll see this with is Power Hibiki since her slash hits so far downwards, and it's hard to parry and crosses-up easily.

    Kagami and Kaede seem to have slightly more difficulty punishing this if the guy's literally off the ground all the time, since they lack any good vertical hitting slashes. So you're gonna have to choose your timing more carefully. It's worth noting that Kagami's :dp::snkb: is unblockable in the air on the first hit, and the first hit is out for a long time.

    Remember, most early jump attacks will completely miss you if you duck. So if they're jumping like that close to you, you can probably duck the initial hit and then punish them on the way down. Although that's probably best reserved for the corner when you're sure they're probably going to jump back or straight up. Also, keep in mind that you can't air block when jumping forward.

    A lot of these people like to hug the corner as well, so make sure your timing is careful once they're there, or if you've got a lead, just let them sit there like idiots.

    The thing is to remember not to dash after them after a reset unless you're planning to go air-air with them again, because early air attacks will often miss you if you're neutral, but hit you if you're moving forward since your sprite is bigger. This is the same reason why many Japanese players will leave the stick on neutral between movements instead of always blocking in Street Fighter games.

    So basically, you'd fight these the same way you'd fight a good Okina player. With careful forward movement, except you don't have to worry about projectiles.
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  • Mushishi GinkoMushishi Ginko Joined: Posts: 210
    It's worth noting that Kagami's :dp::snkb: is unblockable on the first hit, and the first hit is out for a long time.

    I'm assuming you mean it's air unblockable.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    You would be correct sir.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Update

    Added 11 new LB2 match videos on youtube.
    2 from A-CHO and 9 from VIP.
    I wish I could find more GIGO videos because those guys are probably the best in Japan.
    http://youtube.com/profile_videos?user=Kyokuji













    Kagami player in the first vid' hits that 1 frame link with crazy consistency.
    Also linked to 2 of Abar's videos in the first post. Meijin's probably the best Shigen player I've seen, and Daiki's probably the most well known LB2 player around.
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  • Radiant93Radiant93 -Radiant- Joined: Posts: 596
    nice...
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  • Mushishi GinkoMushishi Ginko Joined: Posts: 210
    Update
    Kagami player in the first vid' hits that 1 frame link with crazy consistency.

    Yeah, I think he hit about 50-75% of his attempts. I liked how he was using :d::snka: and :d::snkb:. That :d::snkc: dive to :qcf::snkb:x2 combo off the parry in the corner was sweet as well. I'm really impressed by his execution. What do you think about his use of the dive? It seemed overly aggressive to me but maybe because it wasn't working so well in these vids.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    I don't like to use it much since it's hit or miss most of the time, but a quick low dive on occasion is good for keeping your opponent honest. If you're really good at reading your opponent, you might get more use out of it. It's great for punishing deflect/throw attempts in advance, and good as a cross under move.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Juzoh VS Kagami video up.
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  • Hitaro0Hitaro0 Joined: Posts: 583
    Woah, only Akari, Yuki, O.Kaede and Imacheat are left Oo;;

    That Kagami DOES jump a lot >>
  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 923
    random thing i thought i'd add for Amano: You can link his f,b,f A after a forward B in speed/Ex. haven't tried it in power mode.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    You sure? I haven't been able to get it to work.
    You sure it wasn't off a dash B? The ending animations look similar.
    You can link his :d::snka: off his dash attack though. I should probably add that.

    I'm getting someone to e-mail me some of the videos I lost. I'm not sure if he still has them all, but we'll see.
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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 923
    I'm positive. Just be sure both hits of the forward b connect. Like Back A, A, forward B -> f,b,f A xx dm (ex). I'll link you to a video that has it in there.

    edit: http://www.combovideos.com/page.php?id=1028
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Ah, I got it to work. You didn't tell me it only worked in the corner.

    Also, this was just added to youtube:
    DarkOne LB2 Combo Video
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=oVMD9oYwSKw
    DarkOne was the one performing the combos in the other KoFUnion video.

    Some crazy shit I've never seen before, although I gotta wonder if any of it is pre-programmed. Didn't know you could link forward C off Amano's back A, even if it doesn't have much practical use. It's surprisingly easy though.
    Don't know exactly how he sucks people out of a knockdown state. My only guess is he dizzies them at the exact same moment. The thing he does against Shigen's counter super is nuts too.
    Also, Speed Juzoh has :d::snkc: (x2-3) into :r::l::snkc::qcf::snkc::qcf::snkc: apparently, but he can be hit afterwards, so it's only good as a finisher sadly. Too bad, it would've been a big boost for Speed Juzoh, but at the very least if you do use him, you'll be much more dangerous once your opponent gets below 80 health.

    And before anyone says anything about the one Shigen combo, apparently you can grab certain characters out of hitstun if they're crouching Works on Setsuna, Kojiroh and Lee.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    I'm getting the videos from my contact, but apparently, it's like 2 gigs worth of stuff, so depending on the quality of these videos, I'm going to have 'a lot' of stuff to upload for those who're interested.
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  • 46494649 Certainly, they existed. Joined: Posts: 1,301
    I'm getting the videos from my contact, but apparently, it's like 2 gigs worth of stuff, so depending on the quality of these videos, I'm going to have 'a lot' of stuff to upload for those who're interested.

    Good stuff, please keep them coming! :lovin: :lovin:
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  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 923
    Send me them on aim at some point if you can

    or hook me up with your contact. whatever works
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    I'll stick 'em up on youtube. Rather not send you 2 gigs worth of files over IM, lol.
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  • Mushishi GinkoMushishi Ginko Joined: Posts: 210
    I'll stick 'em up on youtube.

    Stick 'em up?!
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    That's not good enough son. The lord requires sacrifices.
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  • AionAion Is a Pre-Madonna Joined: Posts: 1,044
    Is it really recommended to use Poer Kaede over Speed Kaede? I've gotten pretty used to his speed version, but is his power version significantly better?

    Also, where would speed Kaede be on the tierlist? Thanks in advance.
  • Dracula_XDracula_X unblockable Joined: Posts: 923
    lol i don't want all of them, just the kofunion vids

    and here's the tier list. It's on the first page of this topic but w/e

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...93&postcount=1

    Kaede does more damage in power, his meter fills up really fast, his links aren't to extremely hard (minus 1), good pokes, other good stuff. Here:

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...5&postcount=34 (also on the first page of this topic :P)
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  • AionAion Is a Pre-Madonna Joined: Posts: 1,044
    lol i don't want all of them, just the kofunion vids

    and here's the tier list. It's on the first page of this topic but w/e

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...93&postcount=1

    Kaede does more damage in power, his meter fills up really fast, his links aren't to extremely hard (minus 1), good pokes, other good stuff. Here:

    http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost...5&postcount=34 (also on the first page of this topic :P)
    Thank you, I've read the tierlist though; and as you know, it doesn't list the ranking for all the skills; only P Kaede is up there, not speed.
  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Speed Kaede is considerably worse. He loses a ton of damage potential, because he can't gain meter anywhere near as fast, so he can't DM off his command throw as often. Plus, he loses
    :l::snka:, :r::snkc: > DM combos, and can't DM combo off a ground recover punish as often either. He does gain cancellable low :snkc:, but he doesn't really have anything safe to use off it, and :d::snkc: has lousy recovery anyway.
    His :qcf::qcf::snka::snkb: DM is considerably slower and is not combo-able in speed either, further neutering his damage output (his other DM doesn't combo period from a chain). Losing his big comeback tool: :l::snka: (x2-3), :snka: > :qcf::qcf::snkb: hurts too.

    The biggest loss outside of damage, is the chip/stagger block on his normals including his :snka:, one of the safest and most dangerous long range pokes in the game.

    He can link into his speed combo special from his command throw on speed, but since the damage is roughly equivalent to his DM on power and since you won't be able to do it as often, that pretty much voids any kind of advantage it would've given you.
    The only real advantage to using Speed Kaede is that he has a good overhead, but that's hardly a reason to switch. Also, his speed chains aren't that great, because you're forced to use :dp::snka: or :r::snkc: for consistency and his fireball sucks because it gives your opponent frame advantage.

    I'd probably put him just below Power Juzoh.
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  • AionAion Is a Pre-Madonna Joined: Posts: 1,044
    Speed Kaede is considerably worse. He loses a ton of damage potential, because he can't gain meter anywhere near as fast, so he can't DM off his command throw as often. Plus, he loses
    :l::snka:, :r::snkc: > DM combos, and can't DM combo off a ground recover punish as often either. He does gain cancellable low :snkc:, but he doesn't really have anything safe to use off it, and :d::snkc: has lousy recovery anyway.
    His :qcf::qcf::snka::snkb: DM is considerably slower and is not combo-able in speed either, further neutering his damage output (his other DM doesn't combo period from a chain). Losing his big comeback tool: :l::snka: (x2-3), :snka: > :qcf::qcf::snkb: hurts too.

    The biggest loss outside of damage, is the chip/stagger block on his normals including his :snka:, one of the safest and most dangerous long range pokes in the game.

    He can link into his speed combo special from his command throw on speed, but since the damage is roughly equivalent to his DM on power and since you won't be able to do it as often, that pretty much voids any kind of advantage it would've given you.
    The only real advantage to using Speed Kaede is that he has a good overhead, but that's hardly a reason to switch. Also, his speed chains aren't that great, because you're forced to use :dp::snka: or :r::snkc: for consistency and his fireball sucks because it gives your opponent frame advantage.

    I'd probably put him just below Power Juzoh.
    Thanks, much appreciated! Looks like I better start learning his power form. I kinda stuck with speed because I logically thought that fencers would normally emphasis it, but I guess anything goes in games.
  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Yeah, you'd expect Shigen to be better in power as well, but it ain't the case.
    Links also made a lot of characters who were obviously meant for speed, better in power.
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  • SystemSystem Joined: Posts: 508,676 admin
    i was wondering is da old man better in power or speed. sry for not knowing his name
    kyokuji u probaly dont remeber me cuz i had various names but remeber when i used 2 own u in lb2 on kaillera : )
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  • Alucard20Alucard20 Omega Joined: Posts: 1,148
    Nice thread, Kyokuji. I'm going to try and learn this game now.


    Edit:Kyokuji, do u have some tourney play of Moriya?IF so can u upload it on filefront or something?I kinda hate youtube quality.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    I might in the new batch of videos I'm getting. Might be a bit before I finish receiving them though.
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  • Alucard20Alucard20 Omega Joined: Posts: 1,148
    ok thanks mate.
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    Tons of new videos up with some more character variety this time.
    Among them being a (somewhat excessively) careful Okina player who manages to do alright.
    Lots of Okina and Kojiroh for those who wanted to see them though.
    Some Speed Kaede and Power Washizuka for those who wanted to see their less played counterparts as well. The Speed Kaede player has a particularly good match against a Power Lee.
    An impressive S. Washizuka player in the Dec 16 ranbat as well.

    Still got some others I need to sort through.
    The Chinese could stand to compress their shit a little.

    Nice to see that Daiki and them are still playing and hosting ranbats though.

    Honestly, Moriya and Zantetsu are strange cases. I have trouble finding stuff with them in it. Moriya probably has the highest potential of any character in the game, but most of the people who play him tend to be too reckless with his teleport and too focused on rush down. The Moriya player in the video at the bottom isn't too bad, but EX seriously crippled his chances there. Moriya gains like almost nothing from using EX, and you need to be able to take hits 'porting around like that, so I dunno what that guy was thinking.

    Zantetsu has a ton of tools at his disposal even without his dash slice, but most of the better players seem to steer clear of him. Sort of an O. Sagat deal, and probably, because it's awkward having to try and not do a move that's so central to his gameplay. All the Zantetsu players I have seen have been very underwhelming though. Outside of when Daiki or somebody busts him out for casuals.
    Kagami, Lee, Kaede, Amano, and Washizuka definitely seem to be the most played characters though.

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    (The Chinese are very good at this game, don't underestimate them)

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=xBUQxnyz638 P. Juzoh VS P. Mukuro (Large file size)
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ecf_qbieEQs P. Amano VS S. Shigen (Large file size)

    Zyclub China Casuals

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pr2wFA3CisY P. Kagami VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=kaUiwujWWt8 S. Hibiki VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=qvqs5KB2jW0 P. Amano VS P. Kaede

    December 02, 2006 Japanese Ranbat

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=nhSNpWCOTNY P. Kaede VS P. Kagami
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=jBseXYTuIqo P. Kaede VS P. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8P-jgX5rJ_s P. Kaede VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=KTXFHAiQjEk P. Okina VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GBObXUsATKg P. Kagami VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=fEHTJQOY6KU S. Kojiroh VS P. Kagami
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=_HUheSZmSWE S. Kojiroh VS P. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=pPkOqwl03PU S. Kaede VS P. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=DG_n2YA1rJw S. Kaede VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ukoqNwbiKL4 S. Washizuka VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=_VG17580QQ8 S. Kojiroh VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=4oSEQMECvbE S. Washizuka VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=aG07SdCHbNY S. Washizuka VS P. Okina
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=I7UD0QepOtM S. Kaede VS P. Okina
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=ASI5cunHKWY S. Kaede VS P. Lee
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=rkNujqjDC50 P. Kagami VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=nyQXNNd0zG0 S. Kaede VS P. Washizuka


    December 16, 2006 Japanese Ranbat

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=LU_lu_RjVp0 P. Kagami VS S. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=KOjtoMpL2DE S. Kojiroh VS P. Mukuro
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=QkqpmwNE93A P. Mukuro VS S. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=6vLrJi4yi8M P. Kagami VS S. Kojiroh
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=GfAPrYZUFCk P. Lee VS P. Okina
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=FyVNH34flfY P. Kagami VS EX Amano
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=UpSGRQPfyKc S. Kojiroh VS P. Kagami
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=uBe3z4Zw_mg P. Kagami VS S. Washizuka
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=etu98T4IQtA P. Washizuka VS S. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=EQWlntJ8LPg P. Kagami VS P. Amano
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=CHVYUlaRXfY S. Kojiroh VS P. Amano
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=n7DqOohtAcI S. Kojiroh VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=MZMDjIsZfQU S. Washizuka VS P. Kaede
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=exhHboUVNCE S. Washizuka VS P. Kagami

    Douga Main Battle Matches

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=3YYptJsF54I P. Hibiki VS P. Kagami
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=PPjsDNXtNVw P. Kagami VS EX Moriya
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  • Nightwing1990Nightwing1990 WING-NUTT Joined: Posts: 370
    Wassup with this no setsuna's wtf
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  • Alucard20Alucard20 Omega Joined: Posts: 1,148
    Mind telling me where I can download some of those(other then youtube)?

    Also, Moriya look like he has some pretty sweet ass combos, but I wanted to know...are those same combos(the ones the Ex Moriya player was doing)possible in speed mode?

    And why isn't anyone playing last blade 2 on kaillera?I want to get in this game, but maybe it's abit too late....
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  • KyokujiKyokuji Needlessly Perverted Joined: Posts: 2,926
    EX is no different from speed mode outside of super cancels. There were a couple Setsunas in the earlier videos I posted. He's probably one of the most basic characters in the game so not a lot of people play him.
    He's got a lot of damage output and some nice mind-games with his super armor, but not much else.
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  • Nightwing1990Nightwing1990 WING-NUTT Joined: Posts: 370
    I've played u b4, and ummm Bobo-Da-Homo w\e happened to him, but anyways i should get back into playing this again now that ppl still play it, gunna get back in the game with oi
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  • Alucard20Alucard20 Omega Joined: Posts: 1,148
    EX is no different from speed mode outside of super cancels. There were a couple Setsunas in the earlier videos I posted. He's probably one of the most basic characters in the game so not a lot of people play him.
    He's got a lot of damage output and some nice mind-games with his super armor, but not much else.


    Hmmmm, interesting. I'm a noob in this game(started about four or five days ago) and I've been workin Moriya a little bit and I wanted to know do u have that combo down(the ones the ex Moriya player was doing) in your Moriya guide?If not, can u write down the combo?Sorry if i'm asking too much here.:sweat:


    Also, is there a server where some people play last blade2?
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  • Nightwing1990Nightwing1990 WING-NUTT Joined: Posts: 370
    Hmmmm, interesting. I'm a noob in this game(started about four or five days ago) and I've been workin Moriya a little bit and I wanted to know do u have that combo down(the ones the ex Moriya player was doing) in your Moriya guide?If not, can u write down the combo?Sorry if i'm asking too much here.:sweat:


    Also, is there a server where some people play last blade2?

    Do u mean a server for only lb2 or do mean a server where ppl play?
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