The "SFxT isn't turtle-y unless you turtle" thread (good matches)

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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    OP is pointing out there there are different play styles but no one appreciates that fact that he collected a ton of high level play and out it together for people to watch. I think the game is incredibly flexible. Some people don't like turtles, does that mean we should remove that ENTIRE play style from the game? I think that would only serve to lessen the game overall. It should cater to many different styles. That is the that mark of a good game.
    Exactly. The OP doesn't even say he dislikes playing defensively or that turtle-ing is wrong/not the way to play this game, he simply wants to point out the fact that rushdown in SFxT is definitely in there and wants to prove that with these videos.

    +70 minutes of gameplay: 3 time outs counted...


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  • NyoronoruNyoronoru Vocaloid DLC Joined: Posts: 1,647
    I also love how most of you are saying that people in SFxT just hop around a lot and whatever. What about KoF? There is a SHIT TON of jumping in that game. OH, but since it's cool to hate on SFxT and KoF is a "real honest fighting game" (that is meaningless statement btw) it's ok that there is alot of jumping in the game.

    There's also a shit-ton of invincible/autoguarding/normal anti-airs in KOF. It also helps in KOF that you walk and run/dash way faster so it's easier to space yourself around jumps. Hell you can even anti-air hops with standing lights...

    I hope you have actually played the game and aren't just commenting because you are bitter.
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  • otoriotori Keep calm and huehuehue Joined: Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭✭
    Oh god that sf x t comparison to kof, oh god. And marvel people sure like to jump in that game huh?
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    i like how the very first round of the very first video you posted was 3 seconds from a time over and the person who won woulda won from time anyway.

    Lol, now ALMOST time outs are seen as a problem.

    Next week ALMOST, ALMOST time outs will be seen as a problem.

    Last week I was in my OTHER, OTHER Benz.


    I hope you have actually played the game and aren't just commenting because you are bitter.


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  • PKSkylerPKSkyler Viewtiful and Stylish! Joined: Posts: 6,998
    Lol, now ALMOST time outs are seen as a problem.

    Next week ALMOST, ALMOST time outs will be seen as a problem.

    Last week I was in my OTHER, OTHER Benz.
    /quote]

    its not a problem, its just funny/the truth.

    2 fighters going head to head and the even with a KO it ends on 3 seconds.

    That means if someone did one extra super, or "turtled" more, it woulda been a time over.
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  • PterodactylPterodactyl Daddy's fucked up secret Joined: Posts: 4,672 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Whenever I hear the "you're playing it wrong" I know the game sucks. You can't play a good game wrong. It should be satisfying...aka "fun"...no matter how you play it.


    Because you cant do something wrong and still have fun.

    oh wait, that doesn't make since because you can.

    and it is possible to not play this game right.

    Like not blocking, or only using kick attacks, though you might be able to squeeze some fun out of playing those ways I guess if you like to fight with some sort of challenge.
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  • EshiEshi Joined: Posts: 26
    [SIZE=12px]its not a problem, its just funny/the truth.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=12px]2 fighters going head to head and the even with a KO it ends on 3 seconds.[/SIZE]

    [SIZE=12px]That means if someone did one extra super, or "turtled" more, it woulda been a time over.[/SIZE]
    "time-out" is not a synonym for "turtle". this thread is about turtling and how it's by far not the only style of play.
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  • KrackatoaKrackatoa Ensaikyopedia Trolldanica. Joined: Posts: 2,117 ✭✭
    I don't think the timeout situation can be helped, short of slowing down the timer. You can completely body someone in seconds if you land a frame-trap and two big combos if they don't tag out. Red life and tagging create this huge disparity between short matches and long ones.
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  • tatakitataki Non-SF4/MVC3 FG news: twitter.com/#!/novriltataki Joined: Posts: 7,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If turtling is so godlike why the fuck is Rufus considered S Tier?
    Cuz the rest of the cast doesn't have Rufus' divekick?
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  • SoulzityrSoulzityr Joined: Posts: 54
    I don't think the timeout situation can be helped, short of slowing down the timer. You can completely body someone in seconds if you land a frame-trap and two big combos if they don't tag out. Red life and tagging create this huge disparity between short matches and long ones.
    Well[SIZE=12px],[/SIZE] in one of the videos posted, like I said, it shows how you can do MORE damage in LESS time. That can definitely help with the timeout situation, right?
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  • IglooBobIglooBob Bob the builder Joined: Posts: 2,930 ✭✭✭✭✭
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kH2vND2u-JY#t=658s

    I believe this is an appropriate response to this thread

    SFT isn't turtle-y unless you turtle

    that's why we invented standing jab

    all hail Poongko
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  • XDubzXXDubzX Joined: Posts: 114
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=kH2vND2u-JY#t=658s

    I believe this is an appropriate response to this thread

    SFT isn't turtle-y unless you turtle

    that's why we invented standing jab

    all hail Poongko
    lololol.

    I love this game!
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  • otoriotori Keep calm and huehuehue Joined: Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭✭
    That's how kazunoko won godsgarden.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Quantum Theorist. Liquid Dubstep Energy Joined: Posts: 33,361 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Couldn't you just make this a video thread and not a /tier/balance/something else thread? LOL.
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  • otoriotori Keep calm and huehuehue Joined: Posts: 4,139 ✭✭✭✭
    Oh boy that poongko match is too good i can't stop watching it hahaha
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  • ukyo_rulzukyo_rulz Joined: Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭
    Lol, now ALMOST time outs are seen as a problem.

    The moment you would have won on time if even if you let go of the stick and let the opponent beat you up as best as he can, it's a time-out. Doesn't matter what happens at that point. Even if you technically KO your opponent in the remaining seconds, doesn't matter because you've already won on time. It's as meaningless as tacking on superfluous DHCs in UMVC3 just to style.
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  • TZWhiteShadowTZWhiteShadow Oooooh Gurl!! Joined: Posts: 621
    Just my two cents. I feel like SFxT lends itself to a more defensive playstyle because so many characters cannot properly play defense due to lack of viable anti-airs and other such techniques. This creates that fear of putting yourself into a position where you will have to defend yourself knowing that your defensive options are limited, thus, people spend a lot of time staring at each other. On the flip side, damage comes quite easily which a simple ABC Launch chain that can start off of a simple thing as a c. Short, c. Forward, or s. Jab. Yes, they don't lead to much damage, but it adds up when it is so easily attainable. I have given up on SFxT because it is the first game in a long time that flat out frustrates me because of this poor defensive options given to most characters.
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  • EshiEshi Joined: Posts: 26
    This idea that anti-airing isn't viable in SFxT is complete bullshit. Most characters have decent ground anti-airs unless they were explicitly designed not to as a balancing factor (EX: Julia), and every character can reaction air-to-air for a potentially enormous CH combo. It's a new game, learn how to play it folks.

    On topic, Marn + Clakey D were freaking amazing in the past Wednesday Night Fights. Their team beasted on everyone, it was so cool.
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    On topic, Marn + Clakey D were freaking amazing in the past Wednesday Night Fights. Their team beasted on everyone, it was so cool.
    Wow, did Clakey D let Marn play for once? That's amazing. ^^ Have to see that myself.
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  • KnapstarKnapstar Joined: Posts: 156
    The game is what you make it out to be, it is as simple as that. Any game allows for every possible style and there is no wrong way to play it as long as you win or show improvement. People might hate a lame or defensive style but if a player can keep out the enemy on reaction easily and land proper counters as the aggressive enemy gets frustrated it still counts as a win either way. It isn't about style points at the end of the day it is about the end result being a win. If you win be proud of it and if you can make the other person quit because of your play it is even better because you hurt their pride. That hurts more than a normal lose ever will

    Why do people think a fighting game has to be play a certain way honestly when it is clear people can dominate a game playing lame or rushing down the opponent just the same. oh well?
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    The game is what you make it out to be, it is as simple as that. Any game allows for every possible style and there is no wrong way to play it as long as you win or show improvement. People might hate a lame or defensive style but if a player can keep out the enemy on reaction easily and land proper counters as the aggressive enemy gets frustrated it still counts as a win either way. It isn't about style points at the end of the day it is about the end result being a win. If you win be proud of it and if you can make the other person quit because of your play it is even better because you hurt their pride. That hurts more than a normal lose ever will

    Why do people think a fighting game has to be play a certain way honestly when it is clear people can dominate a game playing lame or rushing down the opponent just the same. oh well?
    You're right, but AGAIN this thread is not about condemning turtle-ing/playing "lame", neither has it to do about styling on your opponent or that turtle-ing is the "wrong way to play". Every playstyle, as in any other game, is legit and existing in SFxT. It's simply to show that rushdown, for instance, is just as rewarding as any other style in this game.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    Anoher good match:
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  • TannerTanner Joined: Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    Hold on, let me write this down. So you're saying this isn't a turtle game, if no one turtles? Got it, thanks for the wisdom. I'll file this under other genius ideas such as "If you don't want a hangover, don't drink" and "The best way out of a speeding ticket is to not speed".
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    It's finally happened...Eventhubs front page > SRK's front page
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭

    nice Poison/Cammy play around 24 minutes
    And, I'm diggining that Guile coloring at 28 minutes. Simple, but solid.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭

    Really entertaining Grand Finals WITH GEMS OMG!

    Julia is really fun to watch. She reminds me of Akira from VF, for mega obvious reasons.
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  • LoyalSolLoyalSol Baton Rouge, Lousiana Joined: Posts: 5,529 mod
    So, then where did the expression "playing lame" come from?
    .

    Probably from the same context of "That's so lame dude!"
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  • GraphfGraphf Amat Victoria Curam Joined: Posts: 1,206 ✭✭

    Really entertaining Grand Finals WITH GEMS OMG!

    Julia is really fun to watch. She reminds me of Akira from VF, for mega obvious reasons.
    Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for keeping the vids coming. It's clear that SRK and those who run it have something against the game. I think the game pretty much rocks, there is intense pressure and footsies are paramount, very fun game.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    Hey man, just wanted to say thanks for keeping the vids coming. It's clear that SRK and those who run it have something against the game. I think the game pretty much rocks, there is intense pressure and footsies are paramount, very fun game.


    No problem!

    BTW, Dawgtanian's weekly Cross-Up Mondays look like a good source for some nice matches:
    SF x TK - "Cross Up" - Every Monday Live from HMV GamerBase London (casuals)
    SF x TK - "Cross Up" - Every Monday Live from HMV GamerBase London (casuals)
    SF x TK - "Cross Up" - Every Monday Live from HMV GamerBase London (actual tourney)

    And, the gems don't seem to be much of a problem, as Dawgtanian himself mentons at one point during the commentary.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭

    Good matches + good commentary = entertainment?
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  • rokninroknin Keeps Trying Joined: Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Steve and Rip make a good commentary duo. Also, good stuff.

    I'm still very weary of the assist gems, if only on principle. But we'll see.
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    Just loved that Vega/Nina team (great use of Cross Assault)! Nice to watch.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    Civil War footage. Hype crowd and entertaining matches! (if you can get it to load)
    http://www.own3d.tv/teamspooky#/watch/607331 (beginning)
    http://www.own3d.tv/teamspooky#/watch/608104 (ending)

    The best part is the commentary. Cool to see how passionate Jibbo is about SFxT, and he basically breaks things down quite well, with regards to the criticisms and haters of the game.
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  • PsychobluePsychoblue the Conductor of the Hype Train Joined: Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭✭
    Civil War footage. Hype crowd and entertaining matches! (if you can get it to load)
    http://www.own3d.tv/teamspooky#/watch/607331 (beginning)
    http://www.own3d.tv/teamspooky#/watch/608104 (ending)

    The best part is the commentary. Cool to see how passionate Jibbo is about SFxT, and he basically breaks things down quite well, with regards to the criticisms and haters of the game.
    I had the privilege to be Jibbo's sparring partner that morning. He taught me some things about Sagat like EX Knee being +frames and that the second hit of most Tiger Knees had +frames. I also got some sparring in with Wolfkrone and deathnote.
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  • rokninroknin Keeps Trying Joined: Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    snip

    That was some good stuff man. Actually has me re-thinking some thing about how I play too.

    And that Asuka pressure, wow... I know I've kinda made myself focus on Juri/Julia right now because I R SCRUB, but maaaaaan I want to learn so many characters in this game to at least a somewhat decent level. Everytime I see a good Asuka or a sick Jin, I cry a little inside.
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  • JiBboJiBbo AutoMattock Joined: Posts: 1,386 mod
    I had the privilege to be Jibbo's sparring partner that morning. He taught me some things about Sagat like EX Knee being +frames and that the second hit of most Tiger Knees had +frames. I also got some sparring in with Wolfkrone and deathnote.

    Short and Forward Tiger Knee have + frames if you space them properly and hit the opponent crouching. Roundhouse tiger knee doesn't hit crouching opponents.

    Good games man, thanks for the support.

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  • rokninroknin Keeps Trying Joined: Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To anybody who gives a shit: I'll be starting my podcast back up this week with a lot of focus on SFxT, as I'll be playing that game pretty much exclusively from now on. Check out my youtube channel youtube.com/jibbo for more details.

    <--- gives a shit

    <--- subscribes

    In all seriousness, looking forward to it good sir.
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    Not gonna lie, Civil War was one of the most hype tournaments I've seen 'till now. The stream was awesome and I enjoyed it all the way through. Nice matches, commentary and atmosphere!
    SFxT: Law - Cody (Jack, Hugo) / USF4: Hugo - Cody / SFIII3S: Urien - Alex - Hugo
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  • PsychobluePsychoblue the Conductor of the Hype Train Joined: Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭✭
    Not gonna lie, Civil War was one of the most hype tournaments I've seen 'till now. The stream was awesome and I enjoyed it all the way through. Nice matches, commentary and atmosphere!
    Because I was there conducting the hype train! :D
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    Because I was there conducting the hype train! :D
    Dude, if I lived in the US (I'm Belgian) and could make it to the tournament, I would certainly followed you around and be part of da hype! lol
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    Entertaining broadcast, lol commentary, good matches. Finals were hype. Even the stream monsters blew up at the conclusion of that last match:
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    The hype potential of this game...starting to bubble to the surface...
    http://www.twitch.tv/shadowloohq/b/317307349

    Be sure to watch Gamerbee vs Poongko as well as JWong vs Gamerbee.
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  • rokninroknin Keeps Trying Joined: Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Be sure to watch Gamerbee vs Poongko as well as JWong vs Gamerbee.

    Those were some really good matches, love watching Gamerbee's Julia go to work. My only problem is that there was little character variety, but I feel like that's going to slowly change.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    Those were some really good matches, love watching Gamerbee's Julia go to work. My only problem is that there was little character variety, but I feel like that's going to slowly change.

    Yeah, Julia and Steve are among my favorite characters to watch. Their movement is just cool.

    The shoto popularity is a bit annoying, but I hope people start exploring the rest of the roster soon. There are a lot of unexplored characters in the game, but the familiarity and straight up solid moves of Ryu and Ken are luring people to them...as usual. We'll see how time and future patches shake things up...
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  • rokninroknin Keeps Trying Joined: Posts: 4,610 ✭✭✭✭✭
    snip

    Agreed, Steve is another fun one to watch. And that's exactly it, the game just hasn't even been "unboxed" yet as far as I'm concerned. I mean granted, my main team is Juri/Julia so I'm not exactly original either lol, but there seems to be so much potential in the roster for some really crazy tech to emerge.

    Just.. gotta get... through the shoto phase of this game's life...
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  • Cody&Guy18Cody&Guy18 Joined: Posts: 1,081 ✭✭✭✭
    Spooky uploaded the CW footage on Youtube:
    Spoiler:
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
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  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭✭
    EternalRivals vs EG was hype as fuck.
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  • The Lone DragonThe Lone Dragon perverted feminist Joined: Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭
    EternalRivals vs EG was hype as fuck.

    link?
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  • EmblemLordEmblemLord Lord of all Lords Joined: Posts: 5,316 ✭✭✭✭
    You posted it yourself sir. The matches Steve and Rip commented on.
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