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  • odinodin crystal clear Joined: Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
  • OmNiExiZtOmNiExiZt Fuckin Up Yo IgZiStEnce Joined: Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I want a star wars collabo written by frank miller and josh whedon and directed by Michael Bay and Genndy Tartakovsky. The only thing I'd need Lucas for is to release the rights to his... universe?
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  • MCPMCP Joined: Posts: 2,200 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Fuck Michael Bay. He would instantly forget all plots and go for 100% flash.
    Genndy Tartakovsky did some good work in the Clone Wars mini series.

    I love KotoR and the N64 game Shadows of the Empire. I think Shadows of the Empire was the first Star Wars game to not include a main character from the movies as its main character.
    I think I might watch Return either tonight or tomorrow, how is it?
    It's worth watching because Luke must confront Vader and his Emperor. Also who wouldn't want to watch more Han Solo?

    Besides, "It's a trap!" It's a fucking squid. One of the weirdest races in the entire Star Wars universe. Calamari... I wonder if they taste good fried.


    ps I can do the Wookie growl.
  • SquirtgunsSquirtguns Dumb for Crumbs Joined: Posts: 422
    Ok gentlemen... SW VIDEO GAME TIER LIST??


    SS: Rogue squadron(s)
    S: Shadows of the Empire, KOTOR
    A: Battlefront, Super Star Wars
    B: Jedi Power Battles, TIE fighter, Empire at War, Pod racers

    Shit tier: Lego starwars, fuckin Yoda Stories.
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    This puts me in the position of having to remember which of these damn games I've played.

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    Star Wars Trilogy (arcade)
    Star Wars: Racer Arcade (duh)
    Star Wars: Racer (N64)

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    Return of the Jedi (GB)
    Super Star Wars (Super NES)
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  • odinodin crystal clear Joined: Posts: 15,586 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    No Force Unleashed? I loved that game.
    Also SWG (before the SOE mutilation), Super Empire Strikes Back/Return of the Jedi (can't hate on Chewie's spinning clothesline) and Lego Star Wars.
  • OmNiExiZtOmNiExiZt Fuckin Up Yo IgZiStEnce Joined: Posts: 1,151 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    Fuck Michael Bay. He would instantly forget all plots and go for 100% flash.
    Genndy Tartakovsky did some good work in the Clone Wars mini series.

    I thought writers handled to plot. I thought it was the directors job to keep the actors from making asses of themselves.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Pfft. You think the writers handle a damn thing in a Michael Bay movie?

    Here's what happens.

    The producers come up with a list of stuff that's supposed to be in the movie. A sample list might include boobies, explosions, a car chase, a talking dog, a giant spider, and at least five things that can be turned into action figures/other toys. The producers send this list to the writer (more likely, several writers) and demand that they string these things together into a story. The writers do this, according to an extraordinarily rigid three act skeleton structure that demands an action scene or twist every 10 minutes, a major turning point at each half hour mark, and a huge shit-hitting-the-fan final battle during the last half hour. This structure is essentially the container into which the things on the producers' list will be poured. It is the writers' job to make sure this happens simply and clearly enough so that the idiot executive producers, who are not creative and might not even like movies, can follow it easily while they're doing blow and possibly getting a blumpkin.

    After the script is done, they send it back to the producers to some poor underpaid/unpaid intern whose job it is to read the script and verbally summarize it to the producers. The producers will make a list of changes, which they either thought of during the verbal summary or in the interim before that, probably while watching other movies and seeing all the great ideas that went into them. (A retarded younger brother... why didn't I think of that? That's perfect for Die Hard 6!) Possibly, they will send these notes back to the original writers, but, more likely, the script and the notes will be sent to another team of writers entirely. Perhaps the process will repeat and yet another team of writers will receive script+notes after that, and so on and so forth.

    At some point, this... thing will arrive in the hands of Michael Bay, who may very well have his own opinions about it and make his own alterations, within the permission of the producers. Further changes may be made during production. The last opportunity for changes--and it is a big one--is in the editing room, where everything from individual shots to entire scenes can be shuffled, included, excluded, rejiggered in CGI, or even reshot altogether.

    It is possible that the original writers still have delusions of working an element of artistry into these otherwise mass-produced genre entertainments. Assuming that hasn't been stomped out of them yet, any strain of individualism that they might have worked into the original script will have been filtered out many times over by the time the movie actually hits the screen.

    If you want to know what writers handle in a Michael Bay movie, it's brown and lumpy.
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    RIP Star Wars.
  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 1,005
    I find the lack of Dark Forces/Jedi Knight in your game lists... disturbing.

    Also I'm pretty sure Kyle Katarn came before Dash Rendar, in main characters that did not appear in the movies. If you haven't played any of the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games, during their time, you missed out on ALOT. ALOT! It's those games that really opened my eyes on the expanded universe and stuff. They really gotta make a new DF/JK game.

    As for Star Wars in general... What can I say? Long post incoming...

    I loved the old Triology, 6 being my favorite. For one particular scene. The part during the space battle, where there's rows of Tie Fighters attacking the ships. Interceptors, Defenders, and all that good stuff. That shit, when I first saw the movie, seriously blew my fucking mind. Rows after rows of ships, starships, lasers everywhere and crap, holy shit that was amazing. I can see how the Ewoks are retarded, don't get me wrong, but it was worth it for the space battle, something I have never seen before that moment.

    Now, the new triology, ughhh. I remember seeing the previews for it. I remember watching Entertainment Tonight for the FIRST SNEAK PEAK at the trailer and shit.... and man... again, it BLEW MY FUCKING MIND, I was so hyped for Episode 1, it's not even funny. FINALLY, we'll be able to see Darth Vader and the Emperor killing shit left and right, spaceships, battles, stormtroopers, maybe how they built the empire, maybe some Luke adventures!!! My mind was racing.

    Then we got an annoying little kid....................................................................................... *cough*

    ... Yeah.... ok?

    I will never forget coming out of the theater at like 4AM, the midnight was full, so went at 2AM.... and just walked away speechless. I didn't know what to think about the movie, I was seriously speechless, did I enjoy it? No. Was it bad? I don't think so... I don't know. I saw it later and yeah it was definatly fucking bad. And here's why. And this is true for all the new triology. For every amazing scene such as the duel between Qui Gon, Obi Wan and Maul, with the music, and the scenery and the coreographed moves (I enjoyed those) and all that shit, we got a fucking Jar Jar. For every scene where Qui Gon and Obi Wan are fighting droids, we got a fucking annoying whiny kid. For every Pod Race with an annoying fucking kid, we got a retarded kid blowing up a fucking mothership... I mean you know the kid ain't gonna fucking die, he's a kid, so of course he will fly trough a fucking mothership, crash, restart his systems, and blow up the core on his way out... of course.

    I know where George fucked up, he tried to please EVERYBODY! And that shit don't work, it might work for an experienced director such as Cameron, Scott, etc who can please all ages, but for George who comes back after 20 years of not shooting a movie and tries to mix, Jar Jar stepping in shit and lolololol it's sooooooo funny to Galactic Senate Discussions????? Like, really?? REALLY GEORGE?? Who the fuck was this movie designed for? Kids? I don't think they are enjoying the Galactic Discussions, the Trade Federation, the Power Sturggle within the Senate... Adults? I don't think they're enjoying, Jar Jar or little fucktard kids, but nope, George went with it anyways, and nobody enjoyed the movie. Maybe little kids did, I dunno.

    Anyways, to keep it short, Ep2, the "love story" BS was so fucking long and boring and unbelievable and shit and fuck and fuck you George. The clones were cool, the battles were cool. Obi Wan vs Jango Fett was awesome. Those space bombs Jango's ship released with the delay sound effect was AMAZING! But again, for every Obi vs Jango we got Padme eating the fucking fakiest CGI apple I have ever seen, Anakin rolling in the grass.... Anakin riding some dumbass bad CGI animal, some really REALLY dumb ass "love" dialogue. Sigh...

    Finally Ep3, I know people are saying this movie was "ok" the same way people say Transformers 1 was "ok", but no, fuck you, both of those movies were pretty bad. Again, you can see the pattern coming here... General Grievious, AMAZING, OMG I CANT WAIT WHEN HES GONNA FIGHT OBI WAN WITH 4 FUCKING LIGHTSABERS!!!!!! Obi Wan pulls gun, one shots him. ...................................... WHAT THE FUCK?????? The battles we're great... but then Padme dies of ...... sadness?????? I DONT FUCKING KNOW!!! Anakin joining the Dark Side in the dumbest way possible. The Jedi Council not seeing any of this coming???? I don't know, I went in this movie not expecting anything.... I had no expectations, and as soon as the movie began I couldn't fucking suspend my mind and just enjoy the movie. Everything looked so fake. For every action that was happening I had 10 diffrent questions of "Why? How? How is that even possible??" Anakin brushing off the spider droids off Obi's ship... why are they shooting spider droids in space? Why are Anakin and Obi always arguing, why didn't Anakin turn evil when he decapitaded Dooku, how did they manage to land the big ass star destroyer, non stop questions, I couldnt fucking stop asking basic questions which provided no answers. People say this movie was ok? I say it was the most unblievable of them all.

    Anyways, I would LOVE to have Ep 7,8,9 and so on so forth, and I do actually want George involved, but only as an advisor. Let him lead the story, but provide COMPETENT people for directing, script and for the love of God, don't shoot the whole fucking movie on CG backgrounds. I'm really happy George created this universe, my favorite movie universe, but he should have chosen a diffrent path for the prequels.

    Anyways, that pretty much sums it up, I guess.
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  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    Now that you mention it, I did play the original Dark Forces. I suppose it wasn't too bad.

    If the prequels have the awesome scenes you're describing, even if it's only to be undercut by an awful scene soon after, the end balance should be mediocrity, rather than outright badness. I think that's part of the trouble of comparing an experience you have as an adult to an experience you have as a kid: kids are much more forgiving of flaws if it means getting to the good stuff.
  • scum gale 88scum gale 88 yo! It's SYBOK! Joined: Posts: 1,739
    Looking back, I actually liked the Obi-Wan "segments" of Episode II. I mean, we get to see Obi-Wan play smooth operator space detective, fight Jango, uncover a big conspiracy, etc. etc. Kinda wish that the mystery angle was played up more. I call them segments because the first 2/3 of the movie are literally divided between Anakin and Obi-Wan, scene for scene. Yuck.
    *edit* Episode II is enjoyable if you skip the Anakin segments and just watch the Obi-Wan stuff up to the coliseum fight onwards.
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  • RX-78-3RX-78-3 Newport News Arcade OG Joined: Posts: 557
    Looking back, I actually liked the Obi-Wan "segments" of Episode II. I mean, we get to see Obi-Wan play smooth operator space detective, fight Jango, uncover a big conspiracy, etc. etc. Kinda wish that the mystery angle was played up more. I call them segments because the first 2/3 of the movie are literally divided between Anakin and Obi-Wan, scene for scene. Yuck.
    *edit* Episode II is enjoyable if you skip the Anakin segments and just watch the Obi-Wan stuff up to the coliseum fight onwards.

    IMO The obi-wan sequences were some of the best prequel moments from the first two movies. Everyone hates on the Anakin/Padme scenes (as they probably should) but the clone factory sequences with Kenobi and the lead up to the end battle was kinda solid otherwise. (mystery sequence with investigation, until the big bad/real threat gets outed)

    I just wish we had gotten more bro Anakin/Obi moments in the movies. The mustafar duel would have been so much more powerful and all the more tragic for the general audience if they had really realized that it was father/son and brother/brother. However, the EU is taking care of this point with the books and the new CGI clone wars show
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  • FlameAngelZFlameAngelZ I'm gonna fuck you up! Joined: Posts: 1,005
    Now that you mention it, I did play the original Dark Forces. I suppose it wasn't too bad.

    If the prequels have the awesome scenes you're describing, even if it's only to be undercut by an awful scene soon after, the end balance should be mediocrity, rather than outright badness. I think that's part of the trouble of comparing an experience you have as an adult to an experience you have as a kid: kids are much more forgiving of flaws if it means getting to the good stuff.

    Dark Forces was ok.. its starting with Dark Forces 2 that things REALLLLY started to pick up!

    Also, I didn't mention it in my previous post but what I meant is that for 1 every good scene, there were 5 bad ones. The radio was 1:5, not 1:1, LoL. And ofcourse the good scenes were amazing, it's fucking Star Wars! And that's the thing. I saw those movies as a teenager and I tought they were bad, I'm afraid to watch them now, from what I heard, they really don't hold up, unlike the old Triology which are timeless, imo.
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  • Axl_m4sterAxl_m4ster This is how I look like, don't make fun Joined: Posts: 2,423
    in this vid harrison ford talks about how there's going to be 9 star wars films. 3 prequels, trilogy, then epilogue trilogy.
    [media=vimeo]27626805
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  • VynceVynce Hater. Joined: Posts: 14,658
    Looking back, I actually liked the Obi-Wan "segments" of Episode II. I mean, we get to see Obi-Wan play smooth operator space detective, fight Jango, uncover a big conspiracy, etc. etc. Kinda wish that the mystery angle was played up more. I call them segments because the first 2/3 of the movie are literally divided between Anakin and Obi-Wan, scene for scene. Yuck.
    *edit* Episode II is enjoyable if you skip the Anakin segments and just watch the Obi-Wan stuff up to the coliseum fight onwards.

    Episode 2 was my favorite in the new trilogy. You just detailed why. I loved EM's Obi and he had a lot of great moments in the movie.
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  • Optimus124Optimus124 Joined: Posts: 3,731
    I don't know why people like Jedi the least out of the original 3.
    It was my favourite.


    Overall, I liked the endpoint of the characters story arcs. This is why I hold it in the highest spot for me. I think for watching, Empire is still the best.


    RIP Star Wars.

    If it would have ended with Anakin waking up from a bad dream, it would have worked so much better
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    RIP Star Wars.
    My soul just died watching that.
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    OBI WAN'S TURNED TO THE DARK SIDE
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    It looks like we might get our episodes after episode 6 after all...
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    In case nobody knew...
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    Anyone think Darth Krayt, Saber Khai, or Abeloth will be in the sequel trilogies?
  • ZephyranthesZephyranthes Mad Mod Poet God Joined: Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    I didn't even send you that Spawn comic, I'm pretty sure it was Zephy or something, albeit possibly under my direction. Why would you even complain about that in the first place, there's kids in Ethiopia starving for early 90's comics with anatomical liberties and excessive cross hatching, you should stop taking that treasure for granted.
    It was either Zephy or RockB. I've gotten comics from both of them, and one of them passed onto me your unholy STD of an excuse for a comic.

    I know this is an old post but I think it is time I take the credit for sending you that Spawn comic. I am laughing so hard right now. Great memories of a simpler time in life when not every current comic out there sucked as much as Spawn.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    Who thinks that the Lost Tribe of the Sith (Gavar Khai and crew) should be in episodes 7 through 9?
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    the most memorable SW scene:
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  • TaitoTaito Great Thing Joined: Posts: 7,097
    Worst thing about the Disney acquisition: no more 20th Century Fox intro. I grew up thinking every movie on TV with the Fox theme = Star Wars
  • goodm0urninggoodm0urning AWKWARD... BITCH Joined: Posts: 14,235
    edited July 2013
    Taito wrote: »
    Worst thing about the Disney acquisition: no more 20th Century Fox intro. I grew up thinking every movie on TV with the Fox theme = Star Wars
    The Fox fanfare and Star Wars fanfare are inseparable to me, too.

    And to John Williams as well. There's a reason he put the Star Wars fanfare in the same key, and there's a reason why the Star Wars OST albums include the Fox fanfare at the beginning. Musically, they're intended to go together.

    Maybe Disney will license the Fox fanfare... ah, wishful thinking.

    Note: if Williams doesn't score the movies, I'm not even going to bother with them.
    I know this is an old post but I think it is time I take the credit for sending you that Spawn comic. I am laughing so hard right now. Great memories of a simpler time in life when not every current comic out there sucked as much as Spawn.
    Life is still pretty simple in my echo chamber where the New 52 didn't make it past the first issue and Alan Moore's Marvelman* is still due for a deluxe release any day now.

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  • InfernomanInfernoman Bro as Hell Joined: Posts: 9,553
    edited July 2013
    Forgot how integrated the 20th century fox theme is with the lucasfilm logo. Well those days are over.



    yeah...I have a hard time imagining that...but here's an idea of how it would be done



    And after looking at that they don't even say now "Walt Disney Pictures" Just "Disney" now...damn no lover for the man who even started it all.
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    Einlanzer wrote: »
    this isnt the thread i was looking for.


    We're you looking for this?
  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG

    The badly burned Anakin, consumed physically by fire just as he was consumed mentally by the dark side, goes into the suit. At the same time, his anguished and dying wife...

    This is the kind of shit that people conveniently forget to talk about in their rush to enumerate the crimes that George Lucas has personally perpetrated upon them in his consummate gall to make his own movies.

    Wait, you mean the scene where she is dying from.... a broken heart?? And we are talking about the couple who fell in "love" when Anakin was like 6 and has no clue what love is? All the pretty sweeping music in the world won't give drama and emotion to a movie whose plot and characters are so poorly written.

    There is a reason people prefer to pretend these movies were never made. I like to remember Vader as the galactic bad ass who would mind choke a nigga for mouthing off, not the emo psycho who murders children.
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    Star Wars ended after ROTJ to me (which in retrospect was a precursor of things to come).

    I semi-don't consider the prequels as canon and I have very little faith in the new Disney films. (though I do like the idea of Mark Hamill coming back).

    Best to worst IMO

    Ep 5
    Ep 4
    Ep 6
    Ep 3
    Ep 1
    Ep 2
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  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    edited September 2013
    If anyone has read the Fate of the Jedi series and Disney decides to incorporate elements from that series into VII, VIII, and IX then that would be good.
    Jacen Solo's final warning to Tenel Ka Djo allowed her to save herself and Allana. Allana's survival was kept secret, and she was publicly listed as dead in the nanokiller attack. For the princess's safety, she was given to Han and Leia Solo to raise as their adopted war orphan daughter, Amelia Solo. Though his faction lost the Second Galactic Civil War and Ben Skywalker redeemed Tahiri Veila, Darth Caedus's Sith techniques did bring a sort of peace to the galaxy—by uniting all the warring factions against him. Peace was soon settled between all sides, with Caedus succeeded by Natasi Daala as chief of state.[4] Though a fringe of Caedus supporters continued to exist after the war, he was generally condemned as a monster who had committed grave atrocities.[94] During his entire reign, the order of One Sith had been in hiding on Korriban. Their Dark Lord, Darth Krayt —the man Solo saw in his vision[95]— later described Caedus's role as a "lightning rod" attracting Jedi attention to himself and away from the One Sith, thereby assisting their future rise.[96]

    Though they had taken a harsh attitude against Caedus in his last days, over time his family came to soften, remembering Jacen Solo as a hero and wondering what had gone so terribly wrong that he became Darth Caedus. They felt as if they had failed him by not finding a way to redeem him, but they did not live in grief. Instead they took joy in raising Allana, in whom they saw much of young Jacen Solo, including his affinity for animals and, she discovered, his connection with the Yuuzhan Vong. Allana remained frightened of the dark side she had sensed in her father, but the Solos emphasized his love for her, explaining that in the end he had not been himself, under the influence of the dark side. Han Solo retained a private hope that his son was working toward redemption in an afterlife, and even called on his spirit for aid.[97]

    Pursuing a political agenda to control the Jedi, Chief of State Daala pressed criminal charges against Luke Skywalker for negligence in not having prevented Caedus's fall to the dark side. Skywalker, seeking to establish that the Jedi were not above the law, agreed to a plea deal in which he accepted a sentence of exile, with the ability to have it removed if he could discover and explain the cause of Jacen Solo's transformation into Darth Caedus. His son, Ben Skywalker traveled with him.[15] The task became all the more urgent when various other Jedi began falling prey to a strange madness in which they expressed a belief those around them were actually impostors, and manifested various Force powers known only to Jacen Solo after his journey of learning.[14][15]

    During that odyssey, the Skywalkers found the Mind Walkers and entered "beyond shadows" themselves. There they found the Lake of Apparitions, in which apparitions of the dead appeared, and in it the spirit of Darth Caedus. Luke Skywalker summoned him by speaking the name "Jacen," and his aspect changed to that of his younger, uncorrupted self. Speaking with them, Jacen did not ask for forgiveness, but did say that he had not carried his dark side anger with him in death, an experience that he described as "damnation." He asked Ben Skywalker to tell his sister he forgave her for his death, and Luke Skywalker, having seen the Throne of Balance and heard of Jacen Solo's vision, asked him who he had seen there. Skywalker informed the apparition that he had seen a happy Allana, surrounded by peace—the same vision Jacen had received near the end of his life. The spirit said whom he had seen no longer mattered, but it was not Luke Skywalker—a statement that did not entirely convince Skywalker. Ben admitted that he forgave his cousin, which greatly relieved Jacen. He slyly told the Skywalkers he did not know exactly who Abeloth, appearing at the far end of the lake, was, but they could keep walking into the Mists of Forgetfulness and find out—which immediately persuaded them to turn around and avoid the dangerous area where previous warnings had not.[80]

    He later reappeared when Luke returned to the beyond shadows to fight off Abeloth, having some scorn for Luke regarding his belief that Abeloth possessed him. However, he then felt some guilt when Luke revealed that Jacen was partially responsible for the release of Abeloth by gazing into the pool of knowledge, although he, like Mara Jade, was unable to supply him with an answer as to how to destroy Abeloth. When Darth Krayt appeared and offered to aid Luke in destroying Abeloth, Jacen attempted to warn Luke that Krayt was the man he saw in one of the visions of the Lake of Apparitions, the one he saw that led him to turn to the dark side. After Abeloth was defeated, Jacen revealed that although Luke and Krayt's destruction of Abeloth prevented the dark future he saw from happening, it did not prevent the rise of the Sith, and explained that the vision he saw that led to his joining the Sith was a future where Krayt not only was on the throne of balance instead of his daughter Allana, but Allana was likewise at Krayt's side.[95]

    Also, i wonder if Darth Krayt's One Sith knew about the Lost Tribe of the Sith...
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  • WolfkillerWolfkiller Equal Opportunity Destroyer Joined: Posts: 1,160 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    The original FPS Dark Forces game was the bomb, by the way.
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    Wolfkiller wrote: »
    Wait, you mean the scene where she is dying from.... a broken heart?? And we are talking about the couple who fell in "love" when Anakin was like 6 and has no clue what love is? All the pretty sweeping music in the world won't give drama and emotion to a movie whose plot and characters are so poorly written.
    I agree with you on that, but I wasn't talking about the writing. I was talking about how the scenes are constructed at the shooting and writing level. Those elements are actually pretty strong.

    Heaven forbid that someone suggests that Lucas has some strengths to go along with his long-enumerated weaknesses.

    Anyway, I don't have great faith in the new movies, mainly because of Disney's bukkake strategy. Whether at its best or at its worst, Star Wars was never something that felt like it just rolled off an assembly line somewhere.

    At least they got John Williams back. Without him, it's Star Wars in name only.
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
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    This is the latest official/canon chapter in the world of Star Wars!
  • Jion_WansuJion_Wansu Joined: Posts: 6,148
    edited September 2013
    Jion_Wansu wrote: »
    crucible_2nd_cover.jpg

    This is the latest official/canon chapter in the world of Star Wars!

    Damn that sucks. All good things must come to an end I guess. This is the official "passing of the torch" from Han, Leia, and Luke...
  • Ki ShimaKi Shima This tiger isn't dead.... Joined: Posts: 8,357
    the thing I hate most about star wars is when luke skywalker has that VR thing on his face, who in their right mind would want to have a thing like that on their face :confused:
    "The telephone is virtual reality in that you can meet with someone as if you are together, at least in the auditory sense."

    Ray Kurzweil
  • AlphaZeroAlphaZero Zzzz Joined: Posts: 994
    Padme and Anakin's relationship should have been played out like Han and Leia's....that's where they really screwed up with them. You had Padme the statue and Anakin the whining, doting pussy.

    Did watch a fan edit a few years back where a guy overdubbed Jar Jar's voice and turned him a smartass Han Solo like character. Was so much better.
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