NEW Updated Rules for Trading Outlet **PLEASE READ BEFORE YOU POST!!**

MegamanDSMegamanDS MvC3 and Trading Outlet ModeratorJoined: Posts: 4,410 mod
edited March 26 in Trading Outlet
ok, there are 3 reasons you should be in this forum. You either are buying, trading, or selling.

First, To use the trading outlet (sell or trade) you have to be with the site for at least 6 months, and have 50 posts. Failure to meet the requirement will result in a infraction or ban. Buyers may be new users but they are required to send payment FIRST.

Second, post in the thread title either "WTS:..." (want to sell), "WTT:..." (want to trade), or "WTB:..." (want to buy). This should be in EVERY SINGLE THREAD TITLE or your thread will be closed/deleted.

SELLING:
When you are SELLING something, post prices INCLUDING SHIPPING COST TO U.S.. If someone wants to buy outside the US, then you can respond to them. We're not allowed to start controlling everything but the gift option will only be used if both parties agree (both seller and buyer). If the buyer prefers to have the buyer protection that comes with the regular option, the seller will have to accept that. It's always been the duty of the seller to handle fees and I don't plan on having buyers sacrifice their protection to avoid a dollar or two.

Do not ask or require payment via Paypal using the gift option. Do not set a secondary price for a buyer to pay so it will include the money Paypal takes. We do not recommend using Paypal gift to pay & sellers can not demand it or refuse payment over it.

Do not post "I want to see how much its worth" or "you make me an offer". If you don't know, put a ball park range and also say "Not sure how much its worth so if its too high, post your offers".

All sellers cannot back outta of deal just for a local party transaction. What I mean is this: If you sell something here and somebody is interested, but somebody that lives close by you is also interested say a day after, you must finish your business with the SRKer first. The SRKer has first priority.

If you sell to a local party and leave the SRK member hanging (after agreeing to terms), you're catching an infraction. Sorry, I understand that local always beats out online business, but enough is enough!

In other words: First come=first served. Please show some respect/class to your fellow SRKers!!

TRADING:
For trading threads, make sure to post WHAT YOU WANT and WHAT YOU ARE TRADING.

Any time you are posting, please describe the item in full detail. I know this should be common sense but please write as much as possible. If the disc is scratched, write that. If the case is cracked, write that. If its missing the charger, write that. Write that. WRITE THAT!

BUYING:
The rule of thumb is buyer pays first, then once the seller receives the payment, they ship the item. This is typically the case of every transaction. If the buyer and seller agree to do it the other way around, that is fine. But if there is any dispute of who sends what first, buyer must pay first. If you don't like it, then void the transaction.

If you are using PayPal to pay, do not use the gift option. The reason being, if something goes wrong, you can not get your money back from paypal even if you dispute it. Gift is just that, a GIFT. Don't expect paypal to help you. Yes, sending money as a gift does not charge any fees, but cover your ass and have the seller lose a couple cents. Gift items also can not be insured. So if you are buying a stick and it breaks in the shipping process, you are out of luck.

After your transaction:
Please edit your thread title and/or post to just "Sold" so I can delete it. I don't want to see people getting sad when they see a dream sale and then they bump it wanting to buy it but its already sold. If I see a thread get bumped and the OG says "Sorry, sold". You get 1 warning, if I see it a 2nd time....

Also, XenTrader is now installed. Leave your feedback for the buyer or seller. You can check out other peoples' feedback here

eBay:
If you are selling on eBay, it is acceptable here. The only thing you must do it write IN THE THREAD TITLE "ON EBAY". Some people don't have eBay accounts or don't like dealing with them so please make sure you write that in your title.

PACKAGING:
if you are trading/selling electronics (which is highly likely here) package these things so that it has enough bubble wrap/peanuts/newspaper. I dont care what you use just pack it good so if it's dropped it does no harm. I received a gamecube yesterday that was just in a box with no packaging at all. it was just thrown in in a box and came to my house damaged.

let's say for example Jack bought a gamecube from Bob. Jack gets the gamecube but the gamecube does not work upon arrival because of poor packaging/ lack of packaging. If Jack can post pics of how the package is and it does show that it is poorly packaged, I will make BOB give Jack a full refund!



NOT ALLOWED IN THE TRADING FORUM:
- Any porn material or paraphernalia. This includes playboy magazines, anime porn or whatever sick things you guys have.
- Anything involving copyrighted material. This includes stick art, stickers, vinyl decals, etc
- Modded Consoles. This includes modchips, swap discs and all other modded stuff.
- Burned games. This is a tuffy. Right now, the rule is you cannot sell burned games. If you are selling your dreamcast with backed up games as a bundle, you may mention that. Mr. Wizard may change this rule though if he doesn't find it acceptable.

- WoW accounts or the like are not allowed

There seems to be some confusion with this rule. According to the admins, they do not want to see accounts like WoW sold on here. If you are caught selling one of any kind, then you will be infractioned. Not worth the risk, so don't try it.


DO NOT!! :
DO NOT make duplicate threads of the same things

- Don't have one sell thread for some item then make another for the same item.

- DO NOT Spam to get the 50 posts. We'll infract for spamming.

DO NOT bump your own thread for no reason unless you are price dropping at least 5%.

- Usually this happens a lot, without a price drop. It usually gets ignored, but when it becomes obvious that no one here is interested in your item then it's time to move on.


DO NOT put sold in the thread if you are not the seller.

- This shouldn't be a rule, it's very obvious. Of course if you are a moderator in here...

DO NOT make a Want to Buy thread without checking at least the first couple pages in the Trading Outlet first. Chances are someone is probably already selling what you want to buy.


DO NOT crap other peoples threads just because you don't like the item or the price!!

- One of the biggest rules in here. Don't crap threads because you hate the item, don't agree or like the price, or just don't want the seller to find success in selling it. We will let slide some post that sound reasonable enough, but if it's pretty blatant that you are crapping just to be crapping, then it'll get deleted or something.

These are things that will get your thread closed/deleted and get you infractions towards your bannage.



VERY USEFUL TIPS:
1. always send merchandise with a confirmation number (.60 cents).

2. If you don't have packing supplies, use newspaper for shipping supplies instead of peanuts and bubble sheets.

3. Try to avoid sending cash and using western union.

4. Keep track of what you bought. Save the PMs from people you buy and sell until the transaction is complete.

5. Read people's feedback threads. It's very important to know the sellers history on selling items if you can, it could prevent a scam waiting to happen.



Any questions, suggestions, comments, post here.




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1. I think I have been ripped off. What should I do?
Go to any of the mail fraud sites listed below to file a complaint. I suggest filing for as many as you can.
2. When should I file for mail fraud?
If you have sent out numerous e-mails regarding your payment being received and/or item being sent and never received the item/e-mail within a 15-20 days from the date you shipped the item/payment, send out ONE LAST e-mail informing them that you will take action if they do not respond to your e-mails. If after 2-3 days of no response, start to file for mail fraud. The faster you file the mail fraud, the faster you will get what is owed to you.
3. The other party responds to my e-mails, but keeps giving me excuses and/or the run around. What should I do?
It's more than likely they just trying to buy more time. If they reply to your e-mails but keeps telling you that it will be shipped soon, over and over, notify them that you will be filing for mail fraud. File for mail fraud as soon as possible. Especially with PayPal and their 30-day policy (see FAQ #6). If you keep on letting them buy more time, they'll just keep giving you that same answer over and over until either the PayPal 30-day complaint is over, or if you forget about it and give up trying to get the item.
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Most of the time it's a win-win situation if you have most, if not all of the following..
You will need the following contact information of the other party:

Name
Address
Phone Number (if available)
You will need any of the following proof and/or evidence: (the more the better)

Email and/or Instant Message conversations
Proof of shipment of item
Proof of payment (Credit Card Bill, Check Statements, PayPal, Receipts, etc.)
5. I paid for something online with a credit card, money order, check or cash and I never received the item. What should I do?
If you paid with credit card, notify the credit card company, and inform them of the situation. Tell them you want to dispute the charge, and they will investigate.
If you paid with a money order, you can go back to the place you bought the money order from or call the number that is on the receipt stub from the money order and have them do a 'stop payment'. What 'stop payment' does is, it prevents the person from cashing it in. But if the money order has been cashed already, there is nothing that can be done, unless you file for mail fraud. Also, the receipt stub that was on the money order can also be used as proof of payment, as well as proof of them cashing it when they track the money order.
If you paid with a check, its similiar to a money order. You can do a 'stop payment'. If the check has been cashed, there is nothing that can be done, unless you file for mail fraud. If the check has been cashed, you can ask your bank for a bank statement concerning the check. This will be used as proof that the person cashed your check.
If you paid in cash, this will be harder as there is no proof/receipt that you sent it. So, send at your own risk.
6. I ordered something online using PayPal. What should I do?
PayPal's policy is that, you have 30-days to file a complaint. If after 30-days, you are out of luck. If you have not received a response and/or item within 20-days, file a complaint with PayPal. If by any chance, you do receive the item, you can cancel the complaint with PayPal. If the other party is at fault, PayPal will recover whatever money is owed to you, IF the money is in the other party's account. If there is no money in the account, there is nothing that can be done unless you used your credit card on PayPal to pay for the item (see FAQ #5).
7. Does there have to be a certain value before I can file for mail fraud?
No. It's not the cost and/or value of the item, inorder for you to file for mail fraud. It's the principle. You can file for mail fraud whether your lost or the item costs, $5.00, $100.00, or even $1,000.00. Mail fraud is a crime and a federal offense. Legal action can be taken against the the other party if they are found guilty if they do not return what is owed to the respectful ower.
8. When is it a good time to send out an item once I have received payment from buyer via PayPal?
There have been instances where a seller has sold an item (most of the time expensive items) to a buyer, whether it be a hard to find game, cellphone, systems, electronics, etc., and a couple days later, the payment was reversed. Most of the time, the payment is reversed due to stolen credit cards, stolen bank account information or just plain scam.

Most sellers ship the item the next day after receiving the payment. Its good to be quick on shipping, but its also bad. If the payment was a scam/reversed, it takes PayPal 1-day to find out, email you and reverse the payment (2 days max..but rarely). Once payment is reversed, PayPal will do an investigation to see if it indeed was a fraudulent payment. If you're lucky to read the email before it is sent out, than you've saved yourself from losing an item. If not, and the package is already on the way to the scammer, go back to the place where you shipped the package and request it back do to an investigation and fraudulent payment.
Best suggestion is to:

Ship item 2-3 business days after you have received the payment. This will give you enough time to see if there is problems with the payment.
Overseas countries are places to watch out for. Those are where most scammers are located and are hard to get back your item once its shipped. Some countries are:
Singapore
Lithuania
Malaysia
Send package with Delivery Confirmation. This will show the tracking of the package, proof of shipment and proof of arrival to buyer. This is a major factor when it comes to providing proof of shipment.
9. I have a question but its not mentioned above. Can you help me?
Sure. Just post your question and I will gladly try to help you answer any of your questions you might have.
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