Hardest Characters To Use?

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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    Zero and Vergil's is based on holding down a ATK button
    Shuma Chun, Frank and Felicia's require holding down a Motion.

    Both have vastly different properties. For example, Vergil can maintain a charged Round trip via a glitch that escapes me at this moment while Shuma has to rely on the before mentioned tech to move around efficiently and offensively.

    That's why My testicles shrink everytime someone mentions that Jill is hard while Shuma is easy in a post.
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    Zero and Vergil's is based on holding down a ATK button
    Shuma Chun, Frank and Felicia's require holding down a Motion.

    Both have vastly different properties. For example, Vergil can maintain a charged Round trip via a glitch that escapes me at this moment while Shuma has to rely on the before mentioned tech to move around efficiently and offensively.

    That's why My testicles shrink everytime someone mentions that Jill is hard while Shuma is easy in a post.
    :lol:
  • Mr.PaVy-RDMr.PaVy-RD Joined: Posts: 3,575
    ahh just another day browsing SRK forums.
    I block better in Marvel than i do in Streetfighter :(

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    PW
    Viper
    Iron Man
    Iron Fist
    Tron
    Hsien-Ko
    X23
    Chun-li
    Rocket Raccoon
    She Hulk
    lol x-23
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    I agree with your assessment of Iron Man, though.
    every chun-li ive ever played does this exact combo on me every time. chun-li = top tier
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    ahh just another day browsing SRK forums.

    I don't really have anything to say against/with you. Just wanted to let you know your Profile Icon is effin' hilarious.
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    I don't really have anything to say against/with you. Just wanted to let you know your Profile Icon is effin' hilarious.
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  • True GraveTrue Grave Keepaway Specialist Joined: Posts: 3,554
    there is no secret to his air mobility. qcb m for forward, qcb h for backward. and regardless of how fraudulent i play him, he is not, by any means whatsoever, a difficult character to play.


    Ok....can someone please explain to me what this "fraudulent" means? You damn kids and your flavor of the month fighting game lingo. WTF.

    BTW on topic, i'm surprised Arthur hasn't been brought up much in this thread. There is so much more to using him effectively than "durr, wait till he's the last character then XFC". All of his projectiles serve a vital function depending in the situation and making quick decisions in the heat of the battle takes a while to get used to. As well as learning to make the best of his broken mobility.
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    Ok....can someone please explain to me what this "fraudulent" means? You damn kids and your flavor of the month fighting game lingo. WTF.

    Hahahaha true. Reminds me of Ultra David laughing at CJ Showstoppa for calling Infrit a 'fraud', but then saying but he backs his sh!t up lol.
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  • Bighead902Bighead902 (>^.^)> Hug Time Joined: Posts: 70
    Iron Fist: No zoning, very short time for OTG, and (S) launcher can not hit airbourne enemies, no double jump, or air dash.
    Phoniex Wright: Shitty dash/wave dash, not very damaging combos, MUST master good timing for his "damaging" combos. But DAT Maya Sheild
    Iron Man: Combos are hard to pull off
    Rocket Raccoon: Hard to do air combos, land combos and, low health
    Spider-Man: Hard to pull off combos, not very damaging hypers
    Magneto: I can never cancel, do damaging combos with him
    Strider: Glass cannon, (need I say more)

    and more.. but those are the characters I stay away from the most.. Deadpool, Viper, MODOK, and maybe X-23, I can only do one B&B with her.
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    Phoniex Wright: Shitty dash/wave dash, not very damaging combos, MUST master good timing for his "damaging" combos. But DAT Maya Shield.
    you are aware the shield isn't really that good right you can be thrown and many other things to put you away from it right?
  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    you are aware the shield isn't really that good right you can be thrown and many other things to put you away from it right?

    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.
  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.
    yea one of the best things for the worse character (its still nothing special)
    well it appears in theory that but hulk anti air is like a more risky lariet because if you block it you can easily combo him and since he's an assist its an easy kill.
    Also your tactics seem to only work in lag not if playing offline (which I hate to say)
  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.

    ? Its only 200k unscaled.
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  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    yea one of the best things for the worse character (its still nothing special)
    well it appears in theory that but hulk anti air is like a more risky lariet because if you block it you can easily combo him and since he's an assist its an easy kill.
    Also your tactics seem to only work in lag not if playing offline (which I hate to say)

    Well I hate to tell you this but at Arcade UFO in Austin (Good scene, Fanatiq was there not even a month ago, NerdJosh, Mamespider, Mihe, Jan, Ect. play regularly)theres a PW player by the name of "Poltergus" (spelling?), and he consistantly woops ass every other week at Ranbat With his PW/AA Hulk/Missles team. He usually places top 3, and you can't argue with results(which I love to say). Your lack of character knowledge and then refutation of that knowledge when its presented to you is very strange.... I'm just telling you what I see consistantly every week with good players. Have you ever even played a good Phoenix Wright?

    I also never argued that he was a good character, but when you consider the tools PW has, YES, THE SHIELD IS VERY "SPECIAL". And I don't even touch the complete garbage called "online" since I have a local scene, so I wouldnt even begin to understand what works well and what doesn't. Also, Hulk's AA works much better than Haggar lariat in certain matchups (Against magneto, for example, who destroys haggar assist with spammed Cr. L)

    Sorry if I come off as salty. Im just a bit irked by your response.
  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    ? Its only 200k unscaled.

    Im not sure what you're reffering to. The damage of the AA assist?
  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    Well I hate to tell you this but at Arcade UFO in Austin (Good scene, Fanatiq was there not even a month ago, NerdJosh, Mamespider, Mihe, Jan, Ect. play regularly)theres a PW player by the name of "Poltergus" (spelling?), and he consistantly woops ass every other week at Ranbat With his PW/AA Hulk/Missles team. He usually places top 3, and you can't argue with results(which I love to say). Your lack of character knowledge and then refutation of that knowledge when its presented to you is very strange.... I'm just telling you what I see consistantly every week with good players. Have you ever even played a good Phoenix Wright?

    I also never argued that he was a good character, but when you consider the tools PW has, YES, THE SHIELD IS VERY "SPECIAL". And I don't even touch the complete garbage called "online" since I have a local scene, so I wouldnt even begin to understand what works well and what doesn't. Also, Hulk's AA works much better than Haggar lariat in certain matchups (Against magneto, for example, who destroys haggar assist with spammed Cr. L)

    Sorry if I come off as salty. Im just a bit irked by your response.
    I actually have faced that guy online and hes a cool guy but one guy doesn't change the fact phoenix pretty much sucks its like saying RR top tier because of final round and the 200k thing he mentioned I think he means the damage the shield can take which I know is unscaled so a plasma beam can take it out in nearly one shot.
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    Shuma
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    Chun Li
    Maybe Iron Man

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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    Im not sure what you're reffering to. The damage of the AA assist?

    how much damage Maya can absorb. It's a very small amount.
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  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    how much damage Maya can absorb. It's a very small amount.

    Very interesting. Noted. Though tearing through the shield with a beam hyper isnt always the best idea......
  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,333
    Maya's shield lasts for 152 frames, and absorbs a maximum of 250k damage.

    Just in-case you're wondering.
  • MysticRayMysticRay Mashes Dive Kick Until It Works. Joined: Posts: 4,732
    Shuma is the hardest character by far. Charge dashing is fucking infuriating. Also to connect mystic stare to myatic ray right after each other you basically have to hold down back then recenter the stick during the opening attack frame of mystic stare then hold down in order to partition the charge for mystic ray. If you miss the opening frame timing then youll drop the combo.
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  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,604 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    lol x-23

    you're gonna need to convince me a lot more than just saying "lol x-23"

    I've been playing the character since day 1 vanilla, and without a proper team to support her she can be a struggle to learn. Her feint combos require execution, and she doesn't have the idiotic hitboxes some of these other characters do.
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    MFC's aren't hard persay, they are just awkward to do.
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  • EnDaNickofTimeEnDaNickofTime Joined: Posts: 731
    MFC's aren't hard persay, they are just awkward to do.

    Especially on pad.... :(
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 592
    I see X-23 & Ammy the same, in that although their advanced combos are complex, they still have simple bnbs that suffice.
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    I see X-23 & Ammy the same, in that although their advanced combos are complex, they still have simple bnbs that suffice.
    what your saying mash forward H repeated is easy
    no but seriously a lot of ammi's say she has hard combos but just do the mash H combo
    so do not believe them!
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 592
    I slyly think Ammy's quite a hard character to use effectively. I'm generally inclined to try the more challenging combos with a character (ignore the fact I use Cap), so I'm more interested in her advanced combos. I also like the use of her stance shifting, but when you could just do abc-HHHH-S as the majority do, there's no need to really mention her in this discussion unfortunately.
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  • STANGSTANG Joined: Posts: 1,200
    Phoenix wright and iron fist are not hard to use. They are just bad.
    Also difficulty is subjective.

    Charge partitioning
    22S mid combo
    Tk dragon punch
    Instant air dash
    Negative edge

    Some people find it easier to do one or the other.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    yeah difficulty is subjective, but you're not going to find a single person who thinks charge partitioning is easy
    at all
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  • EnDaNickofTimeEnDaNickofTime Joined: Posts: 731
    Charge partitioning is easier with shuma than chun li... Because his dash is long and slow... Chun li is just ridiculous

    I never understood negative edge.. Any characters like that in marvel?

    Tk dragon punch is retarded... I hate those...
  • evilweevleevilweevle Xbox GT : MrFossy Joined: Posts: 4,275
    The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet,

    no this was pretty common knowledge among PW players from about day 2 or so of the game coming out.

    PW needs a team built around him and missiles is pretty much the perfect assist to give PW since it gives him a huge amount of time to search for evidence. i think PW is only as good as the team that surrounds him. the guy you play sounds like he has a pretty well worked out team to use PW effectively.
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  • triplexraidertriplexraider Fall into darkness! Joined: Posts: 1,057
    no this was pretty common knowledge among PW players from about day 2 or so of the game coming out.

    PW needs a team built around him and missiles is pretty much the perfect assist to give PW since it gives him a huge amount of time to search for evidence. i think PW is only as good as the team that surrounds him. the guy you play sounds like he has a pretty well worked out team to use PW effectively.

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  • evilweevleevilweevle Xbox GT : MrFossy Joined: Posts: 4,275
    hsien ko is a really hard character to use since the only way to play her is by bashing your head repeatedly on the stick in frustration.

    least she only has ABC combos which makes things a little easier.
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  • GodotsRevengeGodotsRevenge [HE] Joined: Posts: 1,313
    Phoenix Wright isn't exactly hard to use, you just need to never, and I mean NEVER make a mistake. If you make a mistake, PW dies easily, but if you make not-completely-idiotic choices, he's the best character in the game.
    That was a joke. Haha.
  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    Phoenix Wright isn't exactly hard to use, you just need to never, and I mean NEVER make a mistake. If you make a mistake, PW dies easily, but if you make not-completely-idiotic choices, he's the best character in the game.
    '
    ... what? Isn't this true for 99% of the cast? Hell, wouldn't it be less true for PW since he has a large amount of life?
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    Phoenix wright and iron fist are not hard to use. They are just bad.
    Also difficulty is subjective.

    Charge partitioning
    22S mid combo
    Tk dragon punch
    Instant air dash
    Negative edge

    Some people find it easier to do one or the other.

    Difficulty is only subjective when it's relative.

    22S Mid combo will NEVER be as difficult as charge partitioning or doing something (which isn't difficult) like a TK DP. 22S= 3 buttons, TK Dragon punch is double that.
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  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,604 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    MFC's aren't hard persay, they are just awkward to do.

    MFC's are just techs that keep most of Laura's normals safe on whiff. Depending on the players execution they can be quite easy to achieve with enough time spent in the lab. Advanced feint combos require stronger execution because they have better corner carry and they are quite easy to drop, especially online imo.
    Especially on pad.... :(

    Normally I would agree with you, however, I am a pad player and I have mastered MFCs from pad play. The other X23 players that I have talked to actually say that MFCs on pad are a lot easier to do than on a stick. The one's that play on a stick resort to holding down the "S" button method I noticed.
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  • GodotsRevengeGodotsRevenge [HE] Joined: Posts: 1,313
    '
    ... what? Isn't this true for 99% of the cast? Hell, wouldn't it be less true for PW since he has a large amount of life?
    True, but PW is pretty much the only character who doesn't depend on offense or mix-ups, so you can focus on defense. All the other characters make it so that you have to be careful when guarding and fighting, but PW can only screw up in one area.
    That was a joke. Haha.
  • RedFlame115RedFlame115 Joined: Posts: 396
    Umm X-23 doesn't just take execution ,along with her feint combos being ridiculously hard to perform her air movement is very predictable. So if she isn't covered by a beam assist she's dead. Her damage is average. I think this is why most players don't ever think about picking her up. Doom can do more damage by just doing foot loops and are very simple, while her feint combos can be easily dropped and don't do as much damage.
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  • Alex RamosAlex Ramos Joined: Posts: 3
    See here's the problem. She has a tracking fireball that she can shoot 3 times in the air. She has a omni directional tracking teleport air ok that also side switches in the corner. She has an AMAZING 8 way dash and flight. She has a move that beats almost every option in the game that has good frame data. She has an invincible super. That does not sound like someone I would give 850k health too.

    Found some solutions

    - She can only shoot one homing fireball that goes about midscreen and then she falls without being able to block.
    - Like someone said it doesn't cross- up ,also there are faster teleports than hers.
    - She has very good mobility, but her flight is average or below.
    - All she has is her Burn Out Beak (down heavy) move that goes downward her other moves like Flare Sword (forward heavy) no longer tracks, her cr. M (slide) distance was nerfed by 50%.(You sure we aren't talking about Vanilla Phoenix?)
    - She indeed does have an invincible super.
    - Her damage output potential is 544k (700k w/ super) , but her more practical combos are 400-500k (500-600k w/ super).
    - Wesker has one of the fastest teleports in game, 1,000,000 health, i think his most damaging combo is 600k?, the shades.
    - Strider has great movement and ourroboros.
    - Vergil has great solo damage , average teleport, swords.
    - Need i say more?
    -Like someone else said, she probably get used as much as storm does.Without Dark Phoenix she doesn't have much. Average damage, nice movement, healing, and doesn't really benefit from assists other than being covered during teleporting or getting in.
    - She would be playable if she had 700-800k , and got some of her problems fixed. Either give her back her full mobility or give her better damage output. Both would be good put that would be borderline broken. But then again she doesn't have dark phoenix.
    - She's actually takes sometime to get use to and learn , but after that she does great. Most people overestimate phoenix's solo potential when all they can get with her is a little below 400k.
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  • Natureboy477Natureboy477 Joined: Posts: 149
    Zero
    lolwat?

    Zero, the character that is impossible to make a mistake with because he is always safe, is the hardest character in the game to use?
  • MarkColtonMarkColton Zero Income Joined: Posts: 39
    lolwat?

    Zero, the character that is impossible to make a mistake with because he is always safe, is the hardest character in the game to use?
    Hell yeah man I'm a fighting game n00b and it doesn't help that i play with a ds3.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 592
    Hell yeah man I'm a fighting game n00b and it doesn't help that i play with a ds3.

    I agree with you in that Zero is one of the harder characters to use, and I've been following the games series for a while.

    That said, though I did mention him as one of the harder characters to use before, now I feel that although he is more difficult to get used to using then most of the cast at first, when you get used to him, his priority and moveset give him an advantage over practically everyone else in the game.
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  • Natureboy477Natureboy477 Joined: Posts: 149
    I agree with you in that Zero is one of the harder characters to use, and I've been following the games series for a while.

    That said, though I did mention him as one of the harder characters to use before, now I feel that although he is more difficult to get used to using then most of the cast at first, when you get used to him, his priority and moveset give him an advantage over practically everyone else in the game.
    He's not even remotely hard to use though... You just have to get used to holding down l and that's all there is too him.

    I will give you that he is harder than most of the cast, he's definitely not hard.
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 592
    I'm not saying buster cancelling in itself is difficult, but there aren't really any other characters whose play is dependent on buster cancelling special moves. So he will initially take just a little more effort to get used to than the others.

    But from there, everything else is easy for him as he has high priority and he becomes a moving mix-up. The only other thing you've got to get down to reach his full potential is lightening loops. Which again would be difficult for people that aren't use to it's execution (and despite what people say I still see Flocker, Richard Nguyen, Killer Kai and Flocker drop it on occasion so it's not as easy as some people say lol).

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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,584
    I'm not saying buster cancelling in itself is difficult, but there aren't really any other characters whose play is dependent on buster cancelling special moves. So he will initially take just a little more effort to get used to than the others.

    .

    Vergil?

    There's characters that require FAR harder things then simply holding a button. I feel that we already had this conversation at some point in time already though.

    I see many top players drop Wolverine combos, the fact that people drop them are irrelevant. What is relevant that if you drop a LL you get a free 50/50, but if you drop a Chun,Shuma,Viper combo you get punished.
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