Hardest Characters To Use?

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  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    Just to dash once and hold a charge you have to hold back then dash forward and mid dash, instantly transition to back then go back to neutral. Any poor timing mistiming will result in the loss of the charge or a back dash. Fun stuff
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  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    Well, not really. CP is doing an action (in this case p-linking) while not holding that direction specifically, and only going back to holding that direction once the charge is charged.
    Yeah I have no clue what you're talking about anymore lol. It's my fault, I haven't spent enough time with characters like zero or chun li that can charge things and I'm not an expert on plink dashing either.
    Am I getting things like charging zero's buster with a button and charging something like Hulk's gamma wave mixed up? Maybe that's why I'm not understanding anything.
  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    Just to dash once and hold a charge you have to hold back then dash forward and mid dash, instantly transition to back then go back to neutral. Any poor timing mistiming will result in the loss of the charge or a back dash. Fun stuff
    Do you need to do that for every single dash? That shit's crazy.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    Do you need to do that for every single dash? That shit's crazy.
    yes
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  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,333
    Zero and Vergil's charge is way different from Chun and Shuma's.
  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    yes
    :wow:
    Just noticed your signature, guess it is hard as fuck.
    Wait so are you really the real Gootecks?
  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,333
    :wow:
    Just noticed your signature, guess it is hard as fuck.
    Wait so are you really the real Gootecks?

    He is.

    In imagination land.
  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    Zero and Vergil's charge is way different from Chun and Shuma's.
    Oh. Well, now I feel like an idiot.
  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,333
    Oh. Well, now I feel like an idiot.

    Not knowing something does not equate to you being an idiot.

    We all make mistakes, it's life. Some of us can't even admit to those mistakes.
  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    Not knowing something does not equate to you being an idiot.

    We all make mistakes, it's life. Some of us can't even admit to those mistakes.
    Thanks man. I just felt that way because three people responded to help me understand how to plink dash with shuma, and I was mixing things up and confusing myself haha.
  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,585
    Zero and Vergil's is based on holding down a ATK button
    Shuma Chun, Frank and Felicia's require holding down a Motion.

    Both have vastly different properties. For example, Vergil can maintain a charged Round trip via a glitch that escapes me at this moment while Shuma has to rely on the before mentioned tech to move around efficiently and offensively.

    That's why My testicles shrink everytime someone mentions that Jill is hard while Shuma is easy in a post.
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  • DeskLampTVDeskLampTV Joined: Posts: 890
    Zero and Vergil's is based on holding down a ATK button
    Shuma Chun, Frank and Felicia's require holding down a Motion.

    Both have vastly different properties. For example, Vergil can maintain a charged Round trip via a glitch that escapes me at this moment while Shuma has to rely on the before mentioned tech to move around efficiently and offensively.

    That's why My testicles shrink everytime someone mentions that Jill is hard while Shuma is easy in a post.
    :lol:
  • Mr.PaVy-RDMr.PaVy-RD Joined: Posts: 3,578
    ahh just another day browsing SRK forums.
    I block better in Marvel than i do in Streetfighter :(

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  • Pande IIPande II Joined: Posts: 55
    PW
    Viper
    Iron Man
    Iron Fist
    Tron
    Hsien-Ko
    X23
    Chun-li
    Rocket Raccoon
    She Hulk
    lol x-23
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    I agree with your assessment of Iron Man, though.
    every chun-li ive ever played does this exact combo on me every time. chun-li = top tier
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  • PrototypeKHPrototypeKH Joined: Posts: 34
    ahh just another day browsing SRK forums.

    I don't really have anything to say against/with you. Just wanted to let you know your Profile Icon is effin' hilarious.
  • Mr.PaVy-RDMr.PaVy-RD Joined: Posts: 3,578
    I don't really have anything to say against/with you. Just wanted to let you know your Profile Icon is effin' hilarious.
    =)
    I block better in Marvel than i do in Streetfighter :(

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  • True GraveTrue Grave Keepaway Specialist Joined: Posts: 3,554
    there is no secret to his air mobility. qcb m for forward, qcb h for backward. and regardless of how fraudulent i play him, he is not, by any means whatsoever, a difficult character to play.


    Ok....can someone please explain to me what this "fraudulent" means? You damn kids and your flavor of the month fighting game lingo. WTF.

    BTW on topic, i'm surprised Arthur hasn't been brought up much in this thread. There is so much more to using him effectively than "durr, wait till he's the last character then XFC". All of his projectiles serve a vital function depending in the situation and making quick decisions in the heat of the battle takes a while to get used to. As well as learning to make the best of his broken mobility.
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  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 697
    Ok....can someone please explain to me what this "fraudulent" means? You damn kids and your flavor of the month fighting game lingo. WTF.

    Hahahaha true. Reminds me of Ultra David laughing at CJ Showstoppa for calling Infrit a 'fraud', but then saying but he backs his sh!t up lol.
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  • Bighead902Bighead902 (>^.^)> Hug Time Joined: Posts: 70
    Iron Fist: No zoning, very short time for OTG, and (S) launcher can not hit airbourne enemies, no double jump, or air dash.
    Phoniex Wright: Shitty dash/wave dash, not very damaging combos, MUST master good timing for his "damaging" combos. But DAT Maya Sheild
    Iron Man: Combos are hard to pull off
    Rocket Raccoon: Hard to do air combos, land combos and, low health
    Spider-Man: Hard to pull off combos, not very damaging hypers
    Magneto: I can never cancel, do damaging combos with him
    Strider: Glass cannon, (need I say more)

    and more.. but those are the characters I stay away from the most.. Deadpool, Viper, MODOK, and maybe X-23, I can only do one B&B with her.
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    Phoniex Wright: Shitty dash/wave dash, not very damaging combos, MUST master good timing for his "damaging" combos. But DAT Maya Shield.
    you are aware the shield isn't really that good right you can be thrown and many other things to put you away from it right?
  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    you are aware the shield isn't really that good right you can be thrown and many other things to put you away from it right?

    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.
  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.
    yea one of the best things for the worse character (its still nothing special)
    well it appears in theory that but hulk anti air is like a more risky lariet because if you block it you can easily combo him and since he's an assist its an easy kill.
    Also your tactics seem to only work in lag not if playing offline (which I hate to say)
  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,585
    You couldn't be more wrong-its one of the best things about him. The shield protects from ALL sides, so standing in the middle of it grants near complete invulnerability. Most PW players aren't perfecting/havent realized this yet, but thats simply because there aren't alot of them. Add this to sentinel drones/missles/AA hulk backing him up, and your only option is to grab phoenix or try to derp around the shield (Missles, Fair/foul wind, certain hypers, ect.).

    If you grab him while he's looking for evidence (he usually is when the shield is out), then perfect, you got through the shield. Hopefully the drones/missles wont stop you after. If, however, you mess up the input for the grab and get an attack instead, OR if he simply JUMPS-you're fucked.

    ? Its only 200k unscaled.
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  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    yea one of the best things for the worse character (its still nothing special)
    well it appears in theory that but hulk anti air is like a more risky lariet because if you block it you can easily combo him and since he's an assist its an easy kill.
    Also your tactics seem to only work in lag not if playing offline (which I hate to say)

    Well I hate to tell you this but at Arcade UFO in Austin (Good scene, Fanatiq was there not even a month ago, NerdJosh, Mamespider, Mihe, Jan, Ect. play regularly)theres a PW player by the name of "Poltergus" (spelling?), and he consistantly woops ass every other week at Ranbat With his PW/AA Hulk/Missles team. He usually places top 3, and you can't argue with results(which I love to say). Your lack of character knowledge and then refutation of that knowledge when its presented to you is very strange.... I'm just telling you what I see consistantly every week with good players. Have you ever even played a good Phoenix Wright?

    I also never argued that he was a good character, but when you consider the tools PW has, YES, THE SHIELD IS VERY "SPECIAL". And I don't even touch the complete garbage called "online" since I have a local scene, so I wouldnt even begin to understand what works well and what doesn't. Also, Hulk's AA works much better than Haggar lariat in certain matchups (Against magneto, for example, who destroys haggar assist with spammed Cr. L)

    Sorry if I come off as salty. Im just a bit irked by your response.
  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    ? Its only 200k unscaled.

    Im not sure what you're reffering to. The damage of the AA assist?
  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    Well I hate to tell you this but at Arcade UFO in Austin (Good scene, Fanatiq was there not even a month ago, NerdJosh, Mamespider, Mihe, Jan, Ect. play regularly)theres a PW player by the name of "Poltergus" (spelling?), and he consistantly woops ass every other week at Ranbat With his PW/AA Hulk/Missles team. He usually places top 3, and you can't argue with results(which I love to say). Your lack of character knowledge and then refutation of that knowledge when its presented to you is very strange.... I'm just telling you what I see consistantly every week with good players. Have you ever even played a good Phoenix Wright?

    I also never argued that he was a good character, but when you consider the tools PW has, YES, THE SHIELD IS VERY "SPECIAL". And I don't even touch the complete garbage called "online" since I have a local scene, so I wouldnt even begin to understand what works well and what doesn't. Also, Hulk's AA works much better than Haggar lariat in certain matchups (Against magneto, for example, who destroys haggar assist with spammed Cr. L)

    Sorry if I come off as salty. Im just a bit irked by your response.
    I actually have faced that guy online and hes a cool guy but one guy doesn't change the fact phoenix pretty much sucks its like saying RR top tier because of final round and the 200k thing he mentioned I think he means the damage the shield can take which I know is unscaled so a plasma beam can take it out in nearly one shot.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    Shuma
    Viper
    Raccoon
    Chun Li
    Maybe Iron Man

    That is my top 5 list
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,585
    Im not sure what you're reffering to. The damage of the AA assist?

    how much damage Maya can absorb. It's a very small amount.
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  • Awsumpossum12345Awsumpossum12345 Joined: Posts: 43
    how much damage Maya can absorb. It's a very small amount.

    Very interesting. Noted. Though tearing through the shield with a beam hyper isnt always the best idea......
  • DreizeDreize How quaint... Joined: Posts: 1,333
    Maya's shield lasts for 152 frames, and absorbs a maximum of 250k damage.

    Just in-case you're wondering.
  • MysticRayMysticRay Mashes Dive Kick Until It Works. Joined: Posts: 4,732
    Shuma is the hardest character by far. Charge dashing is fucking infuriating. Also to connect mystic stare to myatic ray right after each other you basically have to hold down back then recenter the stick during the opening attack frame of mystic stare then hold down in order to partition the charge for mystic ray. If you miss the opening frame timing then youll drop the combo.
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  • EphidelEphidel Old Man SRK Joined: Posts: 14,822 ✭✭✭✭✭ OG
    lol x-23

    you're gonna need to convince me a lot more than just saying "lol x-23"

    I've been playing the character since day 1 vanilla, and without a proper team to support her she can be a struggle to learn. Her feint combos require execution, and she doesn't have the idiotic hitboxes some of these other characters do.
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  • NonSexualRiceNonSexualRice Riding The VaporWave Joined: Posts: 3,585
    MFC's aren't hard persay, they are just awkward to do.
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  • EnDaNickofTimeEnDaNickofTime Joined: Posts: 731
    MFC's aren't hard persay, they are just awkward to do.

    Especially on pad.... :(
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 697
    I see X-23 & Ammy the same, in that although their advanced combos are complex, they still have simple bnbs that suffice.
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  • eivellordsm2eivellordsm2 Macho Barbarian dongzilla Joined: Posts: 1,334
    I see X-23 & Ammy the same, in that although their advanced combos are complex, they still have simple bnbs that suffice.
    what your saying mash forward H repeated is easy
    no but seriously a lot of ammi's say she has hard combos but just do the mash H combo
    so do not believe them!
  • YawDanYawDan Joined: Posts: 697
    I slyly think Ammy's quite a hard character to use effectively. I'm generally inclined to try the more challenging combos with a character (ignore the fact I use Cap), so I'm more interested in her advanced combos. I also like the use of her stance shifting, but when you could just do abc-HHHH-S as the majority do, there's no need to really mention her in this discussion unfortunately.
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  • STANGSTANG Joined: Posts: 1,200
    Phoenix wright and iron fist are not hard to use. They are just bad.
    Also difficulty is subjective.

    Charge partitioning
    22S mid combo
    Tk dragon punch
    Instant air dash
    Negative edge

    Some people find it easier to do one or the other.
  • RokmodeRokmode preppy asked me to change my title rip meaty mud flap Joined: Posts: 8,306
    yeah difficulty is subjective, but you're not going to find a single person who thinks charge partitioning is easy
    at all
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