Dural....Tournament Worthiness???

SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking TrainingJoined: Posts: 232
Hey I recently got VF5:FS and unlocked Dural real quick. A friend of mine ask me if Dural was tournament Legal seeing as he couldn't find any match videos for that character. So is the chrome sentinel of CHEAP legal or not? and please explain why.
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  • tatakitataki misplaced Joined: Posts: 7,706
    She's not in the arcades and was not designed to be tournament legal.
    So I'm assuming she'll be banned unless Sega officially adds her to the arcade version.
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  • SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking Training Joined: Posts: 232
    Thank you... It's what i thought, and i just needed to be sure.
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  • OmegamarthOmegamarth Joined: Posts: 89
    Even if Dural WAS in the arcade version, she was made to be about as fair as Gill in 3S, so yeah, she's banned.

    How do you unlock her in this one anyways?
  • frostycykefrostycyke Optic..wha? Joined: Posts: 735
    It even says when you unlock Dural that she is only allowed in offline VS and some online room matches. So you cant even use her in ranked or player matches. that should give you a hint on what sega thinks about Dural.

    And just beat arcade to unlock her.
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  • FighterJunkieFighterJunkie Ouroboros, ACTIVATE! Joined: Posts: 22
    Yeah, with borrowing moves from other characters, notably mimicking Vanessa's moveset, making them faster and more powerful, it's no wonder she's banned for tourney play. They could've balanced her out to make the character on par with all the other characters balancing-wise though, like they've done with some of the SNK bosses like Saiki.
  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    Yeah, with borrowing moves from other characters, notably mimicking Vanessa's moveset, making them faster and more powerful, it's no wonder she's banned for tourney play. They could've balanced her out to make the character on par with all the other characters balancing-wise though, like they've done with some of the SNK bosses like Saiki.

    Which moves are faster? More powerful? She actually is balanced now. This is the most viable version of her we have had. Ill even go on to say Akira is a stronger character.
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  • SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking Training Joined: Posts: 232
    Which moves are faster? More powerful? She actually is balanced now. This is the most viable version of her we have had. Ill even go on to say Akira is a stronger character.
    Any source to that claim? No seriously, is there proof?
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  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,705
    Dural's banned because she's stupid and heavy.
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    But she's not even that heavy
    Any source to that claim? No seriously, is there proof?

    Where's YOUR proof? I play alot of characters. Dural is one of them
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  • SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking Training Joined: Posts: 232
    But she's not even that heavy



    Where's YOUR proof? I play alot of characters. Dural is one of them
    No i mean where is the proof to the claim she is balance? That's all.... jeez
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    Have you played as Dural? Do you know her moves?
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  • SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking Training Joined: Posts: 232
    Have you played as Dural? Do you know her moves?
    yes i have. And She's pretty CHEAP but not safe. That why i asked if she was Tourney Legal.
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    whats cheap then lol
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  • SammuraibladeSammuraiblade Lacking Training Joined: Posts: 232
    Well you can combo your opponent to the wall than do nothing but air chest bump to death. Or simply use that same move in differnet stings 3 or 4...waittaminute i'm asking to your claim that she is balance. Is that your own findings or what?
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  • Bomberman3000Bomberman3000 The Headshaker Joined: Posts: 2,456
    I tried out Dural in training mode to see what she's all about.

    She's Gill tier, hahahahah.
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  • BullDancerBullDancer Mentos, The Freshmaker Joined: Posts: 9,552
    lol Dural does EVERYTHING well.......

    Why wouldn't she be banned, bitch can transition from striker to heavy grappler, no problems......

    She has all of the most powerful throws and some damn good normals.....

    Really?

    She is still WAY too good.......

    I wish someone would come up to me talking about Dural is fair.......

    Fairest she's every been is still mad unfair.......
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  • SchiffSchiff Joined: Posts: 623
    I agree, Dural is clearly overpowered, she can do anything it wants....
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    Where do you guys even come up with this stuff...

    Have you seen a good Jacky? A good Akira!? And don't tell me you have.
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    I've seen good Jackies and Akiras.
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  • BacardiBacardi steal this avatar Joined: Posts: 5,394 mod
    Dural is banned and this is not changing, she is not available to play in arcades
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  • AionAion Is a Pre-Madonna Joined: Posts: 1,055
    Watch this video and you will never ask this question again:
  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    You do realize Akira can do the same thing right?
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    Show me.
  • DravidianDravidian He who is CAT Joined: Posts: 702
    .....what?
    The first move did over 70% life, most likely 75%. Counter hits only add, at most, 60% more damage. Assuming there wasnt counter hit damage youre saying that akira shoulder does about 45%(give or take about 1.whatever% since it depends on what the actual percent of life taken) of an opponents life......ok.

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    Watch this video and you will never ask this question again:

    WTF? Is there something I'm missing here? How the hell did she do so much damage off that one move?
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  • DravidianDravidian He who is CAT Joined: Posts: 702
    WTF? Is there something I'm missing here? How the hell did she do so much damage off that one move?
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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    no...

    Taka does his hcf+P. This move has auto block properties, and it can't block EVERY attack though. Dural OM's to get the best angle, and does a "perfect" body check, directly on the wall, and then just does a combo go finish. If you think this is practical at all, that's great. lol Normally the body check will only do around 40-70ish damage depending on how deep it hits and if its CH

    So yeah any Taka with half a brain isn't gonna be trying that move near a wall.
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  • DravidianDravidian He who is CAT Joined: Posts: 702
    no...

    Taka does his hcf+P. This move has auto block properties, and it can't block EVERY attack though. Dural OM's to get the best angle, and does a "perfect" body check, directly on the wall, and then just does a combo go finish. If you think this is practical at all, that's great. lol Normally the body check will only do around 40-70ish damage depending on how deep it hits and if its CH

    So yeah any Taka with half a brain isn't gonna be trying that move near a wall.
    That's not the point. It was counter hit. Just about any move can be counter hit if timed correctly, but if you're making a video to just show counter hit damage, why would you use a move thats difficult to counter hit? Just choose an easy one. It may not have been practical for a combo, but it was practical for the videos purpose.
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  • BullDancerBullDancer Mentos, The Freshmaker Joined: Posts: 9,552
    The game was not balanced around Dural....... that is justification enough for making the case that he is unfair.......

    In lack of a better analogy, I'll use one from Super Turbo.....

    In Super Turbo, there is this boss character named Akuma who is broken..... while he some pretty damn good normals and specials + a fully invincible teleport and air fireball......

    In HDR, a rebalance of super turbo, nearly everything about him was made worse but there was still one move that gave him an advantage against every character in the game...... the air fireball....... no character in the game was designed to fight against fireballs in the air, only across the ground......

    In this case, Dural is an air fireball...... as weird as that may sound.........

    None of the characters were balanced to fight against all of the fuckery that Dural has......... you could make the case, if Dural was designed to fight amongst the other characters....... however Sega makes it quite obvious that they did not intend for that.....

    In all of these iterations that have been made, they never balanced the characters around Dural........ therefore just from that fact alone, you can assume that Dural is going to be unfair.....

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  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    Just about any move can be counter hit if timed correctly, but if you're making a video to just show counter hit damage, why would you use a move thats difficult to counter hit?
    Because it does more damage, when that Taka move gets counterhit, and from THAT close, and at that EXACT angle. That's the point. Have you ever hit someone out of an unblockable in tekken? and the move does 400% damage or more?

    And again, Akira has the same move.
    I get the game later today so I wont mind playing you....I'm kind of a noob though.
    But you don't even have the game yet though, and don't even know what she does. You probably didn't know she has 2 styles.
    you can assume that Dural is going to be unfair...
    Lol that's eveyone's problem. Everyone is just ASSUMING she's unfair/broken. She doesn't have anything near as a broken as a air fireball. that was hella cheap and unfair. Dude had legit 10-0 matchups. The only valid argument you guys had that made any sort of sense, was the fact that you can't play her in arcade.
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  • SaranghaSarangha Look within yourself Joined: Posts: 4,256
    Dural has never been allowed in any major VF tournament in any game to my knowledge. This isn't like street fighter where most of the time they create a nerfed boss for competitive play. Dural has devastating combos that are relatively easy to get on people, a throw game comparable to the best grapplers. Dural has always been included in VF to have fun and play around with but I can safely guarantee you that Dural won't be allowed at any major tournaments.

    Dural won't be at Evo you can count on that.

    EDIT: Someone will probably make a video in the coming weeks showing the OP of Dural.
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  • DravidianDravidian He who is CAT Joined: Posts: 702
    Because it does more damage, when that Taka move gets counterhit, and from THAT close, and at that EXACT angle. That's the point. Have you ever hit someone out of an unblockable in tekken? and the move does 400% damage or more?

    And again, Akira has the same move.
    Are you saying that range and angle will augment counterhit damage? If you're not talking out your arse then; no I didnt know that those thing could cause a move to do around 75% of someones life in a single hit, followed by 4 moves that take the remaining 25% and 1 more hit just for poops and giggles.
    Why are you bringing up a different game with different system mechanics and different damage factors? There is no correlation.

    But you don't even have the game yet though, and don't even know what she does. You probably didn't know she has 2 styles.
    Sigh. I played VF4 (vanessa) and a bit of the first VF5. I haven't touched final showdown though, so yes, you are COMPLETELY right in saying I havent played final Showdown. Congrats. Even if I hadnt played VF4 and VF5 there's these things called youtube and streams; I would have learned a lot about this game even if I had no background in it at all. Seriously. That's like saying I dont know what Seth does in SFVAE2012 even though I played before the 2012 version or even AE came out.

    EDIT:Your point about Akira having the same move is moot. They have different properties and different advantages. So the move looking the same is completely irrelevant
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  • cygnuscygnus going up Joined: Posts: 977
    1. Dural is not heavy anymore...she is the same weight as Vanessa
    2. Rapid mode Dural...
    - Has ~100 damage front and back throws, plus they are TFT new and old so they double as the best RO throws as well
    - Has a 10f punisher...something no one else in the game has
    - Does ~80 damage off a 14f punisher on everyone but Taka
    - Gets guaranteed 3kkkk on Taka, any stance, normal hit
    - Lacks big launchers...but has the best and most abuseable strings in the game. She has 3kkkk/3kk2kk which is Sarah's fl kk string, except it starts mid and the first two hits jail, so you have to accept the mixup on block. Mid and you get launched, low and you are put into the same situation again. Then there's 3kp. Wow so cheesy...mid~mid, -6 on block but it pushes back about 10 feet. The 2nd hit is half circular, delayable, and guaranteed on counter-hit. Gives side-turned situation on any hit.

    Rapid Dural is definitely the best character in the game, if not the absolute cheesiest and does nothing but dumb down the game. If she was legal there's be no reason to not use her. Massive Dural is basically Jeffry with Wolf's throw damage...why use Wolf or Jeffry? On top of that, having Akira's P+K, one of his best moves.

    Then of course she has p+k+g...16f mid, +3 on block...not exactly the most broken thing ever since you can't force it vs 2p, but it gets really stupid against a wall. No one else has a move like this.

    I don't think Dural is the most broken thing ever, but she is clearly the best character in the game, and if she were legal you'd be a fool to use anyone else. The fact that other characters can do the same things she can is a moot point...if Akira can do this one stupid thing Dural has, and Jacky can do this other stupid thing she has, and Wolf and Jeffry and whoever can do these things, why would I pick one of those characters can do some of those things, when I can just pick Dural and to all of them and then some? lol
  • CozbyCozby 4ocious Joined: Posts: 189
    whats the 10f punsiher and the TFT combo?
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  • cygnuscygnus going up Joined: Posts: 977
    3pk and 46k+gk, p, 2p+k, 7k works on most characters from back tft. You can do 46k+gk, 4p+k, 7k even on Jeffry for 91 from the back one. Even on Taka you get 4k+g, 7kk. You can get over 100 on lighter characters, esp. from the back one using 4k+g.
  • danomightydanomighty WTFSRK Joined: Posts: 1,349
    Dural is still the boss? God damn Sega mix that shit up... =__=''
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  • BullDancerBullDancer Mentos, The Freshmaker Joined: Posts: 9,552
    Are you saying that range and angle will augment counterhit damage? If you're not talking out your arse then; no I didnt know that those thing could cause a move to do around 75% of someones life in a single hit, followed by 4 moves that take the remaining 25% and 1 more hit just for poops and giggles.
    Why are you bringing up a different game with different system mechanics and different damage factors? There is no correlation.



    Eh sorry to burst your bubble, but you get more damage by hitting someone from the side(or back) and you get more damage on counter hit.......

    That looked like both of the above.....

    Just clearing up misconceptions.....
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  • DravidianDravidian He who is CAT Joined: Posts: 702
    Eh sorry to burst your bubble, but you get more damage by hitting someone from the side(or back) and you get more damage on counter hit.......

    That looked like both of the above.....

    Just clearing up misconceptions.....
    In my original post I said counter hit was at most 60%. Correct me if I'm wrong but the 3 counter hit bonuses are 40%, 50%, and 60%. I thought it was based on the move used, but feel free to correct me and lead me to a source.

    Also, the guy, to my knowledge, was talking about the angle of the attack it self not positioning. If he wasnt then he's free to make some sort of note or reply.

    Lastly, I thought you only get the bonus damage from side/back hits after guard break...could be wrong. In any case, do you think that the side hit bonus and counter hit bonus would lead to doing 75% damage in a single hit. (not being sarcastic, I'm actually asking)

    EDIT: I reviewed the video and Dural sidestepped before Taka even began his attack, so I dont think it was side hit. I'll hit up training and test it myself later
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  • kikimaru024kikimaru024 Mid-tier scrub Joined: Posts: 1,705
    Dural is still the boss? God damn Sega mix that shit up... =__=''
    Yes but previous Dural was Kage's mother, and now this one is a clone of Vanessa.
    Or something.

    God damn Sega fix that shit story up.
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    Show me.



    He does it twice in this vid. AFAIK Akira's bodycheck can do a max of 140.
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