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  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    Naeras wrote: »
    Who counters Elena, though? I genuinely don't know.

    Hard counter? Seth
  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,998 mod
    Of course the counter picks are all the weird ass neutral characters that nobody can just pocket and do well with.

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  • PVL_93_RUPVL_93_RU When's Dragon Ball? Joined: Posts: 11,042
    Naeras wrote: »
    Who counters Elena, though? I genuinely don't know.

    People seem to pick Seth to counter her. Fuudo did against Xian, for example
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  • Doctrine DarkDoctrine Dark Yum Yum Joined: Posts: 7,478
    I heard Sagat counters Elena.
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  • DevilJin 01DevilJin 01 Get some shill in yo system Joined: Posts: 57,998 mod
    Sagat? That's weird.

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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    edited November 2015
    Not really a counter, just a harder to deal with matchup since I don't think she can slide under low tigers, and since her jump is floaty she has to rely on focus dashing and hitting him out of startup. He can juggle EX TU into U1 easier than most characters (more damage and less meter than TU FADC U1) and can punish full screen healing (no knockdown) with either EX TS into U2 or just raw U2.

    However, he still has to deal with her retarded hurtbox (TK is harder to safely space, which means focus is better against him than most characters), and she still has way better damage, normals, mixups, and mobility. She can also absorb TS for free Ultra all day and safely heal full screen if the Sagat picks U1 or has no meter. Her own U1 can be picked to counter mid-range TS and deal good damage from common situations (HK Lynx FADC U1 or EX Lynx into U1 no FADC necessary). She may also be able to st.mk xx cr.HP TC into U1 for no meter, but I'm not sure if it works on him or not.

    Overall I would give slight advantage to Sagat, but some Elena players may consider it a counter since its one of her few disadvantaged matchups.
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    Oh noooo the dreaded 4.5

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  • NecrotrophicNecrotrophic Isn't a communist. Joined: Posts: 5,946
    Naeras wrote: »
    Who counters Elena, though? I genuinely don't know.

    chun if you have ultra 1

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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    Naeras wrote: »
    Who counters Elena, though? I genuinely don't know.

    chun if you have ultra 1

    True, I forgot about that since she gives her the same problems as Sagat, except it's more with her normals and mobility rather than pure projectiles. Chun also has the ability to do real damage in common situations, and since she has better normals she's able to get meter for said combos faster. Is her backdash good against Elena's mixups? I know Sagat basically has to guess correctly or risk a TU, which is one of the reasons why I don't think he beats her that bad.
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    Cammy, Yun, Seth, Guy all do well and what Will Smith said.

    I've been told Chun does also.
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  • bypostmanbypostman Joined: Posts: 2,207
    Sagat just forces Elena to actually try to counter a zoning game without just random slide.
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    Uh, is there no losers bracket for CapCup 2015 or am I just blind?
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    Uh, is there no losers bracket for CapCup 2015 or am I just blind?

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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    Uh, is there no losers bracket for CapCup 2015 or am I just blind?

    It's just not listed in the challonge bracket, because there are only 32 players and everyone starts in winners. During the tourney it will be updated to show who won/lost.
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  • javertjavert 'sup Joined: Posts: 1,294
    edited December 2015
    Just catched the top8. Dhalsim gets stuffed and KO by jumping HK, Smug taunts into overhead, Arturo gets on tilt, then two quick and near perfect rounds. That just made my day.

    Update: the salt is making up for the lack of big games.
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  • PVL_93_RUPVL_93_RU When's Dragon Ball? Joined: Posts: 11,042
    Smug DESTROYED Fillipinoman. It felt so good watching that
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  • ArtVandelayArtVandelay Architect Joined: Posts: 5,609
    Did Smug have some kind of beef with Filipinoman?
    The way he insisted on ending the first game was kind of weird.
    I'd only do that to people I hate.
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  • TheFreshPrinceTheFreshPrince Sold so many chickens think I work for Kroger Joined: Posts: 3,725
    IDK if Filipinoman's style is a good match for Smug, or if Smug just practiced the fuck out of the Rose matchup recently. AFAIK that is considered a good matchup for Rose, and Luffy made Smug look pretty free earlier in the year at Topanga World.
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  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    edited December 2015
    IDK if Filipinoman's style is a good match for Smug, or if Smug just practiced the fuck out of the Rose matchup recently. AFAIK that is considered a good matchup for Rose, and Luffy made Smug look pretty free earlier in the year at Topanga World.

    Its like Dhalsim vs Zangief. If Rose doesn't play perfectly she gets rekd.

    Luffy is a better player than Smug. Character match up in that case was mostly irrelevant. It also appears Luffy did his homework on the match up.
  • MASTER OF DA FISTMASTER OF DA FIST Hail The ILLUMINATI!!!!!! Joined: Posts: 1,129
    Smug is an amazing player and all, but I feel other players let him get away with murder. People let the name get into their head, before the match even starts. Players do not punish ex ducking like they should and not challenging his knock down offense. Look at how Daigo, Kaz, Snake Eyez and Bonchan handle that matchup.
  • ShineboxShinebox Joined: Posts: 2,689
    Smug is an amazing player and all, but I feel other players let him get away with murder. People let the name get into their head, before the match even starts. Players do not punish ex ducking like they should and not challenging his knock down offense. Look at how Daigo, Kaz, Snake Eyez and Bonchan handle that matchup.

    This is actually one thing about Momochi I noticed happens as well, he gets mindfucked by mixup characters relatively easy.. he's gotten beaten by weaker players how many times?


  • Heavy_MentalHeavy_Mental Fueled by caffeine and salt. Joined: Posts: 1,236
    edited December 2015
    Shinebox wrote: »
    IDK if Filipinoman's style is a good match for Smug, or if Smug just practiced the fuck out of the Rose matchup recently. AFAIK that is considered a good matchup for Rose, and Luffy made Smug look pretty free earlier in the year at Topanga World.

    Its like Dhalsim vs Zangief. If Rose doesn't play perfectly she gets rekd.

    Luffy is a better player than Smug. Character match up in that case was mostly irrelevant. It also appears Luffy did his homework on the match up.

    Not true at all. Rose doesn't need to place her pokes and space herself as precisely due to her fast-recovering pokes and mobility, she isn't nearly as helpless on defense as Dhalsim is and she can actually go on the aggressive in this matchup. It's generally smart for Rose to play defensively and zone against Dudley simply because her pokes are so effective, but she can switch gears and rushdown if need be, something Dhalsim could never do against Gief.

    EDIT: Just watched the sets. Filipinoman basically played the matchup terribly. In the first set he gave up a lot of ground to throw full screen fireballs, didn't hold down the neutal enough and spaced his pokes poorly and predictably when he tried to, gave up pressure in situations where Dudley had no meter, and refused to block. Second set was barely worth watching because he was mentally guardbroken and did so much worse, even when he abandoned the fireball game (and rightfully so).

    I didn't see Smug bring out any tech or tactics against FIlipinoman that he didn't use against Luffy, except for FA fishing when Rose had no meter (a no-brainer, really) and EX Short Swing Blow to counter Spiral blockstring, which blew up in Smug's face the one time he tried it because he did it as a read instead of a reaction.

    Character knowledge goes a long way in matchups. Smug gets to play MasterMike and Arturo almost every week, who are solid Roses themselves. MasterMike has gotten the better of Smug a few times, but I wouldn't say he's a stronger Rose than Filipinoman, just more experienced in this MU. It was painfully obvious that Filipinoman doesn't have comparable experience in this MU.
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  • DelayedWakeUpDelayedWakeUp Realest Nigga Joined: Posts: 117
    Smug never gets his credit cuz he's black
    d3v wrote: »
    Well the primary goal when you engage in a footsies battle is to out space your opponent to create an error so you can punish in a way that allows you to continue to press the advantage. Common examples are whiff punish into knockdown for follow up pressure or mix up, whiff punish into super for high damage while also potentially getting pressure and or mix up afterwards as well.
    False.

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  • EmilEmil Joined: Posts: 4,389
    edited January 2016
    Anyone watch Infiltration vs Nemo at the chinese cup? Infiltration went for the hard counterpick and he couldn't get the job done.




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    "Hard counterpick"?
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    KIT top 8 finals

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  • ilitiritilitirit Joined: Posts: 6,398
    edited January 2016
    Great performance by Nuckle Du. The footsies, reads, reactions and adaptation from both players were very entertaining. Really hope that we're going to see matches in SFV where players can express themselves through their characters and overcome bad matchups like this.
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    Hamad way too aggressive. That last match he ran into a million heavy buttons
  • otoriotori RTSD Joined: Posts: 6,184
    edited January 2016
    I'm only watching it now and I already love how Knuckledu goes for a dash throw to punish a blocked EX DP but of course that whiffs due to hitboxes.

    Knuckledu showcasing my SF "no low hitconfirms, no grab range" V defense, just stand block into s.hp whiff punish.
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    ChrisG is on Best of III stating that he mas made an "example of" by being DQed outright for USFIV in KIT, while other players were allowed to hold up the bracket. Also says that he thought he could have made top 8 at the tournament if he wasn't DQed.
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