Emil, post: 7524661, member: 3663 wrote:
I'd say Shadow and normal Labrys too.
Correa, post: 7528779, member: 43806 wrote:
I'd say it's more like:
Nobody's low tier, it's just about who has more favorable matchups. If you think a character's bad (like Hsien-Ko bad), you haven't played a good player using them yet.
You can't ask for well-thought-out changes off day 1, week 1, or mostly even month 1 play...and that's when the game is out and everyone's in the lab.-Mike_ZIf there's anything we do best, it's breaking games and then making everyone suffer with all the cheapness.-PersiaXO
JacopeX, post: 7533068, member: 35158 wrote:
Here are my thoughts on Teddie's match ups:
Vs. Yu Narukami - 5 - 5
Vs. Yosuke Hanamura 4 - 6
Vs. Chie Satonaka 4 - 6
Vs. Yukiko Amagi 6 - 4
Vs. Kanji Tatsumi 6 - 4
Vs. Naoto Shirogane 4.5 - 5.5
Vs. Labrys 5 - 5 (maybe 5.5 - 4.5)
Vs. Shadow Labrys 5.5 - 4.5
Vs. Akihiko Sanada 6 - 4
Vs. Mitsuru Kirijo 4.5 - 5.5 (maybe 5 - 5)
Vs. Aigis 5 - 5
Vs. Elizabeth 5.5 - 4.5 (maybe 6 - 4)
d3v, post: 7538766, member: 9887 wrote:
Fixed the match-up chart, the color codes are now automatically added. Also the upper right triangle now automatically computes their values based on the number entered in the lower left triangle. I'd personally like to thank Mr. Wah from FreeStepDodge who did the conditional formatting and formulas in the DOA5 Matchup chart we're doing for their site (which I just copied and applied here).
EDIT: Color codes have been changed a bit due to Google Docs' limit on the number of conditional formatting rules that can be added.
EDIT2: Goddamit, we need more data. So far, we only have Mitsuru, Teddie and Naoto complete.
Emil, post: 7540979, member: 3663 wrote:
Btw I didn't say to add my matchup numbers to the list, since I was just giving my thoughts and wanted a conversation about it. Needs more discussions. I don't know if Shadow Lab vs. Yosuke/Liz is really that bad, I want to know if I'm doing something wrong. I also don't see enough of these matchups in Japanese play to come to a good conclusion.
JacopeX, post: 7540863, member: 35158 wrote:
I'll continue discussing some match ups with other Teddie players since I see you're updating this. I can be wrong with some of these....but I seriously think Chie is such a pain in the ass match up for Teddie. He can furious action all day (well, not against oki set ups) but his approaches are limited in this match up. Can anyone enlighten me? I can care less if this is a good or bad match up, just want to know what can Teddie do?
I lose against Yu a lot, but I still feel that this match up is pretty even. Whenever I play against Yu players offline, It goes back and forth, and that is when i'm playing a lot better than I am online. It's all based on how fast the player responds to his raging lion pressure and a missed frame trap/block stun with izunagi. It just seems like the match up becomes 7-3 once you're stuck in Yu's pressure game against almost a any character. Its not as bad as Chie's automatic Oki. In the end, I just give this match up 5-5. It really depends on the players.
d3v, post: 7542360, member: 9887 wrote:
I added them because I do agree with the breakdowns you gave. Though for S.Lab I believe one of her problems with the Liz matchup is that Liz can easily hit her persona if she's not careful.
Emil, post: 7542607, member: 3663 wrote:
That's true but for the record, the persona getting hit by maziodyne does not make it lose a persona card(unless it is counterhit). Main "card breaking" moves she has to look out for is 5C (which is the big problem I think), 5B and maybe 2B.
I suppose I missed the fact that if Shadow Labrys gets a knockdown, Liz has a lot of trouble getting out. Liz R-action definitely won't work unless you're napping, 2B won't work against the anti-mash setups. Command grab super could work in some situations, haven't really tested it. Overall though, getting the knockdown is a problem and Elizabeth gets more damage out of her combos than SLab does (though both have bad health).
Narcowski, post: 7543408, member: 17628 wrote:
For the record, the (good) liz players I've seen talking about the s.lab matchup on IRC put it at "even or slightly in s.lab favor".
d3v, post: 7565017, member: 9887 wrote:
Hmm... just checking out the numbers. Chie == Mitsuru?
Celerity, post: 7565038, member: 37636 wrote:
I'm not sure that updating the list every time someone posts a conflicting opinion is the best way to gather accurate data.
Lord Knight, post: 7561594, member: 5897 wrote:
EDIT: you cant tech throws on reaction